Seatbelt Laws Can Be Deadly

I plead the fifth…of a gallon that is.

Slim Dusty(born 1927)
Waltzing Matilda

-a striking itinerant worker killed by 3 pigs is seen to pass by as a ghost.

Troopers: cops or enlisted soldiers
Swagman: a tramp or itinerant worker, travelling from one location to another.
Billabong: A waterhole.
Coolabah Tree: A type of Eucalyptus tree.
Billy: A tin in which he boils water or tea.
Matilda: a bag (swag) for his elongings. Often slung over over his shoulder and
swinging from side to side (waltzing).
Jumbuck: Male sheep.
Tucker: Food.
Squatter: A landowner with no legal claim to the land.
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Overkill – Men at Work (from 1983)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcu7OCIqlqE

I can’t get to sleep. I think about the implications. Of diving in too deep. And possibly the complications. Especially at night. I worry over situations. I know will be alright. Perhaps it’s just imagination.

Day after day it reappears. Night after night my heartbeat, shows the fear.
Ghosts appear and fade away.

Alone between the sheets. Only brings exasperation. It’s time to walk the streets. Smell the desperation. At least there’s pretty lights. And though there’s little variation. It nullifies the night. From overkill.

Day after day it reappears
Night after night my heartbeat, shows the fear
Ghosts appear and fade away
Come back another day

I can’t get to sleep
I think about the implications
Of diving in too deep
And possibly the complications

Especially at night
I worry over situations that
I know will be alright
It’s just overkill

Ghosts appear and fade away…

Yeah, that’s better. So are these Rockabilly gals. Some can also sing and purr. The best ones hum.

Czech Rockabilly Bar & Bistro Gals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei29Grdf_TY

Reno Rockabilly Riot Auto Show Gals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EYHv4Pawqk

What about those of us who just miss the 80s?

It’s something to look at stuff from the 70s and 80s and realize that world doesn’t exist any more. Not like it is just the past and things have moved on…. but that world doesn’t exist any more. Things today (outside of lingering pop culture) is as if that world never was.

In the 1980s the 1950s still seemed quite real, the present was just an extension from then…. but to look thirty years back today and it was an entirely different world. I lack the words to explain it… were we ever like that? Without this crushing paranoia and nannying? With bright colors and sunshine? It looks like fiction now.

“What about those of us who just miss the 80s?”

I can’t supersize with you there, dude. I was real drunk and missed a lot of the ’80s.

I know what you mean, though. To me, the ’70s are like a work of fiction. It’s as though that time couldn’t have been real. To accept my memory of that decade would require that I really look hard at how things are now and try to see how they got to be the way they are.

50’s were funky, neat in lots of ways, very few laws. 60’s were all over the place, Ravi Shankar, hookahs, hot chicks everywhere. I recently had a memory of a friend and I early in the morning listening to Cream playing In-A-Godda-Da-Vida before going out to work cattle…..Yee Hawww!

Eight, y’all must have been drunk. That was Iron Butterfly, not Cream. Cream did “White Room”.

I remember the 50’s, but I was born in ’52 so they’re kid memories. The 60s were, indeed all over the place. Aside from that fake-ass California culture, the late 60s are a good memory to me.

What was exciting to me in the late 60s was the southern music scene. Johhny Winter And, The Allman Brothers, and Leon Russell were great. You could just tune out those fakes from LA, like CSN, the Byrds, mamas&papas… crap.

Ed, Iron Butterfly and Cream were almost one in the same. Cream did that song also although I could have been listening to Iron Butterfly at the time. I see we disagree musically. While I have always been a fan of the groups you mentioned liking, Mama’s and Papa’s were great vocalists. I always liked CSNY but was a hard core fan of the Byrds, people who have roots as deep as it can go, all the way to the Loutin Brothers who wrote and made records of Everly Bros. as well as Emmy Lou, Gram Parsons, etc, etc. You probably let Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen get by you as most did as well as NRBQ. CC had some great music. It doesn’t get any better than Down to Seeds and Stems. All, great music. One thing my wife and I have always regretted is having to get a mortgage and credit cards. Like eric, the only cherry I popped auto-wise was a brand new GSL 1000 Zuk. Everything else was cash and carry.

I would classify Cream as psychedelic blues. Clapton, Baker, and Bruce got together for two sold out concerts in 2005. Both concerts got good reviews. Iron Butterfly, on the other hand, was more heavy metal with some unique nuances.

Cream – White Room
Live At Royal Albert Hall (2005)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJZHWMD6N3k

I’ve fund a new appreciation for the psychedelic sound of the 60’s and give it much credit for the development of the progressive rock of the 70’s.

Bubble Puppy “Hot Smoke & Sassafras”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_otNCZ5T2o

mornin eric, not to whip a dead horse but I got a ticket the day the speed limit changed to 55mph. I was headed to Dallas to get a torque arm for Hendrickson suspension and doing 70mph because it made no sense for it to change that day, thought it was going to change the next day, one of my actual “honest” mistakes. marc, I gave my wife the double DVD of that concert at RAH. She gets it out now and then and we watch it. I keep thinking old Ginger is going to fall over at any time every time I see it.

Yeah, Eight. Musical taste is going to differ even among like-minded people.

C,S&N had one musician onboard: Stephen Stills. Their studiomixes used a group of musicians called the Wrecking Crew, who played for all the fake groups like M&P, the Monkees, the Byrds etc. Glenn Campbell was a guitarist in the Wrecking Crew before becoming a solo artist.

Gram Parsons and Emmylou…Country, deep roots? Nah. Gram was a trust fund baby who admired Spade Cooley. Neither he nor Emmylou do much for me. Hell, anybody can do covers of Charley and Ira’s songs. That doesn’t make Emmylou anything special. I like the real stuff like the Amazing Rhythm Aces.

Seeds&Stems was by Poco from their “Pickin’ Up the Pieces” album, another band from the genre of Flying Burrito Brothers, the Byrds, etc., but they did leave behind some good work.

CCR was an iconic group, pure genius, some of their stuff like “Run Through the Jungle” still sets standards for the term “cookin’ rhythm”.

Not much got by me. Commander Cody was OK, I liked some rockabilly. Bill Kirchen is still at it and plays that tune, Hotrod Lincoln at his live gigs.

NRBQ didn’t get by me, but I shined them on. Not to my taste. Yeah, different strokes, and all that. It’s why they make chocolate AND vanilla ice cream. 😉

Ed, you brought up one of my favs, Amazing Rhythm Aces, got nearly all of their albums. I enjoyed the Alternative Country or Progressive as it was sometimes referred to. I wish you could have gone to the Armadillo World Headquarters with me to see some of them. AATW does a great act with countless great songs of their own. Somewhere, I have the 1960 45rpm record of Hot Rod Lincoln done by Johnny Bond, a great version. I could talk about music all day and be ready to talk about it again the next day. I never worry about having the same ring tone as anyone else….who else would have Hot Rod Lincoln as a ring tone? Most people hearing it these days don’t have a clue. Of course, Bob Wills is still the king from where I sit.

“AATW does a great act ”

Oh, HAIL yayuh. Asleep at the Wheel rocks out, bigtime. Even their name rocks. Rockabilly is still big on the west coast. Remember Jackrabbit Slim?

Stray Cats were the most visible and fairly recent rockabilly group to get much attention, but lots of artists still throw some rockabilly into their CD releases (guess they don’t call’em albums anymore) Like Mickey and the Motorheads and Drive-by Truckers.

The Aces had a great rockabilly tune on their “Chock Full of Country Goodness” CD, titled “Guardian Angel” about a trucker picking up a ghost during a blizzard.

Yep, Bob Wills music still rules the country swing roost.

Eric – I’ll see your Fabulous Thunderbirds and raise you a ZZ Top http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZniMYCZp4

Boothe, wish you coulda been with us in the spring of ’71, Lubbock, Tx. when ZZ came to town. Sweet Baby James was their front, strange combo. They had huge speakers stacked up on stage. When they played they sounded like half the musicians in the country all playing, unbelievable sound that went right through you. I would have been more comfortable without the psychedelics and a cooler of beer but you work with what you have. Ed, ever listen to any Slim Dusty?…a great musician.

Eight – I wish I could have been there too, but I was only 12 at the time. The only big name concert I’ve ever been to was ZZ Top at the Richmond Colliseum back in ’91. Seriously, the only one in my life. My wife took me because she knew how much I liked the band. The Black Crowes opened for Top and I must say they were awful. Their sound system sucked and I was really disappointed…at first. But once the crew tore down the Crowes shitty sound system and Top fired up, that concert was everything I expected and more. I can still clearly recall much of that show 22 years later (probably because my job at the time would have been threatened by my use of herbal enhancements). That experience is one of the best gifts anyone has ever given me.

Boothe, eric, doesn’t matter if it puts a minor kink into a family budget, time doesn’t wait and I’d wish as many good concerts on everyone as could possibly be had. There is one FM station I “could” listen to if they hadn’t worn out all those “classic rock hits” they play. So much more good rock than what is on their lists. I listen to CD’s or just the sound of the road. Every now and then I roll down the drivers window and listen to the exhaust, turbo sound between gears. I drive my wife crazy reaching over to shift gears when I’m already in the highest gear but starting up a grade. When my mind wanders I find myself reaching over for a gearshift in anything, an automatic car, whatever. A friend who was with me a great deal on the road used to ask “need a beer?” and I’d realize I’d been reaching over. He finally quit asking but I can’t quit doing it. Give me a ten speed, or a thirteen speed or a 4X4 or 5X6…I’m happy. No telling how many times I have reached a certain rpm in my pickup and reached over, moved the shifter to the next gear only to realize I didn’t have another.

SLIM DUSTY? HELLLL NO. I AIN’T THAT DAMN OLD.

ahaha.. Just joking. No, I’ve never heard anything by him. I’ll see if there’s anything on amazon by him.

I do like Buddy and Julie Miller, though. Steve Earle, too. That old Utah Phillips song, “Rock Salt and Nails” is on one of the Millers’ albums. I think Buddy and Steve are a couple of communists. I know Utah Phillips was. Still, they’re excellent musicians.

“Rockabilly is still big on the west coast.”

You’d probably like this Youtube page, Ed:

rockabilly hillbilly

Thanks, Iberns1. Youtube is a hell of a source. Ten years ago, I couldn’t imagine being able to just google a few words from a lyric and get several pages of videos that could be streamed free.

Amazin’ times, these.

Whoa! Then the wild man takes her place, “Ever Been Arrested?” You know, the guy with the almost handle bar mustache. Like he’s a step up from the chick with the spock eyebrows? Not that either of them are bad people. [Did they get paid for that? If not, that’s sooo wrong.]

Ok, the trance is undone. … Fuck the Empire!

No problem DS.5->1 0:38 Enough about me, I hope this hasn’t been boring for you. It’s just that whenever I start to talk about Elaine I get so carried away I lose all track of time. Well I could go on for hours, but I’m probably starting to bore you…

Best Clips from the Movie Airplane

“Best Clips from the Movie Airplane”

Ha. Exactly.

http://www.lneilsmith.org/new-cov.html

Possibly, your use of a version of that pledge (my unauthorized improvement – without fancy words and without the awkward we point of view) could be a very important evolution in the world of freedom. Or maybe not so much.

What does your gut tell you?

What, if anything, is proprietary about Ron Paul’s message? Probably very little, truth be told.

Who cares that most of Tesla’s inventions were derivative of European University projects. He being the rare man who read multiple languages, understood cutting edge tech, and had mechanical engineering chops to make physically manifest emerging tech in a low priced mass reproducible process.

So what if the Star Trek episodes were all rehashes of Golden Age of Radio broadcasts?

L. Neil’s work is itself inspired by Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was merely the possessor of the best quill penmanship, certainly not the “sole author” of anything.

Maybe just let the principles percolate and congeal, what’s one more libertarian dithering, wait until they diverge so far as to leave no traces of their origin. Perhaps this waiting is the very essence of Libertarianism itself.

It really is a very good question though:

What is the Bare Minimum principles we need agree to, to live freely?

I can’t think of too many more important questions than the Bare Minimum.

” I don’t want to pour salt in gift horses’ wounds with my take on the festering issue of internet copyright breech ”

Copyright being a government scheme to empower itself while pretending to protect a writer, the festering will boil out on its own soon enough, I think.

My view is that an idea, expressed openly, ceases to be the private property of the one who formulated that idea. I could maintain my ownership of an idea only so long as I kept it to myself.

Of course, someone else could have the same idea and express it themselves, leaving me to fume impotently, if that was in my nature.

I’m not a professional writer, so my view will tend to differ with the views of those who make their living expressing their ideas.

OK, I’ll get off that hobbyhorse of mine now. 😉

Ed, actually our law dates back to when Europeans were sorta free after the Roman empire collapsed. They did have written law hamlet by hamlet that varied according to where you lived. I’m thinking it was in the 1200’s sometime that there was an overall law written for England but local laws were specific to well, locals. Damn Ed. you musta spent more time in Tx. than you allow. You say yall as much as I do although I doubt it takes you five seconds to say it. Try growing up in this part of the world and not have a drawl everybody laughs at. Hell, yall is a three syllable word when we say it. Only 106.6° right now and climbing rapidly. Yall come on down, it’s heatin up. I remember grade school where the alphabet lined the walls of the room. Somebody picked up a g, looked at it for a while and then threw it away.

Ed..: “What agreements did people make when the central government of the USSR collapsed? I don’t remember reading anything about that. Seems to me that when governments collapse nowadays, other governments take their places.”

William Grigg did a good article answering that question…:

Abolish the Police, Arm the Citizens:
The “Sagra Model” of Privatized Security
William N. Grigg
Sunday, September 18, 2011

http://tinyurl.com/Sagra-model

Well that is frustrating. My longer, more comprehensive reply went missing–twice, and my brief reply about a lesser important comment got posted.

I’m not ignoring your other comments, Ed. I just can’t get thru.

Dennis

Eight;

Magna Carta, 1215.

” Somebody picked up a g, looked at it for a while and then threw it away.”

Ahaha, sounds about right. I’m from SC. ‘Y’all’ was our contraction, homegrown, but we let Texans use it because Travis and them brought it down there to y’all.

It was funny when I moved to Longview. The boys I was working with on a masonry crew didn’t think I taked funny. I said something about “where I’m from” and one ol’ boy asked where that was. I said SC and he looked like I had betrayed him. He said, “Shit, I didn’t know you was a yankee”.

He was also shocked when I told him that most of the defenders at the Alamo were from the Carolinas, Tennessee, Louisiana, etc. rather than from Texas. ‘Course I rubbed it in on him and said that the only native born Texans who died in that fight spoke Spanish…..ahaha

Well, Dennis, I found this in the article:
“After the Hammer and Sickle was furled in 1991, the plague of ideological Communism mutated into form of state gangsterism incapable of reproducing itself beyond Russia’s borders. The Party Nomenklatura abandoned the conceit that they were History’s infallible vanguard, and settled into a very comfortable new role as Russia’s crony capitalist oligarchy. ”

Since the central government of the USSR fell, Russia and the other former soviets have established national governments to replace the old one.

The article doesn’t have any reference to the people there signing any covenants, I’m not quite getting your meaning. They did band together as a village and fight off the gangsters, but that was told as though it was simply a spontaneous alliance of neighbors.

Anyway, take your time. I’m not against your decision to sign any covenant you wish. I’m just a little slow. I don’t quite get it.

@Ed:

I think I’ve already told the story of how a native Texan corrected me once…
I was extolling the virtues of “ya’ll” because English lacks a second person plural.

He said “No, ya’ll is singular. All ya’ll is plural.”

Also: much like the Soviet nomenklatura became the new oligarchs…

…so too, we defeated Germany in WWII, but we didn’t defeat Nazism aka national socialism. We just imported it here via Operation Paperclip.

I read Jim Marrs’ Rise of the Fourth Reich last summer…highly recommended.

I believe those forces are being used by the globalist elite to run their program here…just as those same elite use and funded Hitler in the first place.

THIRD attempt to reply—removal of all but first active links
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Clue #1 was in the message to which you replied…: http://tinyurl.com/1000-Dark-Years

Clue #2 was posted above in reply to TOR. I have encountered all your remaining “concerns” at various times in the past and have written articles answering them. As with Clue #1, reading is required. There is no spoon feeding.

h—–/tinyurl—-/Index-to-Covenant-Articles

As with all things, one must be responsible for oneself, in education and all other aspects of life. I have contributed to and collected articles about the Covenant, but I cannot put the information into another person’s mind–and especially not an unreceptive mind. (See comment about “attitude” below.)

The Covenant is NOT for everyone. I even address THAT in one of the articles.

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h—–/tinyurl—-/Security-and-Justice
[2011-04-15] Security and Justice WITHOUT government — article by Dennis Wilson

I answer questions that, taken without thinking can lead to the emotional equivalent of “Oh yes, yes. I can see that we DO NEED government.” However, simple reflection and the connection of some widely known facts can put each of these concerns to rest.

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A slave is a person who waits for someone to come along and free him.

h—–/tinyurl—-/Individual-Sovereignty

There is an old saying that “a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step”. The VERY FIRST STEP on the road to freeing one’s self is ATTITUDE. If a person thinks like a slave, his own servitude is guaranteed. If a person thinks like a free man there are no guarantees, but the first requirement to being free has been accomplished.

When a person realizes the condition of servitude into which most of us are born and unthinkingly live, when that person deliberately chooses to rid himself of his complacent servility and end the dependence and the slavery, that person has taken the first step. Without that attitude change, no journey on the road to freeing one’s self is possible, no individual freedom can ever be achieved.

If you want to BE free, you must do things that MAKE you free.

Dennis Lee Wilson
Signatory: Covenant of Unanimous Consent

Well, Ed. It looks like you get the last word on the subject. My third attempt to post the reply has apparently failed also–even after I removed all but one active link.

I provided 3 active links in my prev postings. Your answers are contained therein.

Dennis

“He said “No, ya’ll is singular. All ya’ll is plural.””

Ahaha. I guess he’s right, in a way. It probably depends on the context. Now some of my acquaintances have said, “All y’all sonofabitches”, which just tangles the plural states aaaaalll up.

Southern speech is comforting to me, no matter which dialect I hear.

“THIRD attempt to reply—removal of all but first active links”

Dennis, maybe if you tried just answering the few questions I asked without linking to your site, we could have a discussion. When a person’s answer to any question is a link to somewhere else, it gets a little tedious for me.

If you’d rather not answer, that’s fine, too, but the snarkiness about “no spoon feeding” isn’t necessary.

What do I know, maybe you haven’t gotten around to working out what y’all might do in the situations I mentioned. That’s ok, too.

No problem.

Dennis, Ed, I read the contract and immediately had a problem…it’s a fuckin contract….. that basically limits me as to what I “might” do instead of being very simple and rewarding everyone for all those things they haven’t done to anyone and their continued exemplary conduct of never having done any wrong(as far as I know). I could go on and on about this subject but it actually suffices to say I have no need of a contract to bind me to anyone or anything(govt. entity, for the main part). In my world you’re simply judged by your actions with me, nothing more.

Ed asked, “Anyway, what do you do when one of your signators gets drunk and fails to hold inviolable some other signator’s relationship of some kind? Do y’all flog his ass or what?”

Maybe it works like it did in the Old West: ostracism, shunning and such?

Have you ever read,

The Culture of Violence in the American West: Myth versus Reality

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo195.html

“Maybe it works like it did in the Old West: ostracism, shunning and such? ”

Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking. In absence of any rulers who use enforcers to assault their hapless subjects, that would be the best alternative I could think of. Naturally, to me, any alternative to being assaulted by the ruler’s goons is better.

I was trying needle Dennis into expanding a little on what the covenant is and isn’t.

“Have you ever read,”….etc.

Yes, I did read that when LRC first carried it. Tom D is a fine historian and I read everything I can get from him. His writing helps when the court-approved version of history makes no sense, which is most of the time.
😉

Ed, your comment was good to read. “needle” pretty much makes me stop thinking you’re one of them.
Thank goodness.

It’s so hard to tell, online or off.
?The Heart of Darkness is everywhere.

Of course everyone can use a little bit of refinement. Self included.

“Of course everyone can use a little bit of refinement.”

True, that. To me, refinement is a necessary and ongoing process of learning. I think that my cognitive function would deteriorate without learning.

I hope that Dennis didn’t take my questioning as an attack. It’s just that when something is presented as a complete concept, it must be open to explanation and examination.

I don’t view any idea as the last word on a subject. If I do, I’m closing my mind to other possibilities.

Dennis may have been thwarted in his responses by the threading style of the siteware here. It does take some getting used to, and I’m not completely used to it yet.

“I hope that Dennis didn’t take my questioning as an attack. It’s just that when something is presented as a complete concept, it must be open to explanation and examination. ”

Of course it was an attack. I’ve seen it all many times before.

The Covenant IS open to explanation and examination, but not in this comment section! I have NO motive or interest in trying to drag or trick anyone into the Covenant. For those seriously interested in something like the Covenant, links are provided. It certainly is NOT for everyone, as I made clear in my article “What IS the Bare Minimum”.

For those who prefer one-liner, “snarky” exchanges on public boards: no thanks. Been there, done that. Got old in the process and have better things to do with the remainder of my life.

Well, Dennis, do you want to discuss it on your site? The problem that presents itself to me is that you want to post a link to something on your site instead of actually discussing it.

I’ve been to your forum and saw long sections of “discussions” which consisted of a post by you followed by several responses from you.

Not to try to intrude upon your conversations with yourself, but you seem to view all humanity other than yourself as vermin or retarded children.

Objectivists who exhibit behavior like yours had me believing for the longest time that objectivism is more a mental disorder than a philosophy. I know better now, of course, but hugely inflated egos do seem to be the norm among objectivists.

I’ve exchanged views with several self identified objectivists who are more reasonable and who are receptive to humor, so I know now that not all objectivists are like you.

Anyone who likes can click on your screen name and visit your site. In the forum is an illustration of what I’m saying.

“Dennis Lee Wilson
Creator of This Site
Administrator
Hero Member”

OK, then. Whatever. I wish you well, no hard feelings, take care, be nice to yourself, and take it easy, but take it.

“That fly never knew what hit it.”

Ahaha. Hey, Eight. How many knots do you have on your head from you niece’s broom handle? ahaha

“he just… went away.” Or maybe he just…..changed his screen name.

meth, the very reason I posted it. Someone could have said those very words just yesterday for the first time and they would be right on. Striving for a libertarian goal has always been man’s highest quest in my estimation.

Boothe, you probably noticed they’re(US treasury)trying to nix the penny and find a cheaper material for nickels. If someone told you a currency was worth more as metal than coin you might get some fancy ideas….

Yeah, Eight you’ve nailed it. Seems like Rawls over at survivalblog has suggested stockpiling nickels as one low cost hedge against inflation more than once. The PTB may recall / revalue the paper money, but they probably won’t mess with the tokens…errr…”coins.” One poster noted that .30 cal. ammo cans full of nickels make a pretty good defensive shield stacked inside the walls of a room too. Just don’t plan on grabbing your nest egg and running off with it if you have to flee…unless you have a deuce and a half to load it on.

Given the recent things going on in the precious metals, which are way down for no good reason since there has been no fundamental changes, I am wondering if nickels aren’t the better option.

1) No loss in numerical dollars.
2) upside of being a physical asset.

Downside is of course storage for any significant amount.

Thank you for clarifying.
When there’s no difference between criminals and LEOs, maybe we have a broken system. 😉

I was pulled over by two Arresterfield county porkers one night because one of them saw me drinking an O’Douls.

He asked if I had been drinking and I handed him the bottle. He read it carefully, then said that it had 5% alcohol. His backup told him it said .5%, not 5%.

They went looking for another victim, but if I was tested, their test could show .08 easily, since that’s within the parameter of error for their blowtube outfits. Funny how that might work out, since I haven’t had a drink since August of ’84.

Guess we’re all felons nowadays.

Throughout Australia, some states used to have 0.08 and others were 0.05. They’re all 0.05 now, which makes me believe that if not for bullshit lobbying by pressure groups, including the greater ease in which to convict and fine someone, there was nothing wrong with 0.08 to begin with.

Learner drivers here have “L” plates and require a licensed passenger as instructor – both with 0.00 BAC.

Probationary drivers have “P” plates, red ones for first year and green ones for final year. 0.00 BAC is the limit, including limited number of passengers for both years too! What a nanny country we have here.

It’s pretty stupid, seeing that many foods, such as sauerkraut contain small amounts of alcohol, it can make life pretty confusing.

The laws on BAC are too wide a brush really, considering someone who never drinks, being at 0.05 might not even be able to walk – let alone get the keys into the ignition, whereas it might take a whole 0.30 for a seasoned drinker to have the same effect.

One thing we don’t have here is your “sobriety test” of nose-touching and walking a straight line. We have the roadside handheld breatho as an indicator, then if that indicates, there’s what we call the “booze bus” parked on the side of the road that has a desk-mounted machine.

The general booze bus stop has cops everywhere, cones etc. Their buddies in the background will do all sorta checks on your plate while you puff away. There’s a reason they’re affectionately called pigs.

Cop shops (police stations) also have the desk machine, which is where they take you if there’s no booze bus around. A refusal at ANY stage through this process will virtually reflect a hanging offence in court, whether blowing positive or not.

They also have the option of blood sampling, but apparently not over the hood of a cruiser – yet. Hospitals only so far.

REV, yall just haven’t caught up to Tx. yet. We can be tested anytime, anywhere by a pig with a rig. Yep, passed that years ago, don’t say you want a blood test and don’t say when they hold you down they can’t take a blood sample. They can in this state,but not if I get their gun.

“but not if I get their gun”

Heh. I only wish it were that simple Eight. No, really I do. Here we’ve also fallen victim to the breatho on every stop beginning years ago, regardless of suspicion. It’s just another way they can intervene (against S.92 of OUR constitution) in our daily lives in order to find ANYTHING they can to exert their supposed authority granted to them only by cowering clovers and faceless control freaks in gubberment.

REV, hope you didn’t think I was being facetious. Tx. DPS can blood test you THEMSELVES against you will. A great bunch of cases in court, judges putting them off as long as they can. Like I said, they’ll have to knock my ass out to have a pig stick a needle in my arm. I’m old, ready to go so to speak.

REV, while it’s not legal simply to test you for alcohol here…yet, they only have to say “I smelled alcohol” and the chase is on. It’s not like they don’t do it every stop either but they have to lie which is almost worst since now lying is just de rigueur.

Ed said:

I was pulled over by two Arresterfield county porkers one night because one of them saw me drinking an O’Douls.

He asked if I had been drinking and I handed him the bottle. He read it carefully, then said that it had 5% alcohol. His backup told him it said .5%, not 5%.

Leave to a porktard not to know the difference between an integer and a fraction, even simplified decimal form.

“Leave to a porktard not to know the difference between an integer and a fraction, even simplified decimal form.”

Liberranter, if they knew anything much, they wouldn’t be porktards. 😉

It’s bad enough that they don’t know anything, but these assholes don’t even SUSPECT anything. That’s probably how they fail to make basic connections in logic, such as ‘ yes, this guy is running, but it isn’t necessary to run over him with my car’.

Maybe it’s why cops aren’t brought to trial when they commit a little faux pas such as deliberately running over someone who is on foot. They aren’t mentally competent to stand trial, and have no concept of the difference between right and wrong.

Ed, speaking of families exercising their own power of Americans for over 200 years yesterday it was the Marshall’s I was specifically thinking of. Although Marshall is no longer the name of the family they are still their descendants who make contrary law to this very day.

Excuse me, didn’t mean to use incorrect grammar, I Are one.

Yep, I read that a person tested with the blowtube at .08 passed the blood gas chromatograph at.00 It’s like their radar guns that read a hill at 24mph, in the old Whistler radar detector ad.

There are stretches of I85 in Virginia with signs that read “Speed Checked by Aircraft”. I suppose that means they’ve had drones patrolling that highway since the late ’70s which is when those signs went up.

The system is rigged for control, yes, but also for revenue. It has expanded to the point that it’s just impossible to fight it. It’s also a full employment program for lawyers, who don’t actually contest the charge against you, they make a deal so that you pay them instead of the court.

As the character in the film “Little Big Man” said, “Sometimes, this world is just too ridickluss to live in”.

Heh. “I are one”.

That’s a pretty good defense right there Eight. If they can’t be open and honest with the technology, it more than likely doesn’t conform to numerous measurement, trade practices and other specific Acts and laws. That detail should also be in the patent.

If the manufacturer cannot explain how it works and the entire thing’s a secret, the device can’t be trusted and therefore the evidence is inadmissible. That’s just ONE way I’d consider arguing.

Imagine you building one on your kitchen bench and using it against your neighbour. The judge would laugh you out of court if you refused to disclose its units of measurement and internal workings, let alone any perceived authority to use it.

If the device doesn’t conform to certain laws, the authority to use it is also null and void.

REV, that’s the whole point. The courts have already ruled in the favor of non-disclosure. You can’t beat a deal like that. No, no one has yet taken a Tx. DWI to the Supreme Court for one reason, they won’t hear it. Sure, the shit they pull is not legal in any court of the people, just the courts in Tx. It’s a great deal like when an appeal judge upheld the ruling that if any part of a plate here is not visible, the little cotton bowl, the pump jack, the judges dick, you can be stopped and then anything can happen after that stop. I had a friend whose 16 yr. old daughter was stopped by a paedophile DPS, stopping every single girl he found in a few towns. He used the old “your license plate light is out” routine, typical for here. She got out after he’d try to seduce her and intimidate her and looked at the license plate lamp. Sure, it was on as had been all the other little girl’s plates since their daddies didn’t want to get stopped on a BS charge. She told her dad, That light was working to which he replied, Now, you’re catching on. That DPS by the way was narrowly saved by fortune, just didn’t happen to be around when a couple dozen dads all came to the court house at the same time and filed complaints against the perv. The state rescued his ass and sent him elsewhere, to ply on other little girls.

Ed;

“Yep, I read that a person tested with the blowtube at .08 passed the blood gas chromatograph at.00 It’s like their radar guns that read a hill at 24mph, in the old Whistler radar detector ad.”

Exactly. If the device can’t measure accurately every single time it doesn’t conform to any standard of measurement and therefore is inadmissible.

Notice the fruit scales in the supermarket even require a certification number clearly marked on the unit so it can be read.

Here in Oz, the number is NSC XX/XXX.XX or similar. It’s certified by the National Standards Commission under the National Measurement Act.

Even our household electric/water/gas meters have NMI XXXXXXXXXX, being certified by the National Measurement Institute.

If the device doesn’t have these tracking numbers, it’s unlawful to use for trade or revenue – in effect – “fines”.

I’ve got out of quite a few speeding/parking/red light cam fines over the years but NONE of these devices conform to our National Measurement Act, because they don’t have the NSC number, BECAUSE they are too inaccurate to receive one.

I even have a reply email from Dr Richard Brittain, Senior Legal Metrology Policy Officer, Legal Metrology Branch, National Measurement Institute in Feb 2011:

“There are currently no pattern approved vehicle speed measuring instruments in Australia”

Notably, if you get a camera fine of any sort, you have the right to cross-examine your accuser – the informant. If you demand that right (make SURE you do), the case will most likely be dismissed because the cam is the actual informant and obviously can’t be cross-examined. usually always works for me.

Ed, the first time I was ever in Virginia I was hauling a Uhaul with an Old 98. The drivers on the interstate starting going bonkers and talking trash about my Whistler on the dash. Yeah, big fucking Texas thinks he can come here and do whatever he likes. I never heard the like of crap. I was truly astonished people could be such dicks. We had a 2,000 watt bi-directional amp and my buddy grabbed the mike and held it for about 2 minutes. When he let off, it was complete silence, silence like I hadn’t heard on the air since the 60’s and finally one guy says What was that? and then another says I don’t know. It stayed quiet for a good while. We stopped and got a tribe size box of Kleenex, took the Kleenex out, put the Whistler in the box with holes cut out on the front and went on our way. What the hell is it with Virginians? I couldn’t believe anyone even looked at our plates, just a typical brown ’98 with a U haul, who’da thunk it? I can promise you nobody with Virginia plates ever got raked over the coals in Tx. like that. Of course, it was another state then. I notice I’m the only one on the road flashing lights at people for radar ahead, and giving them the hand sign. And what’s with that? Everybody now is braindead.

“Sure, the shit they pull is not legal in any court of the people, just the courts in Tx.”

I know Eight, they make it up as they go along. It’s corruption filtering down from the highest level for control and revenue.

Still, the device should be duly certified, if not they run the risk of losing the case. If need be, I just start by poking a little hole in their prosecution, something they can’t answer, then go the full assault with everything else they can’t answer. Love to watch them squirm.

Your laws might differ somewhat from here. One thing I noticed is the laws differing a VAST amount between states in the US. We have only minor anomalies, however we have the law that states:

“If a law of a State differs from that of a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid.”

At least we have a good chance here, but it sounds like you guys are fuckered unless you can appeal such things like we can.

“The drivers on the interstate starting going bonkers and talking trash about my Whistler on the dash.”

Arseholes! As Seinfeld says: “Who ARE these people!?”.

I like the way ya got ’em back. I did a similar thing back in the 80’s when I found a coupla “mates” (so much for that) talking trash about me on the air. I mean, shit.. did they think I was outta range or somethin’?

Anyway, the world has changed, largely not for the better.

Ed, not sure if you are joking or not, but back in the 70s and I think it’s fairly rare now… they’d get some cop up in a small plane and he would use a stop watch to time a car between sets of lines painted on the road below.

Don’t know (no, as clover would say)why I’m not getting Ed’s posts. Only thing I can think of in this state that has actually stood up in court is timing from the air. Ticketing someone from hearsay, I.E, a plane or some other LEO that witnessed it but didn’t stop to deliver the ticket doesn’t fly here. No one can be ticketed on hearsay evidence. One reason is because speed limits here are not law, they are merely suggestions by Tx. law so that going faster is not necessarily a crime. If more people knew that, they’d probably change the laws. It does allow one to get a lawyer(pay through the nose)and get out of it though, a fairly big deal with state mandated insurance, a down in the dirt low blow dirty dealing law unto itself. On the other hand, everyone in this state is subject to getting stopped for speeding, even the judges although they won’t get charged with anything. But even they know how far it is to get anywhere. I had someone tell me I should go get a source that wasn’t a drug to clear up a problem I was having. What they don’t realize is the closest place I can even hope to get something like that is a 120 mile trip. Run down to the store, yeah, I’ll be back in a few hours. And we do that, but not for one item. Other states, Yeah, we had to drive all the way across town to see that doctor, Here, yeah, we had to drive to Houston to see that doctor, 500 miles one way.

” What the hell is it with Virginians?”

It goes back to the end of Lincoln’s war. Virginia was the first state to get out from under military occupation, and the first to recover, economically, from the war, though most of the war destruction was in Virginia. Former Confederate politicians became scalawag republicans.

The old folks in SC referred to Va as the scalawag state. For those who don’t know the definition of scalawag, it was a term used during “reconstruction” to describe a former Confederate who went over to the military occupation side, run by the radical republicans.

A scalawag was lower than a carpetbagger, and Virginia was the land of the scalawag. State government corruption is so solidly entrenched that there’s nothing for Virginians to do about it, but clank their fuckin’ chains, you know? It’s a point of pride with many of them.

“Ed, not sure if you are joking ”

Sorry to report, I am not EVEN joking. The signs start at Petersburg on I85 and are posted here and there all the way to the NC line.

As those of us my age say, “I shit you not”.

I meant about the drone part… the aircraft part is a simple thing like I described… it’s rarely done where I live now if at all.

Hi Brent;

“..they’d get some cop up in a small plane and he would use a stop watch to time a car between sets of lines..”

Yeh, they did that here in Oz as well, long before radar. It’s been discontinued since radar came in because:

1. it was too easy to challenge and thwart, because it’s hearsay – even when the cop down the road was radioed by the plane and pulled you up to write love letters and, if you saw a white line you’d just slow down for a few k’s until you passed the sniggering Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane waiting in the weeds.

2. It was too expensive to justify. The bottom line of revenue mattered more and the advent of radar saved their sorry arses.

We still have signs (Warning – aerial speed checks conducted in this area) and lines painted on the roads 500 metres apart in country areas just to try and scare us, but it’s well and truly over since more than a decade ago and that’s about the last time I heard the threat on the news they were going to implement it for Easter or Chrissy or somethin’.

Ed, ok, I won’t debate a point I don’t understand. It would seem Virginians oughta be of like mind with Texans, both abused by the same overlords. The reason Texans were so independent is that you have to be. Revenooers were rare here. They knew most never returned and even didn’t get their pay, had to be a reason and there was, they were dead for the most part, at least, those who didn’t do a 180 after being here a bit. That was often the case, doing what they were supposed to stop, paid a lot better and no one to stop you since nobody cared and it was a long way from DC. I hate to interject logic in one of these things that date from the war of aggression but you’d think the two states peoples would be of like mind. Both got screwed by everything Lincoln.

“I meant about the drone part”

Yes, the drone reference was sarcasm. The existence of the signs is what I meant was no joke.

The first time I saw one of those signs I laughed and said “yeah, riiiight”.

” It would seem Virginians oughta be of like mind with Texans, both abused by the same overlords.”

Yeah, Eight. So it would seem. You have to remember, though, that Virginia gave us chief justice John Marshall, the supreme state power loving asshole of the founders’ generation.

Virginia is ruled by the northern counties around DC which are home to almost no Virginians. DC infects Virginia like a pox, for which the cure would kill the patient.

Virginia is so heavily infested by federal employees, mostly retired federal employees, that anything the state government bureaucrats want to do can be lobbied for by the federal tit addicts. That lobbying gives the legislature the pretext for any insane law that can be dreamed up to further state interests.

Still, I love living here, because of the fact that there is a hard core remnant of decent old fashioned people whom I would miss terribly if I moved back home to SC.

This is the “land of ticks and chiggers” that killed more bluecoats with miserable fever than the Army Of Northern Virginia managed with shot and shell. Yankees are despised and shunned here, more so than in any other Southern state.

It’s still the cradle of liberty, though too many have forgotten that fact.

You can’t beat a deal like that.

Eight, the only way to beat that deal is to force the court for a jury trial. Personally, I would not let one man have judgement over me. I would not even give them authority when the judge asks how do I plead, guilty or not guilty. My answer would be, “I’m here specially, your honor, not generally. How can I help you?” Don’t let the judge try and trick you into saying anything else. If he tries to trick you, respond, “I don’t understand your question, your honor. I’m here specially, not generally. How can I help you?” When you appear generally, you are giving one man authority over your body. Stick to your guns about appearing specially will force the judge to either dismiss or have a date set for jury trial. Any other action from the judge will place the judge on judicial notice and you can tell him that, “I hereby place you on judicial notice.” They can try to play the game that traffic offenses are infractions and are not civil or criminal but the law is clear – if the cost is more than $20… One other point. If you are going to do this, stack the courtroom with your friends and have them take out notebooks and write. It doesn’t matter what they write – it will freak out the judge and, hopefully, make him mind his p’s and q’s.

“the case will most likely be dismissed because the cam is the actual informant and obviously can’t be cross-examined. usually always works for me.”

Glad it works that way there, but in the USA, we have this tyranny called “administrative law”. It’s a whole body of case law established by bureaucracies in administrative law courts. Basically, what it does is to erect a barrier to defense against any offense not actually deemed a crime, but instead, a violation of some regulation.

Becky Akers does a good job of exposing it here:

http://lewrockwell.com/akers/akers170.html

I used to do business with a great old coin dealer who had a huge inventory of ancient and medieval coins. I stopped buying from him when I found out he was a retired administrative law judge.

DownshiftFast5to1: the word you’re looking for is “covet.”

Wow, I thought Texans were smarter than that…

Texans are no longer Texans. After the huge influx started with RR and continued unabated for decades, Texan only means something to those who had family here from way back. Of course million of the current “Texans” wouldn’t walk out into my pasture. It’s probably “icky” out there or just plain dangerous and why would they want to leave the mall? It’s the largest “Nanny” state in the union. I would have gone to Alaska decades ago if they could just warm it up a bit. I can take 110° heat but not -60°.

God, the whole country’s gone to hell. I’d go to Alaska, too, if it were warmer. And, then, we’d have to share it with all the morons from California and Mexico, etc…

Slave, when I was young half the people you knew you only recognized when they were on their horse. The women were all so good looking it made your teeth hurt. Fat girls? What fat girls?

Eightsouthman – what part of Texas are you in? I’m south-west of Austin in Hays county. Come for the open spaces, stay for the scorpions and centipedes (and rattlesnakes and tarantulas and fire ants and …).

michael, I’m about 60M NW of Abilene. I used to live in Cedar Park. I swear there were more rattlers there than here. One dog bit Twice. That’s some rough country where you live. Having said that though, we have plenty of it all plus more wild hogs than you can shake a stick at. Saw a big Tom out in the grass patch this morning doing a little reconnaissance. Not hot there is it? We’re forecast to be over 100° Friday, can’t wait. I shouldn’t complain. This is the first “spring” we’ve had in years.

Eightsouthman – I’ve been through Abiline a few times on the way to Mexico – lots of “leave me alone” space. I wouldn’t mind moving there but not many engineering jobs (other than energy I’d guess).

I looked in the Cedar Park/Leander area before moving to Dripping Springs – they wanted too much there for what you get. I’ve only seen one snake here, and that was before I got the bush hog to cut back the weeds/grass.

The lower 2/3 of my property is pretty good soil as it’s at the bottom of a valley with a dry run. I can dig down 2+ feet without hitting rock. The upper part is very rocky though.

Got a good rain this morning – supposed to stay in the 80s. We hit 90 a couple times, I don’t see 100 in the forecast yet….

This is just “anecdotal evidence,” but there is a much higher percentage of smokers in Lebanon than the US, with a much lower percentage of lung cancer. The difference? They grow their own tobacco. They are not smoking commercial cigarettes with tons of chemical additives.

It’s not just about the numbers, Eightsouthman. Doctors and technocrats say people die from this or that, but do they really know the true cause? Consider this from the link below:

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

(Marcia Angell, MD, The New York Review of Books, January 15, 2009)

Morning Eric. Well, in that case I may have a story for you and everyone. I’ve been checking on this over the last couple of years.

Some things I read on the net now in places about this story are completely wrong, inspired by a mindset created by the media more than anything else without any evidence.

It’s a long read, but it led Australia down the dark path of weapon bans never before seen – with barely a whimper from most of us. Once you read this, it may only further deepen your disgust of the way your country’s being mis-handled, and where the infants at the very top want it to go.

It would be good to do a decent post on this as it highlights all the things we and on many other sites concerning freedom, now understand. The spelling and punctuation aren’t fantastic, but it’s highly readable:

http://www.truthology.org.au/index.php/resources/port-arthur-australia-false-flag-attack

Just a footnote, I’m not particularly into conspiracy theories as I prefer evidence over hearsay and innuendo, but this reflects much of what I’ve researched about the case. Enjoy – sorta.

I know, Eric. I feel.every micron of your pain and frustration
On some days I find I just have to back away from thevblogosphere because what I read so enrages me that I’m afraid I’ll stroke out. To see the depths of sheer stupidity to which this country has descendef is enough to move me to tears.

Lib, obviously you’re just “mean-spirited” as an old classmate from TTU said of a mutual friend turned libertarian. Strange that she’s from Md. but moved to Austin immediately after college and has been there over 40 years. Why not go back to beantown and be with like minded brethren? Oh, I know why, just forgot for a moment, everybody from beantown got sick of the crap and being robbed and moved to Tx. where they have tried to emulate yankee laws here….and have done pretty damned good. If Tx. ever gets nuked it won’t be from terrorists but from people who want the Capitol back.

Well spake. The law has no business protecting us from ourselves. If we elect to be fat, out of shape, to drive without seatbelts, that should be our affair, and ours alone. It may be stupid, but half the country votes Democrat, and we don’t attempt to penalize them.

” It may be stupid, but half the country votes Democrat, and we don’t attempt to penalize them.”

You’re right, John. Also, a good portion of the other half vote republican and we don’t penalize them either. The remnant, apparently, doesn’t vote. The rest should applaud the remnant.

Not voting is better than voting for idiocy, but there’s still the Libertarian Party. And if that’s not good enough (And admittedly, Gary Johnson was NOT my favorite either) there’s always a write-in for Ron Paul…

Not voting almost seems nihilistic to me. With reservations, I’m going to be supporting Rand Paul in 2016. If he isn’t the GOP candidate, or if he gets completely corrupted by Washington, I’ll be voting LP, or if its like 2008, I’d vote for the Constitution Party (Bob Barr really, really sucked, Chuck Baldwin was better that year.)

“Not voting is better than voting for idiocy, but there’s still the Libertarian Party.”

Maybe you’re young and don’t know yet about the LP. The LP doesn’t intend to win any elections. They just want their “teaching moment”. Mainly, though, they want the money they can raise from the people they fool, just like the two main parties.

“there’s always a write-in for Ron Paul…”

Oh yeah. Didn’t you notice ol’ Ron’s last two campaigns? They were carbon copies of his earliest presidential campaign with the LP, all three were “teaching moment” campaigns . His campaign staff had to work their asses off to throw the primary to Mitt. Remember that they effectively withdrew him from the campaign, while he kept touring and claiming that he was still in the race….. C’mon.

“I’m going to be supporting Rand Paul in 2016.”

Well, shit. OK, thanks for illustrating my point about voters. I agree with Clyde Wilson, who said that while voting may not actually be an evil act, it’s still an act of general cluelessness, like chewing gum.

Enjoy your voting adventures, but I won’t be joining you.

No, we should ban water. Liberals who love an always-growing Nanny State would love that solution, since they love nature and hate humanity. We should do away with their water first and see how that works out for them.

The fact is that there are plenty of idotic laws. I for one, believe that if people don’t wear seatbelts, helmets etc….that they shouldn’t have to. If they are harmed or die as a result then they will not have any input to the gene pool….survival of the fittest and smartest is the best way to go….people engaging in risky, life-threatening behavior would probably fade out over time, as they would no longer be around. On the other hand some laws make more sense than others. I don’t know about there, but here in Texas, fleeing from a police officer is a felony, so if it is the same there then I have to surmise he would not be dead if he had not broken the law….

Eric,

Old Hickory Switch is not just a control freak. In fact, the rhetoric and the pseudonym imply a stereotypical jurisprude who has a craving to live vicariously through uniformed people who, in turn, enjoy an appearance of legality that protects them from nearly all prosecution for bad behavior. What a malevolent little coward.

It’s tempting to assume that our malevolent coward is a rightwinger, but rigtwingers have no monopoly on jurisprudishness, not to mention on the aforementioned character flaws. In fact, in March or April of 2010 I heard basically the same sentiment about the law, so called, expressed by a progressive who sneered on WCPT radio about hostility to the central government in general and to Obama in particular. WCPT is “Chicago’s Progressive Talk”. Both the host and the guest had a good laugh about it.

If he is baiting us then he is a master of his craft. A master.. Err… Baiter.

Let’s not “gay” bait now, which does harm people. Solidarity.

It is a happy little icon isn’t it; As for your bigotry it’s not so pretty or happy. He has a view that differs from yours so he becomes a less valid individual? The breadth,length, and (most especially) the depth (or lack thereof) of your thinking becomes more apparent as I read. You look to others to agree with you, your opinions do not stand well alone? Like the schoolyard bully glancing around to make sure others agree before going farther into his schtick,

While I think Old Hickory Switch’s attitude is indicative of a sheeple, I believe he has the right to voice it. Yes you have the right to disagree and voice that opinion but tact and good manners would suggest that insults toward him should at least insult him and not shotgun blast others. If your vocabulary and grammatical skills are not up to the task I suggest the local community college is an excellent place to improve them.

In some states the seat-belt infraction is not a valid reason to initiate a traffic stop. Has anyone questioned Florida law? Did You? Have you done anything constructive to this case or are you just out from under the bridge for the day? (see an insult to you. not the homosexual community at large as if being homosexual is something bad,or makes you less intelligent.)
I personally think seat-belt, helmet and other types of laws are over reaching. However, I think Pennsylvania has the right idea in having a person sign a waiver to absolve the state from any responsibility to pay for your ongoing medical care should you not die as a result of your choice to not use safety equipment usage. Why should I pay for your choices?

I find it strangely convenient that the state police are “having difficulty” downloading the video involved. I find myself wondering how the man had time to get out and run but the officer did not have time to stop. It will likely the officer tried to knock Mr Brown down with his car and screwed up. I feel there are many questions that need to be answered about this incident but I have no need to distract people from them by ‘trolling’ other users.

That’s just where we’re headed, of course.

Too bad so many people can’t see it coming.

“Brown didn’t “die.” He was executed by a psychopathic out-of-control brute dressed as a cop.”

I agree. This was a murder, committed in high spirits by a shameless asshole who never once considered what he was doing anything but fun.

“those laws say hitting someone with your car is a worse offense than not wearing a seatbelt.”

Exactly correct. Even if the departed was running with a kilo of heroin under his arm, and had a record like a phone book, he was still murdered.

The cops don’t get to kill us for their own amusement. That’s exactly what it appears that the cop driving the car did.

What a joke Terry. I had to laugh at the video. It talked about indoctrination in our schools stating at the age of 5. Explain that one! How about the indoctrination of your libertarian views! Pretty strong evidence that it is happening! The only problem is that your libertarian views includes hurting others and then just call it libertarian rights. Speeding is OK, reckless driving is OK, road rage is OK, evading the police is OK and it goes on and on. Your rights as you call them kills and injures others daily. It also causes loss of property owned by others. Do you call that a good indoctrination? I always hear that libertarianism means you have the right to do anything as long as it does not hurt others. Everything I have heard of libertarian rights are things that hurt others daily!

Indubitably clover, I’m sure Libertarians’ “do what you want until it harms others” definition isn’t what most people would think it means. After all, look at their view on insurance – they don’t see why they should have to prepare to pay any restitution if they could have their way.

Gill,
the people who have hit one of my cars, but they did not have insurance have a much better track record of paying for the damages than the ones with insurance companies handling it.

“But the real criminals won’t pay restitution any hence I don’t have to prepare for the occasion when I will have more restitution owing than I can pay.”

Eric, I have no problem with you saying you do not need insurance. With that said can we send the bill to you for the deadbeat person that only has a couple of hundred dollars to his name but he caused 10s of thousands in damages? Yes you can throw the guy in jail if he does not pay but that is not compensating me for the loss.

I pay for uninsured motorists coverage on my insurance policy. Would you be willing to pay me the extra couple of hundred dollars a year it would cost me if my state threw out mandatory insurance? That would cause thousands of people to not be able to pay liabilities?

I am not sure how insurance got into the discussion on how you like criminals to be able to run from the police but it happened some how.

Tell us Eric, where is it in the constitution that says you can drive your car or truck on our roadways? Driving a car is a privilege and when you have a privilege you need to show that you are a responsible person that we should let you on the roadway driving 80 mph or whatever with other people.

“With that said can we send the bill to you for the deadbeat person that only has a couple of hundred dollars to his name but he caused 10s of thousands in damages?”

Um, Clover, that is EXACTLY what insurance is. Forcing those who have done no harm to cover for those who have.With the insurance companies siphoning off a major portion of course.

God you are thick.

Clover, how is someone who has “only has a couple of hundred dollars to his name” going to purchase insurance? He isn’t. He will take his chances of not getting a ticket for not having insurance. He’ll play all sorts of games not to pay it because things like food and rent are more important. So he won’t have insurance just because he’s too poor to afford it.

If he’s an irresponsible dead beat then he’ll still be one with your law. The mandatory insurance law doesn’t stop it.

Your law did nothing wrt responsible people but restrict their choices and enrich the insurance cartel. It didn’t do a think with regards to the problem you claim it is to solve.

Furthermore, just because someone has insurance doesn’t mean that insurance company pays out. A common thing for people to do is get minimum insurance from an insurance company that doesn’t pay claims. Why? It’s cheap and it complies with the law. Never mind that to anyone this person runs into that insurance is as good as no insurance.

This law only burdens the people who weren’t a problem in the first place, like most laws.

BrentP, my wife used to work at an insurance agency. She said a large part of policies they sold had one month paid for a card. That left 5 months coverage they didn’t have to pay for and not get a ticket. I can understand it, been mighty broke before myself and NOT driving wasn’t an option. I have always managed to have insurance and generally had ‘uninsured’ motorist added for a few dollars. The problem with that is trying to collect on it. Insurance companies are for the most part, legalized stealing.

” Insurance companies are for the most part, legalized stealing.”

Sho’ is, Eight. Insurance companies do what lawyers call ‘post-claim underwriting’. That’s a way of rewriting their coverage once a claim is made.

Also, insurance companies can estimate what it will take to settle a claim and put that money into an interest bearing account which is exempt from taxes because it’s listed as a loss because it’s for settlement of a claim. They stall the payment process for as long as possible to maximize the interest they gain.

When a person defrauds and insurance company, it’s a felony called “insurance fraud”, a criminal charge, punishable by jail time.

When an insurance company defrauds an individual, it’s called “bad faith” and is actionable only in civil court, and often only in small claims court.

They have access to the system. We don’t.

I believe it is generally accepted as fact that every time a Clover takes a dump, his IQ drops by at least 50%

Z,

The core issue here is whether the law empowering cops to pull a person over for the non-crime of not wearing a seatbelt is legitimate.

Nothing more.

The cops had no right to bother the man. Legal authority, yes. But that is something entirely different.

Have you ever asked yourself how it came about that we have police forces? Why they demand our obedience as if we are children?

Most people don’t ask these questions. They simply accept it as the way things are.

I asked and found the answer. For the USA it is because some wealthy individuals decided they could create utopia if they could only ‘guide’ people to it. Their first attempts were private. People worked for their companies had to live by their rules. The trouble is it didn’t work, people didn’t like it, and narrowed labor available to them. So they had to move on.

What they moved on to was government. And thus we now have armed costumed men telling us to wear our seat belts. Throwing people in prison for possessing substances they don’t approve of. For doing a lot of things that were once the rules of the company town.

The odd thing is that through government people accept what they previously rejected. Perhaps it is because those wealthy few also created the government schools to condition people as children to accept it.

Then there is the ‘training’ cops get. Makes them paranoid. 99 times out of a 100 the guy running is scared of cops.

“…when the laws of Florida dictated he should.”

And there it is; you nicely summarize in one word the difference between lawful and legal.

As for your objections to the treatment of shill “Ol’ Hickory Switch”–perhaps you haven’t read the original polite rebuttals…until he became even more abusive than his initial post.

You seem eager to lick boots.

Z a basic premise of American law is that the individual is innocent until proven guilty. The fundamental concept of “crime” is that someone has demonstrably injured someone else. Not wearing a seatbelt while driving, whether you believe it to be a foolish act or not, does not constitute a crime. Barring a valid reason to believe one has done his fellow being(s) an actual injury the police have no mandate to interfere with the travels of a free person, Florida or any other laws notwithstanding. In fact, they have always been prevented from doing
so until recently.

As you should be able to see, the “if it will save just one life” mentality (foisted upon us by the group responsible for the termination of millions of lives – government of course) resulted in the unnecessary loss of a life. The testimony of witnesses in this case indicate that the police officer ran this man down with his car. That is vehicular homicide. It would undoubtedly qualify as second degree murder if you had done it, regardless of the victim’s rap sheet. And if your assertion that the police didn’t know who this man was is true, that makes this non-judicial termination that much worse from a human rights standpoint: “We suspect you may have done something because you ran, so we’ll preemptively kill you.” What a *wonderful* way to manage crime.

So you apparenlty believe that the police (a) did not know who this man was, and (b) they were therefore justified in assuming this man was the worst of the worst. So somehow they were within their rights to use whatever force was necessary to stop him from committing the non-crime of running. That’s kind of like finding fault with the rabbit from running from the coyote, is it not? And If that resulted in this particular man being “culled from the herd” that was his fault. Is that correct? Maybe you also believe it was okay because…you know…he was a “darky”?

How about, this man may have had sufficient prior experience with “the system” to know how fairly and just he would be treated by those sworn to “protect” and serve, weighed his alternatives and decided running was the best choice he had. We’ll never know, because just like Chris Dorner, his side of the story will never be heard. It’s pretty convenient when you can silence dissenting voices before they ever reach the courtroom. And be able do so with utter impunity, how cool is that? Z, you’d better pray that the dark shadow of police judgement that fell upon this man never falls on you.

Zit,
Here is a song for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIJjYt-IBmE

You’re right, Ed, and I’m sorry. I started the troll-feeding 🙁

Sometimes I just can’t resist.

But I promise, no more feeding the OHS troll…let it starve.

methylamine, don’t be sorry about that! I’m sure there were 25,000+ other people who felt that needed to be said.

Clover put it perfectly, too: The whole condescending, and Good Ole Boy’s Network, intertwined with the New Age snobbery, ‘I’m So Above It All’ persona came out loud and clear with what he/she wrote. [It’s a she?] It’s ‘the new’ KKK, and any color can join.

I’ve seen that attitude my whole life. It’s gross.
And it needs to be challenged when it’s front and centered, and ignored when it’s from the back of the room.

This event comes across to me the same way as the scandal about the Ambassador being killed over in Libya. It’s as if people were just objects and there’s no remorse or outrage or responsibilty.
The buck stops nowhere. How obscene!

Imagine if that had been a child on a bicycle? Why is there no outrage when a grownup child dies at the hand of goberment that could have been restrained, but was not?
Why are they not doing everything in their power to avoid going overboard? [Because they are sociopaths, eh?]

“The law” is a blind and heavy hammer swinging for whatever it can hit. Every clover is the power behind that hammer.

In other words, the clovers of the world killed that guy, and the Ambassador and his fellows, and every other nobody the state smashes without cause or justification, and then some. And they don’t think it’s a shame, even if they say so! They like it like that.

And true Christianity and Communism has never been tried.

Libertarian’s Golden Era was the 1800’s in the West (and apparently in Iceland too) hence it was “tried”. The results is what Libertarians fear – it didn’t last. However at what point was Communism or even certain religions “tried”? It was all pretty much forced onto people.

Heck Karl Marx lived long to see Marxism in practice and when seeing the actions of the French Marxists proclaimed “All I know is that I am not a Marxist”.

Gil,
no libertarian society of any significance has failed under its own weight. That’s something statist systems based on violence do repeatedly and predictably.

Statist systems destroy themselves financially, morally, and physically. The very system leads to economic collapse, criminality and war. The statist system rewards parasitic behavior and thus the host is eventually killed. The trouble is that what happens is a new less hungry state replaces it and the process starts anew working towards the predictable end.

libertarian systems fail when some people impose a state from within or from without. They work fine until that happens.

Your question? Or false dichotomy? After all, a Libertarian isn’t one of “peace” so much as “doesn’t have a government”. Hence, a rather Libertarian place like Somalia can be quite violent whereas many Western nations are still quite peaceful and cosy to live for the Average Joe. Your question really is “do you think society should have no government and instead be run by private organizations?” I would say “nope”.

Gee, another authoritarian collectivist control freak descendant of state worshiping pigs claims Somalia is a libertarian paradise. Reading right from the statist book of logical fallacies, eh bootlicker?

A lot of people confuse libertarianism with anarchy. It seems those people refuse to use their brain to understand the world, instead they mindlessly react based on assumptions never proven or ignore the small segment of history known.

Decentralization Hidden in the Dark Ages

http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2013/02/decentralization-hidden-in-dark-ages.html

Many Western nations SEEM TO BE still quite peaceful and cosy to live for the Average Joe, however; that’s just an illusion built on the backs of others. The illusion is much like the cow has moments before entering the stockade.
Some moments last longer than others. Some aren’t realized until they hit the pavement after jumping out a ten story window.
Most All the moments rest on a pile of skulls.

The Fourth Turning is pending.

Insert ‘Interview with a Somali’ here x.

Simple question, lberns1, is there a central authority called government in Somalia that has law enforcement capacity or not? If not then it is a Libertarian scenario in practice.

“But they’re not playing nice!” Oh darn.

Well, there are certainly plenty of gangs calling themselves government (including the one occupying Mordor on the Potomac) who’d love to impose a gang of thugs as a central authority calling itself government.

But, as usual, Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil, you miss the point entirely. Sorry to send your little pea brain in a tizzy, but a stateless society is not one without rules, but one without rulers.

I just submitted a post to Eric’s site that explains this idea quite well. If he approves it, feel free to follow the link to it’s original source. The author loves taking on fanatics like you. To him it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

Gil,

Somalia’s problems are from groups fighting to be a government and from governments of other territories. The reason Somalia has any sort of functioning society in spite of the attempts to impose a state is because of their stateless traditions. If the thugs trying to be a government were removed it would be just fine.

Sure enough you assert the “they’re not playing nice therefore it ain’t Libertarianism” card.

You know I’d choose Somalia any day over Stalin USSR as an individual. Its kind of hard to walk your way out of huge and all powerful nation state when you’re sent to Siberia to linger.

Why don’t we all face it that Gil is somewhat right. The averages will always choose supression and slavery. Give them a ballot box and they’ll do what slaves always do and that is meet their own mediocricty. And if it were that simple that the voting averages would decide, I’d roll over and except big daddy government or run like hell (which I might still do if I can’t get enough quality people like you on board). For sure the natural path of mankind in averages is to put dog collars on themselves and others. It doesn’t matter if that is in small gangs in Somalia or big ones like in USSR, because its about freedom and intelligences of natural order not why dog collars would be good in Somalia to taper the smaller dog collars already there by non-monpolistic gangs. And freedom sadly is non-existent in places like Somlia like past USSR because of liars, hacks, usurpors and cheaters whether they wear a government uniform or red and blue colors. But some people fail to see the hypocrisy in their own thinking. To them there really is a difference between tyrants of gangs called government and local little non monopolistic ones. You can’t have higher society lacking the natural order formation that comes from the 4% (I’ll describe later) when these people accept their own role as being a toilet receptical for useless turds of life. I call the opposition tare of the earth and they are worth less than worthless, and they are the same evil between crips and bloods and democrats and republicans as their game is the same and their crop the same as well. Total manipulation and domination and control over the soul, fruits, and beliefs of the 4%.

The 4% are the Paretos Principle and those 4% are the ones who create 64% of things that actually matter. I’m not talking the 4% who own 64%, I’m talking about the 4% who think outside the box and can invent and so create 64% of anything new that matters to humanity.

But its simply not true that average means anything. Society does what the 4% of creators decide it to do. If those 4% let the averages or leaders for deconstruction/subjugation like Gil have their way they can live in absolute tyranny or in despair, and peasantry. You the 4% that create 64% are the final arbitrators how everything turns out here as everywhere else through all of time. You’re the liberators sent by God himself. You are the ones who can cut chains of bondage with your good words and works. Not government, not the people, and not educated elite can do one thousandth of what you can do simply by commiting to the truth and its strength.

And all we have to do to let evil win is do nothing (Paraphrase from someone else). Its true that because you yearn for truth and honesty and freedom and all good works for mankind, you the creators are the engine of the future and your beliefs and works will change everything or your lack of that desire will create its opposite the natural path of least resistance to the underworld of Gil.

Gil knows your importance, that is why she tries so hard to convince you she is right and steal the your soul of creation even though she is the joke to most in here. She needs you to do her bidding because you really do matter. But this site isn’t about Gil’s vision of slavery and demonism ego or about the benefits of dog collars, its about convincing you that 4% that your investment in freedom will make you all richer and reward humanity as well. Its so simple by being liberators you’re already in charge by the highest power. And when humanity is rewarded a greater intelligence will reward by enriching you too. So understand this a war for your mind (soul if you want to call it that) not just your fruits and works. If they (the Gil’s) can’t convince you of your place of slavery, then they will next convey you’re insignificance to the power of a worldy god of government. Both are pathetic attempts to subjugate your obvious talents and gifts so they can have their Jezebel way with you. Its their world or its our world, but we are much more powerful then they will ever admit outwards. Go ahead Gil and show us how much you need us by continuing to spend all your might and time in here. Do you really believe your games can match to wit of truth and intellectual freedom and growth? Good luck if there is such a thing.

Hot Rod

Gil, Not playing nice is the reason for a state with the monopoly on legal violence. If there weren’t a state or that mythical limited government then the bad actors would face violent repercussions for their actions. Thus they create or take over governments and things like governments with their pals. This protects them from the natural consequences of their bad deeds.

Furthermore towards your earlier comment, just because there is one dominating gang of thugs doesn’t mean it without violence. In fact in the USA society is disappearing and government violence is more and more maintaining order. Using violence is unsustainable in the long run. When the only reason not to do wrong is because some enforcer will unleash violence upon you, the society is already dead.

@Hot Rod:

Excellent posting, sir!

Absolutely right. It’s the chief reason for my optimism; they are nothing without US, the creators.

They hate our creativity; in fact it’s one of the factors leading me back toward seeing things from a more spiritual point of view…light/dark, good/evil. Their evil is so palpable, so cunning and patient over centuries.

They hate it because they can’t have it but they NEED it.

Withdraw consent. Fight smart; I’m not going out in a shooting match, but I’ll throw sand in the gears every chance I get.

If you know anyone who works for the State–shun them. It’s hard to do, I know; a neighbor who was quite friendly works for city government, and I’ve told him why I can’t associate with him anymore. It was hurtful, but necessary. Of course he’ll be the perfect snitch now…but there’s no risk-free fight for freedom.

“knows your importance?”

More like “knows your impotence” as in you complain how the U.S.A. is going in the opposite direction you like but there’s not a single thing you can do about it.

On the other hand, Somalia shows that peace and harmony don’t suddenly emerge just because the government disappeared. Furthermore, methyl, Libertarians are hardly the creator class of society otherwise you could all emigrate to another country and the U.S.A. would go to crap overnight.

To go back to original point: why should someone who can’t restitution be forced by any entity to work it off in jail or pay it back at a rate that is onerous? Sure, it possible to have a bingle where paying the costs outright would be cheaper than getting insurance. But if insurance ought to be optional then paying restitution should be either optional or at least the payer sets the rate at which they will pay for the losses.

Government did not disappear in Somalia. It changed forms.

Furthermore there was a time, not all that long ago, that if the federal government disappeared and nobody said anything to tell the people, they would have not noticed.

Well if you don’t think there’s a duty to get insurance in case you cause more harm than you can afford to pay then you have no real duty to pay restitution anyway. As said you would morally persuaded by others to pay restitution but they cannot force you. Anyone who can threaten you to force payment out of you is either government or some rogue force aspiring to be government.

du·ty

1: conduct due to parents and superiors

That’s a whole different thing than a moral obligation.

Mindless people blend the two meanings and see no distinction, it’s easy for them as they are frequently, feverishly and relentlessly, ‘Working Toward the Führer’

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1999/mar/18/working-toward-the-fuhrer/?pagination=false

“Well if you don’t think there’s a duty to get insurance in case you cause more harm than you can afford to pay then you have no real duty to pay restitution anyway”

That’s just scary how that mind.. er.. “works”. I’d like to see that argument used in front of a judge and jury (CLANG! Mind yer fingers).

There really only needs to be one law:

No harm is to be caused to any person’s life, liberty or property. Any actual and non-imagined harm caused, must be compensated to the satisfaction of all parties concerned.

eric, I’ve been thinking about this for a couple days and haven’t stepped in so here is my two cents(on the insurance/restitution debate). People who are much better off than nearly everyone else probably already realize they’re not going to drive into a “level playing field” when they’re driving their $150,000 auto on the street with literally millions of people who couldn’t afford to repay them with insurance and restitution both for the damage they might inflict on that expensive auto. While I’d hate to run over that Enzo or even that Mercedes, it could happen. I had no intention of running over a couple of new Chevy pickups either but it was a split second decision and my brakes didn’t work properly I finally figured out years later when they did the same thing twice in one week, one of those good old anti-lock things that restricts the amount of brake delivered to a ridiculous level of non-braking. I could have legally run over this guy and his girlfriend, both really young in this tiny car or whipped into the other lane where traffic was stopped. I never thought of not avoiding them as it would have meant the death of the driver and probably his girlfriend also since I was doing 40mph in a 40 zone. I’d do it again if it happened again that way. But what if it had been that Enzo sitting there? My small insurance(I buy the minimum since it’s forced on me and I can’t really shop for competitive rates)wouldn’t begin to cover the costs and neither would taking everything I own which they couldn’t do in Tx. I must have my wrecked vehicle to work and can’t be denied my land I make a living from so that leaves all the money I “might” have but don’t. I hope people with the means to buy vehicles such as the high-end type realize that situation exists for almost every driver out there.

Perhaps a Libertarian scenario of restitution can be found from an early episode from “The Simpsons”. Bart is hit by Mr Burns car and when all is said and done it is determined since Bart lost virtually no income during his injury Mr Burns wasn’t liable to pay the Simpsons family a thing.

“..Bart is hit by Mr Burns car..”

There goes another beautiful theory about to be murdered by a brutal gang of facts:

Holy fuck Gil – that means I can beat you to a pulp for nothing but if you’re not earning an income you get zip?

You’re a C64 with a broken program – garbage in, garbage out.

It could then argued that Mr Burns was exempt from paying the Simpsons anything because Homer was exposed trying to defraud Mr Burns and thus Homer was getting off light by getting nothing as opposed to being counter-sued.

On the other hand, Revolution, courts do take into account lost income when someone is injured hence a hobo getting beat up loses no income. If anything if a taxpayer beat up a hobo on welfare then the hobo owes him. Then again if you see a person beating up someone else then since the attacker is not harming you, you are initiating harm on the attacker, doubly so if the fight occurs on the attacker’s private property.

That’s just stupid Gillyweed. Your ideas make a complete mockery of the law when it comes to personal injury, pain and suffering, property damage and justice. Dare you to argue like that in court without getting shocked looks.

My exGF couldn’t walk and chew at the same time, but she’d be WAY ahead of you in understanding the basic tenets of common and inalienable rights.

As per Alien 3, I think I’ll call you “85”. Please don’t force me to revise that number lower.

Hi Free,

What’s a TOR poster? I’ve never heard of that.

As I explained to “Doc” – anyone (any real person) can post and I do not block or delete posts unless they are spam generated by bots or just personal insults. I welcome differing opinions – just not “fuk you, you are a dick’ (and so on).

PS: This is one of the few sites that will never demand you “sign up” via Facebook or any such thing. So, yeah, I do like privacy. A great deal, in fact.

Sheesh!

It sounds as if they are trying to post comments via some sort of proxy to hide their IP. Odds are some spammer or perhaps one of the abusive trolls at some time did the same and thus the IP of the proxy got banned.

eric, doc/freeburn is a troll of the libertardian variety. One asshole using two names. They roll in here anytime your article gets linked on another blog.

Nothing to worry about. Same shit, different day.

I can’t speak for Doc, he may well be a troll, though I don’t believe he is. I am an American living in China, and posting via TOR, which was explained to you by another poster. I may well be a troll as well, and if I appear as such, you have the right, of course, to ban me. I understand that your moderators have to look over each posting to see if it’s real or not. I guess I’ve just been spoiled reading Doc’s email list and forgot that some Americans just don’t quite *get* freedom. But it’s OK. I’m a free market anarchist and salute your right to run your list however you see fit.
As to posters like Ed & even you Eric: You’re not “hiding” behind a “fake” name? That too is your right, as well as it’s your right to broadcast your IP address all over the web so that anyone can see it.

America is nice because you don’t yet have to worry about such things, but here in China one must be very careful what one says.

I fear my former home (America) is heading down this same path, and when it does you & Ed and millions of other Americans will be caught with your pants down and your ass exposed.

I also use PGP, another tool that some Americans call paranoidware, and that’s OK too…until your masters in DC decide it’s a hate crime to post some diatribe against the president…

You can write me here: [email protected], but if it’s not encrypted and signed (with PGP or similar) I won’t reply. MIT has a keyserver: http://pgp.mit.edu

“I let one of each through – let’s see what happens”

Pretty predictable, actually. Being fed, they will hang around, using all manner of names, making all manner of claims, and hoping for more scraps.

Trolls can’t conceive of anyone participating in a discussion in order to share ideas, or to entertain each other with humor. They can’t conceive of anyone actually wanting to communicate with others in the spirit of expanding public dialogue beyond the limits of our imposed mainstream media “common knowledge”.

They have to disrupt, sow discord, provoke and try to shut down discussion. For some, it’s a paid occupation and for others, it’s a means of entertaining themselves.

They’re able to engage in this practice much more freely online than in person. Being as rude in person gets them ostracized or subject to an ass whipping.

Some people enjoy engaging the assholes, some don’t. Managing participation and editing threads is a nightmare, and I don’t envy anyone the job of doing it. Bravo to you and dom for not doing it. Discussion is better without moderation.

TOR is an anonymous browser, which allows users to hide who they are WRT IP (and maybe more, I haven’t tinkered.)
Useful to people in China and UAE etc as it can get around some filters (not all).
I don’t use it – too much hassle, especially given what I’ve posted non-anonymously. I don’t have the resources to disappear, I have to hope for the best.

Eric blocks posts from anonymous posters. If one wants to post and doesn’t want their IP showing up here, for whatever reasons, Eric (and his Google software) blocks them. This is so the government can read your words and make you disappear in the middle of the night. Way to smear the name of libertarians, “Eric” or whatever your name is.

Hi Mike,

Yeah – take a look at “Doc’s” posts!

eric, Tor is an onion router software with a browser that lets you surf the net without being tracked.

Maybe the trolls are trying to be slick by using it in order to keep from being banned on a forum they want to disrupt.

If so, they’re being too clever by half. Looks as though they’ll just have to keep using those facebook login sites where every third participant is a troll.

The boy’s got a point on his head and he thinks he’s sharp. Shot his own little pink dick off trying to be slick and now he comes here to whine about it.

Ahaha. I love it.

Doc is also uhclem who spam posted about “vaping” on this page.

A shill and an authoritarian who whines on his fakeass page about the cyberpigs not helping him get his money back from X10.com.

Qui dormierit cum porcis vigilat olentes sicut lardum.

True enough, Tor Monkov, although I’m not 100% on that “fakeass” page.
I am uhclem & doc @ you might be able to guess the domain.
Try it.

Ok, Doc –

I have no problem with you (or anyone else) using an Internet handle rather than your real name. I understand the reasoning.

It’s hard to believe just how polite people in Montana can be. Young people opening doors for older people. Go to Billings a town in Montana and tell me that the people there aren’t the nicest. I’ve always said it before niceness and being gentile is a sign of intelligence. Dumb and rude people always get it ass backwards, until those same nice people get fed up with the B.S. and hand them their head and ass back. I like Montana and I like Nevada, they may be the best states in the U.S. both in terms of entrepeneurs and quality of life.

As far as being paranoid, I don’t believe one can be too paranoid these days. Using tor or pgp is recommended if you want to be anonymous, personally I’m somewhere between totally private and somewhat open. I fear that when people have to speak in soft tones to avoid ridicule, condemnation, or/and jailing then its too late to change the course of tyranny. Natural leaders are people who know the consequences and stick their head above ground anyway. Its probably a sign of atruism and I’d bet if you met these people they’d be just like the people I’m talking about in Montana.

Have a nice day Doc and please do whatever makes you most comfortable here.

Hot Rod

Thanx Eric & Hotrod. I had almost given up on y’all. I appreciate your words.