Blown Away . . . for Not Complying

Exactly, Anarchyst.

I witnessed the very same thing, even as a child, in the private sector:

My older sister always lived in sketchy neighborhoods. While visiting her occasionally as a child, we’d sometimes have occasion to go into the local supermarket.

My first trip to that market- I must have been about 7 or 8- the place was beautiful. Clean as a whistle.

Over the next few years, the savages started moving into that neighborhood.

When I was about 10, we went to that store again…. What a stark difference!

The savages kids were taking things off of the shelves and throwing them at each other. Older kids and adults were shoplifting. There were open bags of cheese puffs and candy laying haphazardly on shelves, left after people had half eaten them while shopping.

People would just drop garbage on the floor. It was now a disgusting mess.

White people stopped going there. Another couple of years, and the place was closed and boarded up.

But the thing that amazes me, to this day, is that people have been so blinded by propaganda that they can not admit the truth. Within the last year, my own mother was just saying “It’s a shame how blacks always get the crummy stores with higher places, like that store where Carol used to live. They’re always being taken advantage of!” LOL!

I try to enlighten her, that THEY are the ones who make those stores crummy, and who occasion the higher prices because of the increased theft, higher maintenance, and the driving away of more lower-maintenance customers.

Those visits to that store were my first inklings that jigs were different, and NOT “just like everyone else”. Although very poor, I had the good fortune to grow-up in a very white area, and it was a big deal when in c.5th grade our school got it’s first “colored student”.

What a blessing that unintended segregation was, just 60 miles from the slums of NYC.

While I was enjoying a blissful childhood, a few of my cousins in NYC were not so lucky, being subjected to the heavily integrated schools there, which essentially mirrored the supermarket I mentioned above.

Now, 45 years later, in the rural area where I now live, the propaganda is going stronger than ever. The locals believe the BS they are taught- that “they are just like us”- and anyone “who makes any distinction is just a ‘racist’ “- merely because the people here have not been exposed to negroids in large numbers in their daily lives…so they believe what they are told, knowing no different.

stop whining anarchyst… you and nun here making white people look bad by displaying the racism everybody knows is prevalent in this country.
How can forced integration set back the cause of civil rights if you do not believe in civil rights? And it’s not forced integration, it is stopping forced and unlawful segregation…huge difference.
As for your claims blacks ruined schools, it is utter bullshit and your own subjective, bigoted view. Please provide sources and objective info of such.

And forgot to add, that one your ilk bombed 4 little girls in order to prevent blacks from attending white schools…
I mean…come on guys… how many of such examples should i drag out the stained and bloody dustbin of american history in order to make my original point?

And there we have it, folks!

The admission we’ve all been waiting for.

Po reveals that like 98% of the rest of humanity, he is an authoritarian-collectivist who has no problem with violence being used to effect and impose control of others, as long as he sees it benefiting himself and his group.

THEN, in such cases when the state uses the threat of violence or actual violence against those who have not initiated violence against others, Po considers such oppression to be fine and dandy.

If, on the other hand, the state uses violence or the threat thereof to impose controls on Po or his group- when it comes to enforcing policies whic he is opposed to…then it is “evil racist oppression”.

It is so ironic that the people who complain about oppression the loudest, are the very ones who help to perpetrate it when they see it as serving their own causes. And so it is with most people, which is why tyranny prevails in this world, and always will, unless and until people cease to believe in authority, and cease desiring to rule others by force, and embrace t5he ideal that people have the right to be left alone and do as they please as long as they do not initiate violence against those who have done them no violence.

But unfortunately, the majority will just seek to use the state as a means to forcibly achieve their desired goals- not even realizing that that IS the basis of the very oppression which they claim to abhor.

Morning, Bevin!

Po seems fixated on racial grievances – and implies (but never directly states) that whites – all whites – must accept punishment for the sins committed by other whites.

How this salves the racism he objects to escapes me.

And: Your observation in re institutional (legalized) racial policies is dead on.

An individual can “discriminate” against someone else, but the individual is powerless to compel others to do the same. The “discriminated” against person is free to seek employment (or become an employer) patronize a different restaurant (or open one) and so on.

But Po’s “solution” is to force people to deal with one another on the basis of race. To make race the criteria for entitlement. As it was in the past, the past he decries. Only now, he thinks it’s better and right because a different race is being advantaged by racialist policies!

Eric,

Po is a virulent racist, just as much so as any Klansman or Nazi. I’ve dealt with guys like him over the years, hate-filled, racist blacks with a big chip on their shoulder,
blaming Whitey for all the ills of the world. And, as you observe, he is a collectivist who wants to deal with people as groups rather than individuals. His mission is to punish people innocent of any wrongdoing because they may have a genetic connection to those who he accuses of various crimes, in many cases crimes that occurred centuries ago. Imposing this kind of inherited blood-guilt on segments of the population is part of a racist’s standard bag of tricks.

Of course racists like Po do turn a blind eye to the evils of people they see as their own kin. (For example, demands for slavery reparations never include “punishing” the descendants of the black Africans who actually enslaved their neighbors by force and sold them into the slave trade.)

Po is full of hate and spouting racist nonsense. You’ll never get through to him. Really, you’re just wasting your time with this guy and he’s turning this site into a platform for his racist, hate-mongering agenda.

Hi Jason,

Agreed.

I tried to give him an opportunity to debate these questions reasonably – but as you and others have noted, he is unwilling to do so. He simply wishes to spew his racial venom. It’s worth letting such people reveal their true selves – which Po has done, amply. But now the time has come to shut it down.

I’ve blocked him – because I do not want this to metastasize into a racist rant fest.

Usually, if it is observed that one embraces one such concept, it is usually indicative that they embrace the whole philosophical smorgasboard from whence that concept originated.

Forced integration; entitlements; affirmative action; socialism….where you find one, you usually find the others.

And if someone seems to be lacking one or two of the set, just give ’em a little time, and they’ll usually embrace those too, because they are all part and parcel of the same belief/value system/philosophy, and it would be hypocritical to embrace one and not the others.

Consistency with their overall philosophy demands that they must embrace one as well as the others….just as our embracing any one of those concepts would be totally hypocritical and opposed to everything else we believe.

And the reason for making a distinction about the race, ancestry, or culture of an oppressor is what?

Brent, as I keep saying, one does not negate the other. Though what you say is generally true, it doesn’t change the fact that what I say is also true. The difference between every oppressed group in US and Blacks (natives also)? The oppression ceased at some point…and the oppression was not official policy. The fact that blacks were the American victims is not debatable. I am offering historical facts. Telling the rape victim “get over it, whore” does not negate the rape, it simply compounds the trauma.

Hi Po,

Fixating on racial grievances (or racial pride) is to accept the collectivist premise. You and I are not individuals. We are defined by the group to which we belong.

This goes both ways, by the way – if the premise is accepted. I am a superior creature because I am a white man and other white men built the Parthenon. Not because of anything I have created or achieved. I bask in their reflected glory. And – reversing this – my worth is questionable because other white men smoke meth and beat their wives. This is the same logic used by white racists to disparage blacks as a collective. It goes both ways – and both ways are bad.

No thanks.

Black slavery was an atrocity, certainly. But are whites living today culpable for what other whites did in the past? How about the Mongols and what they did – for much longer – to the peoples they subjugated? Should the descendants of the Mongols pay reparations to the descendants of the Great Khan’s victims?

Intergenerational sippenhaft is as morally unsound as slavery itself.

Individuals are individually responsible for what they do – not for what others have done.

By way of example: If a man is robbed by a mugger, he does not have the moral right to rob the next man who comes along to make up for his loss.

Life is often unfair. Ask the native American peoples, for instance. Or the Irish who came to the U.S. in the 1800s. Or the “poor white trash” who are picked on by cops and abused by the system just as poor blacks often are.

But even more unfair – because it is under our control – is demanding that people who didn’t do anything to you or any other person – “minority” or not – be guilt-tripped/punished in some way on account of what other people did in the past.

To perpetuate unfairness, as in my example of the mugged person who then mugs the next person who comes along. Someone hurt my grandfather (or my father, or me) and now I am going to hurt you.

We will never get out of the mess we’re in until we deal with one another as individuals, not as members of a collective.

You are 100% correct, Brent- both about me (My grandparents immigrated from Naples), and about non-WASPs.

When my grandparents came here in the very early 20th century, Eye-talians were even still referred to as “niggers”- and even into the 40’s and 50’s, as my mother found out by living in SC for a while, being Italian, Catholic (I’m not, by my relatives are) and from NY. made you a 3rd class citizen- in many cases below the local blacks, even.

The Irish too. From their first mass migrations to NY in the mid 19th century, were looked upon as nothing but dirty cheap labor- hated even by the blacks, because they’d compete for the same unskilled manual labor jobs.

Thank goodness, back then, we didn’t have the loony liberals to convince us that we were victims because not everyone loved us; or that we should blame our problems on those who don’t like us.

Since we didn’t know these things, we just lived our lives; and those who did not conform to negative stereotypes and who did not perpetrate negative behavior, did well and overcame the negative stereotypes.

And if there was any blame to be placed, we placed it where it belonged, like on the greasy WOP or the ones with a penchant for crime; or the drunken Mick.

The WASPs actually had good sense to fear the dirty Italian and Irish immigrants, because they were of a competing religious system- one which is large and powerful and politically active, and which is opposed to many of the values the WASPs held dear and had worked hard to enshrine in the New World, after having suffered persecution in Europe under the hands of the Catholics. Their ancestors came to America to break free from the Catholic system, and now here it was…following them- and through the lowest slovenly motley hoards of new immigrants, who like the negroids, tended to procreate prolifically.

And their fears were not unfounded. NY quickly became a stronghold of Catholic politics and power- from which it has never recovered.

Po, black american political groups aren’t demanding anything from the WASP mayflower ruling class. They are demanding that their neighbors of Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Slav, and other modernly labeled ‘white people’ pay and make way for them. None of them were even considered ‘white’ before except for maybe some of the Germans.

Black americans act like they have a monopoly on ancestors that were slaves. What bullshit. Some of my ancestors came to this country because they were effectively slaves for the land owners. That’s why they came here.

American slavery ended legally in 1865. Which was earlier than a good many others.

I’m tired of working to support the weaponized underclass and so are the black people I know. Town I grew up in, the black people that were there in the 70s and 80s have left or want to leave because of the underclass. Like I mentioned before all the working people have been largely getting along for a 150 years. It’s this underclass that’s the problem. And without forced subsidy it goes away. Before LBJ it was nearly gone, both black and ‘white’. That’s why LBJ did what he did.

I forgot something Po, the oppression of white people of the wrong stock has not stopped. The ruling class is constantly pushing their controlled black underclass on them. That black underclass is never moved into the WASP neighborhoods where they live.

The schools are also used as weapons. The tax code. The central bank. and more. It’s economic class war and it has not stopped one bit.

You don’t see whites of the wrong stock rising in the corporatist system really any more than you see blacks doing so.

The difference is largely about not whining about it. But not whining about it doesn’t mean the reality of it isn’t understood.

By the way, Brent, Black americans are not asking anything other than to be treated fairly. What else are they asking?
Are they asking for reparations? For 40 acres and the mule they are entitled to?
And no, they are not anti-white, as you are wont to believe.
As for whites of the wrong stock, which ones? Other than the Appalachian whites or throe of similar stock, there is no white in this country who is glass ceilinged based on his lack of proper whitey credential.
And yes, I agree that there are plenty whites that the corporatist system overlooks and keeps down, coal country comes to mind…and yes, they are whining about it, the result of it is a Trump presidency.

BrentP, I’m glad you made the point not all slaves came from Africa or were even anything other than white.

As a very young man I was stunned to find out it was the moneyed crowd for the most part that first emigrated to the US and brought their indebted servants with them. So many of those servants were indebted for so long they could never make the change to a job other than working for their “master”. Others were literally thrown out on the technicality they had fulfilled their terms(sentence)when they could no longer work from old age or disease or both. It was no different than any other sort of slavery.

Not to even mention the hoards of white Europeans who were nothing but virtual slaves and share-croppers, as serfs in Europe for 1000 years.

Most Eurpean immigrants who came here in the 19th and early 20th centuries, did so to escape the effects of European peasantry.

This country may have been started by the monied WASPs, but the great number of unwashed masses who later came to “the melting pot” were mere peasants, who had nothing, and who left their homeland and their ancestors in the hopes of making somewhat of a life here which they had no hope of in Europe.

Most of us here today, are the descendants of those people- be they from Italy, Poland, Hungary, Ireland, Scotland, whatever.

And then the next wave that came in the mid-20th century, came to escape communism, fascism and the Nazis.

In short, MOST of the people in this country are the descendants of slaves, serfs and refugees, whose struggles were more recent than that of black American slaves.

A far cry from Ivory Tower WASPs whom people like Po imagine most whites to be.

Eightsouth, it is a fallacious argument you are making. The fact that some folks were subjected to lifelong indentured servanthood does not make the whole of them slaves. It is as illogical as saying that since some sex workers are sex slaves, therefore sex-working is sex-slavery. What determines the concept is one of rule and exception. Most blacks were slaves, some weren’t. Most whites were not slaves, some were.
Additionally, if the british system indentured folks for crimes or poverty, it does not negate the fact it engaged in the slave trade of blacks, but ALSO and ESPECIALLY makes the case that …ahem… that slavery and related oppression was a white supremacist system whose class-ist component would sacrifice other white folks to the machine.
In other words, in the process of dehumanizing black folks for profit, it also dehumanized some white folks for profit…which we are seeing increasingly today…which is all am saying.
Which is why in the war on crime/terror/drugs…and the building up of the prison industrial complex, all of which were targeting non-white folks primarily, white folks who did not used to be primarily targets will start becoming primary targets, which is how it has always been historically, the machine goes from the margins in. Which is also how change might happen, when white folks/middle class folks like you start realizing that you can no longer remain silent because you now are increasingly niggers.

And pretty much, the history of mankind has been a non-stop series of wars, thefts and subjugations, between people of every ethnicity and race, whether among their own or others- but why is it that BLACKS are the only ones who have the audacity (or is it stupidity?) to invoke “racism” when anything which happens to them is perpetrated by anyone not of their own race?

And yet, they twist the tables, so that when whites are the victims of blacks, AGAIN they cry “racism” when the whites become fearful of blacks after seeing so many crimes committed by them!

“Ebrything be whitey’s fault!”.

They’ll protest when you mention what percentage of them are on welfare….and then they’ll turn around and scream “racism” when any politician proposes cutting welfare!

And yet they have no answer for how it could be that black and brown Indians come here and prosper. Yellow Chinese come here and prosper; Spicks of all shades, from white to black, come and prosper…. but apparently “racism” only affects the moulignons!.

That’s the logic of the oppressor… I refuse you your grief, which is based on historically documented evils, but I demand you stop crying for it upsets me when i hear that folks of the same skin hue as me have done uncountable evil to you people… it is fascinating you do realize, nunzo that you are doing exactly what you seem to cry against… but hey, racist gotta be ignorant…can’t help it.
Hate to burst your narrative here but I rant against any oppressed people everywhere, matter little the skin tone, the religion or the locale. A whit eman blown away by cops, I speak up…an native woman raped and murdered, I speak up. I don’t call anyone names that offends them, I don’t speak of a whole ethnicity wholesale, I respect, unlike you friend, every single person as a full human being, give them credit for their morality, attack them for their immorality and inhumanity. Note that of the 2 of us, only oen keeps calling folks evil names, and it ain’t me.
What is you frame of reference? Mine is historical, social, moral and religious… yours is ethnic and racist…and ignorant… 🙂

It is also fascinating how you keep quoting facts that you pull straight out of your rear end build, against, windmills to deploy against your much more truthful and rational, and less ignorant interlocutor.
Case in point, this trope: blacks and welfare. It is well documented, ignorant friend who, based on his own logic and his ancestors’ immigration from Italy, makes Italy a shithole country, that white are the major recipients of welfare. How can you not know that? How??????

And what is the point of playing the IF game??? The facts are clear, whatever you accuse others of being, is DIRECTLY LINKED to what the west has done to them. DIRECTLY…
Any border dispute around the globe? The west.
Nuking a people? US
10 millions in congo? Belgium.
Ethiopia/Eritrea? Italy
Much of Africa? France
Vietnam? US after France… And let’s not even mention the countless coups that removed a democratically elected leader and implemented an autocracy to serve their masters…(egypt just very recently).
And I wonder who enables Saudi arabia to keep existing and keep abusing human rights?
And you asked above what was the west’s (US) responsibility in this north korea? My God!!!
Are you really this ignorant or are you faking it extremely well? Are you?
Somebody please answer him, I am too speechless to address such emptiness of knowledge.
But, I leave you with this hint: millions of dead…yes, on the north korean side.
Yes, women and children.

Nonsense, Poo.

I (and virtually everyone who posts here) rant about those who oppress anyone- That is essentially what Libertarianism/Anarchy is all about- we believe that people have the right to be left alone until and if they perpetrate violence against someone else, or infringe upon their property.

Oppression, to one degree or another, is perpetrated or enabled by the majority of people around us, against ALL others who are not a part of their group- be that group familial, or political or professional, or ideological or religious or pretty much any distinction. Sometimes even ethnically- but such, especially today in the Western world, is rather rare.

You, on the other hand, just want to make everything about race- both for offenses perpetrated against you through no fault of your own- only because you are a victim of man oppressing man; and for problems you have which you have caused, which you would like to blame on others.

The fact that you keep harping on your countries being “invaded” or “stolen” is a perfect example. Such has happened to virtually all people on the face of the earth; yet when it happens to a black country, it is suddenly “racism”!

The same thing goes for slavery. So a handful of you a few centuries ago were enslaved by some Jews and Englishmen who had taken up residence here in America.

As I explained before, that in no way affects you personally, any more so than anything which may have happened to my ancestors 200 years ago affects me. I did not cause your anxcestors slavery nor approve of it; and you did not suffer from it. It is of no relevance to us today- except to those who are looking for excuses to explain their own dysfunctional behavior.

And who here is justifying war? Note ot, that every time they throw a war, there are no lack of you people who sign up to be mercenaries along with everyone else.

Are you trying to say that wars are “racist” because they are fought against other countries, whose ihabitants tend to be different than the aggressors? If the US attacked Britain or Poland it would be O-K since the two sides would be of the same race?

And i suppose all of the niggers in South Africa murdering white farmers is perfectly fine?

Personally, I wish that the racism you speak of really DID exist! Because on the whole, you people contribute nothing positive to this world, and are nothing but a burden and I believe the world would be better off if most of you were exterminated, because wherever one goes- be it most primitive Africa, or the pinnacle of the modern civilized world, all one has to do is look at your people, and they will see the majority of you existing at the lowest most animalistic level, replete with violence, theft and filth, and always effecting destruction, while never creating, preserving or improving.

One day, this “racism” that you speak of may actually appear, as it is my observation that more and more non-blacks are getting disgusted with you- seeing your refusal to do anything positive to improve your own condition, and just leeching off of the system, while blaming those who have tried to help you for your problems, which are no one’s fault but your own. More people are starting to wake up to reality, as they see what a sham this “racism” nonsense is.

Oh, so now I have to ‘splain to Poo that in a nation where only 13% of the population is black, that there are “more whites on welfare”….. (Because I’m the one who doesn’t understand statistics! LOL)

Here’s a hint for you: Since you will not believe what I say anyway, why don’t you look up what percent of blacks are on welfare, vs. what what percent of whites?

You may be surprised. (I’m not).

And again, if so few blacks and “more whites” are on welfare, why is it that EVERY time any cut to a welfare program is proposed, that the “black leaders” and black community scream that it is “racism” and “discrimination”???

And just HOW do you think all of these she-boons with 6 or more kids (and still in their 20’s, no less!) with no husband, are being supported? Often, in some of the most expensive places one can live in this country, like New York City!

Oh, yeah! I’ve seen it with my own eyes! Some nigress who can’t keep her legs closed, has 8 kids by 7 different men, and lives in a HUD subsidized apartment with 5 bedrooms and a terrace which few white people who pay the taxes which pay for that apartment could afford, moaning that it’s the white man that’s keeping her down! (Not that she was pregnant by homie when she was 13, and that if it wasn’t for whitey her and her kids would’ve starved to death and died of exposure, because homie has moved on to dozens of other women and or to jail, and she never got so much as a dime out of him…..and she’s just repeating what her mother did…..and her kids will do the same- that is, the ones who don’t die of a drug overdose; AIDS, or get shot in a hold-up….but it all be de ebil white man’s fault!

Poo, you might be right about Italy though- Any place that contains Sicily and Palermo HAS to be a shit-hole! (Sicilians are the Italian versions of niggers!) eh, goombah?

As for welfare, you are making my point exactly…tsk tsk….)

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,156084,00.html

https://www.thoughtco.com/who-really-receives-welfare-4126592
and then this, which happened often enough that perhaps, just perhaps we ought to link consequences to causes…

And by this, I meant this
http://www.ebony.com/black-history/the-destruction-of-black-wall-street-405#axzz566vztxAP

and let’s not even talk about the prison complex and its effect on black families adn their destruction… after obviously the separation of black slaves families…jim crow laws …etc…etc….

So he refers to the liberal rag Time as proof….LOL

So far, we’ve seen Time, The Atlantic; Ebony…. What’s next, Oprah?

How about the actual stats from the census?:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html

As if that isn’t bad enough, if we pared it down to eliminate old age beneficiaries, and just looked at those between 0 and 50 who relied on entitlements for all or a substantial part of their existence, it would tell a more accurate story, and look even WORSE for nigs.

Keep looking though; maybe you can come up with an Al Sharpton quote or something to “prove me wrong”.

And for the THIRD friggin’ time, I ask you: If nigs are not so dependent upon entitlements, then WHY do they scream “racism” and “injustice” every time a politician proposes cutting welfare benefits? Oh, you mean they’re concerned with a few white hillbillies in Appalachia who might have their food stamps (which they receive on behalf of the mulatto kid they had with homie) cut?

Oh, now I am enlightrened.

Dayum, Poo! You are really proving to be a perfect illustration of why your people are so messed up.

let me also make sure to point that i am no lumping everyone with nunsense here… he is a racist bigot and proves ith with every illogical combination of words he utters. At least he stopped posting statistics since they keep getting destroyed and exposed as lies, lies and damn lies 🙂 Bigoted Nunsense of the KKK

Poo: “the system is evil, immoral, violent and will seek and destroy you when it is done with us.””

That is true- and pretty much has always been- but what you seem to be missing, is that by admitting that, you are tacitly admitting that it is not about race!

Again, no one says people who possess certain physical characteristics, such as skin color, or big noses, somehow makes those people inferior.

It is about culture and the behavior exhibited by the majority of certain groups- as I’ve been saying.

No one gets upset when the Chinese move into their neighborhood, because the Chinese do not typically indulge in violent crime; subsist on welfare; engage in the drug culture; nor destroy their surroundings.

But if you look at virtually every place where there are large numbers of blacks, and that is exactly the behaior one observes, time after time, place after place- on every continent to which they foul.

Slavery ended a LONG time ago, anfar from everything being “racist”, if one so much as says the word nigger these days, they are ostracized. Generations of your children have been raised on free food, free healthcare; free housing, even in New York City and San Fagcisco, where the majority of whites can not even afford to live; cops would rather pick on white people, because we pose little threat, and have no one (political organizations; the media; free lawyers) to stand up for us….but you stupid shitskins INSIST on harping on slavery from 200 years ago, and some segragation and injustices that may have existed in the US South for a few decades also well in the past.

What about today? When are you going to take responsibility for your own lives?

You would accomplish far more if instead of harping on things which happened before you born, you would shame members of your own culture who procreate prolifically, but who don’t take responsibilty for their offspring; and those who engage in violent or property crimes; and those who make themselves easy victims by breaking laws which, even if unjust (like drug prohibition) are easy enough avoided if you don’t want to end up in jail and relieved of your rights and ability to earn a legitimate living, etc.

In other words, if you’d behave like everyone else, you’d be treated like everyone else- and would stop making it so that good ones among you are looked upon like the rest, simply because they look like they belong to that culture which is so notorious for perpetrating negative and destructive behavior.

Hi Po,

People are “privileged” as much by their genetic endowment and family/financial circumstances as by happening to be born into the culturally dominant racial/ethnic group in a given country. Not everyone can be “anything they put their mind to.” I will never play in the NFL, for instance – no matter how hard I train. And there are more blacks playing in the NFL than there are whites… .

What of it?

Do you demand leveling by force – along the lines of Harrison Bergeron?

I cannot play fuuhhhhhhhttttball but I can write – and make a living doing so. I do not have to go out and perform physically difficult manual labor to earn my supper. I am in a very real sense privileged by the intelligence and talent I was born with, which others less fortunate lack. Should I be punished on account of this? Does the fact that others are less intelligent/talented impose an obligation enforceable at gunpoint on the more intelligent/talented to “equalize” things? If so, then I surely have a claim to pick the pockets of people more intelligent/talented than I am.

Yes?

A person who is born into a family of means, who is given access to books and good schools and so on, is likewise privileged. A gifted athlete is privileged. The children of Barack Obama are privileged.

One could go on, but the point is obvious.

Life is unfair because inequality is reality – and always will be.

The question is whether its existence justifies violence – the use of force to “correct” it. In particular as regards people who as individuals have not hurt anyone themselves but simply drew a better hand of cards, so to speak.

Were blacks abused on account of race? Certainly. Obviously. Are blacks still being abused today on account of race? Yes. Certainly. But they are also being advantaged on account of their race. Privileged on account of it.

As are women.

It is no longer legal to “discriminate” – that is, to choose – on account of race – if the race of the person at issue is black. However, it is legal to “discriminate” against white men. And encouraged. This is a fact. Inarguable.

It is being done on the basis of sippenhaft. Other whites (generic) abused other blacks (also generic). Therefore, specific whites, who had nothing to do with it, must be punished for the benefit of people they didn’t harm – and who may be more privileged than they are.

Note that in both cases above, the criteria are not the individual’s merits or lack of them but rather his race (and sex). The individual is submerged into a collective identity. Thus, the black girl who comes from an upper middle-class background (e.g., Malia Obama) will have a much easier time in life than the white boy who lives with his single mom in a trailer in the Ozarks because of legalized, state-enforced racial policies which regard them as different colored integers only.

At some point, this has to stop or it only gets worse. Note that the current legalized discrimination against whites is – quite understandably – fomenting racial animosity toward blacks and other “minorities.” How does this help dissipate racism?

There will always be winners and losers in the game of life because of natural inequality of ability and of circumstances as well as of simple hard work and also luck. But things are are made infinitely worse when people think of themselves as part of a herd and demand collectivized rewards and punishments, regard themselves as entitled and aggrieved – and seek to harm and punish people who, as individuals, have never harmed them personally.

When they base their dealings with others not on how those particular people deal with them but rather how other people dealt with them – or people (long dead) whom they never even knew dealt with their also-long-dead ancestors.

It is collectivism that is our common enemy. Yours and mine. Black or white.

Hahaha, that got me thinking, Eric….

My black friend: She grew up in a rare functional black home, with a father (Who built their house with his own hands); she got a good edumacation and unlike most working-class whites, could concentrate on her studies, because she didn’t have to work her way through school. She got a good job making six figures, and in-turn, her daughter went to private schools and got to go to college abroad, and now also has a good job, making almost 6 figures.

I, on the other hand, growing up as a poor honky….. lived all of my early life in meager apartments; didn’t have a father; had to work to contribute to keep us alive, from my mid teens, and earned my living early on by digging clams out of the bay.

Where is this white privilege of which they speak? Wait…wait…it’s because I’m Italian! Yeah…that’s it! 😉 It was those damn WASPs keeping us down!

[Not that I’m complaining, mind you. I’ve had a GREAT life, and if I could do it all over again, would not change one thing- but there’s certainly been no white privilege….or privilege, period.]

And this “equality” stuff is just pure BS. All people deserve to be treated equally in the eyes of the law- that’s it. But Po will never be equal to Thomas Sowell, and I’ll never be equal to Steve Jobs [nor would I want to be]- I don’t want to be equal. I want to be unique.

Since it is impossible to elevate all people to the character and abilities of the best, the only way equality-by-force can be achieved, is by shackling the abilities of the capable- something which I’m sure the likes of Po would be perfectly fine with.

Unless you are using a hydrogen maser to do the timing.

The force/friction/resistance necesary to alter the course of something with the mass of a planet, on a continual basis, would be a tad more than a little. And since nothing has been observed as maintaing perpetual motion for “billions” of years, nor even having been in existence that long, it is all mere conjecture, speculation, and guess-work. Unprovable.

These theoretical “sciences should be classed as literature or art.

The Russians went to the moon before we did, according to James McCanney, and decided not to return because all of animals and people launched alive returned dead. They decided not to waste any time trying to warn a world that wouldn’t believe them.

If there is a flag on the moon, it would be used by amateur astronomists to calibrate their reticles.

It’s hilarious, Bill. They STILL claim that the piece of cloth is still there- 50 years later, but can “only be seen with our special skookum telescopes”….

Meanwhile, the protective space suits used to protect the humans who supposedly put that piece of cloth there, have nearly disintegrated, even though they have been stored in a controlled environment at a constant mild temperature and out of exposure to air and sunlight….

Apparently that flag was made of the same material of the 9-11 hijackers passports….

You hit the nail on the head, Eric. That’s all any of it is- pure speculation.

They used to write it down and put it in comic books and call it “Buck Rogers”.

Now they write it down and put it in textbooks and call it “science”.

It really is, something seems to upset the applecart every few thousand years , be it Planet X or an undiscovered comet .

According to James McCanney, it fell into the sun after having been correctly identified as Hale-Bopp.

The “X” was never for ten.

Yep…couldn’t say it any other way… typical racist, picks same debunked talking points from same garbage pile of anti-intellectualism and ignorance. If your statistics are wrong, then your conclusions are too wrong, friend, ergo, your whole point is wrong. Most crime is committed by whites. Most whites are killed by whites. Did I hear you speak on white on white crime? No??? Oh. Why not head to the FBI website? “Real” statistics could be found there. But then that would burst your racist bubble and, no sir, no, we would not want that. But here is an article addressing some of those issues.
https://www.michaeloart.com/crime-perception-black-white/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

Since 90% of violent crimes are committed by non-whites, it would be pretty hard for most crimes against whites to be committed by other whites.

I only worry about state-sponsored crime, anyway- as the random criminal, be he white, black or “other” will end up in the sinkhole if he plies his trade around here.

And yes, yes, we all know, the statistics lie, and in reality, all of the homies in the ‘hood are just one big happy family, all loving each other, and there is rarely a crime.

I guess there’s really no sense in debating with you, since you don’t seem to care for reality if it doesn’t suit your needs.

One day perhaps, when you pull your head out of your rectum, you may realize that the semantics your captors have taught you to react to aren’t important, and that in reality, it is people like myself and most of those here on this site, who are really the ones who are advocating for the freedom and autonomy of all men [and maybe even some advanced monkeys 😉 ]- although that is not what most of your people want, as such requires personal responsibility, and means living by one’s own merits, with no politicians to rob others to redistribute their wealth; nor dictate their choices and conduct, so as to force them to interact with you and make you artificially “equal”.

“Since 90% of violent crimes are committed by non-whites, it would be pretty hard for most crimes against whites to be committed…”
Once more, if your premise is wrong, makes it almost impossible to derive a right conclusion… why don’t you share with us where you found that statistic? We can go from there.
Unless, speaking of rectum…

It’s pretty evident you are the worst ignorant racist here, bunky.

Please name for us a few countries that have been “swallowed by rising sea waters” due to anyone in the West “spewing toxic gases.” (CO2, the purported scapegoat for the natural process of climate change is not even a toxic gas. What a maroon!)

As far as “death and dehumanization” go – don’t forget who the actual slavers were, that is, the people who actually enslaved others to sell to the slave traders. It was their own black brothers that enslaved those unfortunates.

You are so full of shit it’s oozing out of your ears. You really have to be a troll. It’s hard to imagine anyone actually being that much of a numbskull.

“You are so full of shit it’s oozing out of your ears. You really have to be a troll. It’s hard to imagine anyone actually being that much of a numbskull.”
Know thyself they .said…glad to see Jason embracing it…
okay, turn on google then type, nation island under seas… then type: how did africans go from being in africa to being in america, in haiti, in trinidad et al?
ALso type: what made america he richest country on the globe? was it off the back of slaves…cotton…etc… free labor..etc..?
Then read (attempt) then comprehend (attempt)…

>”ALso type: what made america he richest country on the globe? was it off the back of slaves…cotton…etc… free labor..”<

LOL! Yeah…..some slaves picking cotton for a few families 200 years ago is what made America rich (Not to mention that what riches did exist then were destroyed in Loony Lincoln's war].

Slaves weren't very efficient. 50% of what they produced went to their own upkeep.

Many of the "riches of America" were/are made off of the slavery of of EVERYBODY, as the government takes the 50% of the fruit of our labor above the 50% we need for upkeep- and if anything, much of those riches are used to support your prolific offspring through entitlements.

Your slavery ended long ago. Everyone else's is ongoing.

Not to even mention that YOU and yours benefited incredibly from the price your ancestors paid, since if not for them, today you would be living in a mud hut and crapping on the ground in Africa, since your people have not managed to advance beyond the most primitive conditions when left to themselves.

So your ancestors did all the work, and you reap the benefits, but can't stop complaining about it.

So your ancestors endured slavery, and now we have to endure you, and the ruination of every once-great city in this country. We got the worst of that deal!

Too bad your ancestors were so primitive that they were able to be caught like animals in a trap, and sold by Jews. Yeah, it sucked, and it was before my ancestors even came to this country, and is not the fault of anyone living today…nor is it a detriment to you. For you, since you did not have to endure it, but yet get to enjoy all of the benefits of living in civilization, it was a boon!

And I suppose Donald Trump's and Mark Fuckerberg's riches came from slaves? But of course, NBA players and rap "singers" riches don't, right?

Dude, you are just adding to the stereotypes about your people. And it's not a black or white thing. Walter Williams would kick your ass if you advanced your crazy arguments to him.

And stop the “racism” BS! It’s just an excuse.

Yellow people come here and prosper.
Brown people come here and prosper.
Black-skinned Indians come here and prosper.

Only you shiftless bastards who have been here for a few hundred years, lay around making babies and taking drugs, and then blame everyone else for your own problems.

Damn, nunzio, the depth of your ignorance, racism and attached intellectual deficiencies is concussive…
Not sure how to handle it… my people…? what is my people? no wonder the US is going down the drain… with folks like you, what hope is there to be found…:) ignorance, bigotry and anti-intellectualism, the trinity of the crumbling empire

Dear Nunzio,

“Only you shiftless bastards who have been here for a few hundred years, lay around making babies and taking drugs, and then blame everyone else for your own problems.”

That is a modern development, the result of the Great Society welfare state program.

Before that, as Sowell and Williams point out, black Americans were hard working, family values people.

Hi, Bevin!

What you say is largely true. It started even earlier than LBJ’s Great Society though; back under FDR and the establishment of welfare states. LBJ and the Civil Rights movement just put it on steroids.

Before the welfare states, things like divorce rates and single-parent homes among blacks were pretty much the same as they were among the rest of society.

That too was somewhat of an anomaly though- as the more common behaviors we see among blacks today, are more typical of their traditional behavior, as can be seen today in places in Africa where they still live in their traditional manner- where the men seem to spend most of their time pursuing intercourse or napping, while the women do whatever work gets done.

My cousin took a business trip to Kenya a while back. He was shocked by observing this behavior [I guess prior to that, he had believed the propaganda that “all people are the same”]- What he observed is pretty much exactly what the author of the following article did, only in Senegal:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

Well, being from senegal myself, nunzio, i can gladly tell you your story is bullshit. simple. And keeps reflecting how ignorant and dumb you are. take your advice to heart and type something on goggle, then read it. Racist, ignorant, doesn’t wanna learn…that’s typical American for you. No wonder this country is a shithole… with people like you? how could it not
be?

Yes, po. That is why you are here, instead of over there with your starving disease-ridden relatives in that filthy toilet- but you call this a shit-hole.

And I suppose it’s de ebil white man’s fault that the Senegalese live a few notches below the standards of the silverbacks?

It’s kind of ironic that you do not possess the capacity to appreciate the ludicrousness of your own remarks.

What do you call a Senegalese with half a brain?

Gifted.

So , nunzio, if living abroad is the standard for shitholiness, then why are more and more western folks flocking to africa, to senegal, to south america? the only conclusion is that the US is a shithole country… By that standard, again, Italy (where i suspect your ancestors came from) is a shithole country as Italians have emigrated to the US non-stop 🙂
I am a word citizen, which you don’t know what that is… I have lived in various places, and readying to move back to senegal… by the way, if you want to see what senegal looks like, go to the cia site and read up, or watch antony bourdain’s episode on senegal… as i keep saying, you are ignorant and bigoted, can’t see, can’t think and therefore can’t learn…
Additionally, africa was robbed of their fittest men and women for centuries, then occupied by the west which robbed them of their natural resources, then currently control their finances and their governments… as i said, the only legacy of the west is murder, destruction and mayhem… and now as you exemplifies so readily, ignorance and anti-intelectualism… when the shit hit the fan and you can’t find food, ring me up and I’ll host you in senegal.

Dear po, Nunzio,

The problems that plague all of us, regardless of race or nationality, are the handiwork of the globalist elites, not “mere mundanes” such as you and me.

We must not let them pit ourselves against one another like roosters in a cockfight, otherwise we are being played by them while they laugh behind our backs.

As 8 mentioned earlier, 9/11 was the signal for the NWO to implement its next phase of “divide and rule”.

Domestically it would pit SJWs against Alt-rights.

Internationally it would pit the US Imperium against Russia and China.

Don’t fall for it.

Sorry, po[s], I don’t consider the CIA nor TV shows a reliable source of information. (And he calls me ‘ignorant’! ROTFL!!!!).

I know people who have been to Africa- including my cousin.

Yep…just as expected, “It always be de white debils fault” Poor helpless jigaboos, always being victimized by everyone. Everything’s someone ele’s fault! Your plight is never the result of your own dysfunction, debased culture, and ignorance…..you’re just always the victim. Guess you’re not so “equal” after all.

Yeah, Mr. Peanut came to steal your freaking peanuts!

But you’re right. Anyone with any brains is leaving this country, as I will be myself. Some shit-hole in Sud America or Africa is preferable to a police state; and I can maintain my desired quality of life and standards where ever I happen to be- just as I’ve been doing since moving here to KY. You’re people, on the other hand, whether they’re living in an unmolested paradise or a highly civilized and prosperous society of abundance created by others, always default to the same primitive behaviors.

And let’s get our definitions straight: A police state is not necessarily a shit-hole. Comparing places like the US and Italy, where the standards of quality of life, health and culture have been among the highest in the world at any time, to places where people shit on the ground; where theft among themselves is a way of life, and is far worse than any robbery any foreign power could ever effect; and where they let their own kids starve to death because they don’t have the ambition or sense to even grow some vegetables, is the height of absurdity and foolishness- and only proves how desperate you are to try and deny the reality of your people’s ingrained culture.

Ah, Dear Bevin,

While what you say is technically correct, methinks that perhaps you have never lived among po’s people.

Sometimes, the “divide and conquer” you speak of, is accomplished merely my forcing divergent groups of people into contact with each other. (e.g.- just for one example: Obama’s plan to distribute minority welfare recipients into high-income areas).

And Obama’s plan is merely a rehash of similar past plans.

When I was a kid growing up on Long Island, many of my neighbors were poor working class whites who had to flee Brooklyn and The Bronx, because their once nice working-class neighborhoods, were ruined virtually overnight, when the local government erected housing projects and started inundating existing buildings with “minorities” by providing them with rent subsidies.

Literally overnight, these neighborhoods went from bustling safe low-crime areas, to dangerous garbage-strewn slums, where the original residents could not safely walk down the street.

These often poor whites had to walk away from their homes, as they became impossible to sell for any price, because the “minorities” did not have money to buy them with, nor the need, as all of their needs were provided for by the government.

My nearest neighbor when I was a child, was an older lady on Social Security, who walked away from her long-time home in Brooklyn, and was now living in a rented apartment, with no car in a place where was no “public” transit.

Her elderly brother remained in his home in Brooklyn, knowing that he would not have many options on his paltry income if he left.

He only lasted a few months. On the street right in front of his home, he was mugged for the few cents he had on him. The niggers knocked him down and ripped his pockets open to help themselves to his “valuables”- breaking his hip in the process. He died two months later from complications from the injuries.

Here are some images of what “they” turned that once-nice neighborhood into [and bear in mind, this place is within a few-mile walk of downtown Manhattan!), within 6-7 years.
http://allthatsinteresting.com/brooklyn-before-hipster-invasion

All this, merely by flooding an area with a certain group of people. We see the same type of plan being played out on a much larger scale now by diluting the culture here in America and Europe with Muslims- and while some generally aren’t a problem- e.g. the Turks- the black African Muslims are truly destroying every place they go to.

My point: Pitting people with cultures and value systems which are compatible, against each other, is all that is necessary for the elites to divide and conquer in that manner; for some of these bottom-of-the-barrel cultures are ready-made, and do not even need any manipulation in order to undermine and cause strife wherever they go. Couple that with an atmosphere which protects and elevates them, while at the same time neutering their host cultures, and there we have it.

I agree with you, Bevin. The problem is folks like nunzio who are doing the globalists bidding. If there is such a thing as a shithole country, it is because the globalists and oligarchs raped them dry, with the help and moral support of racists like nunzio who to “hat him” they yelled “how much?”. Who benefits when he goes aroudn using such vile racial epitheths? No thim, the dummy, but his masters who are laughing in the shadows as they the villagers looking for a monster to lynch. America has always relied on folks like nunzio to respond, white hooded or not, badged or not, uniformed or not…and a long as they exist, are willing to point finger and demean the other, it’s gonna keep sinking below the level of a shithole country.

As i keep saying, it is ironic nunzio asks me to use facts when the facts disagree with him so…:) Can someone here help me force him to read this? Perhaps he would comprehend a lil’ bit of it? https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/
some more reading for you…if you can read that is 🙂 http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/make-it-right/infographic-40-acres-and-a-mule-would-be-at-least-64-trillion-today

Dear Nunzio, po,

What’s revealing is that the real source of these clashes are Big Brother and the Nanny State, which deliberately undermine social order by throwing different subcultures into the same cockfighting ring, hoping to create chaos.

The chaos enables them to say “We must intervene”. At which time they have achieved their purpose, control over all of us.

Very true, Bevin.

The interesting thing will be, when certain subcultures which have been used to destabilize others and to create the “problem” for which the tyrants propose the “solution” [i.e. more “security”/tyranny] have achieved the goals for which those tyrants used them, and the tyrants then turn off the tap- i.e. the entitlements and special privileges on which they’ve become dependent; and or just stop shackling the rest of society, so that people may defend themselves against the savages, we will be looking at a wholesale disposal of some groups who are of no use to anyone, other than that of being used as a catalyst.

Po,

You don’t have a clue. Your enemy is the so-called elite. Not great bulk of people who’s ancestors came here in the 18th and 19th century. Who’s ancestors in some cases were socially ranked below black americans. The elite don’t care for their kind any more than yours.

When you demand from people for something that was before even their ancestors’ time here in the USA from them you’re only going to generate the hostility and infighting the so-called elite want.

Furthermore, culture makes most countries shitholes. Culture that breeds kepto and strong arm governments. Culture that breeds socialism.

The so-called elite have made relatively few countries into shitholes, they’ve preserved quite a few as shitholes, but most were and continue to be shitholes of their own accord.

The same is often true of neighborhoods in the USA.

If I may add to your excellent points, Brent:

OUR enemies are most often those who are the most controlled by the “elite”- be they members of our own cultures or others, who become mercenaries in the service of the hierarchy of the elite [the state] by becoming cops and soldiers and government workers; or be they mundanes who indiscriminately procreate and breed hoodlums and leeches and those who are easily controlled by the giving or withholding of free goods and services; or those who simply exist at the most basic level and create burdens and strife for all around them.

Things like social engineering and control are not overly complicated highly structured disciplines. They can quite easily be accomplished by making a few indirect appeals to most basic instincts of those at the shallowest end of the gene pool, and then just sitting back and giving them the space to follow their natural inclinations.

Certain groups of people resist control- like we Like we Libertarians and anarchists- since we value freedom and independence, and oppose the robbery of our fellow man, even if such robbery would benefit us. Other groups merely will take whatever is offered- and not give a thought to the privacy and freedom which they give up, nor to the robbery of their neighbors and even their own children that their participation in the Free Shit Army entails.

Nunzio while there are some actual enemies in the servant classes, the muscle carrying things out they are by large useful idiots. Useful idiots created through this scientific management of society.

You make a good point that social engineering isn’t that complicated. The basics go back thousands of years and modern advancements in it happened in the 1930s or before.

Earlier you mentioned neighborhoods being deliberately ruined. In the town neighboring the I grew up in a foundation (which I should trace because dollars to doughnuts it goes back to the so-called elite) and a paid off city government conspired to put up low income housing.

It’s one of those places that people of the wrong stock but considered ‘white’ today (but not a 120 years ago and still not by the powers that be) and middle class black people have hung on to. We’ve all been getting along for a 150 years now, and have the same enemy. The elite and the weaponized underclass.

The people fought back and were called racists of course. But it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the very thing the so-called elite concern themselves with, class and culture. More the later.

The people that are to be brought in will make a desert out of it. As is the plan from above. This shit isn’t done where the so-called elite live and work.

But ya gotta admit, it’s catchy! And much more understandable to the average person. (Where is Ed?)