Jefferson wrote that it is evil and tyrannical to force a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he despises.
Something far more evil and tyrannical is afoot. Or rather, being forced onto people’s faces.
The Diaper.
The thing itself is itself is merely sad. Its wearer – by choice – identifies himself as a person easily scared or very neurotic. A person who believes that death – as opposed to the cases! the cases! – is in the air rather than being transmitted over the air.
And that feelings prevent sickness.
If this person were thinking rather than feeling, he would not wear a dirty bandana over his face nor be calmed by the sight of others so attired. He would wear at least an N100 mask/respirator – something that is actually effective at “stopping the spread” . . . but which also costs a great deal more than a dirty bandana or a throw-away face condom.
Apparently, his life – and granny’s – isn’t worth the $25 or so it takes to buy an N100 or better device. Plus the goggles. Mustn’t forget them . . . assuming this isn’t about feelings.
But of course, it is about spreading submission – to an idea – by participating in a ritual.
By making everyone look the same the impression is conveyed that they think the same. Which serves to legitimize this sameness.
It also serves another, more despicable purpose. That being to make the thinking feel – by looking – foolish. When he knows better.
Precisely because he does know better. He must be made to submit in order to make it clear that they can make him.
To break him, in other words.
The Imposed Diaper is the visible symbol of the coerced submission of the thinking individual to an idea he finds foolish and absurd; it is no different than making an adult suck his thumb – or put his thumb in another place – as the price of being permitted to go out in public or go into a place of business.
It is done for the same reason that the gunnery sergeant in Full Metal Jacket made Private Pyle stand on his footlocker with a donut in his mouth except that gunny actually meant well in that he was trying to teach Private Pyle to be a good soldier.
Forced Diapering is about teaching people to be good slaves. We aren’t in boot camp. But we are very possibly headed toward concentration camps and if you think that’s a bit much, consider previous examples of people who were made to wear pieces of cloth. If you don’t want to go there, don’t put on the cloth now.
It is nothing like being expected to wear a shirt and shoes in order to be served – a fatuity put forth by some perhaps well-intended but not well-thinking defenders of property rights. Neither a shirt nor shoes are absurd, for openers. Nor the trappings of membership in what amounts to a religious movement one doesn’t want to join.
The absurdity of the thing carries with it a malevolent thing, which is the coerced pretending that it isn’t absurd. Which it obviously would be if people were left to to not Diaper because many who do think wouldn’t. This would increase the visibility of the absurd – and thereby make the absurd uncomfortable.
Which might prompt them to think rather than feel. To conquer their fear, spread over the air with a virulence the virus has never even fractionally approached.
Precisely what cannot be allowed to happen.
By forcing all to Diaper, the fear is maintained by making it appear reasonable. After all, everyone looks afraid. Surely there must a be reason to be afraid. The effect on children and young adults must be especially severe – and damaging.
The sight of the occasional Undiapered becomes a source of anger rather than a reproach. He is a danger – and it is true. A danger to the feelings of the fractured. The feeling that the fractured might look foolish.
That they’ve been had.
Which tends to make people mad – at those who conned them.
And that is why the con cannot be exposed – by making sure no one’s face is exposed. It explains the sudden, factually inexplicable push to get every American’s face behind a Diaper at just the moment when the facts would otherwise reveal the absurdity of forcing a Diaper on the gesichter of every person.
It is no different in principle than being compelled to put on an armband. The idea being to make it appear that everyone is part of the movement; and to isolate demoralize – and identity – those who aren’t part of it.
That is the danger of the Diapering at Gunpoint.
Because that is precisely where it will lead.
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I don’t see the goal as getting everyone to diaper up. That’s just a preliminary testing of the waters to see how gullible we all are. We can posture all we want to, but when you need that part for your car, and the establishment you patronize has the only one left, you’re going to diaper up rather than let your ride sit in the garage and collect dust.
I just read a really sick article on how these think tanks, the Rockefellers etc. are getting ready to take control of the entire food supply. They want everyone to stop going into grocery stores. You’re not going to know anything about where your food comes from or what’s in it. That includes fresh fruits and veggies which are already being genetically modified to contain vaccines. They’ve taken “let your food be your medicine” literally, and will soon have patents on prescription medications in your grocery store’s produce section. Better stock up on seeds before they run out.
Hi Schnarkle,
I’m no posturing. I’m not Diapering. And will not – ever. I mean it. And I “practice” it. This includes growing/raising my own food, if it comes to that. I have chickens and ducks and a garden. My neighbors and I are friends and exchange things we produce. Unless the bastards come for us, we can avoid the bastards and all their bastard plans.
I recommend everyone make plans accordingly.
Unless the bastards come for you. Hhhmmm, I remember this. It’s what I said after the bastards came for us. Since the state was lying and couldn’t make a case against us, they used the feds and as a fed attorney will tell you, YOu can’t beat the fed. So I asked WTF I was doing wasting my money on him. The reply, I will keep them from fucking you so bad.
Well, no doubt that’s what Martha was told. If you’re really wealthy, you might can draw it out with federal “lawyers”, all working their best to keep the govt off you, and now and then, they prevail.
If you ever get into it with govt. you’ll find no matter if it takes billions to fuck you, they will with unlimited funds. What else do they have to do? Not a damned thing.
My medical reason for no mask is OOD: Ovine Oppositional Disorder. I hate being around sheep or acting like one.
Marcus – this is brilliant! OOD. Let’s all use this!
Agreed! In fact, I was talking to a work colleague yesterday and brought this up. Thanks Marcus!
Another acronym that Eric references often with regards to cars, A.S.S., can be applied here as well. Anti-Sheeple Symdrome.
Shlomo. the psychopath, gets off on humiliation. By depriving us of our God-given right to breath, making us look the same, herding us like cattle, Shlomo is creaming our faces.
Demonic scum.
Hey cool – you’re using the phrase I use: “God-given right to breathe!” Ohio’s twirp Gov. (RINO) TODAY orders school kids to wear masks! Man – can’t even wait til school (or what passes for school) is in session.
How can I ever wear a mask when I can find NO evidence for a pandemic? I can find NO evidence that Covid even exists, except in the minds of the socialists, liberals, leftists, Democrats and Marxists. The deaths are mainly attributable to one or more immune system disruptions, several previous risk factors pertaining to health, a probable human altered protein that somehow can invade the lungs and mutate in a person susceptible to this danger. No alternatives are allowed to be discussed and that proves this is a FAKE panic! The vast majority of deaths have been in the elderly populations and some younger people with serious health issues…thus compromised immune systems. Even taking Big Pharma drugs can severely suppress your immune system and increase your risks. How can you make a vaccine for an unidentifiable virus (Covid-19)? Several highly respected and knowledgeable pathologists have stated that Covid does not exist. There are no markers from tests and autopsies that identify a specific “thing”. The vaccines will be as fake as the virus and will have a totally different purpose. And it won’t be to keep you healthy. Now, about the silly mask issue…it should not be a political hot potato, but TV encourages this and most people watch the TV news or get it from the social media news so that they know how to think, what to think and how to run their pitiful, ultra boring daily lives. Without the TV news, an entire new class of zombies would emerge. They might actually have a few brain cells capable of free thought…maybe.
And there’s no end in sight. Ohio officialdom is planning on an upsurge in the fall – continuing masking, prob. shut downs. Seeing far more compliant than otherwise…
My uber religious, conservative Trump train extended family are all donning the diapers. This isn’t just a liberal phenomenon. 😳
Hi Ana,
Terrible; the Sickness Psychosis spreads… even among people you’d think would know better. It was painful to see the Orange Man Diapered. He lent strength to his enemies.
There is method to Trumps madness. Given how terrified the corporate mass media’s endless fear porn, has made many people (especially many older ones) if masks make them feel safe enough to come out and vote, then that keeps part of Trumps base from staying home out of fear. Yes, its irrational, but since the fear exists, one has to deal with its consequences.
Hi BJ,
I’ve been meaning to look into whether a Diaper will be required in order to exercise the franchise. If so, Orange Man has lost my vote – because I won’t.
Here in Michigan in Tuesday’s primary election face diapers were “recommended but not required” in polling places, despite dictator whitmer’s face diaper executive order.
eric, regardless of what is required, I won’t diaper and will cite a health deference. They can’t ask due to the ADA and HIPPA laws. They can give you a dirty look and that’s as far as it goes.
I always thought HIPPA laws were good(get into it with an employer or the state and you’ll understand)and now I have another reason to like them, one of the few rights that remain.
There’s a misunderstanding that because of HIPAA, nobody can ever ask you anything about your medical conditions. Employers do not have to follow HIPAA unless they are in the medical care or medical insurance business:
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-individuals/guidance-materials-for-consumers/index.html?language=es
HIPPA protects you from everyone as long as you don’t sign anything, such as the thing you sign with your doctor. It’s completely private(hard to believe). A cop or an employer can pound sand.
There is a privacy form that is recognized by the National Health Institute you can get from a site that you can find on LRC via Bill Sardi. It will give your doctor your info but only if they accept it and they are playing with fire if they don’t accept it. We’re speaking of a law suit right off when they demand their own consent form and not this one.
It’s $13 for a double copy of 17 pages of legalese. It’s the best you can do. I’m tired or I’d look it up but it was on LRC again today or yesterday.
I hardly know what’s going on. I’ve had bad back problems the last two days and problems with things mechanical including a poison sprayer I barely held myself back from shooting this morning.
Sitting here about 1:30pm and noticed it was hot as hell. The outside unit wasn’t working. I drug myself to the breaker and turned it off. Thought about it a while, then went to get my electrical tools and meters. I limped out the front door and over to the unit I’d turned back on. I had a long screwdriver I was going to check the fan with to see it was locked up. I accidentally touched one of the wires going to it and the entire unit came on and started cooling and it’s been horrible hot all year long.
So I limped back in and tried to cool down a bit with a towel and cold water.
After it got a bit cooler a couple hours later so I went to wash out a dish and no water.
I knew my pressure tank was leaking but just couldn’t deal with it because of my back. No choice then so I went to look and water going everywhere but into the pipe for the house.
I got get some wrenches and the old lady to hold a bright light. I couldn’t break the compression joint loose so I just started cranking it out of the T that was made out of brass. I felt the galvanized pipe giving going into the tank and got it loose. Flipped the tank over onto a tire and it was a mess with the galvanized nipple black and twisted off into the tank. I needed a cap but found a valve and eventually got everything cleaned and the valve on without leaking but I’m now without a pressure tank. As I was messing with it the galvanized nipple that held the pressure gauge on just fell off, leaving the black grunge and dirt to plug the hole. Fine I’m thinking. I just open a valve at the back of the house and had enough water running inside to work with but didn’t want to leave it that way. I flushed out the incoming line and filled up a 5 gallong water jug with water, dirty water, so I dumped it out and ran it a few minutes and filled it with clean water. I’ve made countless trips from the pumphouse t o the house and am dying from back pain.
I don’t know if the fitting on the pressure tank is salvageable and am dead sure they won’t have a replacement. I’m just going to replace the 1″1/4″ pipe with 3/4″ Pex and to hell with it when I get a pressure tank back on. It might be days getting one but we’ve southern-engineered the water system before so no big deal. I don’t need hot water anyway but the 5 gallons is sitting on the endgate of the black pickup so it’ll be probably too hot for a shower but I learned to mix it nearly 40 years ago. Now if I could just get a pain killer or a bunch that would work. I have till Tuesday to think about how I’ll fix it but this will be the end of galvanized anything in the system. Brass or Pex or the high dollar SS are the only things that will last. And you think your water is hard……….
Hi BJ,
The Orange Man held a press conference in NJ the other day at which Undiapered were present – and he defended this. The Orange Glow waxes!
Today’s Kansas primary election. Every voter got his/her own personal ballpoint pen to keep. Even had a rubber tip to “sign” the computer screen. Every ballot covered by a “privacy” sheet, which was thrown away when the ballot was fed into the counting machine. I kept mine. Someday, this madness may be the subject of a museum exhibit and this would make an interesting artifact.
Once everyone has been taught to fear everyone else, who will be the first to take down the plastic shields?
As with Stalin. It is dangerous to be the first to stop clapping.
It not just “masks” that I find disgusting. I really dislike the 1984 news speak. My favorite is “social distancing”. What in God’s green earth is social about people getting as far away from each other as possible? 1984 news speak. Call it what it really is, “physical distancing”. By prepending the word, “social” that makes it Okay — NOT!
Exactly, I notice things like this too. It’s all total nonsense. But you see, the zombies like the word “social” because it’s associated with their ‘social media’. The school-trained zombies can’t think one layer/step beyond the surface of anything anymore — they pretty much believe anything they’re told, no matter how insane, because they can’t even think about it for 5 seconds to realize it’s insane. They’re like computers now — no matter how wrong the input is, they still accept it as truth, and do what they’re told.
It’s because “Social” is good: everybody freely working together toward the common good.
Just like Socialism.
Face diapers are nonsense bc clean tight cotton underwear and bluejeans dont deter vile smelling farts from spreading.
Face masks won’t stop halitosis by those heavy garlic eaters either like me. Maybe the garlic fumes will kill all types germs.
Laura, you must be smarter than you’re letting on. Garlic will kill virus and bacteria. I eat a small clove every morning(oh come on sugar, just a little kiss ha ha) and I do it for health. I’ll get plenty of garlic on something else later in the day. Like I heard a guy say the other day, if you can smell a fart with one on it’s not going to stop virus particles.
Would your “Garlic Aroma” level Tacoma? I thought that was reserved for a “Nasty Little Jewish Princess” as described in song by the late Frank Zappa.
Doug, hadn’t thought of that. I’m a Zappa fan and should have thought about it. Mud sh sh shark. The mud shark dancing lesson. Out, you go out, so far out, you do the mud shark baby. For 50 years before he died last year, we’d have something make us think of a Zappa song. Used to sing “A little arpeggio” to our dogs just to fire em up and make us laugh.
I was just reminded, I had a bit of left=over steak I cut some slivers off and put between two pieces of bread since I wrote that and I am garliced out right now. Had to clean and re-season my cast iron skillet my mother gave me when I went off to college. She had an ancient one and gave me a new, raw one somebody had given her. I learned a lot about cast iron quickly. One of my non-cooking sisters took her cast iron stuff and it’s probably never been used whereas we use cast iron nearly every day. Same skillet or the dutch oven with old oil I’m about to clean is going to cook supper, probably fried chicken. The dutch oven was bought as a fish fryer and I realized I didn’t have a lid for other things and then realized I had the perfect size griddle for a lid. With only 2 of us to cook for, we rarely use the 14″ skillet. I’ll use the wire basket for the chicken though.
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Clean the cast “Eye-Ron” cookware but do NOT use detergents, EVER! Old-fashioned “elbow grease” and plenty of water, then heat them up again to properly dry them, THEN apply cooking oil and re-heat just enough to “season”!
I have a cast iron pancake griddle and only scrape it clean, then wipe it down with a paper towel with a dab of Crisco. That PRESERVE the flavor for good pancakes!
Sometimes washing with soap is the ticket on things the like dutch oven that have oil sit in them. I dry them and get them hot enough to so I can’t hold a finger on the inside of the side, then put a small dollop of oil in them, stir it around till it’s covered, let it sit a minute to get that oil just hot enough to do soak into the pores. Then I pull it off and take a clean cloth and wipe it till there’s no oil left and it’s slick and smooth to the touch. At that point it’s perfect and no matter how long it hangs, it will never be sticky. I don’t need to wash the skillets with detergent and just get them clean with water, put in a dollop of oil and let it soak in while it’s hot for just a couple minutes then wipe it out once again to where it’s clean. It will be dry slick and ready to hang till the next use and still be dry and slick. The Dutch over is the only thing that’s never been used to the point of looking black, black since it doesn’t get heated up as high as the others. It may some day if I need it but it has a nice season on it anyway.
It’s obvious that the “coronavirus” epidemic is a sham of the highest proportion. It is totally political in nature, with “blue state” governors perpetuating business-damaging “lockdowns” in their respective states.
Both professional and political arrogance is responsible for the present state of the world economy and world population as well.
A common annual “flu virus” was promoted as a “pandemic” by the “smartest” and “best and brightest” people in positions of power, both in the USA and in the rest of the world. It’s actually a “plandemic” foisted on the American public to bring down the Trump administration. It will fail…
These “best and brightest” convinced political “leaders” to impose mandatory business closures, “lockdowns” and “quarantines” on healthy populations, which is contrary to every common sense and scientific principle.
These “business closures” were not imposed “across the board”, but were picked by political hacks as “winners and losers”. Liquor stores, marijuana dispensaries, lottery retailers, and certain “big box” home improvement and sporting goods stores were permitted to remain in operation, while churches and just about all small businesses were forced to close.
In some states, the political arrogance was so great, plant nurseries, seed distributors, and other businesses were deemed “non-essential” and forced to close. Even “big box” stores were prohibited from selling lawn and garden supplies. Many restaurants were also put out of business by these clearly unconstitutional edicts.
Imposing “quarantines” and “lockdowns” on healthy people does nothing to insure public health, and in fact delays necessary herd immunity.
Public health is further damaged by business closures, especially small businesses whose owners rely on continuing business as a means of making a living, both for themselves and their employees.
A major problem is that these “best and brightest” and political “leaders” are so arrogant that they refuse to admit that “they screwed up, big time”. Instead, they “double down” and inflict further pain on the public by refusing to insist that “they were wrong”. None of them will pay personally for their arrogance, stupidity, and just outright dishonesty and criminality.
All one has to do is look at the “coronavirus hospitals” that were created to handle the “overflow” of coronavirus patients which never materialized. These “hospitals” were a waste of taxpayer dollars and did absolutely nothing to promote public health.
At the same time, local hospitals were required to cease admissions, even for those of an emergency nature. Although not specifically stated, people with real health problems were covertly “encouraged” to avoid hospitals at all costs because of the phony “coronavirus” claims.
Health professionals are also responsible for the current state of affairs, also refusing to admit that “they screwed up, big time” as well, and continue to insist that this annual flue is a “pandemic”.
Then we have the “heavy hitters” with money, such as Bill Gates and Stephen Fauci who claim that they have “solutions” to our (artificially contrived) health problems. Gates is so arrogant the he feels that he can get away with genocide by using mandatory vaccinations to “cull” the world population.
Gates “vaccination” programs in third-world countries failed to adhere to good medical practices, and the Nuremberg principle that “informed consent” must reign supreme in the administration of all medical procedures.
Gates’ “vaccination” programs introduced polio into children in India for which he and his program were banned from the country. Gates’ African “vaccination” programs surreptitiously introduced sterilization and birth-control compounds as part of their vaccination program without gaining “informed consent” from the recipients.
According to these moneyed types and even “health care” officials, we are to be branded, tagged, and treated like cattle with no means to make informed choices about our health or health care decisions.
Wearing masks and “social distancing” are no different than the “security theater” that we experience at airports with the TSA.
It’s “medical tyranny” at its best and scientific dishonesty at its worst.
There are no valid reasons for “mask-wearing” or “social distancing” for healthy people. In fact, in the coming months, look for an increase in respiratory illnesses affecting mask-wearers, especially those who are forced to wear masks for extended periods of time. In hospital settings, masks are supposed to be worn for only 10 minutes at a time before they are replaced.
“Lockdowns”, “business closures”, and “quarantining” of healthy people is being used for “control” and nothing more. The “powers that be” are desirous to see “how far they can go” to get the world population to accede to their demands.
Fortunately, there are a lot more of us than there are of them. We (still) have the power of the internet to bypass the “filters” that they put in place to keep us from seeing their “real” motives.
Hi Eric
The only thing missing in your article is a reference to the body snatchers movie, the scream part when Donald Sutherland sees the girl … who is not wearing a mask!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP_SdjD5ms
Hi Miami,
Yup; all of those dystopian sci-fi movies of the ’60s and ’70s were prequels…
As was 1993’s “Demolition Man”, where the residents of the fictional megalopolis of “San Angeles” wear long, flowing clothing that covers just about all the skin (presumably due to deterioration of the ozone layer which was the scaredy-cats fave predicted calamity of the time), and where gasoline, salt, sugar, meat, cigarettes, and screwing a then 28 y.o. Sandra Bullock are deemed “bad for you”, hence prohibited, but you can see a naked, comely blonde with just her bath towel strategically placed on some form of life-sized videophone display. The only upside is that the SAPD are a bunchy of wimps (hint: Bullock’s character is a LIEUTENANT) whom have no concept of kicking ass on the street.
Thank you Eric. If we insist on freedom of speech for ourselves, it has to also be extended to those we disagree with. That used to be such a fundamental principle, that just about everyone agreed with it. But that was before the Progs and their Big Tech censorship started. It has well been said; “When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
Which is the entire point of so called “hate speech” laws.
I thought Covid19 was BS at first, but it’s not. Masks can trap *some* virus on the way out, and definitely shortens the length of exhalation streams. Considering how easily the virus spreads and its unpleasant array of effects, the mask isn’t that much of a sacrifice. I don’t like that executive fiat and not laws were enacted to demand that people wear them, and would certainly prefer voluntary compliance, but some (perhaps many) selfish asymptomatic carriers of the disease would happily infect others without the slightest care.
“mass infection” is necessary to allow the virus to “burn itself out”. It’s called “herd immunity” and is actually being delayed by the imposition of the wearing of face diapers.
Sweden did NOTHING and are better off as a result.
Hi Stephen,
Let’s start by defining what “BS” is. Is there a virus? There seems to be. I won’t argue that point. Is it the black death – or anything close to that? No, obviously it isn’t. Not with a known – and hence, not BS – fatality rate less than 1 percent for the general public. If you want BS, observe the disingenuous way that the cases! the cases! is being spread without the context … of deaths. Which are almost nil outside of the normal annual number of elderly and already sick people who die from one thing or anther thing each year and will continue to whether people wear Diapers or not.
Let me ask you a serious question. Do you think everyone should be wearing actual Diapers because some people have/get dysentery or are incontinent?
“Is there a virus? There seems to be.” Have a look at this: https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/
Take a walk through the comments. Maybe, just maybe, our collective understanding of what a virus is is incorrect. Well, some say, Uncle Joe had it and he died, so there’s your proof! That there may be other explanations for why people get sick is never considered in this paradigm of germ theory. Why, it’s common knowledge, we argue. It’s only common knowledge because some one said so. Is that proof? The big pharma model is based upon germ theory, which should give pause to anyone interested in finding the truth.
If the above article is correct, then this mask business must be something else. A very ugly something else. The problem is with the true believers. I run into them all the time. They don’t want to hear about the science. They get their info from the TV, and that’s good enough for them, thank you very much. And that’s a conundrum, because it won’t be the informed that drag us into a dystopia, it’ll be the willfully ignorant, the followers and the I’m doing it for the other guy people. “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” Kay-Men in black.
Death is not the only metric. Hospitalization — with or without intubation (which is seriously bad) — is another. The fear of hospitals stressed beyond capacity — and staff getting infected — was, I feel, the main driver here. (“Flattening the curve” still seems like a good idea to me.) If we hadn’t locked down, etc. we’d likely still have had businesses shut down and go under, as perhaps millions of people got the disease.
Sure, we could all just expose ourselves to the virus and take our chances, I suppose, but one characteristic of this one seems to be that immunity isn’t permanent. So we could just cycle through it again and again. If masks and distancing has a positive effect of even 10%, I think it’s worth trying. For how long, I don’t know.
Dysentery is spread via food and water and incontinence isn’t spread person-to-person, so no, we wouldn’t need Depends.
Hi Stephen,
“…but one characteristic of this one seems to be that immunity isn’t permanent”.
Again, this is a claim being made that lacks any definitive evidence. Sure, it could be true, but that has not been shown. This claim seems to have originated from this, non peer reviewed study, that claimed immunity MAY only last for months.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1
That, and a lot of speculation based on anecdotal experience, does not justify your above claim. I have found no evidence of a single, documented case of reinfection anywhere in the world. One article hyping this narrative even admitted, in the last paragraph, that there was no evidence that a single person has been reinfected. Anyway, nobody knows for sure, but it is not likely that people are getting reinfected.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-reinfection-immune-response
“If masks and distancing has a positive effect of even 10%, I think it’s worth trying. For how long, I don’t know”.
If lock-downs that are cratering the economy result in hundreds of thousands of excess deaths, should that not factor into the calculation? Is a life lost to Covid worth more than a life lost to the response? Unlike the speculative, positive effects of the, heretofore unprecedented response, the negative effects of economic devastation are well understood in the economics literature. There is a strong correlation between increased unemployment and excess mortality. At current unemployment levels, it is likely that excess mortality will reach 125,000. It will almost certainly get worse.
Jeremy
Hi Stephen,
Certainly – but it’s a major one, yes? Death, I mean. If 99-plus percent recover, what’s the problem? Or rather, how do you justify destroying the economy, destroying people’s lives… over a bug that maybe makes some people who get it sick for a few days or a couple of weeks?
You do not regard that as . .. crazy?
And in re the rest: Define it – again. The problem is, we can’t – there’s so much . .. BS going around. Just as “cases” can be practically anything – or are counted as such – so also “hospitalizations.” Does that mean anyone whop goes to the hospital? For what, precisely?
We certainly know that hospitals have not been “overwhelmed” – the original excuse for the lockdowns, now supplanted by new excuses. Which really ought to trouble you.
I’ve been “taking my chances” since this whole thing began and, somehow, this “especially virulent, highly infectious” virus has not given me so much as the sniffles. In any event, the fact remains that the mortality rate is less than 1 percent vs. the general population, essentially nil for children and the healthy.
If you think it is reasonable to imprison the population, impose Diapering, etc. on that basis then why not also for ordinary influenza outbreaks? These present a danger to the elderly and the already sick, too.
It’s a serious question.
I submit that it’s morally outrageous – and incredibly dangerous – to treat people as presumptive lepers by forcing them to wear a Diaper because it might have a positive effect of even 10 percent.
Why not 5? Or even 1?
What is the criteria for justifying this sort of mass imposition in the name of “might”?
All flattening the curve really accomplishes is prolonging the situation, and keeping the infection cycle going in perpetuity. Look, the reality is the virus is here and it’s a fool’s errand and height of human arrogance to think we can isolate ourselves, wear face diapers, and buy groceries online and make it go away. It’s biology – the virus wants to infect people, and needs to do so in order that it can mutate itself into less virulence and that it can instill a protective herd immunity. Sorry to say, millions need to get infected or it will never go away.
Vaccine ain’t happening. According to GISAID, there are already 50,000 different strains of this virus. How can they possibly expect a vaccine to provide immunity against 50,000 virus genetic variants? Answer, they can’t – even if it works and is safe (a dubious proposition at best), it’s going to miss most of those strains. The best defense is your own immune system, which is built for just this type of thing.
Don’t fall for that crap that immunity isn’t permanent. Antibodies last in the blood a couple of weeks and then go away – that’s not a/the metric of permanent immunity. It’s B Memory and T Memory cells that provide you with lifelong immunity. They know this, but the agenda and narrative at work won’t let it see the light of day.
If “18 days to flatten the curve” had any validity at all it was in late winter/early spring when people in most of the US didn’t have access to adequate sunlight and fresh air. Doing it now will result in more people infected (assuming that it is real, which I don’t) during late fall and winter when conditions for upper respiratory illness are naturally worse.
Stephen, to be blunt, people die. If the claimed 155000 in the US has actually died of COVID-19, that is 155000 individual tragedies. I hope it’s not one of your or my loved ones, but we all owe a death.
It’s not unusual- it tracks very well as “natural causes”. That 155,000 dead is 0.047 percent of the population, and about 1% of the whole population dies every single year. If you go looking, you will find charts where all cause fatalities plummet at the same time deaths supposedly due to COVID spike- and by the same amount. This is graphical, statistical proof that there is no COVID epidemic and that people are dying of natural causes.
Another thing to look at is that natural causes deaths increase rather dramatically with age- just like alleged COVID deaths. Under 50 it is a tiny fraction of 1%. From 50-60, more of us die, from 60-70, a lot more, from 70-80, more yet. The median age of an alleged COVID death is 80 in the US, and similar around the world.
In short, if you’re afraid of an invisible demon (the traditional name for an invisible virus), and you believe that a mask talisman will protect you, then feel free to wear it. But I believe the whole panic is a product of the father of lies and the mask is a beast mark, do NOT think you’re going to force me to wear it.
Bingo Ernie. In any given year the U.S. experiences around 3 million deaths from all causes. So even if every word about this was true regarding 155,000 attributable deaths in 6 months that is but a public health footnote. So extrapolated to 300,000 that means 1% of normally expected deaths. This wouldn’t even be statistically significant enough to call “excess deaths” as we’re within measurement margins of error. All of this is 100% unadulterated bullplop.
Hi Stephen,
I’s almost like a collective insanity has descended upon the world. Until a few months ago, it was well understood in the scientific community that masks provide little or no benefit to the wearer or to others. Suddenly, this established understanding disappeared, not due to any new, credible evidence, but because the “old science” contradicted the current narrative. Even weirder, those who point this out are dismissed as anti-science conspiracy theorists.
Here is the CDC analysis of RCT’s from 1946 – 2018, released in May of 2020.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20”.
Note the RR of 0.78, which means that the studies showed a statistically insignificant negative effect (more likely to get sick).
Here’s an article from the BMJ,
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1422
From the article, according to the WHO,
“there is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including covid-19. Wearing masks in the community can also give people a false sense of security, it said, and lead to them neglecting other measures, such as hand hygiene and physical distancing”.
There have been NO recent, credible studies contradicting the well established science of the last 70 years. There have been many claims and assertions made, again without evidence, as well as mathematical models that claim a benefit for mask wearing, but none of it is based on actual randomized case trials.
There is no current evidence that “asymptomatic carriers” are infecting other people, this is an assumption, lacking evidence, that is put into models, which produce the desired political result. The little research that has been done suggests that asymptomatic transmission is “very rare”. The only “evidence” that suggests that asymptomatic transmission is likely, IS NOT EVIDENCE at all. Models are predictive tools that examine likely outcomes, in a constrained environment, given certain assumptions. The usefulness and reliability of any model depends entirely on the validity of the assumptions built into it. Model predictions are not evidence of the embedded assumptions, yet they are being touted as if they are.
Asymptomatic transmission of Covid19 is an unproven hypothesis, treated as an established fact, for the purpose of undermining the overwhelming scientific evidence that masks provide little or no benefit. Healthy people cannot infect other people but, if everyone might be sick, then everyone must act is if they are or be deemed “selfish asymptomatic carriers of the disease who would happily infect others without the slightest care”. This is pathological and is destroying civil society. The lockdown hysteria is causing enormous harm that will likely exceed the harm caused by the virus. Excess deaths are only part of it; the loss of trust and healthy social interaction cannot be valued economically, yet is vitally important nonetheless. There is also the tragedy of the elderly, hundreds of thousands of whom will die alone, confused and wondering why they have been abandoned by family and friends. I just experienced this tragedy. Concern for this is not selfish, it is the lifeblood of a healthy society, which is collapsing before our eyes.
Jeremy
Jeremy,
I just read the CDC article you noted, and it certainly supports your argument. However, I quote this from it:
“We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.
“It is essential to note that the mechanisms of person-to-person transmission in the community have not been fully determined. Controversy remains over the role of transmission through fine-particle aerosols (3,46).”
So, I’d counter that the possible salutary effect on “other infections” and that “transmission through fine-particle aerosols” is at least possible is worth *something*. At lot of things in life are trade-offs, yes? Perhaps we can agree that the “experts” are hoping that the *something* is a reduction, however small, in Covid 19 transmission. Maybe the trade off — masks, etc. for that reduction — is worth it. Hopefully time will tell….
Hi Stephen,
“Possible salutary effects” is the same as saying maybe there is chance it will help. You know – like putting your hands on the TV and saying praise Jesus.
No evidence – just maybe – an assertion of possibility. This is a reasonable basis for forcing everyone in the country to put on a Diaper? What about the very real non-salutary effects of that? Such as the demoralizing/depressing effect of seeing what appears to be terrified/sick people everywhere? Terrifying kids?
The alienating effect of not being able to see people’s faces?
C’mon.
Hi Stephen,
I’d like to ask you to think about your position but in terms of cars. Should everyone be forbidden to drive faster than 10 MPH because it might reduce annual fatalities by 10 percent?
Serious question.
It won’t reduce fatalities at all, and would constitute an unreasonable interference on “Happy Motoring” akin to the 19th-century “Red Flag” laws in the UK. Promulgated for concerns of S-A-A-A-A-F-T-E-E-E (sound familiar?) they were intended to curb development and deployment of on-road motor vehicles that competed with horse-drawn liveries and stages lines and the railroads which already had a monopoly in the UK as well as “across the pond”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws
Amen, Doug – I was trying to make a point for Stephen’s benefit about an asserted benefit requiring absurd impositions to be “maybe” achieved.
I will also ask that when does it end? the answer NEVER. The charade is a bit comical and quite sad to be believed with ignorant sheep like you going along with it. Baaa Baaaaaaa
Exactly, Mark3. That’s the question I want to ask every mask scold. But I would put it more bluntly: How long are you going to keep wearing that thing?
Six months? A year? Ten years? The rest of your life? There will always be viruses around that are at least as destructive as this one.
Stephen, if you lived in the real world and had a lick of sense you’d realize the emotional response and the psychological problems with separate and divide will kill well more people than any disease. In fact, what they’re doing to the country with over 50,000,000 people out of work is going to destroy the country in every way.
I suppose you have enough money to get by. Good for you. There’s 10,000,000 people for every person like you that don’t have any money, a hundred million probably don’t have two cents to rub together.
Most of the ones panicked by COVID-19 and bleating “you don’t have the right to ‘infect’ ME!” are either on some form of Government payments, or supported otherwise by SOMEONE ELSE. A few are actually financially self-sufficient.
Hi Stephen,
“So, I’d counter that the possible salutary effect on “other infections” and that “transmission through fine-particle aerosols” is at least possible is worth *something*. At lot of things in life are trade-offs, yes?”
It is interesting that you write this, as honest discussion about trade-offs has been entirely absent from this “discussion” from the start; even bringing it up brought down the wrath of the ignorant and the opportunistic alike (“you’re putting profits over people, blah blah blah”), suggesting that those orchestrating the response did not want this discussion to occur.
So, let’s examine those trade-offs. Much was unknown at the beginning of this; how virulent, how deadly, how contagious, etc…? But, this is true of every novel virus that may “kill us all”. Yet, despite the inherent uncertainty, we were told that we knew that this virus was especially dangerous and thus warranted, a heretofore unprecedented response, the benefits of which were speculative at best. We were told to take seriously the wildly implausible claims of Neal Ferguson and Imperial college London, despite his perfect track record of hyperbolic and extremely inaccurate predictions. We were told that the lock-down measures were necessary despite the lack of any evidence of their effectiveness.
But, the negative consequences of such policies were well known at the time. Huge increases in unemployment, and the correlated rise in excess mortality, more suicides, more depression, more substance abuse and overdoses, many more children plunged into extreme poverty, delayed or cancelled health care, etc… All of this has been studied, yet discussion of this side of the trade off was mostly non-existent, or openly criticized. So no, the possible salutary effects of policies with unknown benefits, does not justify imposing policies known to cause extreme harm.
Jeremy
It’s been obvious since day one Stephen is only here to argue nonsensical topics with people he knows will disagree but still, he keeps trying to make very ignorant points.
Stephen would go out of his mind watching a car race. They’re dangerous and at any time you could be killed.
If he went on the job with me or RK he’d shit a brick. We’d both be doing very dangerous things and collecting a paycheck for it. Never mind he couldn’t survive without a huge amount of people doing those jobs.
I’m sure he has plenty to argue about the transmission of electricity and the transmission of goods as being too dangerous and we should dig a hole, eat roots and hope for the best. No viruses anywhere else but these places that are making big money with this corona bs.
Hi Eight,
I don’t think so. Stephen has not been hostile or dismissive and he expresses a preference for voluntary action over mandates. I believe his questions and comments are genuine, but based on misleading, one-sided and inaccurate information. Most do not know that many scientists, far more qualified and credible than Fauci, Birx or Ferguson, have convincingly challenged the official narrative. How could it be otherwise? These voices do not appear in mainstream media, nor do they have the ear of those in power. It takes effort and time to discover these people, evaluate their claims and distinguish hysterical propaganda from honest analysis.
To me, Stephen seems honest, but poorly informed. It seems clear that he has not done much independent research on the topic and accepts, at face value, the dominant narrative presented by the elite class. I am encouraged that Stephen recognizes that life requires trade offs, and I sincerely hope that he finds the experts on this topic courageous enough to have this discussion.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Good try on “Gaslighting” the group … but it’s become Very clear that the masks being touted or recommended have no value in the virus arena – the mask manufacturers are VERY clear on this as many many other reputable resources are stating this …
Walter, the wife and I were waiting out back at the doctor a month ago when FedEx truck pulled up and dropped out a box. There were two squares printed on it, one with N95 and the other with N99 and both were marked with a check mark.
On the side of the box was printed “These masks won’t prevent corona virus”. Manufacturer covering their ass.
Eight, thats the same reason that ladders, plastic bags, beds, and just about anything that could result in litigation has multiple warning labels. ^^
Both N95, N99 and P100 have their uses.
But the silly “face coverings” being used by the vast majority, are pure psych op. They are simply virtue signaling devices. They mark off the “socially responsible” people, from those who want to kill our grand parents… ^^ At this point, those who have been frightened into irrational behavior, have to be looked at as a dangerous herd. If this continues, it will not end well.
BJ, not all the boxes have anything on them. Here’s the cherry on the top. Sitting in the lab waiting to get poked, I noticed a heavy plastic bag full of both types that had a stencil on the outside “Do not throw away, reuse”. That threw me for a loop. Just how the hell to masks that various people have used for various purposes. I was trying to figure the odds of those being somehow sterilized. It didn’t seem likely and I forgot to ask the tech what the deal was on them. I should have been taking pictures but was too astounded to do it.
Eight, there actually are ways to properly decon those types of masks. One is a special UV system (very intense). Another uses high pressure misted hydrogen peroxide. Most times its best to just treat them as bio hazard waste, and proper dispose of them. But with the on going shortage of PPE, many get reused.
Some of those factories are being rebuilt here, but its going to take time to get them up to speed.
The techs helping me have been using those little pleated green masks like I have to wear in the lab. I don’t worry about.
It’s effect is LIMITED, as it will ATTENUATE passing of water vapor droplets that the virus is carried in…it’s not IMPERMEABLE. If it were, you’d SUFFOCATE.
It’s a plague so deadly you don’t know you’ve had it until you get the lab test back.
The masking has direct parallels with racism. “Not like us” is something to fear and hate. Remarkable how we have largely managed to overcome the instinctive fear and hate of other races, yet succumb at the first hint of “not like us” when it comes to masks.
I actually have a military respirator with their more effective filters. It’s actually more comfortable to wear that what most are wearing, though I have only worn it once since buying it. After reading this article, I’m wondering where I can get masks with the yellow star on it. I’m not Jewish. It might cause cognitive dissonance in some people.
I dunno. Find out what those Nazi guards and their Polish/Ukranian lackeys were eating or what was in their DNA, because they worked around HYDROGEN CYANIDE which, according to Holocaust mania, was strong enough to kill everyone in these tightly packed “gas chambers” (which had no gasketing for the doors or windows, no negative pressurization, and other measures to stop leakage of the deadly gas) within 30 minutes. Just look up the L100 value for HCN for human beings, then the partial pressure and sublimation rate of HCN from “Zyklon-B”, which was a fairly common insecticide (used to kill lice that carried typhus) used in Europe even before WWII. How the guards and “Sonderkommando” (often jewish camp inmates) survived repeated gassing events is medically remarkable…dare I say, FICTIONAL.
Hi Doug,
This is a very strong argument – and I agree that BS (as Stephen says) is in the air in the sense that what was done to the Jews was exaggerated in terms of the numbers and probably also the methods. But it’s clear the intent was there – and efforts were made. That said, I wish more attention were focused on what Stalin did – and Mao, too.
No defense of Hitler – but both of them were far worse in every way than Der Fuhrer… .
Careful there Eric! You wouldn’t want to be called “anti semitic” would you? Thats the typical smear used against those who point out that Hitler was very much out classed by both Stalin and Mao, in the mass murder department.
Ah, but they have always been given a pass, by their fellow travelers on the Left. Not to mention, that Hitler killed a lot of the official Victim class.
All three are world class psychopathic monsters, and should remain for all time, as examples of the extremes that are possible under collectivist rule.
Compared to Stalin and Mao, Der Fuhrer was a cheap imitation, a knock-off despot.
Hi Doug,
Yup – and a softie. He generally fired/retired his generals. Stalin executed them. He didn’t kill people at random, to keep everyone in line. He just killed a select group of identifiable enemies. Staling and Mao were much more efficient.
Based on testimony from the last days of Hitler in the Fuhrerbunker by his generals and staffers, when confronted with the news that SS-Obergruppenfuhrer Steiner’s kampfgruppe had not attacked as ordered (due to simply having way too few troops, equipment, and supplies to have any chance at all), Hitler supposedly screamed that he should have liquidated the Heer GeneralStaffen, similar to the purge of the Red Army that Stalin had done in the late 1930s. While that, as one Russian historian put it, carved the very brains out of the Soviet military, it made way for a cadre of younger, energetic officers like Zhukov, Konev, and Chuikov that led the Soviet Army to victory in the “Great Patriotic War”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWmkwaTQ0k
Hi Douglas,
Yup. Stalin was a bastard, all right – but the kind of bastard you never want to come up against. He was rational, calculating and – worst of all, if you opposed him – capable of acknowledging a point and acceding to sound counsel. He knew Zhukov knew better than he how to conduct a war – and deferred to him. Had Hitler listened to Manstein, the rout in the east might have been halted; it is even possible that most of 6th Army at Stalingrad might have been saved.
hitler was a horrible military strategist and his country pays the price to this day. its like he was trying to lose. the only reason the invasion of france worked is becauase guderian ignored his orders to slow dowm. he was able to prevent a final end to the war at dunkirk however by letting 300,000 british troops escape. And he later dismissed Guderian the very best commander alive in Russia as well as von bock. the germans never had a chance.
Hi Mark,
Yes, I’m familiar with these and other blunders made by the chief.I’ve also read that he dismissed a peace overture made by Stalin via the Bulgarian embassy that would have ceded most of the Ukraine and the Baltic states to Germany but ignored it, thinking he’d already won the war. I agree, though, that he lost the war at Dunkirk. Had the Germans captured or destroyed the BEF, Britain could not have stayed in the war.
Not simply “Schnell Heinz” Guderian or even Erwin Rommel, whose “Ghost” Division (7th Panzer) would conveniently get “lost” as it forayed well into the Allied rear and raised merry hell, but the primary credit for the stunning victory in the West in 1940 for Germany should fall to Erich Von Manstein. He incurred the wrath of the General Staff by identifying flaws in the original plan, as it was basically the same one they’d attempted in 1914 and which the French Maginot line and their disposition of forces was intended exactly to counter. His superior, Gen. Halder, had Manstein transferred to a corps-level command on the Baltic Sea near Steittin (now the Polish city of Szczecin) to “punish” him for his impudence. Still, Hitler saw the merits of Manstein’s plan and eventually it was adopted. As for the hawk-nosed obstinate general, his corp did see action, committed as a follow-up after the initial armored breakthrough at Sedan on May 15th, 1940. During “Fall Rot” (Case Red), the final phase to defeat France, his XXXVIII Korps effected the first breakthrough at the River Seine (the French had resisted firmly for four days and nearly broke the German attack) at Aimens and Rommel’s “Ghost Division” exploited it and drove straight to the port of St. Valery-en-Caux, resulting in the capture of the vaunted British 51st “Highland” Division and its C.O., MG Victor Fortune.
Morning, Douglas!
Your knowledge of the war’s progress is masterful, impressive – thank you! One of the scenarios I wonder about is what might have happened had the Germans captured – not destroyed – the BEF in a manner that didn’t humiliate much less punish the men captured. A parley offering decent treatment and repatriation after an armistice; the officers perhaps permitted to keep their sidearms and the lot kept not in harsh camps but maintained decently until they could be returned to England. This all in keeping with Hitler’s affection for the British people. Would such decent treatment have softened resolve back in Britain to continue with the war? Forced Churchill out – and Halifax in?
In any event, what happened was just as Hitler prophesied: The death of a great empire. I believe even Churchill agreed with this postwar. I read somewhere that he said “we stuck the wrong pig” – meaning Germany rather than Soviet Russia.
Indeed.
The war was supposedly fought to stop German expansion; because the Germans had occupied Poland and other eastern nations. At the end of the war, Soviet Russia occupied not only Poland but half of Germany and all of eastern Europe. What was the net gain, exactly?
So rats and lice etc can carry/have germs but THEY LIVE, yet we humans who are stronger in every way and live alot longer, are going to die from the same germs? Doesn’t that make you wonder about the whole germ theory? The germ theory is a perfect “boogie-man” excuse for dictators to do bad things to the masses, it’s just too convenient. Everyone believes the whole world/universe is a dangerous place and everything is trying to kill you. But that’s not true. We’re biological beings, nature & the world keeps us alive & healthy, not the other way around.
Any government, any government at all, which is powerful enough to make everyone wear a face mask is also powerful enough to make anyone wear a yellow star, a scarlet letter, or a burqa.
The same argument applies for helmets, seat belts, and vaccines and is absolutely true. Freedom means being able to say f@%k off to a government thug and make it stick.
This is the Winston and Julia scenario. Eyes meet above the mask. Are you one too? BLM signs have proliferated on the lawns and in the yards of this tony white progressive community. “Where is your, comrade?” My friends, who get their news and opinions, from NPR and MSNBC believe the hype. Few of us are in a position to suffer the ostracism that comes from setting ourselves up as the target on which the community may project its fear, hostility and, in the extreme, its blood lust. When the Dems take over, we may be excused from wearingder gelbe stern in exchange for something worse.
Hi Imbroglio,
One thing I’ve ben doing religiously, you might say, is to approach other Undiapered people and speak with them. To let them know thy are not the only sane person left in the country. I have also begun speaking with people in my orbit who are sick of all of this – and making preliminary preparations to come to one another’s aid, should that become necessary.
I urge others to consider doing similar.
The Branch Covidians is the most disturbing movement I’ve ever seen in my life. Amazingly, the psychosis is spreading and escalating, even as the nature and extent of the Hoax is increasingly evident! I just, I don’t know what to say. Going to the store I’m literally the only one not diapered.
Zach!
Branch Covidians is brilliant! The only flaw with it is the Branch Davidians weren’t trying to force others to join their group; they were weird, perhaps – but as far as I could tell they just wanted to be let alone and be among themselves, which I of course fully support and defend. I was appalled when that creature Janet Reno burned them to death like the SS did the Warsaw ghetto in 1944.
eric, Brand Covidians is right on the money. Look at this shit and tell me it’s not going to be a shooting war. Ah, and since it’s the oldest in the population, it’ll be easier than ever up against my old ass.
Funny that, joining and “army” can be anything and for me, joining an army that really might be engaged in armed warfare with inferior weapons is just what I wanted for my “golden years”, that aren’t even silver or copper. But this article and video should make everyone stop and think. It would appear I will be forced to build lots of small fenced garden plots, disguised under the trees to survive.
Hell, I already invited 5 guys to come live here and bring a camper or trailer house(by far the best)since it appears the renter and I will need guards on the perimeters. But the worst thing to happen to us may not be starving people but cattle disguised as something else. Yall won’t believe this but considering the source, you won’t have a hard time believing it at all.
https://lewrockwell.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6ad24f4cd1574f1f7b8a0a03a&id=48cafdea0e&e=62e95e6f13
SS-Obergruppenfuhrer actually accepted the surrender of the Polish “Home Army” and its commander, Gen. Bor-Komorowski, as, while his SS units had no compunctions about executing hostages or Polish partisans, he didn’t want to massacre the remaining Polish civilians whom sheltered in the ruins of Warsaw along with the AK, though they even had the 61 cm Mortar “Thor” to lob oversized shells into the Home Army’s positions.
What makes this even more infuriating is that the Soviet Army was just 20 miles away and stood by while the entire tragedy played out.
I’ve been using mask witnesses because they are pushy control freak religion. I know it’s not great, but until I come up with something better….
The Branch Davidians were just a bunch of weirdos doing their own thing on their own dime and no threat to anyone. Only an affront to those that demand conformity. Any guns they had were probably because they understood what happens to weirdos in the land of the free.
They Branch Davidians were a move by the FBI and BATFE to show they weren’t going to allow people to live free. They used the excuse they were buying guns to convert to full auto. They went through the debris with a fine tooth comb and had there been an illegal gun they’d have been shouting it from the rooftops.
They tipped their hand and showed they cared nothing about anything but stopping people from not being scared of them. They could have stopped their leader any day and asked to see their firearms.
It was supposed to be a show of force and how they protected you and kept the old iron thumb on everyone. They didn’t see the point where they’d have to call a cease-fire to collect their dead.
It’s typical of LE and the further up the sticking finger you go the worse it is. I was watching it and they fired without warning, even going to the trouble of murdering a boy working on a silo. When Koresh called the sheriff and asked why they were sending automatic fired through the roof citing women and children inside, they had no explanation except to say “they shot first” which it was evident they didn’t. They even shot through the front door trying to get in without even serving a warrant. It should have been a lesson for everyone in the country.
They did it again in west Texas to another cult and got in deep shit over that one too. Jade Helm scared the whee out of me thinking it would be my luck to collect a paratrooper with my truck on a lease road.
Oh, yes, they did it at night, big deal. The oilfield never shut down and you couldn’t just avoid he highways with all he limestone lease roads you could do 60 on. Immediately after Scalia “died” and that wasn’t an accident either.
“stinking finger”. I meant.
I recall seeing the immolation of the Branch Davidians live, on TV, back in ’93. I found it incredulous that a group of religious fanatics could be summarily executed, and in PUBLIC, as well, but given all the atrocities perpetrated by “Gubmint Fatwas” since, it no longer seems extraordinary.
Doug, that is the sheer power of the corporate mass media. Without it, those who rule us wouldn’t be nearly as dangerous. Only six companies own more than 90% of the mass media in NA. They in turn are owned by only three companies.
Hi BJ,
Indeed. If it were not for the corporate media, this whole “crisis” would have dissipated months ago because it would have been impossible to control the narrative in the way that it has been controlled. There would have been major exposes of this fraud by competitive media. But all of the major media is now just a shill for the same oligopolies – which have the same interests as the government.
We might as well be listening to People’s Radios with just one channel.
Hi Douglas,
I saw it live, also – in the editorial page offices of The Washington Times, where I worked at the time. We were dumbfounded. One of my colleagues made reference to the burning of the Warsaw Ghetto. It was a red pill moment for me. I saw the government literally immolate a group of people – including women an children – who as it turned out were burned to death for being, essentially, outliers. I realized them what I’d read about before – which is that “the government” is capable of literally anything. The same people that “made Georgia howl” are the same kinds of people who burn women and children to death and drop skyscrapers full of people into powdered, smoldering ruins to make a point and further their cause.
It is hard for basically normal people – people not into suffering and death or power over others – to even begin to comprehend any of it. But it is very real, regardless.
Morning Douglas and Eric,
I remember it vividly, absolutely sickened, of what was happening and the response of many around me, which ranged from indifference to enthusiastic support. I couldn’t even bear to be around those who cheered on the slaughter (and there were many), and was baffled that, otherwise good people, could be indifferent to it. My business partner at the time was in the indifferent camp. I looked at him one day and said, “Art, this could happen to your daughter”. He was recently divorced and his ex wife had moved to Oregon, taking his daughter, to join what many people would consider a religious cult. To his credit, he immediately “grokked” the immensity of what was happening.
What most didn’t, and still don’t, know is that the BATF was facing “spending cuts” to their budget, and it is likely that “Operation Showtime”, as these despicable people named it, was an engineered publicity stunt that went horribly wrong. In their unlimited arrogance, they assumed that a massive display of force, all broadcast on live television (the media was informed and in place before it began), would lead to a quick surrender and a PR coup for the agency.
When things didn’t go as planned, the spin machine was cranked up to high. The Davidians were a dangerous cult, stockpiling weapons and sexually abusing children. Koresh was a lunatic, preparing for Armageddon, violent and dangerous. What they didn’t report is that David Koresh was in town most days and could easily have been apprehended, peacefully and without risk to others. That he had invited the BATF to enter their buildings and look around, which they declined. That all of his guns were legal, and that allegations of abuse had been investigated by the health and human services department and deemed unfounded.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Jeremy, I was watching it and it sent me into a rage. I was wishing I had about 20 guys back up the hill behind a berm with a chopper popper and long range rifles. Make the damned Army come out there and clean up the bodies and haul em off in that same trailer they arrived in.
I made the statement to the wife ‘That guy in the second story was damned good’ when he knocked off those four agents on the roof. Big .30 cal I’d guess just punching holes.
Something we can agree upon totally!
Your comment is spot-on about the Koresh Mt. Carmel Waco situation.
ATF was called “F-troop” after the old television show due to their incompetence and ineptness. There were calls to eliminate the ATF and roll over their personnel into the FBI, but knowing of the incompetence within the ATF, the FBI refused to agree to take on ATF personnel.
Lets not forget Ruby Ridge, where sniper Lon Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver as she was standing in the doorway holding her baby. For days after that, FBI and ATF types used bullhorns to harass the remaing Weavers with “good morning Mrs. Weaver, what did you have for breakfast today?” As far as I am concerned there are NO decent federal “law enforcement” employees.
Regards,
There has been a growing group calling for the abolition of the BATFE. Sounds great to me.
Hi anarchyst,
Let’s not forget Donald Scott who, in 1992, was murdered in front of his wife for the “crime” of refusing to sell his property to the National Park Service. Undaunted, evidence of marijuana cultivation was fabricated, leading to the lethal raid. The LA sheriff’s department, in collusion with Federal and Park service agents, raided the property in the hope of seizing it and selling it to the Park service, with the proceeds going to the LA Sheriff’s department. Of course, they deny this, but it is known that possible seizure, and the value of adjacent property, was discussed prior to the raid.
“But two agents, including a forest ranger, told the Times that possible seizure of Scott’s land was mentioned at a briefing just prior to the raid. And the Sheriff’s Department had shared two documents with a federal drug agent: a property-appraisal statement and a parcel map on which the agent noted that a nearby 80-acre plot had sold for $800,000”.
https://reason.com/1993/08/01/ill-gotten-gains/
For more about the Loathsome BATF, see here.
https://reason.com/1994/05/01/batf-out-of-hell/
Cheers,
Jeremy
What really galls me is that nobody in the public eye even talks about the best way to avoid getting sick, whether from SARS-CoV-2 or any other pathogen: keep up your immune system. Meanwhile, so many of the measures being mandated — e.g., face diapers, anti-social distancing, lockdowns, closing parks and beaches — have adverse effects on the immune system. A cynic might think that they are deliberately trying to force more and more people to become seriously ill. Actually, I have become quite cynical and do believe that. These are the same people, after all, who deliberately murdered thousands of nursing home residents by forcing the homes to take in sick people.
Hi Mike
Sure they do,,, just wear the mask! Falsey says it all the time,,, Now Ms Birx is saying it and the Big Guy himself says to just wear the mask. Apparently according to these medical geniuses, the CDC and the WHO, that all you have to do.
I agree with this assessment, Mike.
I think the entire point of this exercise is psychological. It is a gigantic Milgram Experiment – meant to isolate, alienate and demoralize people. To debilitate their minds; to turn them into terrified wretches desperate to be protected… by guess who.
Actually, mandating the use of face masks actually causes the “case” count to go up, since Covid is manually transmitted like polio or typhoid (NOT airborne). This is why they’ve suddenly ordered everyone in masks just as the spread of the virus was losing momentum.
The mask is the most disease article of clothing most people will wear all day. It is constantly touched and picks up everything you’ve touched in a day.
These people are wearing Petri dishes strapped to their face.
Mike, since I have MRSA and Shingles and inherited lupus from my dad(surviving sister has MS), I take the most important vitamins and supplements. Vit. B complex, C, D3, calcium, zinc, collagen, magnesium and lutein and zeaxanthin for my vision. I wash it down with Shiner Bohemian Black Lager ‘for health’.
Nevermind the “black” people — NONE of our lives matter anymore. Pretty soon we’re all gonna have to join the rioters.
Free people are looking alot more like slaves & prisoners nowadays: they don’t have rights, have their guns taken away, don’t get to VOTE on important issues, are told what to do with their bodies and what to wear, aren’t allowed to roam free or go into stores etc.
Read “51 Questions and Answers-Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis” by Lenni Brenner.
Try again…
https://fathomjournal.org/an-antisemitic-hoax-lenni-brenner-on-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis/
Just one example, of course, there are many others. You guys are pretty funny with your crazy revisionist history. (Too bad for you there are still people alive who were there.) Of course anyone who bothers to do any research at all will quickly find it is bollocks.
Hi Laura,
I’ve deleted your post because it was just an insult – no attempt to discuss or debate. I do not suppress disagreement but this site is a place for discussion – intelligent discussion. Not “you suck” – or its equivalent.
Hoping to hear better from you next time.
Maskers are dangerous zealots…
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1289283389812547584/vid/720×720/NvBs6E72hhjkNJwk.mp4
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Disturbing. What a psychopath.
Eric,
Here’s PROOF that diaper wearers are mentally ill! A diaper wearing gal and her BF said something to two men who were undiapered. The men were sitting down and getting ready to eat when the Karen says something to them. The guys tell her to mind her own business. She proceeds to throw HOT COFFEE on one of the undiapered guys! He gets up, proceeds to smack around the Karen and her submissive, and they call the cops on them! Not only that, as the Karen and her submissive are complaining to the cops about being assaulted, they conveniently leave out the facts that: 1) they started the altercation; and 2) they threw hot coffee on the guy who smacked ’em around. How mentally ill can they be?!
You can see the whole mess here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/unhinged-woman-throws-coffee-two-men-not-wearing-masks-boyfriend-gets-ass-beat-bloody-video/
As I had previously mentioned in another article, I no longer fear the government or their thugs (partly because they’re now being overthrown by the Antifa terrorists, but that’s another rant). I now fear the SHEEP who are so demented that they will terrorize (and even KILL) those who do not bow to the cult leaders. This is why I may have to think about purchasing a camper, some survival gear and equipment, and just bail. Society has officially become suicidal!
Correction: AMERICANS have become suicidal! The rest of the world seems to be humming along just fine (for now).
I initially thought that diapering was reflective of political party. Democrats diapered, Republicans didn’t. Not so fully 90 percent of the population diapers on a daily basis. I know people hate Trump, but he isn’t that universally hated. I know this, I think that people who diaper are largely cucked sheep. I despise the people in this country.
Yeah, party means nothing. Just saw a Lawrence Vance article on LRC about Rep. Thomas Massie, a near Ron Paul, who got a perfect score from New American magazine for adherence to the Constitution. The real shocker in the article was that Commie Cortez got a higher score than more than half of the Republican representatives. The lesson from that isn’t that Cortez is a paragon of Constitutional virtue, but that the Republicans don’t give a crap about that “scrap of paper” either. When the opposition in the House is effectively to the left of a Communist, is it any wonder that the nation is circling the drain?
1.3 million Germans had the backbone the protest the masks at the Reichstag. They’ve been there, got the T-shirt and don’t want to go back.
Indeed, how sad that Germans appear to have more and bigger balls than Americans do. A lot more, and a lot bigger. Even German women. Maybe especially German Women, since they don’t actually have any. I wake up every day, do my several hours of reading what’s going on, and am thoroughly astonished and disgusted with what I find. I’ve known for a long, long time that the people of this nation were in a state of declining morals, convictions, and critical thought. But what I see every day now is nothing more nor less than a complete abandonment of reasonable rational thought. Congratulations to Public Schools. They have successfully achieved their goal of creating several generations of unthinking, irrational, automatons with no inherent values at all other than what they see on a 3″X 5″ screen, which are under the complete control of a few psychopathic corporate shysters.
The City Council in a town near us has been under pressure from the diaper cultists, so they recently scheduled a public meeting for August 19 where the unwashed will be allowed two minutes each to comment on a proposed mask ordinance. But since they’ve already made a rule requiring masks at all city meetings, anybody who wants to speak against forced masking will have to wear a mask to do it.
Another absurdity: If this is such an urgent measure that has to be taken to prevent misery and death, why didn’t they have the meeting immediately instead of waiting three weeks?
Exactly. What about all the corpses whose blood will be on their hands because they waited?
You’re talking about people that cannot rationally think.
No matter the data.
No matter the alleged virus has never been “scientifically” purified / isolated and thus doesn’t officially exist.
No matter that 99.7% recover from the alleged virus.
No matter bodies are not being stacked.
No matter the lying and fraud determining a Covid deaths,,, motorcycle or gunshot wounds being labeled Covid.
No matter the lying and fraud with the cases, Cases, CASES! Cough and have a fever,,, Presumed Covid!
No matter that the alleged virus prefers oldsters and those with other serious health problems like fat and diabetic, heart, kidney disease.
No matter scum politicians send diseased folks with the alleged virus back to Nursing homes to up the tally.
No matter the PCR test is at best 70-80% and will illuminate on most any germ or particle.
No matter the inventor (Kary Mullis) was dead set against it being used for diagnosis.
No matter that the Blood tests will go ding, ding, ding, if you have ever had the flu or a cold.
No matter the snot masks do not work but is actually dangerous to health. How many in the past held used handkerchiefs to their face for 8-10 hours every day?
No matter they hadn’t come up with a Corona vaccine for 70 years but now have one in 6 months.
Nope,,, the chimps just play Falsey Says and dances to whatever tune he plays. This is what constitutes science today.
Easy to see how Jim Jones got his followers to drink the killer kool aid in order to board the alien spacecraft.
The coronavirus “vaccine” will be the first vaccine to alter human DNA in the recipient. Just like bill gates’ Microsoft products, regular “updates” and “patches” will be required in order to stay alive.
Don’t laugh…that is the way it will work…
Ken, speaking of tests, our neighbors’ 2-year-old daughter “tested positive.” Her baby brother and both parents had exactly the same symptoms (runny nose and cough, no fever), yet they were all negative. The pediatrician told them there is no such thing as a false positive. The little girl wasn’t suffering until they tortured her by ramming a stick up her nose.
Great post Ken, except at the very end you mixed up the people’s temple cult of Jim Jones, and the Heaven’s gate cult with their UFO destination.
Roland, here is some more ammo for you. Its just the tip of the iceberg. Hope its useful to you.
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
Yep. Isn’t it interesting how quickly those who demand that we follow the science pivot to “Well it’s just common sense!”?
Looks like I’m not the first to reference Seinfeld regarding masks: https://www.reddit.com/r/seinfeld/comments/g4f5ww/youre_a_mask_bully/
Yeah that is a pretty obvious one. One of the first tv references I thought of for masks.
“The trappings of membership in what amounts to a religious movement one doesn’t want to join.”
You’re incredibly good at articulating my inchoate thoughts. When you’d make reference to the requirement of Jews to bear the star of David on their clothing, I was somewhat uncomfortable with the comparison to diapering. However, I finally get it now.
The mask mandates are sort of an inverse scarlet letter where the undiapered are the ones that stand out and are made to become targets of public ridicule. It really amounts to compelled speech (whether diapered or diapered). Everybody within sight knows your position.
Seinfeld dealt with this astutely when Kramer refused to wear an aids ribbon. The groupthink, outrage and violence are all just spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iV8X8ubGCc
The “jewish star of david” worn by jews in pre-war Germany has a good analogy in our present “face diaper” situation as, unbeknownst to most, it was zionist interests that insisted that the “star of david” be worn by jews. Note that this was not the German government, but was the jews’ own zionist leaders that insisted that the “star of david” be worn by German jews. This was purposely done to marginalize jews, encouraging them to emigrate to what was then known as Palestine. In fact, the German government and the zionist leaders celebrated their “cooperation” with a specially-minted coin with the official German “seal” on the obverse and the “star of david” on the reverse.
The parallels to today’s “face diapering” are ominous, as quite often it is not government mandating the use of “face diapers” but businesses and fellow citizens who are insisting on it.
Wrong again as usual, Annie.
It was Herr Goebbles who was first to suggest a distinguishing mark for German Jews in a 1938 memorandum, and the idea was reiterated by Security Police chief Reinhard Heydrich later that same year. It was first imposed in Poland following the German invasion of that country. On September 1, 1941, Reinhard Heydrich decreed that all Jews in the Reich six years of age or older were to wear a badge which consisted of a yellow Star of David on a black field to be worn on the chest, with the word “Jew” inscribed inside the star in German or in the local language. This applied to all German Jews and Jews in Germany’s annexed territories.
The coin in question was struck in 1934 to memorialize the journey of Baron von Mildenstein, a Nazi party member, to Palestine, and to encourage Jewish emigration out of Germany. (Mildenstein’s trip resulted in a pro-Zionist report encouraging Jewish emigration, published in the newspaper Der Angriff, which was originally set up by Goebbles.)
The latter reason for the coin is the only part of your screed containing an element of truth – that both “Zionist leaders” and the German government encouraged Jews to emigrate to Palestine, though of course for different reasons.
Emigration to Palestine is the very definition of “Zionism” so there is nothing particularly sinister about it. The term “Zionist” at the time had not yet been twisted by bigoted assholes into a magical catchword meaning some evil globe-spanning conspiracy. It was simply a philosophy which held that Jews should live in the Holy Land. (There are basically two types of Zionism; religious Zionism that believed this should happen because of Biblical imperative, and political Zionism which was based on Jews having their own place due to the kind of seething hatred and perverse bigotry displayed by people like “anarchyst” and his fellow travelers.)
Every place you look in the saga of the wearing of the yellow star being imposed by Germany you find the hands of Nazi officials, not “Zionist leaders”.
Father Abraham is responsible for all of this conflict. Had he not philandered with Hagar, Ishmael would have never been. Part of the story and the problem.
Also, Rabbi Kook was the original religious Zionist.
The Chosen are living on stolen land.
Back to The Pale for you nutjobs!
I wonder how Palestinian ARABS felt about “Zionist” immigration into THEIR land, Jason, then and surely NOW? Probably not too receptive!
Then again, we in the USA had a rather questionable history as to how we respected the views of the Iroquois, the Cherokee, Creek, Sioux and various other Indian nations re: “Immigration”, so if your answer is: “We conquered them, ‘fair and square’ “, I can live with that. Can’t live with giving Israel BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of AMERICAN taxpayer dollars to support that banditry, but at least I won’t presume to pontificate.
The analogy fails for a simple reason: “Das Stern Gelb”, a revival of a symbol used in Medieval times, was intended to mark Jews when out in public. It was actually started in the so-called “General Government” (that part of Poland occupied by Germany not part of the pre-Versailles borders being “retaken”) by Reichskommisar Hans Frank in November 1939. Its use spread but it was actually last implemented in the Reich itself by late 1942.
Current masking “Fatwas are intended for ALL and not to single out any particular group. Whether all NEED them is another discussion.
I have to admit it is an ingenious ploy to smoke out the small percentage who can still think for themselves, have the courage to stand up, and are potential leaders of the resistance for the coming tribulations. We are self identifying by refusing to don the garb of the submissive. So be it- my life will stand for something worthy.