It’s the last call. The final hurrah. Call it what you will, it amounts to the same.
Right now – this year – is the last time you’ll be able to buy a new VW GTI without an automatic transmission.
When the 2025 GTI comes out, it will come with an automatic only. For the first time, ever. So if you prefer to shift for yourself, time is short to get off the couch – and grab a ’24 GTI while you can still get one.
What It Is
The GTI is kind of like the Ford Mustang in that it created a new category of vehicle. The 1964 Mustang was the first pony car; the 1983 GTI was the first hot hatch.
In both cases, there were many emulators – but only one original.
Which may be why both are still around – even though most of the emulators (all of them, in Mustang’s case) are gone.
Like the original 1983 model, the current model is based on the Golf hatchback (called Rabbit back then) but this time with five rather than just three doors.
As always, the focus is on performance – and fun – more so than economy.
Interestingly, VW no longer sells the Golf in this country. The last year if was offered was 2021. It’s interesting because it’s usually the case that sales of the standard model – without the performance upgrades – make it possible to sell the higher-cost performance model without it costing too much, such that too many people who might like to buy one can’t afford to.
The volume seller carries the lower-volume “halo” car – and the lower priced version gives those who can’t afford the “halo” car just yet something to aspire to owning.
The current GTI is now is effectively an entry-luxury sporty car rather than a hotted-up economy car.
Prices for the ’24 GTI start at $31,695 for the base S trim; it comes standard with a turbocharged 2.0 liter four cylinder engine paired with a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission.
A six speed manual transmission is standard in the $32,685 380 S – with the same 2.0 liter engine – plus an adaptive suspension, 19 inch wheels and high-performance “summer” tires plus gloss black trim.
A top-of-the-line 380 Autobahn lists for $40,825 and includes the “380” performance upgrades plus heated rear seats, three-zone climate control, leather trim, a larger (10 inch) LCD touchscreen and a premium nine-speaker Harman Kardon audio system.
What’s New For 2024
The 380 package is a new – and soon-to-gone – package that bundles the last-call six-speed manual with the related performance and cosmetic upgrades detailed above.
What’s Good
One of the few new sporty five-doors that’s still available with a manual.
Much more practical than two-door sporty cars with manuals that cost about the same, such as the Mazda Miata and the Subaru BRZ.
Easy on gas – if you don’t have a heavy right foot.
What’s Not So Good
No more manuals after the end of this year.
Manual costs more than the standard automatic.
No longer inexpensive fun.
Every 2024 GTI comes standard with the same 2.0 liter, turbocharged four cylinder engine that makes 241 horsepower – and there’s nothing particularly unusual about that. What makes the 2024 GTI very unusual is that you can still pair the 2.0 liter engine with a six speed manual transmission.
There are very few sporty cars left that still offer that option – including other hot hatches such as the Mazda3 – which is available with a larger (2.5 liter) and stronger (250 horsepower) turbocharged engine – paired with all-wheel-drive, which the front-wheel-drive-only VW does not offer.
But Mazda doesn’t offer a manual transmission. The Mini Cooper – another hot hatch – still does but not for long. The 2025 model will be automatic-only.
And so – sadly – will the 2025 GTI.
Interestingly, it’s not because the manual-equipped version uses more gas and so hurts VW’s Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) score, creating an “incentive” to drop the manual from the roster. In fact, the six-speed GTI’s mileage – 23 city, 34 highway is essentially identical to the automatic (seven speed dual clutch) GTI’s 24 city, 33 highway.
So why is VW taking the manual off the table? Especially in view of the fact that without a manual, the GTI loses much of its appeal to the enthusiast buyers who prefer to shift for themselves?
Probably – and this is just an informed guess, based on this writer’s three decades of covering the industry and by dint of that having acquired a kind of Spider Sense that suggests to me what might be going on – VW’s very public commitment to become primarily a manufacturer of battery-powered devices (which don’t have transmissions at all) is not enhanced by manual-equipped cars such as the GTI because the latter present too much of a contrasting experience that isn’t favorable to the experience one gets by driving a device.
Put another way, maybe VW wants to get its buyers used to driving a vehicle that has fewer controls and requires less of them as drivers.
Whether I’m right about that or not, the manual GTI will soon be history – and that may, in turn result in the GTI itself becoming history.
On The Road
The thing about a manual-equipped vehicle is the intangibles.
Automatics are the opposite of them, which may be part of the reason why they’re being pushed. An automatic’s shift timing and accuracy can be quantified objectively in ways that shifting for yourself can’t be. How do you convey – by the numbers – how it feels to release the clutch just right? To snap off a perfectly timed shift, yourself? The answer is you can’t convey it – at least, not in the way that it is possible to convey that a seven speed dual clutch automatic can shift from first to second in however many fractions of a second and that it will never miss a shift.
But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel better to shift-for-yourself.
The GTI with the six speed has that feel, soon to be felt no more. With the soon-to-be-inescapable automatic, the GTI feels less personal.
More like the rest.
Selecting from one of the four available drive programs – Eco, Comfort, Normal or Sport – is not the same experience as selecting third – or better yet, second – when you’re in fourth, getting the engine into just the spot in its powerband where you want it to be and holding it there until you decide to grab whatever gear’s next. Just as it’s not the same to floor the accelerator as it is to floor it and let off the clutch at the same moment.
You can still do that, for the moment. But that moment is soon to be over and then what the GTI was will be a memory.
It seems clear VW wants the GTI to align more with the feel of the electric vehicles in its lineup. This goes deeper than the pending elimination of the last mechanical control the driver had over the drivetrain. There’s an electronic feel to all of the other controls, too. You push a button to start/stop the engine – as opposed to turning a key. Drive or Reverse are selected via a small toggle switch in the center console. Park is a button. So is the parking brake, which is now electric. No more pulling up on the emergency brake lever that’s not there anymore – to lock up the rear wheels and execute the kind of right-angle turns that are regarded as “unsafe” by today’s Safety Culture.
Without the manual – and with almost everything else no longer mechanical – one focuses more on tangibles such as the GTI’s power/performance, both of which are good but not much superior to other automatic-only rivals such as the Mazda3 and the Mini Cooper.
And then there’s the new Toyota Corolla GR. Which is a car more like the GTI was – and soon won’t be anymore. Comparisons are inevitable – and while the GTI still has a lot going for it, the Corolla has less (and more) in at least two categories.
First, the Corolla GR has much more power – 300 horsepower out of just 1.6 liters. And it does not offer an automatic. It comes only with a six speed manual – and AWD is standard.
It is without question what the original ’83 GTI was – a hot hatch – as well as the hottest hatch you can buy new for $36k or so.
At The Curb
Cars have gotten much larger – and much heavier – since the time of the original GTI back in 1983. This includes the current GTI, which has five doors rather than three, as the original did. And – by the standards of 1983 – the current GTI would be considered a near mid-sized car rather than a subcompact, as the original was.
The latter was just 155.3 inches long and rode on a very short 94.5 inch wheelbase. It also weighed just 2,100 lbs. Which probably accounts for why it managed 29 MPG in city driving and 37 on the highway – both numbers significantly higher than the current GTI delivers. Probably because it weighs 1,000 pounds more (3,137 lbs. to be precise) and it’s just a much a bigger – and longer – car. It’s 168.8 inches end to end and it rides on a comparatively limousine-like 103.6 inch wheelbase.
It also has more than twice the power of the original ’83 GTI’s 90 horsepower, 1.8 liter engine. And it doesn’t take 9.7 seconds to get to 60.
It is also a much more sophisticated, much more comfortable car. In part because the Golf it’s based upon would be considered a luxury car by the standards of 1983. Whereas the ’83 Rabbit the original ’83 GTI was based on was an economy car, in the truest meaning of that word back then.
The GTI enhancement made it lots of fun. But it was still a fun economy car.
The current GTI is an entry-luxury sporty car – and you get what you pay more for. Including a “bridge” that looks like Mr. Data’s station on board the Starship Enterprise, with a flat screen main gauge panel and another to your right to tap/swipe control everything else.
The original ’83 did not even come standard with AC. Today, you get heated seats – and standard 18 inch (rather than 14 inch) wheels. You can also get three-zone climate control AC and a heads-up (GUF) display, something that would have been considered magical back in ’83.
Of course, you do pay for all of that.
Back in ’83, all you paid was about $8,400 – which works out to about $27k today. And that’s actually not much less than what you pay today. The real-money difference between then and now is about $5k – and that gets you a lot more today.
Assuming, of course, you want it – and don’t mind paying for it.
Not all the news is bad news. It looks like the ’25 GTI may get a power bump – up to 262 horsepower – and drivers will get more control over the automatic transmission that will be the next GTI’s only available transmission, in the form of paddle shifters that allow a degree of electronic control over when the automatic shifts up and down – within the parameters of its programming.
The Bottom Line
This hatch is still hot – but it’ll be different, soon.
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VW Golf GTI Mk 2 hill climb monster
TFSI R 2 liter 4 cylinder turbo 700 hp 2100 lb.
…. it has quickest time of the race….@ 9:58 in video….
A Lamborghini Huracan Super Trofeo V10 was 7th place…a lot slower then the Mk2 VW Golf….
https://www.fastcar.co.uk/videos/top-10-hill-climb-monsters/
Hill climb racing should be more popular in N.America….it used to be very popular in Europe…the oldest race course in the world is a hill climb race in England….
Think of some of the world’s finest sporting venues and there’s one element that separates the best from the rest: history. The likes of Lords, Wimbledon, Monza and Augusta National are so revered because of the opportunities they afford to add to the wonderful memories created there over the years.
While not quite as famous on a global scale, Shelsley Walsh Hill Climb in Worcestershire undeniably has that magic ingredient too. It proudly bills itself as “the oldest motorsport venue in the world still using its original course”, having hosted high-speed action since August 1905.
VW Golf…Most successful German car ever built…35 million sold….
The passion and respect the Golf has received, as well as its cult following around the world, can be said to make it the most successful car ever.
If you go to Athens, you will marvel at the sheer numbers of specifically MK4 VW’s on the road there! I spoke to a local mechanic there, and he told me that mechanically, the MK4’s are the soundest and most reliable VW’s ever built! They were probably the last generation of VW’s that didn’t have too much computerized tech on board, and they spend a lot less time in the repair garage as their latter counterparts…..Mk4…also the 1st fully galvanized Golf….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTYsA5gDQco
the MK4’s are the soundest and most reliable VW’s ever built! They were probably the last generation of VW’s that didn’t have too much computerized tech on board..
The good thing is they are also often the cheapest of the Golf’s to buy…they were less popular then the Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs….they got bigger and heavier…got away from being a driver focused car…the Mk3 the same problem, but it was lighter and smaller then the Mk4….
The Mk5 returned to it’s roots as a driver’s car…. it is considered the best driver’s car of all the Golfs……you get the same dynamics and driver’s experience as a new Honda Civic Type R….for less money and it is a lighter car….The Mk6 and Mk7 are also popular…
Now the Mk8 Golf it is the most hated one….the end of the Golfs….to be replaced with electric cars only…unless there is a course change at VW…
Never made it up to a GTI but took driver’s test in my parents’ 4-speed Diesel Rabbit, learned to drive stick on my brother’s standard Beetle and drove my parents’ manual transmission Vega station wagon on occasion. Then a Diesel Jetta, 1984, 4-speed, my dad’s Quantums, my ’87 Vanagon and now ’87 Vanagon Syncro. Sad that the manuals are going away. Unbelievably, I work with three other females who all are devoted to stick shifts, and my retired boss and his wife, despite having more than enough money to buy new cars, hang on to their early 2000s Mitsubishi and Honda because they enjoy them and they’re both manual transmissions. I have to drive my husband in a Braunability Chrysler van and I must be the only person on the planet who gets confused by automatic transmissions . . .
I’m glad to hear that there are still women out there who prefer a manual over an automatic. I’ve been trying to convert my niece to the Dark Side…
Besides the Volkswagen production base in Germany, this VW Mk2 generation was produced in a number of other countries, including Brazil, China, Nigeria, Mexico, South Africa, USA, and the former Yugoslavia.
The VW Mk2 Jetta lived until 2013 – In China….they manufactured millions there…including a pickup truck version….so there was a Mk2 caddy….
They even built Mk2 Jettas with Mk4 drive trains….
In 2007, Volkswagen of America held a contest to find the diesel-powered Volkswagen with the highest distance traveled on the original engine. The winning car was a 1986 Jetta Turbodiesel found in Blue Rock, Ohio which had 562,000 miles
If you want a good car…buy a Mk2 Jetta diesel…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx863_NQBxw
Mk2 Jetta Turbodiesel….no computer, fully analog….runs on multiple fuels….
best small diesel on the planet…
Well it’s a damn shame that manuals are vanishing. I wish I still had my 84 Rabbit and 82 Westie diesels. The Rabbit got 44mpg regardless of how you drove it. And the Westie as high as 38mpg and you could live in it. It even had a fantastic diesel central heating system. The Rabbit I used to run wide open cross country at around 95mph and occasionally you would find it was ripping along in self oil feeding runaway. I installed a plastic dampener under the valve cover that took care of that. Both were spectacular and the Rabbit I used to jump the local RR tracks with and get it 5ft off the ground. With Bilsteins it didn’t mind a bit. And you couldn’t even feel the landing. The grey market Westie was shipped over and made it to the bottom of South America and to the tip top of Alaska and back and never missed a beat. After which we bought it here in NOLA. After years of earlier air cooled models that was where I landed and cut my teeth. Then moved on to 524td’s and rebuilt a few of those. Which were unfortunately never offered with manuals either. I almost made a run to Costa Rica to buy a beautiful 324td 5spd but it fell through. That would of been a great sedan and shame on BMW for not bringing them in. FF to today and I’ve got a 90 Miata that I do luv. It’s a fun little car that makes you drive it. And that develops a mutual relationship. Times certainly have changed..
At 18:14 in video….Mk2 VW Golf VR6 Turbo runs 7.23 second…192 MPH… 1/4 mile…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWrJi4QZC0s
Rimac Nevera…quickest electric car…1900 hp…. 4 electric motors…4500 lb…..1/4 mile 8.6 seconds
EV’s are slow…far too heavy….
The Mk1 and Mk2 Golf GTI are considered the best….totally analog and light weight…collector cars now…
A 1992 Mk2 Volkswagen GTI 16V…just sold for $56,000 on 7/28/24 on bringatrailer…
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volkswagen-gti-2-0-16-valve-4/
A Mk5 GTI is very similar to a Honda Civic Type R…in the concept and driving experience…but the GTI is smaller, lighter, 2 door and cheaper….
It’s shocking that somebody would pay $56,000 for that ’92 GTI. I could see if it were absolutely pristine with under 10k miles on it, but it’s got 88k and looking worn. That buyer was a damn fool.
That said, the simplicity of that car is so uplifting compared to modern, overly-complex monstrosities.
At 3:53 in video….Mk2 VW Golf powered by an Audi 07K 5 cylinder turbo…. runs 7.59 second 1/4 mile…
The Mk2 Golf is very light, so it is quicker then the super cars…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLaNCI2Nfl4
I had a ’75 Mk1 bought new. Slowly over the years, header, electronic ignition to get rid of the points, Holly/Weber 2 bbl, accidentally ‘lost” the air pump and EGR hardware, a little camming, what catalytic converter? Conti TS-771’s all around, nice shocks and viola! A proto GTI that would embarrass a Mustang.
No AC, manual window cranks, crap-ton of space, feather-weight screamer.
I’m serious, that little orange monster would take on 914’s. God how i loved that little beast.
I had a 1984 Mk1 GTI….2 liter aba block with the 1.8 Lt. GTI heads, CIS, headers….
Nice light, responsive little car…
1992 Mk2 Volkswagen Golf GTI 16V
Sold for $87,000 on 1/28/23…on bat…
Proof these are very good cars…..
That is almost air cooled 911 money…..
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volkswagen-golf-gti-16v-7/
that auction had 638 comments….
BMW M240i v AMG A45 v RS3 v Golf R: TUNED DRAG RACE
This Golf R has 530 hp….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQScFlNTi8
There is lots of after market hardware and software to tune Golfs….
I have a 1995 Mk3 Golf GTI, 5 speed, with a 1.8 liter, 20 valve turbo, stage 2, engine swap….2300 lb, 240 HP, 280 lb ft torque, totally analog….all the torque is at low rpm…it is very responsive…great at intersections…
Jeremy Clarkson told people…no matter what type of car you wanted…buy a Golf….
1.8 liter, 20 valve turbo, stage 2, …. 240 HP, 280 lb ft torque @ 25 psi boost
Golf R 2.0 liter Turbo, 16 valve, Maximum Horsepower 315 HP…. Maximum Torque 280 Lb Ft torque @ 17 psi boost…
‘You push a button to start/stop the engine – as opposed to turning a key. Drive or Reverse are selected via a small toggle switch in the center console. Park is a button. So is the parking brake, which is now electric.’ — eric
This is absolute anathema. Pushing stupid buttons is how I communicate with my vacuum cleaner and toaster. Volkswagen’s Sitzpinkler engineers are swirling down the toilet, emitting tiny gerbil-like squeaks … and I could care less.
Goodbye and good riddance.
Hi Jim,
I dislike all the electronica as well, for emotional and functional reasons. There is no improvement, first of all, in terms of ease-of-use. Indeed, I find the button-pushing range selector system to be devoid of any feedback, such that I find myself not sure whether I just selected Drive or Reverse. It takes looking at the display to be sure. Whereas – with a physically connected selector lever – I can do it by feel due to the positive engagement. Without even looking. This is also emotionally satisfying rather than frustrating. Then there is the matter of failure points. A physical connection such as a cable that operates the mechanical mechanism that causes the transmission to move from Park to Drive, Reverse, etc. is simple and inexpensive and very easily replaced if it ever fails. When a drive-by-wire system fails, who knows what actually failed. You can’t see anything. You need a diagnostic computer to figure it out – and you can’t fix it by the side of the road, either. Probably not at home.
What is the benefit to the owner of all this electronica? None that I can divine.
Jim H: I really like the Sitzpinkler path you’ve gone down here lately. It so encapsulates the conquered German culture. This, of course, is the model for the Anglosphere. Canada, Australia and New Zealand may just about be there, with the UK nipping at their heals.
You know that the treasonous twats Kamala Pajeeta and Tampon Tim will implement WC-Geists in a trice — because in their warped Weltanschauung, it just SO makes sense: making men passive, keeping toilets cleaner, instilling mindless obedience to algorithmic orders. Win, win, win!
The 2024 Volkswagen Golf R is a closer in spec to the Toyota Corolla GR…..
2024 Volkswagen Golf R
Golf R 2.0T Manual trans Package $46,890
Maximum Horsepower 315 HP
Maximum Torque 280 Lb Ft torque
All Wheel Drive
6 speed manual trans
3:27 diff
Base Curb Weight (pounds) 3397
Golf R manual trans needed 4.9 seconds to hit 60 mph……..1/4-Mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph
….. 7-speed dual-clutch automatic…0 to 60 mph 4.1 seconds 1/4-Mile: 12.6 sec @ 110 mph
Top Speed (mfr’s claim): 155 mph
2024 Toyota corolla GR Circuit $46,275
Curb Weight: 3269 lb
all-wheel-drive,
6-speed manual
3:45 diff
Power: 300 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 273 lb-ft @ 3000 rpm
0 to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.3 sec @ 105 mph
Top Speed (gov ltd): 143 mph
GR Corolla vs Type-R vs Golf R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM31cz1-pFM
Golf R boost pressure 17 psi….315 HP….2.0 lt. 4 cyl.
Toyota Corolla GR boost pressure 22 psi…300 HP….1.6 liter 3 cyl.
Even with the manual, it still a device, requiring a lot of interaction with that damn touch screen. Also, like every other car, it engages heavily in what’s become known as “surveillance capitalism.” The car looks great and the engine rips, but the electronic interface, nannies and surveillance are just too much to bear. I’ll do without.
I’m not sure why buyers put up with this shit. Perhaps they don’t really know better.
A few things:
9.7 seconds to 60 mph was in the upper range of acceleration times for 1983. Most cars were in the 11-15 range.
Paddle shifters are gey. Stupid. When I used to go to car dealers, they would try and sell me on paddle shifters as being as good as a stick. I shake my head, turn by back and leave.
The screen in that car is huge. Looks like crap as well.
Eric is right, they are getting rid of it because the upper management has tied themselves to government instead of putting up a fight. I guess when you lose several billion in a made up emissions cheat case, it has a dampening effect.
My prediction is that all current car makers are trying to take a swim in the toilet. I don’t know why.
When I would take my wife’s car in for service, the chick I always bought VWs from would give me a GTI to drive. I absolutely love them and it’s sad to see them changing for the worse.
Back in the fun times my sister had an 84 GTI and I had an 85 Scirocco. We were cool and we knew it. Thanks for the review, Eric!
The demise of the manual transmission has as much to do with economics as it does with bureaucratic edict. It wasn’t until the lock-up torque converter that automatic transmissions could come close to matching a manual transmission’s efficiency. Back when automatics were optional, they were a premium product. Eventually the manufacturers got good enough at making slushboxes to make them a “free” dealer upgrade, then mass produced so many that the manual became an afterthought. These days I imagine the majority of drivers have never driven a manual (Gran Turismo doesn’t count) , and have no idea why the gear selector is located where it is other than “that’s where it’s always been.” Another reason is because the dealers ordered automatics to have on the lot. Any reason for the buyer to walk away from a car must be dealt with. If the stick shifters aren’t moving off the lot, stop ordering them. The market has spoken.
Only after the efficiency problems have been solved do we see government getting involved. A good driver who knows what they’re doing can still probably beat the automatic, if only because the driver can anticipate hills and changes in the road. I’m constantly frustrated by my Cherokee’s transmission lag, usually over a second or more, when trying to pass on the highway. I dare not try to cut over to the passing lane if there’s someone close or I’ll get a well-deserved light flash (or middle finger). Not because I want to cut the guy off, just that the damn tranny won’t kick down. Then when it finally does, it over does it, jumping down to second or third and over-revving the engine, making it quite the dramatic event. Just to get around a double trailer.
But at least it’s consistent. Drivers aren’t.
RK: “I’m constantly frustrated by my Cherokee’s transmission lag…”
To give credit where credit is due: My vehicle has a ZF automatic 8-speed
trans. It’s as close to perfect as I’ve experienced. No lag, always in
correct gear. When floored, shifting is super quick.
Trans also used in Dodge Hemi’s .