Now that every new (and recently made) vehicle has an array of cameras built into it – as well as the ability to send and receive data – the time has come to put both to use. Just not for the putative uses people have been told these things were being installed in vehicles for.
Yes, they let you see what’s behind you that you can’t see very well anymore on account of the way vehicles are designed now, in order to be compliant with the federal regs that people are told make their vehicles “safe.”
Yes, they enable “adaptive” cruise control to “see” the vehicle ahead and whether your vehicle is getting too close, too fast – and slow your vehicle down automatically, to avoid running into the vehicle ahead.
And they can also be used to see “speeders” – and that includes you, if another vehicle equipped with this . . . equipment sees that you’re “speeding,” too. It’s a kind of mobile See Something Say Something system – and Ford is apparently working on exactly that.
More accurately, has already worked it up – and filed a patent for it.
“Systems and Methods for Detecting Speeding Violations” was published by the U.S. Patent and Trade Office a couple of weeks ago, making it official.
Ford applied for the patent back in January of 2023.
The thing to know is that the “systems and methods” are already embedded in most new and recently made vehicles.
All of them have the built-in capability to know whether they are “speeding” – by comparing the speed they are being driven with the speed limit on the road they’re on. Which the vehicle knows.
If you have driven a new/recently made vehicle, you may have noticed that little icon in the dash display that looks just like a speed limit sign. It is letting you know the vehicle knows what the speed limit is; if you drive faster, the vehicle lets you know it knows by changing the look of the icon, which goes from white background with black letters to red background.
You have also probably read that this data can be recorded and real-time transmitted to the insurance mafia, via data aggregators that collect the data many people have no idea their vehicle is transmitting. It is essentially the same thing as agreeing to plug one of those little “dongle” things into your vehicle’s OnBoard Diagnostics (OBD) port so as to get a “discount” on you insurance for “safe” driving, just sans the agreeing.
And good luck getting that discount.
What Ford’s patent elaborates is an elaboration of this narcing-out. Instead of using your vehicle to narc just you out, your vehcile would also be used to narc out drivers of other cars that you vehicle catches “speeding.”
Welcome to East Germany II – where everyone’s eye was on everyone else. Only this time, it’s worse because the eyes are electronic and they are almost literally everywhere.
At least in East Germany, you could be sort-of confident that if the lights were out in your apartment and you whispered quietly into the ear of your wife, your neighbor – who was probably an informer – wasn’t able to see or hear you.
Don’t make that assumption when you’re driving a new or recently made vehicle. Many of them have cameras pointed at you – inside the vehicle – and also microphones, which can hear everything you say and (at least potentially) record and transmit it, too. I was trying to record myself talking while driving the ’24 VW GTI I was test driving last week. When I began to speak, the car took notice. You can hear it talk back (and you can hear my irritation at being talked over).
Point being, it’s safe to assume everything you say – and do – in your vehicle is being kept track of.
Angela Merkel riding shotgun, as it were.
Ford denies its “Systems and Methods for Detecting Speeding Violations” will be installed in “civilian” vehicles. A statement released by Ford reads as follows:
“The patent explicitly states this idea is specific for application in law enforcement vehicles, such as the Ford Police Interceptor, and it’s a system that would automate a capability that law enforcement already have in use today, except this would utilize the built-in system and sensors in the vehicle. This patent does not state that driving data from customers’ vehicles would be shared with law enforcement, which is what some media have incorrectly reported. And note, patent applications are intended to protect new ideas but aren’t necessarily an indication of new business or product plans.”
Well, that’s nice.
But the fact remains that the foundational tech is already embedded in new/recently made vehicles – and not just those made by Ford. So the only thing preventing the tech from being used generally is the hope and prayer that Ford and everyone else will not use it in exactly the way it’s capable of being used.
Which would be weird. Why bother designing something that you don’t intend to use?
A good analogy here may be the way government hooked up with the telecoms to tap into everyone’s phones – to keep us safe from “terrorists,” of course. If you aren’t and don’t have anything to hide, what are you worried about?
Well – among other things – how about being considered a “terrorist” – or an abettor of them – for questioning the government’s tapping into everyone’s once-private conversations and correspondence to look for them?
“Speeding” is, after all, illegal. How could anyone object to reporting – and punishing – illegal behavior?
There is only one practical way to stymie this burgeoning panopticon and that is to not become part of it. Avoid new/recently made vehicles that have snitch tech built into them – and tell the dealer you might have bought a vehicle from why you have decided to never buy a new vehicle again – unless it does not come standard with snitch tech.
As Frederick Douglas said, we get exactly as much tyranny as we’re willing to put up with.
And buy into.
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I just stumbled upon this article, Eric. Imagine passing someone, and their car ratting you out to the police because (Heaven forbid), you are going 5-10 over the speed limit on the interstate…. https://winepressnews.com/2024/08/10/ford-awarded-patent-that-reports-you-to-police-if-you-are-speeding/
Hi Shadow,
Yup, I wrote about this just the other day!https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2024/08/10/i-see-you-you-see-me/
I was please to see my nephew recently bought his first car at the age of 28. He found a 2011 Lexus which had one owner.
He can afford to buy a newer car but see…… the kids already know what’s up.
In about 20 years, society has gone from “How much of a risk?” to “Is there a risk?”. Say goodbye to walking on your own two feet, ’cause you MIGHT trip and fall!
Fucking A….b&g
Semper Fi Mac!
Off topic: Krazy Harry’s latest take on the [fake] “presidential race”:
Now I like Trump’s platform even better than Robert Kennedy’s because at least Trump mentioned the election fraud problems — Trump doesn’t have the proper solution but at least it’s on his radar. Kennedy didn’t even put it in his platform! OMG!
I just looked up Dr Shiva’s platform — it’s just a bunch of articles — he didn’t even make a real platform (list of policies)! OMG he’s so lame. I love the guy, he’s smart, he’s RIGHT about everything, but he doesn’t know how to make a list of policies. UGH.
BTW the solution to election fraud is three things:
1) Let the people verify their own votes (this is super easy — just publish the ballots on the state websites). Voters know which ballot is theirs because it will have their voter ID number on it (which is private/secret).
2) Do some voter verification audits — there are so many fake voters in the voter database (‘voter rolls’) it is so easy to detect most of them — just scan for fake addresses, dead people, etc. Also simply delete the whole damn database and make people re-register to vote (start over from scratch).
3) On the ballots, let voters select their second/third/etc choices, and actually count the ‘none of the above’ votes.
But apparently, Donald and everyone else is TOO DUMB to figure out how to run an honest election.
There’s really only ONE problem in the entire world — fraudulent elections. If someone would just fix this one single problem then we wouldn’t even have any of the other problems. But no one seems to care! AAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH! I feel like Charlie Brown!
What happens if the devices break??? It’s going to break SOMEDAY, so can you still drive the car? If so, then why not just unplug the appropriate fuse or sensor, and put some black tape on the dash to cover up the warning light?
My newer car has the camera-at least the one that can see the speed limit sign. It is located behind the rear view mirror. Being a bit of a smart ass, I have wondered if simply sticking a piece of duct tape over the sensor would disable it? I have noticed that when driving in BFE, that the sensor does not work, which I have to chuckle at. I have also noticed that the sign often disappears even after passing a speed limit sign. I have not seen any sensor inside the car (where I drive). I generally assume there are microphones inside the car, and use them to my advantage. I grew up under Big Brother, so I let ’em have it, especially when I can sense there are newbies (the younger generation) that do not know what the hell they are doing. I always joked that my world was coming to everyone else’s world, and here it is, and without so much as a fight, too, sadly. It is also why I keep my older, not-choked with Big Brother vehicle, because although old and worn, it will come in handy one of these days, when they decide to shut mine off for whatever reason.
ICU – UC me
An ancient fossil vents:
‘When Robert E Lee became president of what would become Washington and Lee University in 1865, he initiated the “Speaking Rule.” I don’t remember such a rule at the University of Virginia, primarily because the natural, organic culture that already existed was such that one spoke to everyone he passed and engaged in a pleasantry.
‘I’ll always remember [my father] telling me to wear a sports jacket and sometimes a tie when traveling on a plane. “Son, wherever you go in this world, you are a representative of the Commonwealth of Virginia and our family.” ‘
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/08/07/manners_are_the_adhesive_glue_that_binds_society_together_1049883.html
The author’s erratic preening reminds one of William Faulkner’s novelistic references to the gentlemanly bourbon-drinking culture at UVA a century ago:
‘In 1931, he was asked to participate in a conference for Southern writers. During the conference, whenever Faulkner showed up for a scheduled event, he was unmistakably, amazingly drunk. A spree in New York in February 1957 landed him in the hospital for three days immediately prior to the start of his first term as Writer-in-Residence. Twice during his two semesters at UVA he was similarly hospitalized to recover from the effects of bingeing.’ — faulkner.lib.virginia.edu
In the next generation, one Jim Morrison, a 1961 graduate of George Washington High School in Alexandria, Virginia, offered this euphoric ad-libbed incantation:
Hey what’s your name?
How old are you?
Where’d you go to school?
Aha, yeah
Aha, yeah
Ah, ah yeah, ah yeah
Oh haa, mmm
Well, now that we know each other a little bit better
WHY DON’T YOU JUST COME OVER HERE?
*exhales a blue cloud of concentrate smoke*
To the extent this new technology would transmit information from one’s vehicle in real time, I would think it would not be difficult to disable or otherwise block or jam the signal transmitted. Maybe find the antenna and cover it with tin foil, remove a transmitter connector, or something similar. Or maybe wait for the system to become obsolete, like the vehicle entertainment systems that used G3 cellular and stopped working when G4 arrived. But with everyone holding on to older cars (my daily driver just turned 30), it would seem this might be slow to gain traction. What a great incentive for buying older cars.
‘my daily driver just turned 30’ — Bill in RI
Congrats. My daily driver is a youthful 28.
Timely article Eric. I just backed into a pole with my wifes GC. I was pissed off waiting forever (they said 30m, was 1:15) for some take-out, got in the car and slowly back out a different way that I came in. bonk. no damage.
But I was thinking about it. 6+ things to ‘monitor’ now, 3 old school mirrors, camera, turn head, and multiple freaking beepers…………….. argggggg. Sensory overload is what it was, including my pissed off state.
I tried to recreate my mistake and only one ‘thing’ saw the pole, my right mirror, which I obviously passed over.
Turbo Cancer from the jab?
www . zerohedge . com/technology/former-youtube-ceo-dead-56
Remove spaces around the dots to read the story.
This one’s for you, Sue
https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=sJgv-qBBT3Y
Lung cancer, non-smoker. Very likely.
There is an upside to this new reveal. This action by Ford tells me, not enough people are agreeing to the voluntary dongle. Thats still a small consolation. Almost everyone I’ve ever talked to about this, all say the discount is non-existent or some slight of hand parlor trick. So, now the insurance mafia/DMV/AGW can go ahead and remove the velvet glove and get to the iron fist part. Its about time. Anyone still living in denial about such things should just keep queuing up for more safe and effective.
Governments and corporations are the mortal enemies of free people. More and more seem to be waking up to this fact. A small but solid percentage of us have held firm to a well reasoned hatred towards these institutions. That is why the oligarchs final solution hasn’t been fully instituted. They thought that as the masters of the universe they were, we would all go along willingly to the slaughterhouse. Paint the outside to look like a funhouse, give everyone a coupon on their phone for a free bowl of crickets, and viola, everyone will clamor to get inside. And now, it seems, some of the others in the lines outside the chute are beginning tp notice. More noticing is always good.
Now if we could just get everyone to step away from their digital crack pipes, and turn off their Tee Vees, we might make some headway.
Job One for Ford is to make sure you drive like a clover.
har
Reminds me of a popular hit song.
Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I’ll be watching you
Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I’ll be watching you – The Police, Every Breath You Take
From Wokiepedia…
“Stewart Armstrong Copeland (born July 16, 1952) is an American musician and composer. He is best known for his work as the drummer of the English rock band the Police from 1977 to 1986, and again from 2007 to 2008.
Copeland was born in Alexandria, Virginia, on July 16, 1952, the youngest of four children of Scottish archaeologist Lorraine Copeland (née Adie; 1921–2013) and American CIA officer Miles Copeland Jr. (1916–1991). His mother was born in Edinburgh, while his father was from Alabama. His father was, according to his own 1989 biography and files released by the CIA in 2008, a founding member of the OSS and the CIA.”
But I really was into The Police when I was in my twenties. I still think that have some really good music and were ultimately underrated.
Check out “Weird scenes inside Laurel Canyon” for more spooks in music if you have not already.
“Weird scenes inside the Canyon”
sorry.
Truly remarkable the number of 70s icons that had intel related parents.
Remember the old days of empowering technology? Everyone was going to have a blog, a robot secretary, and an electronic chauffeur? Turns out, that’s a hard sell when Google is giving away all their shit for free. It’s dead simple to run most anything on your own hardware these days, but it’s not reliable -at least if you’re running COTS operating systems. With your ISP (and the three letter agencies) watching it’s pretty hard to DIY and get around the EULAs anyway. And the Sand Hill Rd boys (who built the client-server world we live in today) aren’t so sure they want to back something that might require a field tech to maintain. So the centralized connected world it is then. Your idea better fit into that one, because we ain’t going peer-to-peer no matter how much more sense it makes.
Works for the other centralized powers too. Entrenched corporate interests and legacy media loves it, they can charge for transactions and storage. Government loves it, they can install remote kill switches on the servers, “request” data dumps without getting warrants, and generally just hoover up all the communications of everyone in history’s biggest dragnet. Only a matter of time before “the data” shows all the petty non-crime that occurs every day requires prosecution. Right now the cost is too high, but not for much longer. Demolition Man’s “toilet paper dispenser” fine issuance devices come to mind. And unfortunately there’s a cadre of engineers willing to take the mantle of providing the deflationary tools.
The problem is that the petty crime division ends up harassing the productive members of society, who might just go Galt. Or worse, end up in a situation where they’re taken out of production and no longer paying income taxes as well as costing the state money for their incarceration. Then what? Just printing seems to be working for now, but as we saw in Japan this week, isn’t a stable way to run a country’s economy. Where do you draw the line? Quite the conundrum for the central planners. Besides, you need a certain amount of rule bending to keep things flowing. If every law is obeyed absolutely, the gears seize up and the whole thing stops.
You know, I’ve long wondered if it wouldn’t be a good idea to setup a domain name, and a Linux box with a mail server on it. Why not a locally hosted POP3/IMAP server with a 1TB drive? I have spare boxes all over the place that could do it.
Exactly. Everybody does. On Thursday The Raspberry Pi foundation released the RP2350 microcontroller. This is a dual-core (technically quad-core but only two at a time) processor running at 150 MHz. It can address 8MB via the new QMI memory interface. Basically the equivalent of a 80486DX processor, but for $5. More than enough horsepower to run a mail server, but why bother when you can get an extremely capable machine for <$100 that can just sit on your network and chunk along for decades. Sure, it's not in a hardened datacenter cluster with multiple routes, but so what? Your messages might be delayed a few hours while the crew fixes the fiber cut. It happens. Real-time email just leads to anxiety anyway.
Oh, but you cannot be trusted administrating your own server! Why, someone might bust in and start relaying spam! We (the sysadmins of the Internet) won't allow your MX record to potentially pollute the Internet with spam! Only country level domains are allowed to do that….
“The patent explicitly states this idea is specific for application in law enforcement vehicles, such as the Ford Police Interceptor,”
That’s pretty damn funny Shut given that the popo are the worst violators of “speeding”. Point A point B at full throttle —no lights or sirens mind you.
I really hate autocorrect. No more posting via iPhone.
And then joke about taking out “low value” civilians.
https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/video-seattle-police-officer-laughs-about-woman-hit-killed-by-patrol-car
See! It’s shit like this that leads me to the inescapable conclusion that all of these automakers are not victims of the “regs” but rather are the authors of them. They have done this kind of shit continually, i.e., invent something that they know will get the government salivating, rush to implement it (hey for “free”!), and then make sure that it becomes required by law — or more finely “by regs” which (at this point) is no different than law by decree.
Just like you will find, not just the fingerprints, but the bold and proud participation of all the (dirty) oil companies in the Green Agenda. It’s their thing! Big Oil wants you to eat the bugs just as much as Claus Schwab does.
Fucken GM, Ford, or Stallantis, wants you to drive an EV and doesn’t give one little shit whether you want it or not. They learned how they can force people to do what they want by making it a “good sounding idea” to the psychopaths in government.
Ford doesn’t give one little shit about whether people want this speed snitch crap. They know that the psychopaths in government will love it! They will make sure that “the government” is the one doing the forcing, while they are “forced” to “comply”.
Poor things. Poor gazillionaire bastards that make our lives less free, less enjoyable, less in our control… so that they can continue vastly increasing their wealth. What are the poor things supposed to do?? Say “no”?
It’s their fucken idea!
XM: “Just like you will find, not just the fingerprints, but the bold and proud participation of all the (dirty) oil companies in the Green Agenda. It’s their thing! Big Oil wants you to eat the bugs just as much as Claus Schwab does.”
For years in the 1970s and 80s the coal industry backed solar panels and promoted green lobbyists in order to kill nuclear power. They saw the writing on the wall, replacing massive amounts of coal with very compact long-running nuclear pellets -a person’s lifetime use of electricity could be produced by the amount of uranium stored in a 12 OZ soda can- and they weren’t going to go down without a fight. And they were able to conceal funding of the green hippie movement, who in turn funded lawyers looking for a payout. And more importantly managed to get the public to turn against nuclear power at the very time we should have been building out on a massive scale. A truly incredible feat of public relations that continues to this day.
The goal isn’t to get you on alternatives, it’s to make sure the available alternatives aren’t viable and suppress the actual game changing technologies. Along the way make sure that you can lock out new production and keep the old investments paying out through limiting supply. Thing is, they can’t keep the real revolutionary ideas suppressed forever. Eventually someone with the right connections and enough “f**k you” money comes along and exploits it.
Can’t make money when there’s plenty.
‘in the 1970s and 80s the coal industry backed solar panels and promoted green lobbyists in order to kill nuclear power’ — ReadyKilowatt
Quite likely. I don’t disagree.
But [gov-sponsored] nuclear plant technology in the 1970s and 80s was shaky at best. Analyses of ‘incidents’ at Three Mile Island and similar nuclear plants showed that the user interface with operators was deeply deficient and poorly understood.
A relative worked on the Comanche Peak nuclear plant project in Texas:
‘Construction of the two Westinghouse pressurized water reactors began in 1974. Unit 1 came online in 1990. — Wikipedia
Multi-generation projects produced some beautiful cathedrals in Europe … and the magnificent Alhambra in Spain. But decades-long nuclear projects inspire zero confidence.
The reason it takes decades to build a new nuclear generating station is legal, not technical. Every nut and bolt is scrutinized by lawyers, the DOE, the courts, the “experts,” the public, and then the DOE again just for good measure. Then if there’s a change order because something at the site wasn’t exactly right (like the survey was off by a few inches, something extremely common before GNSS and RTK precision), the changes need to be approved by the same crew.
Meanwhile the nuclear navy doesn’t seem to be having any issues with submariners sleeping literally a few feet away from the reactor core every night for months on end. Oh, and they are exposed to less ionizing radiation than I am sitting in western Colorado at 5400 ft MSL with much less shielding from old Sol and with nearby uranium mines and other natural radiation sources to boot. Yet Colorado still has one of the lowest cancer rates in the country.
As for the coal vs nuclear industry…
https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-antinuclear-talking-points-coined-coal-interests/
I’ll stop now because this is getting way outside of the subject of automobiles. There’s a wealth of information about the war on plenty waged against nuclear energy if you’re looking for a nice rainy day rabbit hole to go down.
Uranium is a trace element in coal, coal can contain uranium, uraniferous, it is there naturally.
In 1968, Union Carbide rotary kiln burned 50,000 tons of coal, collected the ash, then the ash was sent to a lab to extract the uranium from the coal ash.
Uraniferous soils are out there, a natural element of the 92 regenerative elements in the universe, uranium is one here on the earth.
A prime example of corporate overreach which resulted in the erosion of basic Constitutional rights was taking place during the first real “push” to put teeth into the “drug war” of the 1970s. The drug-testing lab industry really took off as tests for drug use were implemented by most employers that had federal contracts and later spread to just about every employer. Employer-based drug testing became a multi-million dollar industry almost overnight.
Of course, the supreme court” didn’t help by inserting a “drug exception” into the fourth amendment.
It was all downhill from there…
Temperance was pushed by the industrialists because you needed to have sober men to run the heavy machinery. They convinced the OG “Karens” of the world that it was an important issue where they could flex their new political powers.
This problem of the drunk as a public hazard was so successfully marketed across generations that today any alcohol in the system is cause for a life changing event if you meet an AGW. Even refusing a Breathalyzer test is cause for assumptive drunkenness and will lead to a world of hurt and wealth extraction.
What will happen if/when the machines become better at physical tasks than humans? Will there be a renaissance of corner saloons and three martini lunches?
Maybe some day there are going to be people doing retro-mods on newer cars but where you convert it to analog electronics and an older non computerized drive trains instead. Just imagine converting a Lightning to FE power, Top Loader tranny and a 9″ diff!
Or maybe just bring the car to a shop where they mod the computer to disable the snitching.
I have mentioned this before – there are already aftermarket kits to convert older carb engines to a throttle body EFI complete with controller computer. Someone had the smarts to figure out that system so I’m hoping for the same smarts to make a “system” to “fix” newer cars. Especially when the complex factory computing starts to fail and you’re left with a $50k driveway ornament. Make the engine run, and pitch that damn screen & replace with analog switches and knobs for the HVAC.
We’re already doing it, but you won’t like the price. If I spend 6-12 months on a project, that’s potentially $200k worth of time. The end result is great, but if done on commercial scale the communists will have the leverage to shut it down and kidnap/kill the free marketeer. And if you’re trying to avoid detection, that’s a even more elaborate project with a factory computer set in front of the actual one, and lots of input spoofing to make IT live in the matrix. If there is any hope it would be for the work to be done offshore and marketed on the dark webs, and that game is also constantly changing.
The only real answer is to stand up and reclaim your liberty and sovereignty, all the work around like bump stocks and binary triggers are giving legitimacy to the illegitimate governments.
I suspect that mechanical gauges and a Painless Wiring harness would be one way to do it but like Ernie implies; .gov won’t be happy with you.
Tony Angelo is running a carbed LS1 in his C5 Corvette. It’s the current car he is building on his you tube channel.
The more I read about these Nanny State type devices installed in newer vehicles, the more I’m inclined NEVER to buy a new car, let alone one made within the past 10 years or so. I’ve never even subscribed to having one of those small smart meter like devices plugged into my vehicle’s OBD port, though the Biden Thing’s Transportation Secretary once called for a vehicle mileage tax, which I imagine would make it MANDATORY for people who drive an automobile with an OBD port to have a smart meter like device installed.
But we’re to believe that 2 sociopaths running for President & Vice president are running for “freedom”. Given their records, it appears that feedom to them means freedom for government to do whatever it pleases, whether it’s mandating experimental pharma products for the ENTIRE population, drafting men & women off to war, censorship of people who say things they don’t like, or telling people what kind of automobile they can drive.
Hi John,
The two sociopaths running for president prove Mark Twain’s statement that “if voting made a difference, they wouldn’t allow it.” The Uniparty is all about compliance for us serfs. Scott Ritter posted a video calling out the FBI for its raid on his property for publishing the truth that was contrary to the official narrative. I hope he watches his back, since the PTB can’t shut him down he might have an “accident”.
Hi Mike,
There are people who’ve bought the narrative that the upcoming election is between “democracy” (or ” freedom”) & fascism, implying that Trump would bring fascism to America if he becomes President again. Only problem is, we’ve been living under fascism for at least 20 years with different Presidents. It just became blatantly obvious over the past 8 years.
Another day passes, which makes me glad I don’t drive anymore. In spite of the fact I miss driving terribly. But not as much.
‘The patent explicitly states this idea is specific for application in law enforcement vehicles.’ — Ford statement
Why, of course! *slaps palm against forehead*
Just as we were told when the fedgov income tax was introduced in 1913 that ‘it will only apply to the top one percent.’ Now fedgov withholding torments even teenagers working at minimum wage.
Lie to me
I promise I’ll believe
Lie to me
But please don’t leave
–Sheryl Crow, Strong Enough
Law enforcement
Is an evil thing
Watch out
Lest you feel it’s sting
Right and wrong
Have nothing to do
It’s just the overseers whip
For you