The main reason EVs aren’t selling well has to do with the main reason for buying an EV.
People are told how how extremely quick EVs are; that they are much quicker-accelerating than almost any vehicle with an engine, especially otherwise comparable vehicles. And it’s true. The typical EV is very quick. Most EV crossovers are quicker than almost any V8-powered muscle car, even.
For a muscle car, quickness is a hot selling point. It is – along with how they look – the main muscle car selling point.
It’s why they are called “muscle cars.”
But muscle cars were never sold as practical – much less economical – cars. You were buying a muscle car because what mattered most was how much power it had and how quickly it got to 60 and through the quarter mile. Almost nothing else mattered.
Not range, certainly.
It was understood – it was accepted – that a muscle car had not much range because it used up a lot of gas (very quickly) in order to get to 60 in six seconds or so – which was how quick most of the quickest muscle cars of the ’60s and early ’70s were. It didn’t matter, because almost no one bought a muscle car with the idea that it would be their daily driver – much less their family vehicle. It would be like a woman buying a bikini to go to work – at the bank – in.
Also, it didn’t matter that a muscle car’s range was not-much because even if it got 6 miles-per-gallon, it only took a minute or two to put six gallons back in the tank. Five minutes or so to completely fill it. So even if a muscle car could only go 150 miles in between fill-ups, it didn’t matter all that much – at least in terms of the inconvenience – because it could be ready to go another 150 in five minutes or so.
But EVs aren’t muscle cars – at least not primarily. Most are sedans or five-door crossovers, like the ’24 Volvo XC40 Recharge I recently test drove. Vehicles, in other words, that are supposed to serve primarily as practical transportation.
Not – primarily – as quick transportation.
That’s when quickness becomes a problem.
Evidently, Volvo understands this. It is why Volvo – and I use this as specific example to make the general point – altered the 2024 XC40 Recharge to emphasize practicality over performance. The XC40 Recharge originally came standard with 400-plus horsepower and two electric motors that turned the wheels very quickly, emulating the Tesla marketing model. This five-door crossover is as quick (zero to 60 in about 4.5 seconds) as a two-door Mustang GT with a 400-plus horsepower V8.
It is quicker than this writer’s classic V8-powered muscle car.
It takes a lot of power to go that quickly and all that power takes a lot of energy – whether electrical or chemical. Classic muscle car owners – and Mustang GT buyers – don’t care; they own a classic muscle car because it isn’t practical. They buy a Mustang GT because it is quick.
If it were slow, they wouldn’t – irrespective of how practical it might be.
But why do people – most people – buy a five-door crossover such as the XC40? It is not primarily because it is quick – else they’d be looking at something like the Mustang GT. Volvo and other EV makers are trying to sell performance as a way to get people’s minds off of impracticality. 
They are marketing them primarily as performance vehicles. That is the main appeal. More finely, it is the attribute that – so it is hoped – will gloss over the vehicle’s impracticality; the short range and the long time it takes to recharge.
The problem is it’s not working. Most people need a vehicle they can just drive – without constantly having to stop (and wait). How quick it is loses its appeal when you’re regularly not moving at all.
That’s why Volvo removed one of the 2024 XC40 Recharge’s electric motors and cut the power – and so the performance – by about half. Instead of 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds, the single motor, less puissant iteration of the XC40 Recharge gets to 60 in about 6.8 seconds. That takes less power and so you end up with more range. This iteration of the Volvo EV can go just shy of 300 miles before it needs a charge, a gain of about 50 miles.
But the problem now is that this more practical EV has lost what was its main selling point – which was how powerful it was and how quick it was.
Now it’s not.
So why would anyone want to buy it? Especially when they could buy an almost-literally-identical vehicle – the non-electric version of the XC40 – that is just as middling quick but has more range and costs just shy of $13k less?
You see the problem. And so does Volvo. Just too late.
It is a problem of the EV’s own making. More finely, it is a problem arising from the decision most EV makers and specifically Tesla made to emphasize power/performance over practicality and efficiency. Tesla started it – and (like lemmings) the rest of the car industry followed. The mistake they made was failing to grasp that Tesla was marketing its performance EVs to affluent people who could afford to indulge an impractical vehicle.
Most buyers need a practical vehicle.
If it’s also quick, great. But it must be practical, first.
So far, these are irreconcilable differences. You can have power/performance – if you’re willing to accept the costs. Or you can have practicality (and affordability) if you’re willing to give up power/performance.
But you cannot have both together without compromising one – or the other.
It’s worth a mention here that it is government’s pushing of EVs that resulted in the selling of them as impractical performance vehicles. The market was not allowed to operate and so the market incentives to offer a new product that cost less and worked better for its primary purpose were ignored. Tesla’s trick was to make EVs seem sexy – being quick and powerful. But it was just that, a trick.
One played on us.
It enabled Tesla to change the focus of EV development away from practicality and affordability to exactly what the focus ought not to be – if, that is, the end goal is to make EVs a better alternative to vehicles that aren’t.
As opposed to something else – to further a very different goal.
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Hybriding will be the long-term success story.
Unfortunately, I doubt I’ll ever see the 1/2 ton hybrid cargo van that I long for, so my 2003 E-150 has a reman engine and transmission that will likely make it the last van I’ll ever live in down by the river, where I wouldn’t need a supercharger.
If I was given (no desire at all to buy) one EV in a raffle or else I would sell it right away and get a gasoline car… I love the smell of gasoline in the morning and shooo WEF and shooo UN and shooo WHO!!!
Amen, Chau –
If I were given an EV, it’d be on Craigs List next day. I’d use the proceeds to buy something worth having. Like that ’91 LandCruiser I wrote about a few weeks back!
So EV’s are basically aimed at a niche or boutique audience of people who like to think of themselves as eco friendly and therefore own an eco friendly muscle car that can also double as the family sedan as well. Other than government interference and the fact that the raw materials for the batteries are coming from child slave labor, I’m not so sure I have a problem with that.
Except taxpayers are subsidizing these boutique EV buyers… rebates to buyers, subsidizing charging stations etc… billions of dollars.
I don’t like paying for that
You might be right Clive, but my understanding is that taxpayers simply pay taxes which cover the interest on the debt owed. So, it’s the system that is the problem rather than all the incidental expenditures, no? The ultra wealthy don’t pay any taxes, and more people with considerably less money are jumping on the bandwagon and exiting that scam as well.
The government isn’t getting any significant amount of my money through taxes anymore so I’m not sure I care what they waste taxpayer money on. It’s not my money.
It’s why the US is over $30 trillion in debt… liberal ideas
Sure, but then using THEIR fiat currencies kinda makes blaming them ring hollow. There’s an ancient axiom which states: “You can’t cheat an honest man.” When a group of private bankers get together to create a Ponzi scheme lending money at interest from bank accounts with no money in them, only fools will gladly allow themselves to be defrauded.
In their literature, the Fed openly brags about the fact that they’re engaging in legalized fraud. Anyone who plays THEIR game and uses THEIR money is just as much to blame as those perpetrating this fraud.
It should also be noted that THEY know fiat currency isn’t wealth which is why they take their fiat and buy real wealth with it.
Their currency openly proclaims for all to see that their “NOTES” are legal tender. A note represents DEBT. It represents slavery to ANYONE who chooses to use it.
We’re forced to use Fiat money. It’s illegal to manufacture currency. The govt created a monopoly on money.
You’re forced to use fiat currency, but that doesn’t mean anyone else is. Yes, it’s illegal to manufacture currency, but the government didn’t create a monopoly on money. Currencies are NOT money. There is also no government edict or barrier to engaging in trade or barter. Some may find it an inconvenience, but I’ve yet to encounter that hideous phrase, “sorry our computers are down” whenever I trade with anyone else.
The Fed Is the illegal entity birthed from the liberal progressives in the early 20 th century.
It’s time well past too shake the tree of liberty
Unconstitutional, unethical, immoral, idiotic? No doubt about it, but I’m not so sure the Fed is illegal.
I’m sure there are plenty who would like to see the tree of liberty shaking, but as corrupt and deserving of imminent death as everyone in Congress and the government agencies fabricating their own onerous revenue generating regulations are, I’ll leave that to the blood thirstiest of those seeking liberty.
Battery in this owner’s 2020 Tesla Model Y Long Range died at 64,000 miles
Tesla gave him a dirty loaner car…..and he didn’t get a new battery…the replacement was refurbished…used…
The EV liars say these batteries last 100’s of thousands of miles….lol…way too much misinformation and lies about EV’s has been spread by the EV pushers….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0aKsgcyYI
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While governments around the world, including that of the U.S., are DEMANDING Net Zero and “EVs for all!”, more and more dark secrets about EVs and the lithium ion batteries that power them are coming out…..
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A muscle car does NOT have to be a pig on gas. I have a 2018 Dodge Charger AWD Pentastar that I supercharged. It puts out 602hp and averages 30mpg. On the Interstate it gets 41mpg and has a 729 mile range per tank. Dodge was supposed to put blowers on the Pentastar but never did. So I did. They didn’t want to make the SRT-6 so I did and those are my results. The only thing my exhaust does is grow trees and anyone who says that’s not so is a liar.
Nice job. I’d love to see some details of your build. I have a penta star in a town&country and know it’s a great motor.
I put a Ripp supercharger kit on it, ported manifolds, 80mm Hellcat throttle body, hardened head bolts and huge fuel injectors. Since it’s an AWD, it’s a police interceptor with highway gears. It only turns 1,700 rpms at 72 mph. At 72 mph, you have a whole another car.
I also topped it off with a tuned cat-back Borla S all stainless exhaust system. The computer runs on the stock 93 octane Ripp tune. If you run on E-85 you can get another 100 hp out of it. I believe the Pentastar with 2-stage cams is the most advanced V-6 on the planet. If it was made into a V-8 it could easily top 1,000 hp. But you do need oil catch cans on anything newer than 2016. That includes your Town & Country. They ruined the EGR system in 2016.
It’s interesting to note that the Pentastar easily handles all this because the whole lower half of the engine is already hardened from the factory. I did the top half myself by adding the hardened head bolts.
I’m all in at half the price of a Hellcat.
We have a government dictating constantly that we have a severe global warming problem. And then they go on to push EVs as part of the answer of taming global warming but EVs are polluting the world especially in the manufacture of their batteries. They can be fire prone and not very recyclable and we all know how the liberals are nutz over re-cycling. They want you to re-purpose everything but don’t mind selling you a spanking new EV costing $75,000.
Furthermore, they want to run the world on solar and wind energy while recharging millions of EVs suck the power out of the electrical grid that flimsy green power can never satisfy. It’s all so stupid and impractical as most of government is. Global warming is fake and the ultimate purpose of EVs is control of your movements and life. That’s what self driving vehicles are all about and that is another “hackable” boondoggle that will fail miserably.
The marketing wizards have failed again and that does not leave me sad.
The back and forth here between a few satisfied EV owners has focused on a minor benefit, saving the time it takes to gas up at the station. To me, time spent on this activity is almost insignificant. So that sounds like kind of a silly argument. The cost savings of not buying the gas, well ok, as long as the cost of the electricity and cost to upgrade your electrical is factored in. But there are many variables involved in choosing a car, such as type and style of vehicle, new or used etc. Cars are getting more and more expensive, but you still do not need to spend $60,000 on one.
But i recognize individuals have different priorities. I fully support having the choice to buy whatever car fits your priorities. I just do not want to be forced into buying something that does not fit my needs, particularly when the type of car being pushed (an EV) is essentially being regulated into the market, driven by lies about how much better it is for the environment and used by politicians to essentially threaten to replace all gas cars. So if there is anger on the subject in this forum I think it stems from this concept.
Ditto, RS –
I have never understood the argument that some EV defenders present about not having to “wast time” at a gas station. It takes almost no time and – more important – is convenient. It can be done without much or even any planning/forethought. Just pull in, get a tankful and be done in 3-5 minutes. Very hard, as I see it, to make a case that it’s “easier” or “more convenient” to plan around waiting at least 20 minutes to partially charge an EV at a “fast” charger – or hours, at home.
Yeah thats a minor factor. There are many gas stations on my driving routes, all allowing me to get 400 miles of fuel in about 5 minutes. No, the major appeal of having a car is the ability to have personal transportation almost anywhere at any time of my choosing. If I need to get some place, I jump in the car. I may occasionally want transportation at an odd hour, (someone gets sick, relative needs help, fire, earthquake, early morning road trip – whatever – point being I want reliable transportation available at ANY time of day, period. Right now there is no reason not to have that. To be guilted, lectured and forced to give that up with the argument that it is necessary to save the planet is bs and part and parcel of constantly now being told we must accept inferior products and services because our government says so. Since 2021, to add injury to that insult, we are now also being lied to and told we should inject dangerous drugs into our bodies. These dictats are all related. Enough. I, and many other people, have finally had enough.
Indeed, RS –
I think you’ll appreciate my next column…
It’s only started in the stupid department so get the popcorn ready. The new news is saying almost unbelievable things about the new silver batteries coming out. At the same time the economy is tanking and dangerous criminals from other countries are running wild in the U.S. the price of silver is going to go to the roof and beyond. Drivers driving with a silver treasure chest in their EV will be at risk of injury and death with our new breed of ruthless criminals running wild. The answer is out in plain view and has been, hybrids which are the best common sense answer to the topic of the EV matter. If it’s really about gasoline/energy but common sense tells a different story, it’s about control and always has been.
Control and forced compliance is a huge part of this whole EV issue…
You don’t own your EV vehicle… you own a bunch of hardware, tires, batteries etc… you don’t own the software. It is licensed and the manufacturers can change it turn it off, limit or add uses functions etc.
If the government directs tesla to limit use, or speed to location, Tesla can so this without your permission.
A friend was an early purchaser of a Tesla and he had a minor fender bender… Tesla rendered his car inoperable until he got our repaired, at a Tesla service place for over $11k…
EV owners get their purchase subsidized by manufacturers and the government… you and I help pay for EV buyers to by their hardware and license software… major manufacturers take huge losses on the sales of EVs that the rest of the public pays for when they buy their own ICE cars…
Don’t get me started on my tax dollars paying for EV rebates… it’s pure theft from the American taxpayer…
You want an EV? go ahead buy one, don’t expect the rest of us to supplement your purchase
EVs had 3 problems when first introduced: The lack of horsepower, the range, and the charging time.
As this article avers, they have solved the power problem. They have made some progress on the range problem, but not enough. But the charging time is the biggest problem. I’m no electrical engineer, but I do have a physics degree, and I don’t see how they ever will solve it. The current would have to be enormous. If one were to use an EV to commute, with the added expense of a charger in the garage, as well as the added cost of the vehicle itself, it would work. But you’d better be commuting to a high paying job.
Road trips? Fuggeddaboudit!
It is scientific illiteracy that is responsible for the (limited) “success” of EVs today–until these same scientific illiterates find out about extended charging times and limited range. Basic scientific principles are not taught in schools, being replaced by “touchy-feely” environmentalism and how humans are destroying the planet (yeah, right).
It is my humble opinion that us boomers are of the last generation who took science and technology seriously, with a hunger to know how and why things work. Us boomers had electrical and mechanical systems that we could work on and improve on ourselves. Basic scientific principles were taught in school and reinforced with hands-on experimentation.
In today’s climate (and the climate of two previous generations) experimentation on the level of the 1950s and 1960s is seen as “too dangerous”. I can remember the chemistry sets of the day being sold with toxic compounds which could be used for nefarious (and fun) purposes. Such sets are banned today.
Today’s prime example of the public’s scientific stupidity being pushed by political considerations is that of electric vehicles, most people (even supposedly “educated” types) enthusiastically jumping on the bandwagon despite the major deficiencies and problems these vehicles have.
Let’s look at the technical side of electric vehicles vs. ICE (internal combustion engine) vehicles. Range is a large factor in the desirability of ICE vehicles vs. today’s electric vehicles. One can fuel up an ICE vehicle in approximately five minutes and be on his way.
Not so for electric vehicles. Quite often electric vehicle charging stations are few and far between, which contributes to “range anxiety”. For short hops and city driving, electric vehicles can be an ideal solution, but for extended “road trips” forget it.
Electric vehicle batteries lose power even when the vehicle is not in use. (This is akin to a gasoline vehicle with a leaky gas tank). Add to that, cold weather and the use of accessories (air conditioning, heat, lights, etc) will reduce range considerably. Electric vehicles may be somewhat suitable for a California climate, but will fail in sub-zero Michigan winter snow and ice.
Batteries can be charged only to 80% of full capacity as overcharging will reduce battery life considerably. “Fast charging” is also detrimental to battery life. It’s all about time and convenience vs. battery life.
Gasoline and diesel fuel has an large energy content (density) in a small package, something that, in their present stages of development, electrical vehicles cannot achieve.
Let’s make a comparison…gasoline contains approximately 33.7 kwh per gallon. A gallon of gasoline weighs approximately 6.1 lbs. The typical ICE vehicle can hold about 15 gallons of gasoline with a weight of approximately 90 lbs. total, with a total energy content of approximately 500 kwh.
High-end electric vehicles have an energy capacity of approximately 120 kwh. This is equal to less than four gallons of gasoline. The typical electric vehicle has a 75 kwh battery pack, equivalent to approximately 2 ½ gallons of gasoline.
Keep in mind that the battery pack weight is well over 2000 lbs (1 ton) and still has a limited energy capacity compared to gasoline. The typical electric vehicles weighs approximately 2 ½ tons (5000 lbs.), having to haul around a heavy battery pack. This also contributes to “wear and tear” on other automotive systems such as brakes and tires. (Yes, I am aware that regenerative braking exists and is a part of electric vehicle technology).
From an environmental standpoint, lithium is nasty stuff, reacts with water violently and is much more volatile than gasoline. Electric vehicle accidents are much more hazardous than those of ICE vehicles. Water cannot be used to put out a lithium battery pack fire.
Yes, gasoline is dangerous, but we have learned to control it and live with it successfully for over 100 years.
Most of today’s generation do not understand basic scientific principles; hence the enthusiasm for electric vehicles which are “not yet ready for prime-time”. The inability of today’s generation to understand basic scientific and engineering principles is responsible for their gullibility and ignorance.
In defense of electric cars. they are a good idea when the free market determines their arrival and viability. C’mon, the idea of a simple electric motor powering a vehicle is a good idea. Simple, clean, no maintenance, etc. Electric motors have one moving part, could be designed to last millions of miles – with no maintenance, who wouldn’t want that?
But the way they are being introduced by government fraud has made them fail. Bribing people to buy them before a free market can supply them for niche markets has created the current EV malinvestment.
Dipshit politicians like Kamala Harris should not be allowed to dictat to us or the market what to build. We will build it when the right time comes, not before. Forcing them on us is just another government crime and boondoggle – another swindle, more wasted public monies, etc. We do not need any help from government to provide ourselves with transportation.
There is no problem with EVs per say, the real problem is this idea that some men have a right to force other men what to choose. This idea of initiating the use of force comes right out of the Old Testament – the evil Jew is instructed by “god” to kill. That false idea is what is plaguing us. Be it Gaza genocide or laws outlawing gasoline cars that WE created, the demons plaguing our civilization are these people who have it in their heads they have a right to initiate the use of force (for god or saving the planet).
God has never been proven, neither has Global Warming. Think about it, we are being destroyed by these nefarious claims. God is invisible. CO2 is invisible. Both are claimed to cause firey hell. The industrial revolution started 200 years ago – but long before that the planet warmed all by itself. Starting around 18,000 years ago, the latest ice age glaciation ended, the ice melted, sending the melt waters into the oceans which went up 300 feet! That had nothing to do with man. Here is the chart: https://www.dandebat.dk/images/1555p.jpg
Unfortunately for us, those political parasites on the boob tube who make laws – don’t read. If you want to know the truth about the warming effect of CO2 on earth, read this:
https://www.serendipity.li/climate/hieb/greenhouse_data.html
Scroll down to TABLE 4a and associated chart/text:
“Anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contributions cause only about 0.117% of Earth’s greenhouse effect, (factoring in water vapor).”
0.117% rounded to the nearest integer is zero, and so small it is not even measurable. Yet they are outlawing ICE cars. Politicians are ignorant arrogant assholes, and should not be listened to, they should be despised, stoned, guilotined.
Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas overall, being responsible for 41–67% of the greenhouse effect, but its global concentrations are not directly affected by human activity.
Your source is claptrap junk science.
Richard, What is your source?
“a simple electric motor powering a vehicle is a good idea. Simple, clean, no maintenance, etc.”
But….the reality is these EV’s and plug in hybrids are the most defective, unreliable, unfix-able pieces of crap ever invented….there is almost no techs that know how to fix them and there is no parts available…the end…brand new EV’s are being scrapped if they have a problem….
Because of these problems EV’s depreciate far faster then ice cars…depreciation…the biggest cost in a car….so EV’s cost far more to own/run…
ice cars are far more reliable and problem free in comparison….tech’s can fix them and parts are available….
EV’s cost more, insurance costs more, they are more dangerous…fire hazard…they eat tires and damage the roads because they are so heavy…
EV’s consume more fuel…most run off of coal…most of the EV’s are in China, 80% of the electricity there is generated by coal….that is not green…zero emission is the biggest lie ever told….lol
EV’s and plug in hybrids are the most defective, unreliable, unfix-able pieces of crap ever invented…..because….way too much electronic crap, computers etc. and they have a very complicated cooling system for the very fragile lithium fire bomb battery….no OBD2 like diagnostics and no techs that can fix them…and no parts available….
throw them in the bush….
suck, squish, boom, whoosh. Valves, lots of bearings, oil pump, oil getting dirty in the hot violent explosions of your engine. Doesn’t spin too fast, you have to bolt a gear box to it to get the speed you want. Exhaust pipes rust out so go to Midas. Belts breaking, timing chain stretched, fuel pump in the tank has a clogged filter, spark plugs need replacing. Boiling water “cools” the engine, never a hazard there. Just “fuel up” at a gas station, if they’re open, and near by. No one ever runs out of gas.
Unless you buy a luxury EV, they’re no more expensive than other cars, some cost less. Tires on my EV went 60K miles. What about yours? Don’t have an EV? Of course not, because if you did, you would know that most of what you said is false.
If EVs are so great – such a superior alternative that saves money and so on – then why is it necessary to subsidize them and use regulations to force them onto the market? Was it necessary for the government to subsidize CDs (and later, digital music)? To push cassette tapes off the market via onerous regulations that made them hard to sell?
The least expensive “entry level” EVs cost about $30k to start – or nearly twice as much as an economy car such as a Mitsubishi Mirage or Nissan Versa that goes much farther and takes mere minutes to fully refuel and that will never need a battery that costs as much as the car, itself, did. Also, if you want an EV that’s large enough to be a viable family vehicle, the cost will be closer to $50k. About twice the cost of a viable non-EV family car such as a Camry.
Please explain how the EV that costs $15-plus more up front and goes not nearly as far and takes much longer to get going again and that depreciates much faster and has a shorter useful lifespan due to the replacement cost of its battery pack is “superior” as a vehicle; i.e., a means of practical personal transportation.
When I run out of gas, I can buy a gallon of gas and bring the gallon back to the car. Small inconvenience. Try bringing a can of volts back to your EV. You talk about maintenance costs – as if EVs didn’t also have them. I call BS on your claim that you got 60,000 miles on a set of tires. That is damned hard to do with a regular car and every EV weighs much more and applies much for torque (friction) to the tires, reducing tire life by about 30 percent.
I suspect you’re just a bot. Or an “influencer” – and your powers don’t work here.
You are a misinformation spreading, lying bot……full of bullshit….
Do NOT Buy A Tesla….this guy actually owns a Tesla….here is the real story on Tesla/EV tire wear….
Needs new tires every 5000 miles..costs $2000…..he has replaced the tires 5 times….$10,000 gone…EV’s really save money….lol
and….EV’s need more expensive special tires….greastly increasing EV cost of ownership compared to an ice car….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRt3d7C3I4&pp=ygUSZXYgb3duZXIgbmlnaHRtYXJl
….EVs are great ICE cars suck….you are a lying bot spreading bs…..
JD Powers and Consumer Report…recently released the data on ice, EV, hybrid and plug in hybrid vehicle reliability, incidence of repair, number of problems per 1000 vehicles….
EV’s and plug in hybrids had far more problems then ice powered vehicles, they are the most problem filled vehicles ever produced…and they said they were supposed to be more reliable…lol…they are liars….lying to customers…now they are being sued….
But….the reality is…shown in the data…. that EV’s and plug in hybrids are the most defective, unreliable, unfix-able pieces of crap ever invented….there is almost no techs that know how to fix them and there is no parts available…the end…brand new EV’s are being scrapped if they have a problem….
Because of these problems EV’s depreciate far faster then ice cars…depreciation…the biggest cost in a car….so EV’s cost far more to own/run…
ice cars are far more reliable and problem free in comparison….tech’s can fix them and parts are available….
No new ice cars are being scrapped because they have one small problem and can’t be fixed…..
You could spread lies about EV’s when they first came out and had zero road miles….now there is data…a track record….it is getting far harder…..
The law suits have already started……
Let’s not forget that EVs “leak” even when not being used. That is akin to having an ICE vehicle with a leaky gas tank.
In cold weather, EVs “leak” even more, using power to keep the battery pack warm.
In extremely cold weather, charging capacity will only be enough to keep the battery pack warm with not enough “juice” available to actually charge the battery.
That’s true, Anarchyst –
I ought to have mentioned it my XC40 Recharge review. When it was warm – the day/day after they dropped it off – it only lost a few miles of range from sitting overnight. But when it got cold – 40s overnight here the other day – it lost 10 miles of range just sitting unplugged outside overnight. That is a significant loss when the maximum best case range is only about 293 miles fully charged.
VW XL1 hybrid diesel …300 mpg highway….
The XL1 was initially unveiled at the Qatar Motor show in 2011. It was fitted with a teeny, mid-mounted 800cc two-cylinder diesel engine producing just 48bhp, which was then linked to a 5.5kWh lithium-ion battery and a 27bhp electric motor, meaning a lofty total output of 75bhp. That power (or lack of it) was sent to the faired-in rear wheels by a seven-speed DSG gearbox.
It was light, though. The body was made from carbon fibre reinforced polymer, the wheels from magnesium and the dampers, steering column and brake callipers from aluminium. ….no rust problems…..
That all meant a 795kg kerb weight, about 1750 lb…….while still meeting all the latest crash-safety requirements. ………no need for modern cars to be over weight…
The body and frame are designed with crush/crumple zones and roll-over protection, and the tandem seating means large side crush zones. Volkswagen claims protection comparable to a GT racing car. The car has anti-lock brakes, airbags with pressure sensors, and stability control…..it only weighs 1750 lb……
why are modern ice cars 3000 to 4000 lb and Ev’s up to 5000 lb or more? they say it was for the so called safety crap….lol
VW says it requires just 8.4 hp to keep the car moving at a steady 60 mph on flat pavement–less than half the power required for the same task in the company’s most economical European production model……why do we need 5000 lb…1000 hp electric cars?
Race-car steering
The unexpectedly fun part of driving the XL1 was the handling.
The unassisted steering–and when’s the last time you drove a car without power steering?–is extremely quick, far closer to that of a track racing car than a street vehicle.
5000 lb EV’s drive like a huge over weight 5 ton truck….lol
and the super slippery body gave the XL1 a drag coefficient of just 0.186, so it remains the most aerodynamic road-going production car ever.
We say production car – only 200 were ever built, so the buyer of this one will join a pretty exclusive hypermiling club. Members of that club will be getting around 313mpg too.
diesel ……so no tune ups like gas ice…
diesels can go 400,000 miles an EV is scrap at 100,000 miles….the very expensive battery is dead…
ATTENTION: The Volkswagen Golf BlueMotion ice diesel has emissions of 85g CO2 per km
the VW XL1 hybrid diesel produced emissions of 21g of CO2 per km…far cleaner then an EV….
A current-model large EV car emits about 88 grams of CO2 per kilometer,…EV’s are way dirtier….lol
Volkswagen XL1 Diesel-Hybrid 300 mpg highway
An average EV gets about 20.8 mpg…
the lowest depreciation….. average used price history $103,970, ….. one sold for $134,000 used….original MSRP of around $128,113….
it was only made in 2015, that is 7 years depreciation…..a $128,000 ice vehicle in 7 years is worth about $42,000…..
after 100,000 miles, about ten years, a $50,000 EV is worth zero because the very expensive…$22,000 to $29,000 battery is dead….
Produced solely for the 2015 model year, the XL1 saw only 200 examples built.
sounds like the best car ever built……with today’s fuel prices….
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/hybrid/buy-volkswagen-xl1-auction-become-hypermiler
As a young man in the 80s I had a diesel VW Rabbit. Bought it used. The first owner put another gas tank in it so at 50MPG it had a 1,000-mile range, and cost $15 to fill up. A great car for a young man without much money. And with 48HP, I never got a ticket.
Hi Gordon,
Yup.
I drove a Beetle for several years as my daily driver after college in the early ’90s. Great little car that was a great option for a young guy with not much money to spend. EVs take that option away from young people today.
Tesla ended up being very practical for me. I live in the country, 30 minutes to town, and we go to town a lot, kids events, Church, groceries, etc. We had a $60k vehicle, just one, and my wife and I would use it alternately. It was working, for sure. We spent $500-$600 per month on gas.
I did the math, and decided to sell that vehicle and purchase 2 used Tesla’s at $30k per vehicle. Our monthly “gas” bill for the same amount of driving went down to $40 per month per vehicle.
So, we’re saving money and I have 2 vehicles instead of 1.
I charge at home overnight and don’t have to waste time at a gas station, which is more convenient and a time saver.
I can’t stand government mandates, and think the market should decide things. For me, it was simple math that came down to more money in my pocket every month.
Hi Pw,
Have you factored in the cost of replacing the used Teslas battery packs? This is a part of the expense of owning an EV – whether you pay for it directly or in terms of depreciation. The latter running about 30 percent worse than a typical non-EV.
I don’t understand “wasting time at a gas station.” It never takes me more than 5 minutes to get a full tank – and then I’m set for a week.
A number of years ago my motor blew in my beautiful black Dodge with less than 100k miles on it. Yes, I have considered replacement costs, but let’s not conclude that everything is roses when it comes to ICE vehicles, it’s still a roll of the dice. Do I get a lemon? That question is the same, IVE or not.
The majority of Tesla’s go well over 100k without needing a battery replacement. So, I rolled the dice. I’ll let you know when I get there if it pans out for me.
As for time, assuming it only takes 5min every time you fill up, though we all have been at a gas station much longer, that 5 min per week ends up at 4.5 hours per year. That’s 4.5 hours back to me when skipping the gas station.
Hi Pw,
I hear you on regular (non electric) vehicles having expensive problems sometimes. And such problems are becoming more common due in part to the complexity of new vehicles.
As far as Teslas going well over 100k without a battery replacement: I suspect longevity has a great deal to do with how the car is charged – and how often. EV battery packs last longest when they are not regularly subjected to “fast” charging; but that means having to wait hours/overnight for a charge at home. And avoiding long trips – assuming you don’t mind lots of waits along the way. That can work, if you plan around it. It’s the having to plan around it that can be a problem.
As far as the wait (again) at a gas station: I haven’t had to wait more than a few minutes for gas in years, possibly more than a decade. I can’t recall. But one always waits at a “fast” charger. Twenty minutes at least – for a partial charge.
I also live in the country – about 30 miles away from town. When I get an EV to test drive, it arrives partially charged (because some of the charge is used to get it here) so that leaves enough for a trip downtown and back, typically.Maybe two. Then it has to sit for a day to charge back enough to drive again – unless I want to sit downtown at a “fast” charger!
How the EV is charged does have a lot to do with it, agreed. We charge to 80% regularly which has done really well for us, and is better for the battery in the long run.
Like I said, we charge at home overnight, so even though it does technically take longer to charge than filling a gas tank, we don’t feel it in reality as we’re asleep during the process. So it really does give us more time back, and we don’t have to make the extra stop at the gas station.
I’ll say this, if I couldn’t charge at home, these Tesla’s would be a no-go for me. So any scenario outside of charging at home, I agree with you completely.
That’s 4.5 hours back to me when skipping the gas station.
Or about half the time it takes to charge your Tesla at home – once.
EV’s and plug in hybrids….
They are very complicated, unreliable and problem filled…
The next problem is there is almost zero techs that know how to fix them….
There is no parts available to repair them….there is no OBD2 like standard to diagnose them…..
Because of this brand new EV’s are being scrapped when they malfunction….the biggest clusterf…ck ever….
Lawsuits coming….
Do NOT Buy A Tesla
Needs new tires every 5000 miles..costs $2000…..he has replaced the tires 5 times….$10,000 gone…EV’s really save money….lol
Paid $139,000 for the car…after only 18 months Tesla offered him $62,000 trade in value on a new car….
but….he stills owes $100,000 on the car…..if he gets in an accident the insurance company only pays out $62,000…so he still owes $38,000…a loss….he has no gap insurance….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRt3d7C3I4&pp=ygUSZXYgb3duZXIgbmlnaHRtYXJl
“Needs new tires every 5000 miles
Total BS if you think this applies to all Teslas. The Tesla average is from 20K to 40K miles per set of tires.
Greene you full of it….just spewing lies….you just make stuff…this is a real Tesla owner’s experience….he has more credibility then you….lol
This was an actual Tesla owners experience….phone him and tell him he is a liar…watch the video….
He said…His Tesla needs new tires every 5000 miles..costs $2000…..he has replaced the tires 5 times….$10,000 gone…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRt3d7C3I4&pp=ygUSZXYgb3duZXIgbmlnaHRtYXJl
EV’s….100,000 miles from a $20,000 battery = 20 cents a mile…..for the cost of the battery…
EV’s….plus the recharging cost….depending on where you charge some EV owners are paying more for electricity for charging, then their old ice powered car’s gas bill….could be another 10 cents a mile….
Electricity costs are going up faster then gas prices…..
plus the cost for tire wear per mile is higher in an EV…plus higher purchase price, higher depreciation cost, higher insurance cost, higher maintenance costs, all this should have been disclosed to the EV buyer when purchasing…no informed consent…the customer was just lied to by everyone…some are suing now….lol
A 50 mpg ice car at $5.00/gallon = 10 cents a mile….way cheaper to own/run…..
all the problems, issues, dangers, etc, about EV’s should have been disclosed to the EV buyer when purchasing…no informed consent…the customer was just lied to by everyone…some are suing now
make a file full of all the lies told consumers about EV’s,,,from the government, manufacture’s advertising, social media disinformation spreaders, car salesmen, etc….
then start a lawsuit…..some people already have….because it cost them lots of money……
When will you stop repeating the myth of replacing the used Teslas battery packs?
They will not need to be replaced 98.5% of the time and the 1.5% replacements are almost always for physical damage.
It is possible range will be down up to 20% after 200,000 miles of battery use, including some fast charging, but that does not make an EV worthless.
Frequent use of faster rapid charging has been shown to slightly increase the rate of battery degradation. A study testing two Nissan Leafs showed that exclusive DC rapid charging increased the rate of degradation by 16% when compared to AC fast charging.
There is a huge list of EV problems and disadvantages to complain about. The false claim that EV batteries will have to be replaced makes an author into a fiction writer.
There is no such thing as fast charging, faster rapid charging, DC rapid charging or AC fast charging. The chargers you have in mind probably do exist, but are neither fast nor rapid.
Richard,
You apparently do not read the EV manufacturer’s own statements regarding the loss of charge capacity over time; the latter accelerating if the battery is regularly subjected to “fast” charging. Most Teslas (most EVs) are driven short distances and not used as daily drivers. Most Tesla owners, for instance, have a second “back up” vehicle that is used while the Tesla slow charges – at home.
If an EV is not used regularly and not subjected to regular “fast” charging it may have lost “only” 20 percent capacity after 200,000 miles. Even that is something that would never be tolerated in any other vehicle.
My comment was based on test data. It was confirmed by not publicly available Ford test data. The claim that fast 480 volt DC charging has a large effect on battery life is an exaggeration. Very few BEV owners do a lot of 480 volt Dc charging because BEVs are terrible for long trips. If you can’t charge at home, why would you buy a BEV? I can’t figure out why people buy them who can charge at home.
If the buyer was willing to buy a BEV with a 250 mile range, and it was down to 200 miles after 20 years, his or her BEV is NOT worthless.
BEV owners tolerate a lot of problems and disadvantages. They should have their heads examined.
Please be aware that in some states such as Michigan you have to pump your own gasoline. Not pleasant in the winter even if just for five minutes. And our winters are much warmer than 50 years ago. We love global warming.
The claim that fast 480 volt DC charging has a large effect on battery life is an exaggeration.
The claim that 480 volt DC charging is fast is a lie.
Hi Stufo,
I have pointed out to Greene – several times now – that it says right there in the (EV) owner’s manual to avoid regular “fast” charging to extend the life of the battery. He calls this an “exaggeration.”
Greene you are lying about these EV batteries…..
Here Is Why Electric Cars Are Not The Future!…in the video he lists many issues with EV’s…
@ 15:37 in video…Some EV owners have seen their batteries degrade to unacceptable levels in 2 years or 70,000 km….about 42,000 miles…..
Some EV owners are abandoning their cars….because the battery is dead and the EV has no value….
But the EV liars say EV batteries last 100’s of thousands of miles….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03-cF_ozoQs
Greene you are lying….here is an actual Tesla owner’s experience….
Battery in this owner’s 2020 Tesla Model Y Long Range died at 64,000 miles
…. he didn’t get a new battery…the replacement was refurbished…used…they don’t give you a new battery…
The EV liars say these batteries last 100’s of thousands of miles….lol…way too much misinformation and lies about EV’s has been spread by the EV pushers….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0aKsgcyYI
I charge at home overnight and don’t have to waste time at a gas station, which is more convenient and a time saver.
The time it takes to charge your Tesla at home significantly exceeds the time it would take to fill up the tank of an ICE-powered car – we’re talking several hours instead of a few minutes. So it’s not a time saver at all, quite the contrary.
Of course, you could convince yourself that it is more convenient to spend several hours waiting in one place instead of mere minutes in another, but that would nevertheless not affect how long it takes. Nor would closing your eyes.
From my post above:
Like I said, we charge at home overnight, so even though it does technically take longer to charge than filling a gas tank, we don’t feel it in reality as we’re asleep during the process. So it really does give us more time back, and we don’t have to make the extra stop at the gas station.
Well, you may not realise it, but how long it takes to charge is not affected by how or what you “feel” (!) or whether you are asleep. So my point still stands.
I disagree. I’m talking about time actually spent doing something. I don’t stand there and wait for my cars to charge. This, I’m not spending that time. When I had gas vehicles, I do have to stand there and wait to fill it up.
Time actually spent. I spend less actual time, because the task is done in my sleep.
It’s not a matter of disagreeing. Whatever you’re doing or not doing while waiting for your Tesla to charge is completely irrelevant, since the time you spend waiting for the charger will be exactly the same.
Fact is, the several hours of mandatory charging downtime renders your Tesla unavailable for driving purposes, thus forcing you to refrain from driving during that time period. Whether or not that is a problem for you or something you care about, is a function of your own circumstances, but the time it takes is nevertheless the same.
I find it interesting how so many EV apologists parrot the BS boilerplate about how charging at home takes no time at all, rather than admit that they are willing to adapt to the inferior performance of their EVs. To me, the ubiquity of this behaviour looks like the product of indoctrination.
You sound angry, and I’m sorry for that. I hope we can have civil discourse over these things.
I’m just giving you an account of my lived experience as a Tesla owner. The amount of times I have to wake up and drive my vehicle at 2am or whenever in the middle of the night is effectively zero.
With that in mind, I have literally spent less time of my life doing a certain task, which is fueling my vehicle.
Again, you can talk about statistics all day, but it won’t change the fact that I’m saving time charging Tesla’s at home.
Hi Pw,
Something I’ve discovered – getting EVs to test drive – is that the home 240V Level II setup is EV-specific. I get all makes/models to test drive and some use “this type” and others use “that type.” Since I can’t – won’t – spend the money on multiple/different 240V set-ups, I end up using a standard 120V outlet and that is some really slow charging! Now, granted – the buyer of a particular EV would get a set-up for that particular EV. But it kind of locks him into that brand of EV. The same issue at “fast” chargers, which I discovered when I could not charge a BMW EV at a Rivian “fast” charger. Not having standardized plugs is a real problem in my view.
I agree with the plug type nonsense. This is partly why I want with Tesla. They have the most chargers out in the wild for the rare occasion of long trips (in my case anyway, I’m happy at home in the woods, lol).
What I did at home was install basically dryer outlets. The Tesla mobile charger has interchangeable plugs, so I just got the plug type that matched and was good to go.
This gave me flexibility to switch platforms down the road as well if needed.
Your dedication to copious responses sure makes it sound like you’re a Tesla “influencer.” You seem to have a lot of reasoned answers and anecdotes of your “lived experience,” as if your posts are scripted. As best as I can recall, you have never commented on this site before. I did the math on your gas costs you claim. At $600 per month, which at 20 mph and $4 per gallon, tells me you and your wife drive 30k -36k miles per year. Needless to say I’m a bit incredulous.
Are you some sort of influencer? Do tell.
Not sure why I can’t reply to some posts here, but this is a reply to Mister Liberty asking if I’m a Tesla influencer.
Absolutely not. I read The Liberty Daily (highly recommend) and this article was one of their headlines today. I don’t usually post stuff online, but decided to today for some reason.
I’m a guy suffering from Biden era inflation, and decided to look into how to trim my expenses, the move to Tesla’s was one of those, and it came with other unexpected benefits.
I’m extremely conservative politically, don’t believe the man made climate change hoax, and don’t think a single EV mandate is a good idea. I’m for free market principles, if people want something and it works for them, cool. Tesla’s work great for my situation, but they are surely not for everyone.
I get disheartened by people of my same political leaning however, because they want to kill EVs as much as the left want to kill gas powered vehicles. That’s just as bad. If EVs suck, they will fail in the free market. We can’t become just like them. Let people and the market decide.
Sorry if that was a rant.
Pw: You can do or say anything you want, but your writing shows all the tell-tale signs of being an influencer (i.e a propagandist). I don’t believe a word you say.
By the way, a free market does not exist for EVs,
Mister Liberty:
So because I can write coherently and my experience doesn’t align with your view, you decide to write me off and call me a liar. That is truly sad.
I’m an honest man whether you believe that or not.
Hi Pw,
I appreciate the civility and honesty of your responses. I do not like EVs myself – clearly – but I do like the idea of alternatives. The kind not forced, that are offered organically. I think people ought to be free to buy whatever kind of vehicle meets their needs – and that manufacturers ought to be free to meet those needs. This whole EV thing is divisive because it’s forced.
pw, thank you for your contribution to this thread. EVs have worked for you and that is great for you.
The EV haters here refuse to believe that anyone could be happy owning an EV. Their bias and hostility show.
A lot of EV owners are not happy with their choice and will revert to PHEVs or ICEs the next time they purchase an auto.
In China 50.4% of the auto sales in July 2024 were PHEVs and EVs.
EVs – whether fully electric (BEV) or plug-in hybrids (PHEV) – sold worldwide were at 1.35 million in July, of which 0.88 million were in China, where they were up 31% year-on-year, the data showed. PHEVs sold in China in the first seven months of 2024 were up 70% from last year.
The EV haters here will probably deny these statistics.
Hi Richard,
The hate arises from the obnoxious pushing – and the posturing. I have said repeatedly that I do not oppose EVs, much as I personally have no interest in owning one. Nonetheless, I support the right of others to buy what suits them. But I vehemently oppose the way EVs are being all-but-forced on the market, via regulations that effectively force their manufacture (and sale) as well as the insufferability of many EV “fanbois” who croon about the performance of their EVs – because that performance gives the lie to all the “climate change” rhetoric since the performance so constantly crooned about requires heavier batteries that consume more electricity that entails the use of more resources and power, all of which is gratuitous because unnecessary. EV pushing would be less obnoxious if these government-pushed EVs were required to be as efficient as possible to “reduce C02 emissions.” That is to say, if they were more like the $10k basic transportation EVs sold in China.
If your intention had been to give me “an account of [your] lived experience as a Tesla owner”, you would have conceded that charging your Tesla at home takes significantly longer than filling up the tank of an ICE-powered car, but that the reason a Tesla nevertheless works for you is because you are both willing and able to make that trade-off due to your circumstances allowing it and due to your positive attitude towards EVs.
Instead, you are engaging in blatant pro-EV propaganda that seeks to cement the blatantly false and contradictory (yet surprisingly ubiquitous) narrative that a drastic increase in per-mile downtime somehow magically results in a drastic decrease in per-mile downtime, and to add insult to injury you accuse me of being “angry” when I call your bluff.
Time to fill up gas car: 5 minutes
Awake or asleep? Awake
Time to fill up Tesla: 2-4 hours
Awake or asleep? Asleep
Time I actually spend out of my day to fues gas car (awake): 5 minutes
Time I actually spend out of my day to charge Tesla (awake): 0 minutes
5 is more than 0, so I’m saving time. It’s simple math my friend.
Based on your own numbers, it takes between 2,300 and 4,700 % longer to charge the Tesla than to fill up the petrol tank, which corroborates what I’m saying.
How does the state of your consciousness affect those numbers? The truth is, it doesn’t affect them whatsoever.
But don’t you spend time plugging and unplugging the vehicles? That’s at least a minute or two every night. It’s not a totally timeless activity.
The website won’t let me reply to you below for some reason, so here is your comment, and my reply.
Your comment:
“Based on your own numbers, it takes between 2,300 and 4,700 % longer to charge the Tesla than to fill up the petrol tank, which corroborates what I’m saying.
How does the state of your consciousness affect those numbers? The truth is, it doesn’t affect them whatsoever.”
My reply:
You are talking statistics, I’m talking real-world experience.
Statistically, you are correct. In real life experience, I am correct. Since I am a real person (as most people are), and not a statistic, the real life experience is what matters.
My real life experience is I save time with my Tesla. You can’t argue with that.
The “statistics” vs. “real-world” distinction that you have invented for the occasion merely seems to be your feeble attempt at resolving your own cognitive dissonance, since on the one hand you are unable to demonstrate that I am wrong (and certainly not when I am using your numbers), and yet on the other hand you are unwilling to concede that you are wrong.
The notion that the waiting time for a charger will be greater than zero “statistically” and at the same time zero in “real-world experience” (!), however, is ridiculous, not to mention irrational.
I can only assume that the reason for your irrationality is that you are indoctrinated by pro-EV propaganda, suffering from post-purchase rationalisation, or both.
I think I’ll leave it at that.
“2 used Tesla’s at $30k per vehicle.”
A used Tesla with an older battery is heading for zero value quickly…..when the $20,000 battery is worn out and needs replacement…..unsalable….nobody will buy it and it is not worth fixing…..
When I purchased them, they had 18k and 19k miles on them respectively. Still have the 100k mile factory warranty for the batteries and motors. Hoping to get more miles out of them and run them till they die, we’ll see how they do.
Battery claim is total BS
Greene is spreading lies about China’s EV market….
The reality….
China’s EV Market on the Brink of Collapse—
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGv2XwT_Yb8
There were up to 2000 US car manufacturers at te beginning of the 20th century. Now there ae three:
GM
Ford
Tesla
The US auto industry is still alive.
Most Chinese EV makers will fail too
So what?
For all the environmentalists, it’s downright criminal to mine all the lithium and cobalt (using child slave labor contributing to the total cobalt supply) for EV’s they’re pushing that nobody wants!
What ever happened to strip mining is bad? Love him or hate him, Trump wants to put a stop to this people.
In effect Kamala is in office right now, and she’s effectivly madating people buy more and more flip phones when smartphones are right around the corner.
C’mon, Trump has no intention of ending lithium mining or any other kind of mining. If anything, all mining operations will increase if Trump is to succeed in “making America great again.” We’re not going to get great again simply by reducing insulin prices…or by deporting all the cheap, smelly labor (which incidentally is currently playing Spanish polka outside my window). Our kids sure aren’t ever going to do those jobs. So robot factories to the rescue–like the ones that make Elon’s fold-out, ready-made houses. And robots need LOTS of mined stuff.
I actually have a Volvo Hybrid that puts out 450 hp, sub 5 sec 0 to 60 and a turbo and supercharged 4 cyl ICE… so far best of both worlds…I never charge it via a plug but can still claim EV status and park in EV spaces to charge if I want.
Yes, hybrid is the way to go, but that still runs afoul of affordability as of today. There are also motors in production that will last 500k miles on just about any combustible liquid you pump into them. But the last time I priced out one of those, they were 500k dollars! [They currently power the M1 Abrams.] The point is that we already have great technology that could accomplish all our itinerant needs…but the rich and powerful hoard that tech for themselves and keep us dependent on crap like the 150-year-old gasoline engine. And now, they bait-n-switch us to shiny, cool-kid little slave-mobiles, wholly intended to limit our ability to move around freely. #15MinuteCity
Hi Clive,
Yup! But hybrids aren’t good enough for radical Leftists. Just as they insisted on “zero COVID,” they also insist on “zero emissions,” whether that’s reasonable or feasible or justified.
This article was a hot mess, but duh, everyone by now knows that EVs suck because they get horrible range, take forever to charge, and are too expensive anyway for 75% of the car-owning population, both to buy and repair. Oh, yeah, and they’re ugly AF. Yes, Elon Musk is a world class con artist; except is he really if everyone knows he is? Of course, he’s since traded in his “EV Welfare King” coupon card to become “Free Speech Bro.”
A “hot mess,” Tom?
What exactly is a “hot mess”?
By the way, EVs don’t “get” horrible range. They have comparatively short ranges vs. otherwise similar non-electric vehicles.
A hot mess is, among other things, the condescending, excessive use of dashes to create unnecessary, dramatic pauses because the author is apparently worried that we, the readers, won’t grasp his extra, super, bonus, deep emphasis. It’s really cheesy, sloppy writing style, dude, i.e., hot mess. Another criterion for hot mess may be that you spent about 75% of your article reiterating sophistry about the muscle car mentality. Sorry, how would you know? Did you poll 1000 EV owners? Because it doesn’t ring true at all to me. The 20 or so EV owners I see in my weekly travel routine appear to drive extremely conservatively. They’re more annoying than Subaru owners, even! I’m sure these EVers learn to drive like that really soon after the first time they strand themselves somewhere. That hard lesson was no doubt at an EV drag racing event, sigh. // And why are you hair-splitting about the word “get”? That seems desperately petty of you at this point. But seriously, what else would you assign the rating of “horrible” to if not to the average 200-ish mile range of an EV. HALF of a real car isn’t “horrible” to you? Less than half in the winter is no biggie? Less than half if you fill the EV with 4 people or God-forbid, tow anything with it? My real F150 just “got” 18mpg pulling four tons for 300 miles. My dash showed 80 miles left when I stopped to fill up. The crappy Lightnings are getting about 150 miles max on that haul. I know for a fact that’s true because my impulsive, millennial, libtard nephew owns one. He hauls nothing anymore, ever. Anyway, “getting horrible range”——-the fear of being stranded and humiliated when your uncle comes with his Honda gas generator loaded on the bed of his gas F150 to recharge you (no, that hasn’t actually happened to my nephew, yet)—–that’s a significantly bigger concern to everyone with whom I chat about EVs than, say, Volvos losing acceleration from 0-60. (Yes, the extra dashes are for you. See how annoyingly messy they are?) // Anyway, it was still a thought and dialogue provoking article. Take it as a compliment and a win.
Hi Tom,
I don’t expect everyone or even anyone to like my style of writing; whether it’s “cheesy” – that is, fake – is another matter. I call ’em as I see ’em and if that’s “cheesy” then I guess I’m “cheesy.”!
“Sophistry about the muscle car mentality”? What “sophistry”? That muscle cars are chiefly sold on the basis of power/performance? How is that “sophistry”?
The point I made as regards EVs is that they are specifically designed to be powerful and quick – like muscle cars. It’s the main thing most EV apologists tout. Whether EV drivers actually make use of the capability is a separate matter. I agree with you; most of them – that I encounter – drive like old ladies, not the one from Pasadena, either!
EV drivers….”drive like old ladies”
They are freaked out if they floor it for ludicrous speed…the range will quickly be zero and they will have to get it towed again….
An ice car you can drive at 10 tenths whenever you desire….
Don’t be such a douche bag, Tom SteChatte.
The article was interesting and fun to read. Muscle cars are fun.
EVs are not.
Smaller electric motors don’t save much money but can increase range 5% to 10%. Then you lose the FAST acceleration BEV selling point. After that, what’s left to brag about?
It can take 75,000 miles of BEV driving (Volvo study) to compensate for the 70% higher upfront CO2 emissions versus ICE. Not that CO2 emissions harm anyone, but many people think so.
There are so many problems with EVs – your article made me think that the rapid acceleration could cause a lot of accidents especially for seniors who sometimes make the mistake of hitting the gas (EV?) instead of brakes. They might not be able to stop in time to prevent an accident or handle that level of power. This EV push is REALLY about getting rid of private ownership of cars. If they really wanted alternate transportation, they should be pushing for PUBLIC TRANS, which is far more practical, especially railways. We used to have railways and trolley systems in much of the US, even in my small town a 100 years ago – the trolleys were electrified overhead (instead of individual cars). Why can’t we do this NOW? Because it wouldn’t accomplish the REAL WEF GOAL of eliminating private ownership of cars – only the rich would have them. All the WEF/globalist goals only apply to non-rich people, the rich will always own big cars, jets, air conditioning, eat meat and have all the “luxuries”. They will not deny themselves.
I believe the sudden accel thing is what killed my neighbor. He was under the care of a full-time caregiver, who was driving around to pass the time (do something) and she accidently ended up in their lake. It submerged fast. they both got out barely, but the older man had a heart attack and died on the scene. Sad.
I agree, Mehitable –
EVs have serial – and compounding – problems that force all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuse-making. Not to mention that mandating and subsidizing that supports their manufacturing.
GM’s EV Nightmare: How They Misled Loyal Customers! Electric Vehicles & The Betrayal of GM to Buyers
dive deep into GM’s EV nightmare and how they’ve misled their loyal customers. Discover the shocking flaws and issues with their electric vehicles that have left many disappointed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otK51JnRBA8
This is what woke BS like global warming lies causes….
EV’s are so useless defective and dangerous, the buyers are suing the manufacturers….
EV Owners Are Taking Makers to Court: Electric Cars Are Ruining Lives!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA6a-nQp7Ak
from the comments…
if your dream car is an electric car, than you are really a depressive person…
Drawing the kind of voltage/amperage that it takes too fast charge these things is scary. Having a plug that is fool-proof is not possible. A tiny bit of arcing will damage any electrical component. Couple that with people that have absolutely ZERO mechanical/electrical knowledge, and you have a recipe for disaster.
This could become the next big miss selling scandal. …. Lawyers are going to make a fortune from this. BEV owners need to keep all of your vehicle history.
Monterey Car Week, (aka, Holy Week) just finished uo and fun was abundant as was the traffic. BMW had a fleet of EV’s parked at a local hotel. Right next to them they had 2 large generators. Go figure.
Gotta love the hypocrisy
The switch to electric is not a genuine advancement brought on by improvement. It is brought on by government lies and coercion.
Government never admits they are wrong or are lying. They’ll get the ICEs off the road by hook or crook. Coming to a state near you. Registration fees increase 1000 percent to help pay for climate change. As of now many states have outright bans on ICE cars in 2035.
Since the 1990s, 17 states have enacted laws requiring state emissions policies to mirror those of California. These are the states that follow CARB emissions standards:
California
Connecticut
Colorado
Delaware
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Washington D.C
All of these states and the District of Columbia are likely to officially adopt the 2035 ICE ban in the coming days or weeks.
This will NOT stop until stopped…
Now, for their next reality-defying “trick”, watch as automakers redefine the meaning of “new” vehicle, so that they can just keep trying to resell the vehicles that wouldn’t sell… next year… as new! I mean, I dunno, if that will happen but these fucken people are quite happy to redefine reality to absurdity. Why stop now??
Something ala… “What do you mean, it’s not new?? Never mind when those parts were made, nobody ever owned it before you! It’s new!!”
Remember these are the same people where it somehow makes sense to them that highly educated medical personnel can’t tell you what a woman is or believe that men can give birth and have periods.
How hard would it be to stop defining available cars in terms of “model year” compared to redefining basic biology?? I’m betting not as hard as one might hope.
There is no such thing as an new EV. ALL EVs are used cars.
When an EV sits at the dealers lot, it must be recharged as the batter drains from just sitting there, reducing the life of the vehicle – in other words, using it.
Shouldn’t we be celebrating the demise of EVs? Did government manipulate the market? Absolutely. Did the majority of Americans take the bait? No.
A small majority of people rushed out to get one to “save” $7500 on their taxes. Did they save anything? No, they paid that through higher costs because EVs cost more to manufacture than ICE vehicles. They also paid it in additional interest to finance a higher cost vehicle, more in auto taxes, higher insurance costs, and time.
Personally, I think this is a win for the free market. People will not buy something they do not want. They will just hold onto what they do want for much longer.
Now, let’s work on getting surveillance technology out of cars.
Good morning, RG!
If it were truly the demise of EVs I would agree with you. EVs are the reason I can’t buy a new diesel. EVs are why the average car price is 50K. The people that did this aren’t businessmen. They are bureaucrats who have failed upwards to a point where they believe their own bullshit.
I expect them to triple down, not take the L.
Hi RG,
I’d like to share your optimism; here’s why I don’t: The EV push will become a shove after Orange Fail loses the (s)election. Even if he wins, the die has already been cast in that the car industry has bear-hugged the EV tar baby with both arms. It now cannot break free. We live on borrowed time. And there’s not much of that left.
The auto industry is backtracking. Ford has decided not to push forward with an EV SUV. GM is cutting production on the number of EVs that they are manufacturing. Toyota is fighting tooth and nail to come up with better technology to avoid the EV requirements.
I think the EV war has been won. What hasn’t been won is the the manipulation at the hand of government. EVs were just one of these factors, but the EPA, NHTSA, and DOT started this war back in 1975. Little by little they have encroached on American freedoms and the capitalist market. I blame the auto manufacturers for playing the game. I blame the American public for allowing it to happen.
Yes, they killed the big EV but they are still forging ahead with “affordable” EVs
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/23/ford-ev-strategy-smaller-cars.html
Hi Yeti,
I give Ford about three years before they declare bankruptcy. It is obvious that Jim Farley is an idiot. Right now they are sitting at a stock price of $11.23 per share. If they wish to spend another $1.9 billion dollars to keep doubling down believing that forging ahead with “smaller” EVs and introducing electric vehicles to the fleet market is a workable strategy…go for it.
FYI: He is also a Board Member at Harley Davidson…just saying. Go Indian!
Like his cousin, Jim Farley will soon be living in a van down by the river. The bad news for him is that Ford no longer makes the Econoline.
The local dealer near me just parted ways with Ford after 70 years. Their publicity says it was their choice but the employee I spoke with said Ford pulled the franchise because “they weren’t making them enough money.” BTW, the last time I was there in May, the place was a ghost town compared to the bustle of just a year ago and there was open grousing on the sales floor about how no one wants EeeeVeees even though Ford was demanding they invest absurd money in order to sell them. They’re now an independent a.k.a used car dealer. Probably not for long, either.
Hi RG.
Yeah, that is definitely true. I guess I better sell my truck sooner than later!
I believe it was PT Barnum who said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public…
Will they fall for this?
https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1824883826427850922
*shudders in horror*
Trump is the Greatest President of our lifetimes. Surprised a CNN fan is posting here.
Hi Biff,
This is precisely the problem with Trump – and those who support him blindly. Any criticism of his actions (and words) means one is a “CNN fan” or some other pejorative. Trump must be worshipped like some kind of golden golem.
And that’s why Kamala will win. Even if she steals.
I don’t expect you’ll respond. Rush used to call these kinds of things “drive-bys.”
Always thought that the “ludicrous speed” advertising was, well, ludicrous. Unless you’re way out in the boonies there are no roads where you might be able to use that speed. If you do get the opportunity, perhaps late at night or early morning, you can be sure that your “connected” car will rat you out to the local AGW’s, and you’ll be hit with a ludicrous fine.
The EV apocalypse has arrived, as predicted by this site. No worries, we still have gasoline cars. The car industry is littered with failed models and manufacturers, here is the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States
You should expect a whole bunch of EVs to join that list. For a new technology to overtake an old, like electric cars replacing gasoline ones, the rule of thumb is the new must be 3x better. Not twice as good, three times as good. Are EVs 3x lower in price, efficiency, economy, reliability, safety, weight, refueling times? Not even close, they are twice as heavy, twice as expensive, etc. Thus EVs have not met the criteria to replace ICE cars. That is just the way it is.
A Harris government may be more disaster if they continue to try to shove these devices on us, with increased subsidies, tax bennies, or laws. The Left is full of hair brained idealists clueless about engineering details or economic reality. Hybrids are a decent compromise at this point in history.
Our entire economy is based on petroleum, you can not make that disappear unless you unleash some ET zero point tech that is locked up in aerospace corporations reverse engineering the crashed UFOs (see Bob Lazar material).
BTW Iran and Russia have oil and Israel has none. If we were sane we would be allied with Iran not little shit trouble making genocidal Israel run by religious nutcases. But, of course, we are not sane. Neither the Left or the Right is sane. Amerika is run by Zionist LUNATICS.
The only place I see car charging stations is outside our local Whole Foods. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve parked my car to run in on a hot day, typically in a hurry to get the shopping done before rushing home and see 2 or 3 hapless folks waiting for their EV’s to charge. Most of the time they’re still out there waiting when I return to my car. Killing time on their phones, looking restless and impatient to….you know….get going! And I used to feel smug but now wonder how much longer will I have my wonderful gas car to avoid being trapped in their situation.
“It would be like a woman buying a bikini to go to work – at the bank – in.”
Sounds ok to me.
Not the ones I’ve been seeing lately.
New America Beauty contest winner. Miss Alabama. Wokism everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JB5rc7P5cg
The walk-in customer traffic would increase by two to three-fold.
38-26-32 are nice round figures. 5’8 inches tall, 128 pounds of clay, beauty to boot, life is good.
“I’m going to go to the bank to withdraw 20 dollars, later on, I will return to withdraw 20 more.”
The carrots are busting out this year and the peppers are growing to the moon and back.
Oh, the beautiful red-haired Madonna with Child
Sat on the curb wearing a smile
She doubled the years and trebled the miles
She comforts the babe with the softest of smiles…
And she took up with this drummer from that good-time Texas scene
She loved him ’til they shipped back home to Killeen – Guy Clark, Madonna w/ Child
What about this silver battery that Alex jones has been talking about that has a 600 mile range and recharges in 9 minutes, lasting 20 years? Those are pretty good stats- doesnt solve the computer still having control of a modern car, but it would be a viable alternative to chemical batteries, and if it does not have remote digital control like every other electric car and has an onboard generator, it would be a legitimate contender. No idea how the grid would handle that much power being needed and dumped at once, but at least it would be nice for those who hold silver.
Hi Anchar,
I’ll believe it when I see it. How does one induce 400-plus volts of electricity into a massive battery in less than 10 minutes? Are they talking about a full recharge in less than ten minutes? Or is it – per usual – a partial charge? Where will the power come from to dispense this amount of electricity this quickly on a mass scale?
How much does this miracle battery cost?
40 years ago I read some article about miracle batteries. Until you can beat the 114,000 Btu’s/gal of gasoline, the electric car will remain a pipe dream in the real world. 40 years ago I thought electric cars were a super idea since you could eliminate the ICE engine, clutch, transmission, driveline, rear diff/axles, etc. All the most expensive and heavy components could be removed and replaced with a single electric motor. But the state of the art Tesla weighs 6,000 lbs and that weight is no improvement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium%E2%80%93air_battery
Gasoline engines are only 25% thermally efficient. Making them 50% efficient would go a long way to getting to a 100 mpg. It has been said by some keen observers, the real free energy is a gallon of gas. It is dirt cheap for what it does like get you 50 miles down the road. I owned 2 early 1990’s Geo Metros, 2dr hatchbacks, that routinely got 63 mpg driving at moderate speeds. That is amazing fuel economy and real freedom. Try walking 63 miles for comparison.
Absolutely, Jack –
The “tech” exists right now to have 80 MPG economy cars. It is called light weight – and a small, efficient gas engine. Almost 40 years ago, Honda sold a carbureted Civic CRX that was capable of 50 MPG. With a modern, port-fuel injected gas engine, a 1,500 pound economy car would easily surpass that.
The Daihatsu UFE-III comes to mind, only 660 cc 3 cylinder Atkinson cycle engine. What I don’t understand is why electric cars are not built with an onboard generator that extends the range. Say for instance I put a super quiet Honda 2,000 watt generator in the trunk, that is pumping juice into the batteries all the time, what would be the range of such a vehicle?
I’ll add the reason why gas/oil has changed the world:
That 114,000 Btu’s/gal of gasoline is mobile, safe, repeatable, natural energy, etc…
It does great things for everyone…………..
And at that same time, Volkswagen’s diesel Rabbit was capable of 60-80 MPG—with a simpler engine that burned a cheaper and simpler fuel!
I owned and drove them. 60-80 mpg is a pipe dream but 48-53 on almost any oil was true. 13 inch tires were cheap too. And if anyone cared, the fuel takes a long time to go stale and stores safely.
My cousin had a VW Golf TDI that ran on gas, and he said that his car got around 50 mpg as well. I don’t remember what year his car was, but I’d like to get one, or perhaps a diesel. What year and model was yours?
Why are they forcing people into 5000 lb, $50,000 EV’s that get 25 mpg?…..that is wasting a lot of fuel and polluting more….
There was a far better solution to cut pollution by using less fuel….a car that could get over 100 mpg…..so less polluting, because it uses far less fuel….a car far smaller and lighter that wasted far less resources when it was built, which gave it a much smaller carbon footprint when built……and no 1000 lb lithium fire bomb battery, to burn your house down when charging….no replacing expensive tires every 5000 miles…like an EV….
Powered by proven technology, a diesel engine….an engine that can last 400,000 miles….and has a huge range…..not an EV with hardly any range…..not an EV that is scrapped at 100,000 miles…because the battery is dead and the car is unrepairable anyways……
The Audi A2 3L – The REAL 100 MPG car!
Car only weighs about 1900 lb….the engine only weighs about 200 lb….it can get over 100 mpg and carries four people….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTPnQneEtVs
The Audi A2 3L diesel ….for sale…
https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/audi-a2-1-2-tdi-3l-diesel-green-c35f6d27-142f-426d-aeda-9a5a65540171?sort=standard&desc=0&lastSeenGuidPresent=false&cldtidx=1&position=1&search_id=17k9pmmohnl&source_otp=t10&ap_tier=t10&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=2
I just saw one of those Hondas advertised with less than 10k miles and an asking price of $6,700.00. It was well taken care of by the first and only owner, and sold within three weeks. If I’m not mistaken, there’s only one particular type of Honda CRX that has that extended fuel range. I think it’s something like a CRX HR?
‘Gasoline engines are only 25% thermally efficient. Making them 50% efficient would go a long way to getting to a 100 mpg.’ — Yukon Jack
Would you settle for 37%? The theoretical maximum efficiency for an Otto cycle gasoline engine is about 46%. Real-world limits (heat losses to coolant, imperfect evacuation of combustion products by valve timing, etc) cut down the practical limit to 35-37% efficiency. Which is plenty to obtain very impressive results! More details:
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/98966/maximum-theoretical-efficiency-of-internal-combustion-engine
I don’t know specifics, supposedly it holds less than 2kg of silver, but it would be a full charge and has minimal effect from cold weather. Honestly, the description sounds more like a capacitor which is instant complete charge, but it also discharges as a power dump. There has to be a way to slow that discharge down to be usable.
Where to get the power is a huge issue though, we dont have the grid for such a vehicle on a mass scale. Thinking smaller, it would be way better to have a battery like that as a starter battery or for small electronics and such. My diesel would love a full power battery on those below 0 start days.
A 1000kg battery would cost a million bucks. Much, much more as silver became hard to find.
“It does not matter if the EV is a practical car or not, if .gov bans alternatives they will sell some.”
Sort of amazes me how many on this site say something like this in one form or another.
Acceptance of this plan to obsolete ICE vehicles is inferred rather than planned rebellion against such a move by .gov.
No talks of civil disobedience, no discussion of national strikes, no boycotting of EVs, no resistance whatsoever.
We are a nation of slaves that simply follow orders.
Look to the EV dystopia of Norway, where, as a result of far-reaching, despicable corporatism, all the main car importers have agreed to stop selling new ICE-powered cars, in line with government “goals” of selling only “zero emissions” vehicle from next year. The result is that around 90 % of new cars sold in Norway this year are EVs, simply because apart from the occasional Toyota hybrid, there’s nothing else than EVs available. And since Norwegians are obedient people who do what they are told by the government, they don’t complain (at most there will be a few individuals complaining in a Facebook group).
For what it’s worth Burn it Down every car and motorcycle I own is gas powered. I perform most of my own general maintenance and repairs and work on small engines as a hobby. I also cut and split my own firewood.
All that said you missed my point. As I’ve indirectly pointed out in the past is that if .gov only allows people to buy evs most people will buy evs. If the people didn’t rise up when .gov locked them down like criminals don’t be surprised if the government tells them they can’t drive anymore and they comply.
Orange Man said about how great freedom cities would be and hardly anyone called him on that either.
Sorry – want intended as a personal attack.
I think your statement sums up what WILL happen. People had a whole lot more at stake in 2020 and 99% did nothing and just said “Thank you sir – may I have another” .
To paraphrase Mencken – they deserve it good and hard
Hi Burn it Down. I did not take it as a personal attack.
When I’m driving my newer old cars I listen to political stuff, when I drive my really old cars I listen to acid rock and use a lot of throttle. Cheaper than a therapist and if I close my eyes, for a moment or so I’m almost back in a world that I can understand. Sadly that feeling doesn’t last.
I leave you this quote from: H.L. Mencken
“Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies. It is, indeed, only the exceptional man who can even stand it. The average man doesn’t want to be free. He simply wants to be safe.”
“We are a nation of slaves that simply follow orders.”
It’s human nature. A very high percentage of people seem to be this way. Nothing we say will change them. That’s just reality.
The minority (us) just have to do what we can to maintain freedom for ourselves. You can’t force freedom upon people who want to be slaves.
I’ll watch helplessly as the NPCs burn down the world, while living free and defending what’s mine to the best of my ability. Then when it’s over, I’ll join my family in the afterlife in eternal peace.
First Google Search came up with this….
According to a new survey, 46% of electric vehicle owners in America now say they intend to “switch back” to internal combustion-powered cars. This particular statistic from McKinsey & Company’s newest Mobility Consumer Pulse survey has been cited far and wide as an example of how troubled the EV transition really is. Jul 10, 2024
Just as the psychopaths in charge planned. They don’t want anyone buying a car. Period.
This is closer to the Truth than any other post here. The goal is to make it virtually impossible to own any type car whatsoever.
Amen, Jeff –
It ought to be as obvious now as the truth about the “vaccines” that were never any such thing.
It does not matter if the EV is a practical car or not, if .gov bans alternatives they will sell some. Of course at this point we’ll be driving evs assembled in Mexico from Chinese parts.
Between government requirements and American, Canadian, German and other first world labor and regulatory costs you know they won’t be here. Deindustrialization of the first world is really their goal.
Comparing muscle cars to EVs is like comparing wooden rollercoasters to steel. Most coaster enthusiasts prefer wood to steel even though the “checkboxes” favor steel. Reasons why aren’t worth going into here, most of us will know why. When supercar manufacturers came up with launch control, which basically automates 0-60 drag racing, the whole debate about speed shifted to the car itself. Sure, it’s fun to be thrown back into the seat and the thrust is visceral. But if you’re just along for the ride, with the computers in charge, who cares? Launch control reminds me of steel coasters, with the smooth track and safety harness. Sure, they have their moments. But nothing like riding on a 100 year old wood coaster, wind in your face, with your sweetie jammed up against you in the curves.
EVs take it to the next level -like those lousy big loop “coasters” that were going in every little amusement park in the 1980s. No big hill, just a catapult launcher, loop and vertical track area for deceleration. One of the most boring rides I’ve ever been on. Like someone did a survey and found that people really liked loops, so why not just have a loop? I can imagine the marketing guys now: “They all want fast acceleration…” Musk: “They want fast? I’ll show ’em fast!” Every other car manufacturer: “Ya call that fast? Hold my beer!” Customers: “It takes how long to charge? We have to have a specific plug?”
Less distance, longer wait times to “refuel”, higher insurance rates, all at a substantial higher price. What’s not to loathe?
I have no sympathy for those manufacturers who licked the jackboots of the fedgov and are losing their ass financially. Ford just announced their delaying completing and starting an EV line at a new plant in west Tennessee. If it was anything like the Saturn plant in Spring Hill, elderly union carpetbaggers took the jobs leaving few for locals anyhow.
No one wants to go to bed at night thinking their EV might auto-immolate at any time.
You say to yourself, “Yeah, I’m not buying one and not buying any of the shtick.”
No EV, no problem.
The EV faithful are losing their religion.
In Germany, EV sales are down 47 percent.
The handwriting is on the wall, you can’t sell what nobody wants to buy.
You’ll always be fiddling with the damn dumb things.
Then the EV just might start burning all on its own, then there is a problem.
No thanks.
15 gallons of gas and you are on the road again. Drive home and park in the driveway, ready to go. No worries there.
You will be able to sleep.
We interrupt this broadcast with a bulletin from the Russian front:
‘A top-ranking Russian military commander, Major General Apty Alaudinov, said Thursday that an Abrams tank was destroyed “today” in Kursk. — ZeroHedge
Normally this would be cause for celebration: the corrupt Ukrainian dictatorship and its venal backers in the US Clowngress getting their teeth punched in, as they richly deserve.
Trouble is, an Abrams tank on Russian soil has the same implications as a Russian T-90 tank clanking into North Dakota. It is a flagrant act of war, entitling Russia to retaliate against US bases in Europe.
Russians aren’t sending tanks into Prague anymore, as they did in 1968. But ‘we’ are sending tanks into Russia. Who the f*ck hijacked our country?
Yup. That same general, aka “Apti”, released a little video that has made its way around various Telegram channels. He said, quite clearly, that either that war in Ukraine ends in 2024 or it because WW3.
He says (of Russia/Russians), “We know how to fight” and so it’s not a huge deal for them but “how will it make you feel?”, he asks. Because, if it goes to WW3, we are likely to be feeling *something* a bit less happy/comfortable than the absolute disaster the commies have put upon our country at present.
As you probably know, the piss and tears (Ukraine’s flag) people, are losing badly in Kursk. Russia isn’t worried about that, as it stands now. So either there is going to be capitulation or there is going to be escalation. Russia won’t talk with NATO/Ukr/USA with their army on Russia soil. “There’s nothing to talk about”, they say.
ugh… not “because WW3” but rather “becomes WW3”. sorry, duh.
Question:
Who the f*ck hijacked our country?
Answer:
A sh!tty little (illegal) country in the middle east along with “bought and paid for traitors” running the USA–israel.
It’s about to get worse. Americans who are in the IOF (israel occupation forces) will be receiving AMERICAN veterans benefits if two jew politicians have their way.
Ukraine is being prepped to become israel 2.0. Most European JEWS hate the climate and middle eastern flavor of present-day Palestine.
If I had my way, EVERY JEW in this country would be put on notice that allegiance to israel is TREASON.
Judaism is a bronze-age gutter religion that deserves to be put on the ash heap of history.
Know israel, no peace…
No israel, know peace…
Yep, and Abraham is a fake character stolen from Hindu mythology, Brahma and his sister/wife Saraswati became aBraham and his sister/wife Sara. In other words, Abraham never existed (neither did Brahma) – yet every Jew believes Abraham to be his father. Israel is being animated by a massive religious delusion.
10 years ago I wrote this essay, Israel has no right to exist
https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2013/11/26/israel-has-no-right-to-exist/
To paraphrase an old saying, “you can have it practical, affordable or fast…pick two”
EV’s are exposing this truism.
Mark,
Actually EVs are neither affordable, nor practical. So it’s pick one.
They’re wanting to change the equation a bit. Of actual cars, “pick zero” is what they’re after. Clearly, they want the choice to be “walking”, “the bus”, or “autonomous taxi” and let them eat shit. They hate freedom. No two ways about it.
‘government’s pushing of EVs resulted in the selling of them as impractical performance vehicles.’ — eric
A new chart showing EeeVee registrations on a per capita basis illustrates how VASTLY skewed the EeeVee ‘market’ is. One state, Commiefornia, towers above the rest with over 3,000 EeeVee registrations per 100,000 people — versus a national median of just 500.
https://tinyurl.com/s95bp93t
Why the skew? Commiefornia features:
1. Hardcore Leftist government
2. Heavy subsidies of EeeVee purchases and electricity tariffs for charging
3. Mild climate conducive to better EeeVee range and slower self-discharging
Outright repeal of the US fedgov’s EeeVee-hugging Inflation Reduction Act next year would deliver a gut punch to Commiefornia’s EeeVee Paradise, leaving it supine on the mat gasping for breath.
Defund EeeVees, defund Commiefornia. 🙂
Don’t forget Cost of Living in California. When you have “starter homes” in the 7-figure range a $50k car isn’t all that expensive by comparison. Cars are priced on a national basis, not local. I noticed this when moving from NC to the DC Metro area. Sure, my salary was double but, the housing costs were triple so I wasn’t so “well off”. Cars, however, were the same price in DC as they were in NC.
In this video, they delve into China’s massive EV glut and explore why a million electric cars are gathering dust. Discover the factors behind this oversaturation and what it means for the future of the EV market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqgACIASw90
Electric Car-Nage….car guy in the UK fighting EV’s….
https://www.youtube.com/@Evcarnage/videos