Americans – many of them – have this odd penchant for holding people who didn’t do anything responsible for those who did. For example, because some people cause car accidents and either lack the means to pay for the damages they cause or avoid paying for the damage they cause, other people who didn’t cause any damages to anyone are hit with fines and even arrested if they fail to buy car insurance.
This principle is dangerous for reasons that ought to be obvious.
And now – inevitably – the precedent serves as the basis for applying the principle in other areas.
For instance, this school shooting that just happened in Georgia. The man who didn’t do it – the father of the kid who did – has been charged with multiple counts of second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children.
Notwithstanding that he actually committed none of these crimes.
The fact is not in dispute. Nevertheless, Colin Gary – who is the father of the kid who shot up the school – has been charged as if he had shot up the school. This is a very strange – and unsettling – thing. It has not been alleged that the father knew the son planned to shoot up the school or aided him in any way; all that seems to matter is punishing someone for the crimes committed by the person who didn’t commit them.
But why not just charge the person who actually did commit the crimes? Because that would limit who can be punished for these crimes. If the father of the kid who did the shooting but who had nothing to do with the shooting can be criminally charged for the shooting, then why not the store where the father bought the guns that were used to commit the crimes?
Why not the manufacturer of the guns?
It doesn’t matter that neither bear any legitimate responsibility – since neither had anything to do with the criminal use of the guns. To allow that as the basis for charging people with a “crime” is the inevitable etiolation (disease process) of holding people responsible for harms they didn’t cause because other people have – or might – cause them.
And – of course – anyone might cause harm.
It is an assertion that is impossible to refute – because (of course) anything might happen. Possibilities exist. It is possible – as an example – that someone could break into the home of a person who isn’t a criminal but owns a gun and keeps it by the nightstand next to the bed, because that’s where it’s easy to reach in the seconds that may be the difference between living and dying when one wakes up to the sound of a thug breaking into one’s home.
It is possible the thug might break into the home when the people who live in the home are not home – and take the gun that he finds sitting on the nightstand. He then uses it to kill someone. Is the owner of the home (and the gun) a criminal? Is it right to hold him responsible for the thug having killed someone with the homeowner’s gun?
This is what’s happened to the father of the kid who shot up the school, if news reports are accurate – in that there are no reports the father knew what his kid was going to do, egged him on to do it or did anything criminally culpable – in the Before Times sense – to prevent his kid from taking his gun and using it to commit crimes.
The Chorus will erupt: The guns ought to have been locked up! The ammo ought to have been kept locked up separately! As if that would have prevented someone bent on shooting up a school from breaking into the locked case and taking the gun and obtaining ammo for it.
Should the owner of a car be issued a speeding ticket because someone else drove the car he owns faster than the speed limit?
Let’s take it another logical step farther: Shouldn’t Tesla be liable for any harm caused by Tesla owners who drive their Teslas at “ludicrous” speed and end up crashing into some innocent person who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? How is it that Chevrolet or Porsche or the manufacturer of any high-performance car isn’t responsible for what people do with their Corvettes and 911s?
Isn’t the idea underlying this fundamentally the same as this business of charging the father of the kid who killed people with their murder?
But, if course, someone’s got to pay. Most especially those who didn’t have anything to do with it.
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My wife is hearing the argument that this father enabled this kid by buying him a gun even though the father was informed by FBI that this kid was a loon. Not sure about those facts which sound very indicting to the father, so I reserve judgement until the trial. If somewhat true, then the father has some contributory culpability but not as a murderer.
And I agree with comments here being made that… OK, if the father is being arrested and tried for being a bad father then Chicago is filled with them to the tune of 7 -12 killed each weekend by underage youth gang shootings. Yup, try to tell me that the one-parent home didn’t know what the kid was up to and keeping next to his drug stash in their low rent apartment. A lot of deadbeat African American dads and single parent African-American moms are going to be sent to the gulag for their negligence.
Lastly, if the media is looking for the cause, this loony kid was apparently gay. What about the school that told him he is was not only normal by being gay but he should celebrate this coming out and well. He found what many gay people find…unhappiness. Shouldn’t the school counselors, teachers, administrators be held to account for their portion of the cause of this school shooting by promoting woke culture on children?
The precedent was set in Michigan a few months ago when the parents were convicted in an almost identical case.
Felony murder is an odd charge. I heard of a case where the cops shot and killed one of two guys fleeing a burglary scene and the dead person’s accomplice was charged with felony murder. I guess the premise is you participated in a situation where someone was murdered, so even though you didn’t actually shoot him, you are responsible. Which makes me wonder … so, the law saw this as a murder? Why is the cop skating on all charges then? If the accomplice is a murderer, surely the person who actually pulled the trigger is one, as well.
I wish I had been on the Michigan jury to pound some sense into those other 11. Yes, your FEELS are important and it is indeed heartbreaking that kids died. But charging a person with murder who didn’t do it does not end school shootings or burglaries or car jackings or any other crime. We know the criminal justice system is mostly bunk, but we do expect basic fairness, an equal protocol and respect for rights. Charge people based on what they are suspected of doing, not by a wish list. It’s a little like Jan. 6 – charging trespassers with crimes like terrorism.
In the Georgia case, the dad let an underage person (not underage to own a rifle, but underage as in he’s responsible for him) with some obvious mental health issues (per the mom) have a weapon and didn’t supervise him properly with it. So, OK, charge him with that.
Prosecutors overcharging is a common tactic, although in the Michigan case, the prosecutor managed to get a jury dumb enough and emotional enough to buy it.
What will likely happen is this guy’s lawyer will bargain it down to lesser charges and he will plead guilty.
blacks between the ages of 15 and 45, about 2% of the total population, commit nearly 60%
of all violent crimes.
what HAS been done to parent(s)? what WILL be done to parent(s)?
Who owns the kid?…..sue the owners…
The kid is a slave, the slave owners ….the control group own him…..he was enrolled into slavery when he was born…the birth certificate…then later the social security number…..
If these slave owners want to own slaves, they can take responsibility for them…sue the owners….
The slave owners media and education system have been in this kid’s head since he was born….it is their creation….
The slave owners media and education system have been in this kid’s head since he was born….it is their creation….
They are satanists so what kind of creation did you expect?…….
Start holding the absentee responsible when their gang banger son does a drive by shooting.
Absentee father
Who is absent b/c momma don’t get no checks from him and big gov if she lets him stay around. Contrary to popular propaganda, dads aren’t the reason so many kids don’t have one.
Be aware of the blame game, before it became a legal means to terrorize the public. We are coming up on the Sep. 11th anniversary, even some mainstream writers are questioning who is really to blame for the 911 attack.
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Lew Rockwell site:
Was Osama Bin Laden Really Behind 9/11?
By Eric S. Margolis
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In any false flag government psyop, there must be a patsy to blame for the heinous crime the government itself perpetrates. The classic case is the JFK assassination, where the patsy is arrested and killed before the trial. Never mind the patsy even said he didn’t do it.
Likewise, the 911 patsy was Osama bin Laden, son of billionaire oil family, friends of the Bush family. Osama, like Oswald, said he didn’t do it. How could he, he was in some remote part of Afghanistan.
After 911 happened, conspiracy researchers quickly figured out who actually did it, the overwhelming evidence was Israel and the CIA. The motive was to kick start the “War of Terror”, to bomb the enemies of Israel.
General Wesley Clark “We’re going to take-out 7 countries in 5 years.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Knt3rKTqCk
If you are interested in researching who did 911, go to yandex search and type in “israel did 911”
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Covid-19 was a false flag, the WEF has an agenda of totalitarian control, and implemented phase 1 by blaming lockdowns on the covid molecule which doesn’t even exist.
Be aware they love to blame the invisible thing for their diabolical plots, like blaming invisible CO2 for climate change. This is nothing new BTW – religions blamed the invisible devil for bad things also.
[…] Guest Post by Eric Peters […]
“With sentences ranging from 10 to 30 years in prison, Colin Gray could face a lengthy stay behind bars for what many are calling his failure as a parent.”
Will this new form of justice and parental accountability be enforced on the parents and guardians of young black shooters in Chicago and other law abiding urban centers throughout our cherished democracy?
Hi Just Curious,
No, of course not. When “youths” commit crime, it’s no one’s fault. Except for white people, of course.
freemasons are part of the control group…he wasn’t one….they are exempt….he should join now….
Bibi can murder up to 200,000 Palestinians, I guess body counts count these days, and
Mr.Netanyahu is given the green light to kill more Palestinians.Death is more important than life to the crazed Jews.
Doesn’t get arrested, Bibi is still on the lam in Israel, the big guy over there just keeps on with the killing spree. It’s all good, 35 standing ovations allow the criminal Bibi to kill some more.
All Congress has to do is allocate 30 billion dollars so Colin Gary can incite more murder of anybody, including Jews, especially Bibi.
Mr. Gary might as well have 30 billion dollars to spend on killing people, Bibi can and does with wanton abandon.
Aiding and abetting isn’t a crime when Bibi does it. How’s come?
At this point, what difference does it make.
Cognitive dissonance? Anyone? Bueller?
Just some more random thoughts.
Freaking brains, what people will do with them.
KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — This week, when they would normally be going back to school, the Qudeh family’s children stumbled with armfuls of rubble they collected from a destroyed building to sell for use in building graves in the cemetery that is now their home in southern Gaza.
“Anyone our age in other countries is studying and learning,” said 14-year-old Ezz el-Din Qudeh, after he and his three siblings — the youngest a 4-year-old — hauled a load of concrete chunks. “We’re not. We’re working at something beyond our capacities. We are forced to in order to get a living.”
As Gaza enters its second school year without schooling, most of its children are caught up helping their families in the daily struggle to survive amid Israel’s devastating campaign.
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Why aren’t Gazan kids going to school? Because the jizzraelis blew them all up — along with all the universities, and all the hospitals.
And ‘we’ helped! WTF does that say about us?
Re: School shootings – seems rarely discussed but
maybe some of the kids are unhappy in their socialist
mandatory (there’s that word again) slave-environment
schools.
No mandatory school – possibly no more shootings.
“You will own nothing and control nothing –
including your children. But you will pay for
and be responsible for everything.”
Agree. Public schools are worse than prisons. Most prisoners don’t have to endure a 12-year sentence for committing no crime.
I think there’s a lot of truth in that.
As a society we have demanded more and more conformity.
Some of us can’t, won’t, or have varying degrees of difficulties with conformity. Pushing it too much creates problems.
Everyone is all about “diversity,” except for where it really counts. You might say the commitment to diversity, inclusion, and equality is only, ahem, skin deep.
Hilarious ‘interview’ with Kamala and Tim (5:55):
https://x.com/TONYxTWO/status/1832060915375608011
This is nothing more than anti-gun bullshit. Does anyone think if the little asshole used a knife to kill a couple of kids they would have arrested the father?! Hell no!
How about the mother? Fathers have been run out of the house due to the wittle woman finding a new rich daddy,,, a sugar daddy,,, Corpgov to legally steal everything the father owns and his payroll checks for the next 20 years. Now it appears only fathers are blamed for ‘kids’ going rogue!
Would people condemn the father for not locking up the silverware? The garage with screwdrivers in the tool box? Would he be arrested? Nope,,, only if guns are used…. how hypocritical! Soon you’ll be hearing that a Red Flag law is necessary in Georgia.
I know many parents that have no clue what their offspring are up to. To blame the parent for every stupid thing their kids do when not under their watchful eyes is ludicrous.
Next up,,, jail the parent when the kids skip skool…..
Hi ken,
I don’t know about you, but I don’t know too many men willing to raise another man’s kids for a little something, something. Sugar daddy? Hardly. No woman is that special.
PS I am all for charging the mother, too. She helped bring this basket case into the world she is just as responsible as the father.
RG-
I had no problem marrying a woman with a child 47 years ago. How that is important in this issue I don’t know. A yours,,, mine,,, and ours operation.
Unless the parent/parents were involved with the planning and/or execution of the crime neither should be arrested.
Growing up on a ranch I had a gun of my own. Used to meet up after school for some Jack Rabbit hunting, Never once considered shooting up a school. I don’t know where this crap originated.
I find it disturbing the fbi had been on the case. Several skool shootings have occurred where the fbi had interest in the ass wipes before the shooting. Corpgov and its agencies are not to be trusted. They have an agenda and that agenda is to disarm us. Another curiosity of mine is are drugs involved?
A good percentage of kids today in the USA are on some sort of drug for ADHD. They call it medication….
Here’s a short list of drugs big pharma and the pushers called doctors are shoveling down their throats. I’m surprised there isn’t even more problems.
https://www.drugs.com/condition/attention-deficit-disorder.html
Hi Ken,
My comment was not meant as an insult, but you brought up the case that mothers (not just women) were running fathers out of the home when something better came along. In these current times I disagreed because most men today do not want the responsibility of another’s child/ children. Many men today do not even want to marry, much less take the burden of having to raise a family that is not their own. Fifty years ago, even 20 years ago this may have not been the case, but it is a rarity in this day and age.
I believe both parents should be charged, because it is apparent that this teenager’s cries for help were ignored and they added fuel to the fire by knowingly purchasing a gun for a teenager with a troubled history. If parents refuse to instill responsibility in their children none of us can be surprised when repercussions occur.
Personally, I would hand the 14 year old to the victims parents. He wouldn’t have to worry about seeing an inside of a jail cell and the American taxpayer would save millions from having to house and feed him for the next 70 years.
RG
No insult taken. I do have issues with blaming parents. Some kids go rogue no matter how much the parents try. It’s the luck of the draw. Parents can only hope to steer the child away from trouble. If the child refuses then there is little that can be done.
I would still bet that drugs are involved. I’m talking legal drugs like Ritalin and amphetamines. When coming off of them wild stuff can happen. Takes weeks. anxiety,,, anger and depression are a few of the symptoms. Drugging these kids only helps the bottom line of the Medical Industrial Complex. It’s absolutely insane….
I agree with you on the drugs issue, Ken. In nearly every school shooting, the teen was on SSRI, re-uptake inhibitors, which, surprise, surprise, can cause homicidal and suicidal ideation. Never mind this kid was on the FBI radar for a YEAR, and the asses did NOTHING! I do not want to hear about taking the guns away, because this was preventable.
I keep thinking of the Columbine brats. One ?murderer had a brother with a stellar record. So were those good parents or bad parents?
“I believe both parents should be charged”
Sure…along with the real parent…the government….it says it owns and controls your children now…. it programs and brain washes them and their big pharma drugs them, along with their media and their big food poisons them…..the parents are 20% to blame…the government 80% to blame?…..
Hi anon,
This is where we heading and this is where parents need to be parents and toughen up. Because, some parents are not providing structure, a safe and secure environment, personal responsibility, etc. the government is stepping in. It is because the parents did not take the necessary steps to protect the child that the government is now dictating control. Parents need to wake up. The government is not the one coming by your house every morning and forcing a pill down your kid’s throat. The government is not buying the food that sits on your kitchen shelf. The government is not the one putting Little Johnny and Little Susie on the bus every morning.
Do I believe government stinks? Unequivocally, yes. But, individuals still possess a good amount of control over their lives and the decisions that they make. If we want to continue to play a victim and it is nobody’s fault then we cannot be surprised when government comes in and takes everything, including our children.
is not the one coming by your house every morning and forcing a pill down your kid’s throat….with gender reassignment it is…and you aren’t told about it….
in the U.S. children are mandated 72 injections, now…it is a wonder any survive….
The government is not buying the food that sits on your kitchen shelf. ….it will be dictating your diet soon…bugs 3 times a day….
Also with inflation….some parents can’t afford to buy good food to feed their children….
Fresh meat, fresh seafood, dairy products and fresh fruit and honey…all gmo free and organically grown….this is very expensive now…and will be banned soon…but the control group will still eat them….
“How about the mother?”….women, LGBQT and bipoc get a pass…..
Father only blamed…selective war on the patriarchy…but…war on only the straight white males….LGBQT gets a pass too….if the father says he identifies as female or LGBQT, now…he can walk free….
any bipoc…or LGBQT… can do whatever they want….break laws….doesn’t matter….
war on only the white males….part of the great replacement agenda….part of the caliphate….
The control group has been raping the females from the white tribes for 2000 years…maybe they want to keep a few around….
Actually, the mother of six year old boy that shot his teacher in Newport News in 2022 was charged last year for neglect and endangering a child. Rightfully so. How you do not realize that your six year old is walking out of the house with a handgun in this backpack shows your failing as a parent.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/10/us/mother-virginia-6-year-old-shooter-charged/index.html
I remember reading about that case, RG. What was even more creepy, is that the six-year old was reported to have replied, “Is the bitch dead”, after shooting his teacher. I mean, WTF?? A six year old!!
Hi Shadow,
It is what happens when the child does not respect his/her parents. Not only respect, but maybe fear them a bit. A boy or girl that fears their father usually doesn’t make stupid decisions and they don’t go to school and shoot their teachers or classmates.
Hmm, I think you are correct, RG. In this particular case, I do not know if this six-year old had a father in the home (or knew of him, etc.) or not.
I would bet…mother was not leftist, bipoc or LGBQT….
Oh, I bet she was. Read the article my dear.
probably not leftist or LGBQT….
Probably a maga conservative….posted something conservative on social media…..brandon says they are not black….
Or…her crime was not being an illegal….they aren’t liable…
freemasons are part of the control group…she wasn’t one….they are exempt….she should join now….
Nothing new here . . . Move along.
Prior tyrannical precedent has been set in the communist state of Michigan.
https://apnews.com/article/james-crumbley-jennifer-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-e5888f615c76c3b26153c34dc36d5436
Two tax payers now off the roll and will now be a drain on the tax paying public to imprison them. Not to mention that their future earning potential is now severely diminished.
This is beyond insane
And ya’ all still think Trump is gonna’ save us? LOL.
Ironically enough, if the father was supposed to intervene to stop the kid from shooting the school up, it’s likely the government wouldn’t have allowed him to do so………at least in a way that would have stopped it…..
So you get put in the rock and the hard place no matter what.
Then there is this: A man in California had his claim denied and his auto insurance retroactively cancelled after he had a $5000 damage accident which he admitted was his fault. The Insurance Company’s reason (which was upheld by the California Dept. of Insurance) was the man did not report his 15 year old son as a resident in his home. The boy did not have a Driving License or even a Learning Permit.
This is just another backdoor method of gun control on top of charging one for the crimes of another. The slow creep of tyranny has advanced steadily as has its velocity. Soon, firearm insurance will be foisted upon us just as auto and health insurance have been. It’s Govco’s M-O.
yup, any way to restrict guns, they will use it, no matter how badly it mangles the constitiution and of course ones rights.
‘Blame Someone … Else’
The Peoples State of New York, which has unleashed a major crime wave with its no bail / no jail policy for thieves, blames … retailers (the victims):
‘New York Governor Kathy HOchul on Thursday signed a new law requiring major chains to add panic buttons in all New York State locations. Unions representing retail workers had pushed for the new law, known as the Retail Worker Safety Act (RWSA).
‘The RWSA goes into effect after 180 days. It requires retailers with 10 or more employees to adopt a violence prevention plan and maintain records of violent incidents for at least three years.
‘It also requires retailers with 500 or more employees nationwide to install panic buttons in easily accessible locations or provide wearable panic buttons or mobile-phone-based alarm devices to alert emergency officials.’
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-state-mandates-panic-buttons-232200261.html
So because New York has abdicated its responsibility to fight crime, crime victims get punished with paperwork, panic buttons and legal liability. It’s a complete inversion of responsibility by the flake-ette HOchul, who called covid ‘vaccines’ a ‘gift from God.’
My ‘violence prevention plan’ has a shiny black barrel. But that’s illegal in anti-gunner New York. It should be the second state, after Commiefornia, to be pre-emptively expelled from the US.
Hi Jim,
Is it too late to bring back the Mafia? Tony Soprano would never allow this to happen.
Roger that, RG!
I have always kind of admired the old-school mafia – when it had standards. A good depiction of this is the fantastic movie, A Bronx Tale. If you’ve not seen it, you ought to watch it tonight!
I used to walk through Little Italy in Baltimore at night picking up cannoli’s from Vaccaro’s. Never felt safer. I am sure certain parts of NYC were just as protected.
The scene where the biker gang gets their asses whipped is epic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erL2czOyNoc
Who is to be summoned by the now-mandated panic button?
Why, the very government cops who — if they show up at all — have no authority to detain the suspects after booking them, by government edict.
The state is exposed in all its ridiculous pretension. One is reminded of eastern European regimes in the late 1980s — hollowed-out edifices, devoid of popular support, ripe for headlong collapse with the slightest push.
I’m reminded of Bart’s high tech pants retaining system.
https://youtu.be/A371oV-jBfw
So you push the panic button and what nothing happens? Like the police are coming……. Its a circle of hell!
Like Uvalde?
Seems like the State, & some here (broken vase), want things both ways: the 14 yr. old is both & at the same time a 3 yr. old toddler AND an adult:
“…will be tried as an adult.”
No, helot, I don’t want it both ways. Anyone under the age of 17 is the responsibility of the parents. Trying the kid as an adult is pointless. They still are going to throw his ass in juvey. Do you think they are going to throw him in a jail cell with some 40 year old guy?
I don’t agree with charging the father with murder since he did not commit them, but he had a responsibility as a parent to make sure his kid did not have access to dangerous weapons. The kid just did not roll out of bed one day and turn “bad”. He was on the FBI’s radar for over a year. The parents didn’t see it? They think the kid was doing well? Please. I am sick and tired of lazy ass parents. Grow a pair and raise your damn kids. Because, a parent chose not to be a parent two less kids came home this week.
Hi RG,
I have no problems with or qualms about committing a psychopathic murderer to life imprisonment – or the chair. Irrespective of their age at the time of the crime. Because it is both just as well as necessary to prevent such a person from ever being in a position to be able to repeat their crime. This “juvenile offender” thing for teenagers is absurd as well as dangerous in that feral “youths” of this sort are often among the most violent offenders.
Hi Eric,
There are feral “youths” because there are no parents. Do you know the average age of car jackings in DC right now? Sixteen years old. Why? Why are sixteen year olds out on the streets committing car jackings? Crappy parents. What does DC do? Arrest the kid, hold him for 24 hours, and put him back on the street. Guess what he does next week? Another car jacking. Where are the parents? Are the people who are held up at gun point compensated for the trauma that they are inflicted with? Nope, because you can’t collect monetary damages from a sixteen year old.
In the Georgia shooting we have a mother nor father who could control themselves, much less their kid, now taxpayers are on the hook for this kid to be raised behind bars for the next 70 years.
All true, RG –
My objection is to the dangerous principle that a child’s criminal actions can be criminally charged to the parents. Maybe they were negligent to some degree but unless they actually fired the gun or took the kid armed with the gun to the school or knew the kid was going to the school with a gun, to charge them – the father – with murder is unjustifiable. Because he didn’t murder anyone. The kid did.
I agree there’s a larger issue – parental incompetence – but that is a separate matter. There is also the issue brought up by others about the meds the government/pharma people feed kids (boys especially) like Pez.
When I was a boy, I was – like most boys – not very interested in sitting in a chair and listening to boring lectures about things that didn’t interest me. No doubt I would have been labelled “ADD” and drugged up accordingly.
And – probably – would never have become the Libertarian Car Guy!
Hi Eric,
I agree with you wholeheartedly on the danger of “medicating” children with drugs, whether Ritalin, Adderall, etc. The doctors are pushing these heavily, most especially to boys.
But, there lies another issue. If the parents were “medicating” the teenager then they already knew he was a danger to himself and society. At the age of 13, the FBI visited the family because of the kid making death threats to the school. What does the father do? Buys him a gun shortly afterwards. What?!?! Who does this?
They’re aping the Michigan case where the parents were charged and convicted.
Indeed, X –
I suggest this is an example of the saying about hard cases making bad law. This kid was going to do the shooting irrespective of the particular gun he used. He’d have found another – or some other means toward the end he sought. Establishing the precedent of charging with murder a man (the father) who had no knowledge of his son’s actions is absurd on the face of it. But it serves to establish the precedent that people who had nothing to do with “gun crime” can be held responsible for it. I assure you there is log-game intent working here. If these bastards can’t outright outlaw guns, they will use the law to make gun ownership so onerous – so expensive, as via mandatory liability insurance – that few will be able to afford to own a gun.
along with the real parent…the government….it says it owns and controls your children now…. it programs and brain washes them and their big pharma drugs them, along with their marxist media and their big food poisons them…..the parents are 20% to blame…the government 80% to blame?…..
I agree, Eric. If the teenager is big and bad enough to commit big boy crimes like murder (and school shooting) then they are old enough for the needle. Some say that is not fair, that the teen’s brain is not full developed until they are in their 20’s, etc. and that may be true. But to then say that they do not have to be responsible for their actions because of this is even more dangerous. It just appears (at first glance/read) that personal responsibility was sorely lacking all-around: From the incompetent FBI that already knew about this kid (for a year), to the parents (knowing/not knowing), to the shooter himself.
Trying the kid as an adult is Not pointless. Nothing the State does is pointless. It’s going to used to push Red & Yellow Flag laws & further the idea that the State is the parent. See exhibit A & B: Vermont schools give vax shots to children & CA. State hides gender switches, etc.
And, where does the arbitrary number of 17 come from? “Anyone under the age of 17 is the responsibility of the parents.”
In much of the world that number is 9 or 12, as it was in the Unitedstate a little over a lifetime ago. A physical change (puberty) determines the number, it’s an event. I.e. when a calf becomes a bull. Calling a bull, a calf, does not change the fact.
’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”
Hi helot,
I think I made a similar point at the very bottom of the page. We are walking a very fine line of having the state take over all responsibilities of children because the parents refuse to.
As for the number of 17 and under I am following that little piece of paper called the Constitution….Amendment 26. Yes, I realize it is about voting, but it also allows for consent so in the USSA that is what they are deeming as the age of adulthood.
I think it is even more dangerous, Rader Girl, to have the state raising children. Just look at the country to see what a disaster it is, and one can get a good idea of how terrible they would (or will be) as pseudo parents. It is a fine line, indeed.
Hi Shadow,
The State is taking over because the people are letting them. I realize not everyone is going to agree with me, but we all make choices. Choice #1: Who we produce with, Choice #2: Did we choose to bring a child into this world, Choice #3: How the egg and sperm donors decide to rear said child.
I, and others on here, have homeschooled our children. I received no pushback from the state. I followed the protocol (Intent to Homeschool, testing, etc.) and then my husband and I chose to teach and rear our children as we saw fit. Note: I realize some states are not as easy as VA when it comes to homeschooling requirements.
We have choices and we need to make them. Government becomes an intrusion in our lives only if we let them.
Blame the government?…..
it programs and brain washes the children and their big pharma drugs them, along with their marxist media and their big food poisons them…..
Another possibility…. in the U.S. children are mandated 72 injections…..the odds are above zero this causes many injuries, health problems…including brain damage….maybe he was broken, brain damaged…normal people don’t do these crimes….
the odds are above zero this causes many injuries, health problems…including brain damage…
any health or mental problems someone has… this could be the cause of it….
Sadly, Big Pharma will never be held accountable for the irreversible brain damage caused by the drugs and vaccines they market for children. They make too much money off those drugs. And then make more money “treating” the damage said drugs cause. Like the dentist offering candy in his waiting room. It is a guarantee of future business-and thus, future revenue.
Sadly, Big Pharma will never be held accountable for the irreversible brain damage caused by the drugs and vaccines they market for children.
The victims end up homeless…unemployable…or in prison…..some turn into killers….
Hi Raider Girl,
quote : Anyone under the age of 17 is the responsibility of the parents. Trying the kid as an adult is pointless.
Thats modern american infantile notion. A 17 year old has brain power to compute stuff probably faster than “adult” only lacks experience and probably some muscle mass. At 15 Alexander the great led armies. Teens are portrayed as “stupid” “irresponsible” etc all because government + parents dont let them do anything and keep their experiences low.
Average 35 year old would probably act the same if he was stripped of his drinking driving and other rights and placed in high school. In fact there are plenty of cases of helicopter parents making a 40 year old essentially a teenager by nature. Funny thing 200 years ago teenager as a word didn’t even exist there was a child and young man/woman.
I agree, Pupet –
In the 18th century it was common for “boys” aged 14 or 15 to become the man of the house – and assume the role of their father after he passed. It was considered that when a child attained what was then styled the age of reason – i.e., the ability to think logically and rationally – he or she had become an adult. In the wake of the industrial revolution, “childhood” was extended well into young adulthood, chiefly in order to limit the supply of labor/competition for jobs as well as to serve the goal of arresting or at least prolonging the development of children into adults. This is no longer a debatable point. Adults well into their 20s are considered “kids.” It is common for these “kids” to live at home without gainful employment for years.
As you say, Alexander led armies at an age that would have disqualified him for a driver’s license today.
Hi Eric,
“Empirical Introduction to Youth” by Joseph Bronski is great book about this. It is focused on brain development milestones and history. This is one paragraph from it. It shows how Maturity was artificially delayed in gilded age compared to antiquity. We have similar thing in place now. Higher education required and 25+ year olds can start working jobs that they could have done at 15 with 3 weeks of training on the job.
“In Ancient Rome, apprenticeships were less
formal and shorter, lasting about three years. I have not seen evidence
that apprentices were “bound” to their masters. In contrast, medieval
professional youth faced severer restrictions on their autonomy, and a
much longer period of economic immaturity. It appears that the typical
Roman professional would begin adult labor around the age of 17 or 18,
marrying soon after, while the same would not come until 24 or 25 for
Western medieval professional youth. Related to this is that the ancient
Roman economy appears to have been less restricted:”
“We have similar thing in place now. Higher education required and 25+ year olds can start working jobs that they could have done at 15 with 3 weeks of training on the job.”
This. Imagine ten more years earning decent money, minus the scam of paying outrageous schooling fees for six years. A 25 year old could buy a car and a house and still have decent savings in the bank. Imagine.
Amen, Pug –
I have thought about this a great deal. I was competent to work as a reporter by the time I was 14 or so. In fact, I kind of was in that I was writing for the school paper by then. But my point is that I did not need to spend another six-plus years in school (or get a college degree) to do the work I do. All that such work requires is basic compositional competence – i.e., have you mastered basic grammar and can you articulate a story in words such that others can clearly understand what you have written? – and have the discipline to get the work done reliably and well and in a timely manner. Those are the basic skills; everything else is learned via experience.
The same, I think, for almost any other kind of work. A 14-year-old can become a master electrician or plumber or carpenter by working with a master of those trades. And by doing so, becomes an adult much sooner and with a head start on life.
Wouldn’t’ be no problem if people kept their toddlers on a leash.
Did the father break any laws? That’s the only consideration that should be made in the case.
And if he didn’t and the case is eventually dismissed, they may have made this scumbag a rich man.
If he is convicted, I hope he appeals and it goes all the way to the Supreme Court. A precedent needs to be set to stop the progression of these types of cases.
Question?? Why is anyone under the legal age automatically called a child? When I hear child spouted on any of the Pravda networks, I automatically assume little tikes ages 4- 9?? Has the term teenager been outlawed as “wrong speech”? Not many years ago, this shooter would have been correctly described as a teen and not a child. And any photo shown of the perp would have been recent and not years old when it was taken when they were a child. Trayvon Martin is a big example of this public deception.
Amen that, Allen –
The pics I’m seeing all show a child who looks to be about 8 years old. The pic I included in the article shows a kid who looks old enough to buy beer.
“Why is anyone under the legal age automatically called a child?”
The short answer is, it provides jobs for the otherwise unemployable in “social services” which includes GovCo schools. It’s a late 19th and 20th Century phenomenon.
However, in researching the Battle of Kings Mountain (NC/SC border) during the War of Secession from Britain, over 80 soldiers, for whom ages are known, participated in the battle who were under 18. Officers as young as 14 were captured, escaped and returned to the battle. They weren’t there to carry a flag, blow a flute or bang a drum. They went there voluntarily to kill the British supporters.
The idea that these young adults are children is insulting to humanity. But, GovCo hath decreed so hence it shall be.
“Should the owner of a car be issued a speeding ticket because someone else drove the car he owns faster than the speed limit?”
Well, if a minor is involved it gets complicated. Minor drivers aren’t financially responsible for their actions behind the wheel. Adult drivers have to take on that responsibility, including paying fines and appearing in court along with the minor. If a minor wants a license, someone has to assume financial responsibility, in the form of a contract with the state.
That said, it used to be that once you got out of the 8th grade, in many ways you were considered an adult. In some states the age of consent and when one can get married was/is 13, which coincides with 8th grade education. But nowadays it’s too hard to teach the basics of how to get through life and a job in 8 school years, so that age is stretched out to 21 or later (except for the army of course).
Hi RK,
Yup. Many times I hear of someone who is 22 or 23 referred to as a “kid.” Young, yes. But a “kid”? Such “kids” often flew airplanes in combat once upon a time.
The father of this murderer acted in a supremely irresponsible manner. Why would he provide a weapon to his 14 year old son, whom he should have known had a propensity for violent acts? I just read that the FBI received a tip over a year ago warning about both Colt and Colin Gray.
Should Colin be charged with murder and manslaughter because he provided the weapon to his son? Is there a Georgia law that permits this? I would assume both act and intent are required, and it will be difficult to prove that Colin knew his son would commit murder with the weapon he provided to his son. Can Colin be charged with illegally providing a weapon to a minor that was used in a murder? Is there a Georgia law that permits this?
I fully support 2A. But I’m conflicted on this case. Parents bear some responsibility for the conduct of their minor children. They signed up for that when they chose to have children. Does that mean we charge parents when their children commit crimes? No. But I’m not going to worry a lot about what happens to Colin in this case.
Hi Howard,
Did the father provide the kid with the gun? Or was it a case of the gun being accessible? If the latter, then no parent who owns a gun or a fast car or any other thing that could be used irresponsibly or criminally by a kid (indeed, by anyone who might have access to it) is safe from being criminally charged.
This is the danger I see here.
Maybe there is cause for a civil suit. But a criminal charge for murder?
Eric.
I doubt a murder charge would stick. That’s the classic case of the government overcharging in the hopes of obtaining some sort of plea bargain to a lesser crime.
There’s a lot we don’t know yet about all of the circumstances of the case. But from what we know of the father and the mother it is not surprising that the kid is screwed up. Of course most screwed up kids don’t go on a shooting spree at their school. But if your kid is screwed up you darn well make sure that firearms aren’t available to him, at least firearms that you purchased and are in your home.
The government is overstepping its authority in this case IMO. Nonetheless, I am not inclined to cut the father any breaks based on what I know so far.
Howard: “Parents bear some responsibility for the conduct of their minor children.”
In my opinion, Zulu law would handle this case properly. Under Zulu law, the parent would be required to carry out the appropriate punishment. For the murder of two people, the parent would be expected to kill his son.
Zulu law? Not sure what that is but fortunately the US was founded on law based on Christian principles. Sadly those principles are quickly being forgotten in favor of resolving law breaking via revenge and retribution that encourage vigilantism.
Never mind the store where the gun was purchased or the manufacturer, but if the father, then why not the mother? Why not the entire family? It makes zero sense.
Also, I will always heartily disagree with the idea that anyone could/might harm or kill someone else — which I’ve always heard coming from the AGW proponents. They like to use that as any excuse to get away with violence, e.g., we didn’t know that granda with a butter knife wasn’t going to kill us! (So they had to shoot her dead, twenty five times, etc.)
Yeah, bullshit. I’ve run around with some rough mother fuckers in my days. No, bullshit, fuck no, that anyone could do anything. People like to think they can but when shit gets real you find out who can or will do what. Even badasses get cold feet.
No, absolutely not. Many, probably most, people don’t even know how to conduct a proper fist fight. You can count on people doing dumb shit, sure. But no way, is every single person capable of the imagination of the AGWs. NFW
Oh but I forgot about one big thing. You know how you can take some milquetoast dickhead and turn him into someone that can and will go shoot up a school?
Look no further than Big Pharma:
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/the-evidence-ssri-antidepressants
Wonder if RFK will address the big Pharma element to this? It was never really a problem before the 90s. In the early 80s where I grew up we had 15-18 year old kids driving trucks to school, with rifle racks in the back window, shotguns on display. I cant even imagine how the copfucks would act seeing that today.
Its so obvious, and almost universal in every case. SSRIs rewiring a developing brain, add in some non-binary BS, schools that don’t challenge kids, or teach anything useful, detachment from human contact, overexposure to social media/screen time, absent mother, or father, and some sad sack of a government ‘school counselor’ who isn’t worth 13 dead flies. All while the FBI has the kid on their radar. Every single time.
Norman Franklin: “In the early 80s where I grew up we had 15-18 year old kids driving trucks to school, with rifle racks in the back window, shotguns on display.”
In the mid- to late ’40s, where I grew up (in the Soviet State of New Jersey, no less), some of the guys brought guns their dads “liberated” in The Big One for grade school “show and tell”. I took a WWI bayonet that my uncle carried in France. No problem, just keep them in the cloak room until after school. I built a crossbow in 9th grade shop class. No wonder I have trouble adjusting to the current world.
Life really was better. At least simpler. The high school where I spent freshman year had a shooting club that ended ten years before I attended. You guys had it even better. Freedom was a way of life.
I’m with you on having trouble adjusting to the current world. Here visiting in SoCal, I’ve been at three places that wouldn’t take my money. Two of which I couldn’t even look at a menu because I didn’t have a phone to ‘download it.’ Oh well, probably a sign I should be making my own food. The purple hairs working there probably hadn’t washed their filthy hands in days anyway.
Making a crossbow in shop class, that was a pretty boss move. Hope you kept it, or gave it to someone who appreciated it.
Hey everyone in ceramics class always made bongs. They were always the first to explode in the kiln. Good times!
Ha! Great memories, in shop/metal working class our first project was an ashtray. Wonder what they do now since hardly anyone smokes anymore.
Norman Franklin: “Hope you kept it, or gave it to someone who appreciated it.”
The Lemonwood bow, highly stressed, eventually broke, blowing the entire front end off the walnut stock.
This kind of crap seemed to start in the 1980s when a bar owner was held liable for some guy who got in a drunk driving accident killing one or two other people. Only some bespecticled Jewish lawyer pin head liberal asshole could come up with an argument like that and of course only his brother, the judge and a dumb assed Oprah watching jury could have conceived of the bar owner.
Making some other entity responsible for a crime that was committed by an individual is an odd transference and theft by conversion. In the old days, they would have tar and feathered those assholes and the jurors.
Hi swamp,
I agree with you that another adult should never be responsible for the actions of another adult. I don’t (my personal opinion) believe that children are a separate entity from their parents. As a parent I have the responsibility to know what the hell my kid is doing until they day that they turn 18. After that their decisions…their consequences. Until then the consequences are mine and my husband’s. If my twelve year old decides to go to school one day and beat the crap out of some kid who looked at him wrong guess who is liable for the medical bills. Me. Don’t get me wrong my 12 year old will have the tar beat out of him when he got home, but my 12 year has no assets. Guess who they are coming after?
This lack of parenting is what allowed the kid to walk out of the house with a freaking gun to begin with. As a parent if you have a kid who has anger issues you don’t go buy them a freaking gun.
Bravo.
Very true. That kid was under parents control. To the extent that they enabled that crime (in the old days, we said aided and abetted it), they should be held criminally liable. or maybe it is a civil matter. I think this dual court system is complete trash, but that’s another story. I wish common sense would prevail.
RG: “As a parent I have the responsibility to know what the hell my kid is doing until they day that they turn 18.”
I agree up to a point. My philosophy was that neither my kids nor my animals should cause anyone outside of my family any problems. But I also know I did things as a 10 to (aw Hell, even now) that if my parents knew about it I would have been in deep trouble. But they didn’t know. I survived all those things, and everyone I came in contact with survived me. But for the Grace of God……
Well-said, Harry –
I wish I’d remembered that business about the bar owners (and bartenders) being held responsible because they served alcohol to someone who ended up driving drunk and crashing into someone else. That such arguments gain traction is a measure of our times.
These are called dram shop laws. Virginia is one of a handful of states that doesn’t have one. A map on page 2 of this document shows the states that do:
https://tinyurl.com/4vwrpw5f
In many states, social hosts can be sued as well. Someone over-imbibes at your party, has a wreck on the way home … and you get a call from their attorney the next morning. Another reason not to elect lawyers to public office.
When it comes to school shootings like what happened in Georgia, it seems that NOBODY wants to look at whether the shooter was on any antidepressant drugs or SSRIs, as I’ve read numerous stories of school shootings where the shooter was on some sort of antidepressant drug. Instead, the anti-gun zealots out there reflexively BLAME guns and call for DISARMING gun owners who’ve committed NO crimes.
There is evidence of a link between anti-depressants/SSRIs in young people (25 and younger) and suicidal thoughts. Many of these shooters have been on some kind of anti-psychotic medications.
Hi John,
“A midwestern doctor” over on Substack just wrote a detailed article about how SSRI’s have been responsible for lots of violent homicides and suicides also. The worst part is that Big Pharma and the FDA were aware of that but of course that information was buried and the FDA approved them anyway. Shocker, right? Of course the MSM never reports on that but the article stated that a few of the victims families are bringing lawsuits against Big Pharma; good luck to them going up against those high powered lawyers but at least the discovery process will bring the adverse findings out into the open.
I’d bet fat sacks of cash on the SSRIs, every single time. You’d be rich in short order, assuming you could find anybody stupid enough to take the bet.
I’m sure loneliness plays a part. But, what teenager hasn’t felt alone at some point? Its always SSRIs at the root of it. Suicidal thoughts are listed as a side effect FFS. Suicide and homicide are ultimately two sides of the same coin. Lots of contributing factors, but without the ‘safe and effective,’ it rarely ever ended in mass murder, back in the before times.
By the looks of the poor kid, its possible to suppose there is some form of safe and effective hormone treatment going on as well. The burden of proof should be on the media and the deep state to prove otherwise, before they open their foul cock holsters about the horrors of the gun.
With all of the din, hue and cry over the election and the economic toilet we are in, I forgot about the SSRI issue. It is still going on and is responsible for a lot of psychotic crap going on.
“It is an assertion that is impossible to refute – because (of course) anything might happen.” Ah yes, the ol’ non-disprovable hypothesis fallacy, a favorite of the libtard crowd. They used that same “reasoning” during the scamdem era with things like, “We’re going to have to preemptively deny hospitalization to any non-vaccinated since they’ll probably end up overwhelming the system and causing it to collapse.”
‘someone’s got to pay’ — eric
A ludicrous example from about 25 years ago: a guy called in a fake emergency to 911. A Paramus, N.J. police officer responding to the call crashed and died. The prank caller was charged with murder.
The charge didn’t stick because murder requires intent and premeditation. Whereas the prank caller could not possibly have foreseen the officer’s fatal crash. Prank calling is bad and antisocial. But it’s not murder.
Whereas a clear-cut case of mass murder — the Retarded Chimp’s premeditated slaughter in Iraq, based on false premises, goes unpunished to this day. That the thuggish butchers Tony Blair and G.W. Bush remain at large shows that we have a two-tier justice system.
Little people are held strictly accountable. But bent ‘leaders’ can engage in unlimited human sacrifice. Ask Satanyahu.
According to the Daily Mail (consider the source, I know) the whole family is fucked up drug users and violent rednecks. Apparently the “assault rifle” was purchased by the dad as a Christmas gift for the kid.
My dad got me a .410 single shot break action for Christmas when I was 10. I didn’t murder anyone. I bought my son a single shot bolt action .22 when he was 10. He never murdered anyone. Then again, we weren’t violent alcohol and drug addled assholes. Even those who were did not shoot up schools back then.
Guessing the kid was on a pychotropic drug. His environment wasn’t exactly wholesome.
Hi Eric,
I am not going to say I agree or disagree with what you have written, but what do you believe should happen in the following scenario:
I visit your home and my three year old knocks over a very valuable vase that you paid over $2500 for. Who is responsible? I, as the parent, of said three year old or my three year old?
Eric is responsible in that scenario for leaving an expensive vase in a vulnerable position. Does not matter who or what knocked it over, Eric’s dog?.
Hi Ugg,
You are an attorney. Do you think that scenario would hold up in any court of law?
Irrelevant. Let the loss be incurred by the responsible person.
I agree with you that the cost should be incurred by the responsible person. Who the responsible person is is where we differ. 🙂
If Eric’s dog hit the vase that is Eric’s problem since the dog belongs to him. A parent allowing their child to roam free and cause destruction in Eric’s home is responsible for maintaining order and discipline. There is a price when they don’t.
The devil is in the details. Eric invited the parent and I assume the child into the house. If a trespasser uninvited a different analysis. Assume Eric knew the child was 3. Eric leaves a valuable vase where the child could contact it. hat’s a 3 year old to do. Eric’s had control, he allowed child in an “invitee”, Eric knew the vase was valuable, he allowed the situation to occur as he knew or reasonably should have known that a 3 year old would be attracted to the valuable vase. Eric is responsible.
One would hope it never became an issue Ugg. I’d like to believe if it was one of Erics friends they would be decent, and replace the vase. Because their kid broke it, and its the right thing to do.
Hi Ugg,
Then you and I will have to agree to disagree on this. I grew up in a very different environment. My maternal grandmother was a collector of antiques. They were placed throughout her home and us girls (my sisters and I) learned to tread her home very carefully. She was not altering her home anytime a grandchild visited. No adult back then changed their life to suit their kids. Children adapted and learned responsibility. One didn’t run or jump in the house. Those were the rules and you followed them. It is disappointing to know that is no longer the case.
Hi RG a lawyer told me once “Mr Foltz there is no right or wrong in court…its WHO can we get the money out of”.
Let’s say Eric is not found responsible, and it was between the father and the brat kid. Obviously, the father could be held liable as the kid is three year old and obviously under parental control. Now, when the kid is going to school, techinically, he is not under the parents control. Different scenario entirely. He could have gotten the gun from anywhere.
Any lawyer worth 5 cents could break school shooter who is a minor down on the witness stand.
These arguments are getting ridiculous, and I, for one, am pretty damned tired of our entire injustice system and of attorneys in general.
The entire thing needs to be burned to the ground and tossed into a landfill.
Hi swamp,
So a four year old in preschool is now liable for the damaged caused? He is in school so the parent is no longer responsible. We are walking a very dangerous path if we take responsibility out of the parents hands. This goes both ways. If the school is responsible for making sure the kids don’t have guns or knives because the parent isn’t around then we are also allowing the schools to be responsible for other things (e.g. vaccines, what gender they say they are, what they can say and what they can’t say). The parent should always bear the ultimate responsibility until the child comes of age and is deemed an adult.
No, a 4 year old in preschool is under the control of the parents. I agree with you on that. Until the age of majority.
I think it’s safer to take kids out of school. Start holding parents responsible for the actions of their kids and you will see much better parenting take place. Or they will remove their kid from the pubic skool. I think it’s about time they did.
With a 200k judgement levied on a bunch of parents for these little shits, then they might be a lot more careful about who they bring their kids in contact with.
I agree with you, swamp, 100%.
That said, since the kid is not physically with the parents, there is some degree of separation there, but what i said about holding parents accountable remains. Maybe they ought to add the doctor in if the kids being prescribed something.