700 Ford autoworkers won’t be working anymore, courtesy of “electrification.” Sales of Ford’s F-150 Lightning electric truck are fizzling – down 45 percent for the third quarter – and that means Ford only needs about half as many workers to keep up with “demand.”
So, bye-bye to those 700 workers.
Ford says it’s just a passing glitch that will resolve in the future. A certain mustachio’d someone said something similar to his army surrounded at the city on the Volga.
According to news reports, the automaker is operating under “multiple constraints, including the supply chain and working through processing and delivering vehicles held for quality checks after restarting production in August.”
Well, okay – except those are resolvable problems. If Ford thinks so, then why cancel the jobs of those 700 workers?
The reasons why are twofold – and not resolveable.
The first – obviously – is there’s less work to do right now. Ford can’t be expected to keep producing the same volume of vehicles that aren’t selling. Especially right now – because right now is two months and a couple weeks shy of 2024 and making more 2023 Lightnings when the inventory of them is already sufficient (according to reports) to supply demand for at least the next two months would be tantamount to flushing a clogged toilet one more time and hoping it won’t overflow the brim.
Ford dealers are already having to wheel and deal to get rid of their stacked-up stock of ’23 Lightnings – and may not be able to clear the clog before 2024 arrives, after which every unsold ’23 Lightning is last year’s Lightning and will have to be fire-sale sold to entice potential buyers to take them off of dealers’ hands (and off their books).
The problem is compounded as regards EVs because it’s not just a question of the vehicle being last year’s model. If an EV has been sitting on a lot for the past six months, so has its battery. Batteries lose efficacy – their charge-holding capacity – at a rate of 1-2 percent annually. This fact is not well-known (yet) but as it becomes known, prospective buyers will want a discounted price to reflect the fact that the six-month-old EV they are buying has already lost perhaps 1 percent of its range and maybe more, if the dealer didn’t keep it plugged in (and topped off) while it was just sitting all those months.
If it sounds petty, consider how you’d react if you bought a non-EV and after six months or a year, the advertised mileage was down by 1-2 percent. Would you be ok with that? How about after six years or so – and now down 5-6 percent? In the case of the Lightning – which comes standard with 265 miles of best-case range, fully charged, a s6 percent loss over six years would leave you with only have about 249 miles of range.
And by ten years out . . .?
It helps explain why sales of the Lightning are cratering. But that cratering is not a temporary problem that will resolve – and Ford knows it. Ford may not say it – but that’s another matter, not unlike people not saying they know perfectly well that Lia Thomas isn’t a woman but aren’t willing to say it. The reasons why are similar. They are the same reason why everyone in the emperor’s entourage said they thought the emperor’s new clothes looked marvelous.
Of course, the emperor was wearing no clothes at all.
The child’s story is a lesson in the power of social pressure to pretend and go-along; to say what you don’t actually believe – because everyone else is saying it, too. Unfortunately, such lessons aren’t taught to kids anymore and many of them have grown up to run large corporations.
But some will be able to see the nakedness of the emperor. There are 700 of them in Michigan, who are out of work for now and probably for good, at least insofar as working on a Ford production line. This brings us to the less-obvious aspect of Ford’s letting-go of those 700 workers.
They are merely the first of many.
This would be so even if the Lightning were selling well – because it is a battery powered device and the fact is it takes fewer workers to put one of those together than it does to put together a vehicle that has an engine made of hundreds of parts and a transmission and axles and differentials. Underneath the extruded plastic carapace (the carapace may also be formed of metal but the key thing is there are fewer panels; more about that here) there is a battery – already assembled mostly by robots – and a motor, perhaps two. Some EVs have one to drive the front wheels, others the rear – and some have both for each pair of wheels. But none have a transmission because the motors turn the wheels directly – and there are just a few connections to be hooked up between the battery and the motor.
Finis.
And much more quickly, with fewer workers needed.
This might be a good thing – for buyers – in that less work (and workers) needed to make something generally means the thing costs less. But that is not the case with EVs, because the battery drives the cost up far beyond whatever is saved by reducing manufacturing complexity and the number of people needed to manufacture it.
And it is a very bad thing for the workers, whose work is no longer required.
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You forgot to point out in the article – most people don’t WANT an EV. That’s why they’re not selling. If the .gov wasn’t pushing EV this and that, who’d be making them?
Look up “Serpentza” on You tube. He posts stories about the real China. They have thousands of electric cars, brand new with batteries sitting unused rotting away. They also have mountains of unused bicycles the same. Check it out.
People of California: Look out. Speed cameras are coming. Governor Gavin Newsom recently signed a bill into law that approved a new pilot program that legalizes speed cameras for the first time ever in the Golden State, and details are now emerging about their rollout in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and other cities in America’s largest car market.
Safety?….no…. the so called government is a fake/fraud…it is actually just a corporation like burger king, set up to make money….this is another way to make money….
theft…high tech highway robbery….
https://www.thedrive.com/news/speed-cameras-are-coming-to-the-car-capital-of-america
high tech highway robbery….in the old days the robber would jump out of the bush…lol
One minor correction, it’s… Gruesome Newsom.
Hi Anon,
Speed cameras are also another tool to be used to make driving intolerable – such that people are persuaded it’s no longer worth the hassle of it. Try to imagine how tedious – and to a great extent, pointless – driving would be if you had to drive the speed limit every time you drove. Why bother driving a car capable of exceeding it? Why bothe with driving, at all?
We’re just going to have to get smarter, like a batmobile thing that senses the speed camera (my radar detector does this somehow), and flips a cover over the license plate……………..
Now you can’t drive yout EV in the rain…lol…
It’s true that electronics and water are a poor mix, which is why we expect electric cars to be well protected against the elements. That wasn’t the case according to a couple from Scotland, who say they were presented with an enormous repair bill after driving their Tesla through a rainstorm.
As covered by Edinburgh Live, the couple had driven the vehicle during recent torrential rains in the Scottish capital. Having driven the Model 3 to a restaurant for dinner, the car would not run when the couple went to drive home. The car was picked up after a five-hour wait for roadside assistance, and taken to Tesla Edinburgh for repair.
After a few days, the couple was contacted and advised that the battery was damaged due to water ingress. That came with an astonishing bill of £17,374 ($21,166 USD) that would not be covered under the car’s eight-year warranty.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/scottish-couple-left-with-huge-bill-for-replacement-tesla-battery
They drove through water high enough or splashed high enough to get into the battery pack’s vent. As I recall these vents aren’t any better located than those on a rear axle or transmission but are more open. It doesn’t take much water to cause damage to circuits that aren’t protected. I doubt Elon’s crew did what is done in other industries to deal with water that gets in anyway. In a conventional car submergence will contaminate lubrication oil how much gets in depends on how long it’s submerged. Of course the consequences of contaminated oil for gears and bearings are weeks, months, even years away before it stops the car.
And while replacing modules is cheaper like the article states, service centers aren’t going to take the time and labor for that even if they employ people who know how. They’ll swap the entire pack.
“They” do not want electric cars anymore than they want ‘green energy.’
They want no cars for us, everything for themselves.
“They” want unlimited coal, nuclear, gas, and oil powered electricity for themselves while we the ‘undesireable useless eaters’ starve to death in freezing cold, dark, hovels located in inner city urban crime infested toilets.
They. Want. Us. Dead.
But they lack the courage to say it. Let alone execute it. So they burp smooth eco-freak rhetoric to gull the naive.
The problem for them is the number of naive is dwindling as people wake up to their gags.
Amen, Paul –
I think the race is on – will enough people wake up in time, before we are out of time? We’ll soon see.
Latest victim of electrification — Eeeeelon:
‘Update (1800ET): TSLA shares were holding up, higher from the close, until CEO Elon Musk showed some uncertainty about the Cybertruck’s launch.
‘Musk claims demand for the Cybertruck is “off the charts” with more than 1 million potential buyers putting down $100 to reserve one.
“It’s an amazing product but I do want to emphasize that there will be enormous challenges in reaching volume production with the Cybertruck and then in making the Cybertruck cash flow positive,” Musk said during Tesla’s earnings call on Wednesday.
“While I think this is potentially our best product ever — I think it is our best product ever — it is going to require immense work to reach high-volume production and be cash flow positive at a price that people can afford.”
‘This sent TSLA shares back to the lows of the day, down around 9% on the day (and around 4% lower than the cash close).’
https://tinyurl.com/yv53z2th
For one thing, the Cybertruck is not a product. It’s vaporware.
For another, a $100 deposit is nothing but a cheap call option — easily forfeited, if early deliveries can’t be flipped for a profit.
Finally, while stainless steel is beautiful, it’s devilishly difficult to form, featuring nasty springback and chunky weight compared to carbon steel and aluminum.
Cybertruck, meet the F-150 Lightning! Welcome to the Grievous Garage, where lard-ass EeeVees go to die.
Morning, Jim!
The Cybertruck looks to me like a 6th grader’s pencil drawing; in other words, a toy – for sixth graders. Who would buy this thing? What is its purpose? Other than being a toy for adults with more money than sense?
I said it before, and I’ll say it again.
This is the intentional destruction of the American auto industry.
Let’s look at what happened to each company, once they hired someone Jewish to run the place…
Kmart – GONE.
Sears – GONE.
Radio Shack – GONE.
Toys R Us – GONE.
Budweiser – working on it.
It’s pretty much time investors wake up to who’s running (and ruining) the show.
“…the six-month-old EV they are buying has already lost perhaps 1 percent of its range and maybe more, if the dealer didn’t keep it plugged in (and topped off) while it was just sitting all those months.”
Cyclic topping off is not recommended for Li-ion batteries and will hose ’em as much as not charging at all. You know, like the charge your “phone” to 80-90% thing; never keep it at 100% and plugged in. There are management apps for that if your “phone” doesn’t already feature it in settings. I’m not sure if EVs will manage charging to that degree if left plugged in all the time.
On-the-shelf inventory (as in parked in the back lot) maintenance for Li-ion batteries requires charging up to 80% as soon as they are down to 40% whether they’re attached to a device or not. And that gets pretty useless after a couple or three years. Doesn’t matter if it’s a little postage-stamp sized one or a 1000 lb block of ’em.
BTW: Nissan voids the battery warranty if exposed to 120°F for over 24 hours. (Along with all sorts of “what is not covered” for the Li-ion battery, like -13°F for seven days.) That “climate event” happened this summer a few times in my garage here in the Sonoran Desert. And you can bet the software monitors and records all that.
(Leaf 2024 Warranty Information Booklet, page 10. Ditto previous years.)
HooYah,
I don’t know about other EVs, but with Teslas, you can set maximum charge amount, charging start time, charging end time, etc. at home.
Fuck Joe Biden!
And yet, I feel so little compassion for our Demo/Prog/Commie union brethren who figure they can vote for literal commies, for absolute lies and evil fantasies, and then are surprised when they lose their cushy sinecures and find that their 2nd amendment guaranteed rights are no longer guaranteed… I must be mean.
Yeah, Joke Biden is really outdoing himself, kissing Netanyoohoo’s ass.
Even worse than ‘Joe,’ US ambassador the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield vetoed a UN Security Council ceasefire resolution today, because it failed to include Israeli talking points.
Funny … despite taking her marching orders from a foreign government, she doesn’t look Israeli:
https://tinyurl.com/mr4ajbjm
Funny how people don’t recognize that the “Israel” in the middle east created by Rothschilds is not the same “Israel” of the Bible. I mean, was the Bible written after 1948? Because that’s when the Rothschild-Israel was made…so…???
The pharaohs had their feudal king with slaves system from 4000 BC to 30 BC when they were defeated by the Romans…the pharoah kings then moved to Europe…. they genocided all the tribes there and became the European royalty….then they went to the Americas and did the same thing…..their slave system is still in power today….
The old pharaoh kings are now…..the globalists….The Swiss/davos/templars/freemason/vatican/banksters/ control group at the top….which includes the WEF, the BIS, the U.N., NATO….which are part of their machine….china is part of it
the templars are the military wing, the freemasons are the political wing, the vatican is the religious wing, the financial wing is the swiss banks, they are the banksters….they invented banks and fiat money
One of the power centers is France…Rothschild lives there…Rothschild’s were the bankers to the vatican….the city of london….another power center, the one square mile financial district is owned by the vatican….
King charles the 3rd is actually the highest ranking Freemason in the world outside of perhaps the Vatican……he hired klaus schwab
What are you gonna do when you realize “democrats” and “republicans” are just some false paradigm designed to divide you and keep you voting (ie NOT SHOOTING)? When will you see the same HIDDEN HAND guiding both “parties”? Parties – root word PART – to SEPARATE – to DIVIDE. I mean…?
Yet another not-much-discussed aspect of the whole EV business is that the business model of vehicle ownership for IC vehicles is one of buy/finance to own, or in some cases lease. IC vehicles can be bought for cash/financed and owned outright, first because their current service life can be 10-15 years (or longer) and they can be repaired for the most part barring a serious accident, catastrophic power train failure, or body rust through, and will run reliably given reasonable maintenance during that time.
EVs do not lend themselves to the IC business model because first, their purchase price is beyond the means of the majority of people; second, because their service life and basic design and construction mean that their service life is as little as 5 years due to battery degradation and also hardware and software obsolescence. (Your EV year, make, and model is no longer supported.)
That means that the only way for even well off people to afford EVs will be on a subscription basis and offered as Mobility As A Service. This model means that EVs will be purchased not by the end consumers, but by Uber and other Mobility As A Service platforms, or will be owned by the company that makes them and sells mobility, not the vehicles themselves. You know, the whole you’ll own nothing and be happy thing.
But you won’t be happy when you get kicked out for violating the terms and conditions of the contract…for asking for a ride when there’s a “lockdown” or to certain unapproved venues.
For non-EV’s.(ICE)
I go into a showroom to see the cars. Is the spare tire area is sufficient to hold a full size tire? The sales woman has no idea but she can talk it up about Apple Play. So I have to open the hatchback to see for myself. But the latch is electric and the battery is dead. And the saleswoman has no solution. After checking other cars on the floor I find they are all dead. Not only is this terrible for selling cars that have tremendous amounts of electronics in them that the potential buyers would want to see. BUT those dead batteries are just sitting and a dead lead acid battery is quickly ruined. And considering that all cars now have a parasitic current draw that kills the battery in about a month, that means that most of the cars on the lot have dead batteries which are ruined. So when buying a new car one should insist on a brand new battery installed.
The globalist and our present government are in the business of depopulation by whatever means. Electric cars are an attempt to destroy what freedom we have left. They say buy electric but our grid would never handle it. California is proof of this. We will be trapped. Hold your guns close at hand. You will need them. Buy bullets. They will stop making them soon. What your parents taught you is true. Hold on yo those ‘old’ values.
https://www.eenews.net/articles/not-a-fan-uaw-workers-give-thumbs-down-to-bidens-ev-plan/
“Some workers, though, are making dire predictions. “I think EVs are going to wipe us out,” said Whitney Walch, 28, a team leader at Stellantis’ Portland Parts Distribution Center in Beaverton, speaking of the plant’s workers.
Her concern points to a confluence between the transition to EVs and the way that the UAW has carried out its strike.”
Mazda seems to have the right idea, plus, they know how to manufacture vehicles.
MZDAY is the ticker symbol and the price today is $5.32 per share, which is a bargain.
No sense building an electric vehicle if no one is going to buy them.
Market forces dictate what gets done. Doesn’t work, EV isn’t in the playbook, supply and demand works best. Mazda has figured it out, build what the demand is, motors and wheels.
He is no smuggler he is a fisherman all of his debts they are owed to the sea
Some call it justice but it just ain’t right this ain’t live and let live and let be – Guy Clark, Supply and Demand
Mmmm, I just luvvvv the smell of Wall Street bullshit in the morning:
‘GM has postponed its annual Investor Day scheduled for Nov. 16, prioritizing negotiations for a new labor deal with United Auto Workers. This delay has led some on Wall Street to speculate that an immediate tentative agreement with UAW might not be on the horizon.
‘Wedbush Securities analyst Dan Ives told the Detroit Free Press that GM’s fight with the union feels like “an entrenched” battle.
“The UAW debacle has been a tornado for GM, Ford and Stellantis and there’s no way that Mary [Barra] and the team could hold an Investor Day when the foundation of the company is up in the air due to this UAW torpedo.
“It’s created such a time of uncertainty in what should have been a period of celebration going into a transformational electric vehicle (EV) cycle,” Ives said.’
https://tinyurl.com/my3e25hn
‘Celebrating’ a transformational EeeVee cycle??
Maidens dancing round the maypole, gaily surrounded by Teslas parked in the spring flowers?
LOL! Electrical power must be free on your planet, comrade.
Hi Jim,
The Left (which includes the Lugenpresse, of course) always “celebrates” whatever it’s pushing… and expects us to, as well!
Reminds me of when the New York City Housing Authority published ads, featuring a motley crowd with fake smiles, ‘celebrating’ the 50th anniversary of its founding in 1934.
https://www.nyc.gov/html/records/images/newsletter_december2015_2.jpg
I laffed uproariously at this unearthly scene. In real life, hapless NYCHA tenants are angry, radicalized, and jaded about having to run a gauntlet of junkies, muggers and prostitutes to reach the front door of their shabby government-issue rabbit hutches.
This was just a decade after St Louis gave up and demolished its failed Pruitt Igoe housing projects, just twenty years after they were built. History does not record whether former tenants stood by, smirking, tippling and shooting bottle rockets as their former homes crumbled.
There is no such thing. There is only the impression of the “left” to keep you focused on a fictitious enemy (your neighbors) while ignoring the hidden hand controlling both “sides”.
‘Another not-much-discussed aspect of this business is the winnowing of the two (or three) car family down to one “community” car’ — eric
In the NYC suburbs, I lived in an HOA that opened in 1928. My house was built in 1930. Like all the others, it had one bathroom, and a one-car garage separate from the house. The developers called it ‘The Town for the Motor Age.’ [LOL]
By today’s standards — hell, even by the standards of the 1960s — these facilities are hopelessly inadequate, even for a couple with no children. Both need their own bathroom to prep for work, and their own vehicle to get there.
US living standards have been stagnant since the first oil shock in 1973. Judging from the numbers of homeless (even here in the sticks, in their semi-permanent camps in the forest), US living standards are now sliding — as is life expectancy, thanks to covid ‘vaccines.’
A great rollback is underway. Dark predictions by elementary school teachers that I’d end up digging ditches have come literally true (trail work, though it’s volunteer). Too bad about the Woke generations to follow, who can’t afford EeeVees and can’t afford houses at 7.50% mortgage rates. Van life, bitchez … till they take our vans away. 🙁
Ford CEO Jim Farley already announced that the company would stop importing the Transit Connect van into the US.
Ironically, Farley literally is a cousin of Chris Farley, who created the “Living in a Van … Down By The River” sketch.
I’ve half joked here before that we are living a bad sequel of “Tommy Boy”.
Living in a Camaro….
You can’t drive around in your house….but you can live in your car….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FjGfdv1fmY
You can sleep in your 924 Porsche….but your house is not an off road rally car….
Camping Porsche 924 – Overland Rallye Build Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlHk0St7Hi4
Per Jeff Foxworthy – if your house has wheels and your car doesn’t……you might be a redneck 😆
It seems many just don’t get it! They’ve made it pretty clear.
Those we call elite do not want the proletariat (which most are these days) to own a auto or any form of transportation and the freedom it brings.
The entire nation is being destroyed,,, billions to Ukraine,,, more to Israel and the ME,,, little to no production providing the income necessary to purchase a EV or a home.
2 to 4 trillion dollar deficits. Dilapidated infrastructure. A woke military. Woke schools. Child mutilation. Every pol running for any office trying to out do the other sucking up to Israel. Hell,,, they don’t even mention the problems on our home front.
It’s pretty obvious for anyone not delusional.
Paul Craig Roberts has a good write this morning….
“The Biden regime refuses to defend US borders but does not hesitate to rush aircraft carrier task forces and the 101st US Airborne Division to defend Israel’s borders. “We have Israel’s back,” endlessly proclaims America’ Jewish Secretary of State. “America can afford two wars,” proclaims America’s Jewish Secretary of the Treasury. But forget protecting our own border and the burdens on American taxpayers.”
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/10/18/rushing-into-catastrophe/
Those we call elite…..the control group on top…..
They are set up as a corporation….which calls itself the “government”…it is actually just a corporation just like McDonald’s….but McDonald’s can’t make you pay income or property tax….
The .00001% elie/aristocracy owned, private, foreign corporation somehow gets the right to force the slaves to pay income and property tax….
They are set up as a corporation….and the whole planet is run under maritime law…corporate law….you are tricked into being ID’ed as a corporation too, so you have to follow their laws….and you have zero rights….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chavBmmYqRE
The “elite” you speak of are 95% JEWS.
So far in 2023, 10 natural gas-fired power plants have come online in the United States with a total of 6.8 gigawatts (GW) of electric generating capacity
Of course much, if not all, of this “new” capacity is to back up solar and wind, in the same way that driving to the store is a backup to walking. And I imagine a fair bit of it is replacment for inflexible baseload generators like coal and nuclear. My guess is a lot of this was budgeted and planned for two or three years ago, and now that they’re coming online there’s gaswells being taken out of production becuase of market pressure… JK, I mean regulatory pressure with tacit approval from commodities traders who can keep auction prices high.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=60663
As noted previously here, EVs are also simpler to make and require less labor, with a lot of the components made overseas. That and the piblic by and large doesn’t want them and upcoming mandates for them should be interesting. Stockholm Sweden just made them mandatory for city driving.
Mark
Don’t call me ‘piblic’.
“I didn’t want to be Drunk. In. Public. I wanted to be drunk in a Bar. I was Thrown. into. public.” Ron White
Sorry, can’t help myself sometimes.
Can a dealer simply refuse to keep a model on the lot? Why try to polish a turd & sell it?
This one should be titled ‘Victims of Electrocution’.
So what happens next? Ford continues to get bailed out, like British Leyland until workers lose the connection between work, unit sales and income?
We saw this happen in the US steel industry, but it didn’t get bailed out. It wasn’t pretty. My hometown never recovered, it’s mostly a retirement community, a town of people who own their property and no one to sell to. Detroit went feral after the Japanese invasion of the 1980s. What will happen to the manufacturing plants down in Dixie when people stop buying? Will Wall Street be OK with low volume and lower margains? Will investors demand Ford shuts down and governement open up imports from Vietnam and India?
Ford makes a next generation Mondeo (Fusion) in China. Those will either come here and/or the Maverick line in Mexico will build the car, which uses the same platform as the truck.
Here is the next stupid, useless, piece of crap, ‘car of the future’ that is a total waste of resources. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PU4DQoQAWY I can’t wait to see one of these POS on the road, blocking traffic flow. I wonder if they will have ‘sun-lamp’ stations to re-charge this miserable turd?
The energy density of high-noon sunlight is 1.4 kW/square meter, or 0.175 horsepower per square foot. With a 20 percent efficient solar panel, only 26 usable watts per square foot will be on tap … maybe enough to run the light bulb in your refrigerator.
This is nowhere near the amount of power needed for propulsion. Consumer victims will be lucky if it even powers the infotainment system. Scam, scam, scam.
Student loan payments resumed on the first of the month, which is affecting far more households’ discretionary spending than the media is letting on.
I imagine that there is a strong correlation between the demographic interested in the EV insanity and the one holding high student loan balances for questionable educational “achievements” which do not translate into marketable job skills.
Bound to happen. EVs are a very limited market, because of price, and lack of interest. One which is likely at or near saturation. Most who want one, and can afford one, have one. Especially when it comes to trucks.
Just further proof of what a sham the EV really is. I also appreciate the fact that most pics you use of EV sheeple at the ‘pump’ are fervent ‘maskers’. All this ‘green’ B.S. is going to end up in the toilet, primarily because of physics & the sheer waste of resources for short-term high-cost, limited-use tech-toys. A sewage treatment plant is ‘greener’ than any or all of this EV crap, and infinitely more necessary.
Hi Graves!
Guess how much charge the EeeeeeeeVeeeee recovered after charging from circa 12:30 yesterday afternoon to just now (appx. 6:30 in the morning)…
Probably not enough to amount to fart in a hailstorm, would be my guess, lol!
See here! https://rumble.com/v3q36em-you-might-not-get-a-charge-out-of-this.html
I can’t view it. I need to buy a new Chromebox with current software. Mine is obsolete by about 3 years, now.
I also just sent you email about some .32 ammo I bought.
That is slower than normal. Not that standard 120V AC charging is fast, it isn’t. But that is slow enough that I’d suspect something is off in the charging.
They don’t tell your average midwit consumer these things when they buy these cars because I’m pretty sure no one would buy them when you tell them. “Yeah it takes about 3 days to recharge your car from a standard wall socket.”
The reason for this is because they would then have to tell you that unless you have 30AMPS of empty circuit capacity and some heavy duty 10 gauge wire laying around to pull a 240V run for your Level 2 charger you are shelling out some serious money on TOP of the already high price. I’ve seen estimates from $10000 to $20000 in the DC area from word of mouth for getting a house compliant for a Level 2 charger if you don’t already have the capacity available.
It is going to be really funny when all these Ford Lightning people start to actually try and haul stuff in the bed. 200lb passengers are one thing. But another 500-1000lbs of load on top of that and your range just got cut in half.
Like I said before, as a “toy” like a Z06 Corvette, Supra Turbo, BMW M series, whatever they are ok. Just as you don’t expect fuel economy from those cars that is the trade off for feeding big V8s or big turbos. But they are marketing those cars as such.
With EVs they are marketing them as “replacements” for fuel efficient daily drivers and they just aren’t. And if you don’t have a city commute and need to actual travel any real distance, forget it.
Hi User,
Yup!
I tested a Lightning last winter; hooked a trailer to it, loaded with a Nissan Versa. It was maybe 8,000 pounds all told; well below the max rated tow capacity. Hauling this halved the truck’s range, which was already reduced by another 20 percent due to the cold. Absurd! I have several friends who are contractors/business owners who use trucks for work. This truck is useless for that.
Another thing that will cut down the number of auto plant workers may well be that because Ev’s are so expensive most families might be only able to afford one vehicle instead of two or even three and that’s before considering how and where to charge it.
Indeed, Landru –
Another not-much-discussed aspect of this business is the winnowing of the two (or three) car family down to one “community” car – because most families cannot afford two or three EVs. At current average sales prices, that would come to $150k for three, a sum beyond the means of probably 75 percent of American families.
Exactly as intended.