You have probably read about police speeding to catch “speeders” ending up killing someone who just happened to be in the way of the speeding police vehicle when it ran into – or over – them.
This is regularly justified as being necessary, in order to catch “speeders.” Because “speed kills.”
Here’s a story about police speeding when they weren’t even chasing anyone – and killing two people who happened to be in the way.
According to news reports, the speeding police were “on the lookout” for a stolen Jeep Grand Cherokee. Obviously, this justifies driving at extremely high speed down a suburban street – without lights flashing or sirens sounding, so as to give people who might be in the way of the speeding police vehicle a heads-up so that they might not end up getting T-boned into the afterlife.
Unfortunately for the two men – Cedric Hayden and his friend DeJuan Pettis – who just happened to be in the way, that is exactly what did happen. They were trying to turn left off of Schoenherr Road – which has a 40 MPH speed limit – when their Dodge Durango was struck broadside by the blacked-out and silent-running Ford Explorer, which was captured on video moving so fast you had to slow-down the video to be able to see it. No information has yet been released as to exactly how fast the police SUV was going but based on the carnage – both physical and metal – that ensued, it is likely it was going at least twice the posted 40 MPH speed limit and perhaps even faster than that.
The two cops inside the Explorer survived. Lucky them.
The question is whether they’ll be prosecuted – as any other “civilian” would be for what by any reasonable standard constitutes negligent homicide, the egregiousness compounded by the fact that the driver of the speeding Explorer is a cop.
The word is italicized to emphasize that cops are – supposedly – “trained” to a higher standard than mere “civilians” to both know the law and to operate within its constraints. Ordinary “civilians” are not only expected to know the law, they are held strictly accountable when they fail to obey it – even to the extent of not “buckling up for safety,” an act which results in no harm to anyone, including the person who did not “buckle up.”
Of course, cops – law enforcers – are uniquely (and paradoxically) positioned. They are authorized to ignore the laws they enforce upon us in order to enforce them. This happens every time a cop chases down a “speeder.” In order to catch the “speeder,” the cop himself “speeds” even faster – which he must, in order to catch up and “pull over” the “speeder.”
The net result is two “speeders.”
Doesn’t “speed kill”? Never mind.
In this case, there wasn’t even a “speeder” to catch. There was no one in particular to catch. The two cops were – according to news coverage – looking for a stolen Jeep.
They had not seen it.
“At no time were these officers engaged in a pursuit,” conceded a Warren police statement issued on Oct. 1.
In other words, they were driving down a residential street at probably twice the posted 40 MPH speed limit because they knew they were members of a privileged caste that is given license to do so essentially whenever they want to. Had they not T-boned the Durango and killed the two men, there would have been zero repercussions for driving probably twice the posted speed limit in “hot pursuit” of exactly nothing. If they passed another cop, that cop would not have wheeled around and chased them down for “speeding” probably twice as fast as the posted 40 MPH speed limit.
But you or I or any other “civilian” would have been chased down and very likely experienced a gun-drawn felony stop – Get out of the car, now! – and arrest for felony reckless driving.
And maybe that is justifiable. Some believe it is. But if it is, then why is it not justified when exactly the same thing is done by men (and women) wearing government-issued costumes driving government-issued vehicles?
These men and women are also civilians, by the way – just like everyone else who isn’t active-duty military. Yet – like the actual military – they are subject to their own policing, which is actually and interestingly more lenient than military policing. Nonetheless, rank has its privileges, even when the “lieutenant’s” – or “lieutenant general’s” – bars and stars came out of a Cracker Jack box.
The two cops whose driving resulted in two deaths are – so far – getting the usual benefit of the doubt none of us would get:
“Obviously, this was a car accident,” said Cracker Jack “Lieutenant” John Gajewski.
Italics added. As if this devastating – and fatal – wreck – just kind of happened, like hitting a deer that suddenly darted into the road. No hint of reckless driving having caused it. 
“The officers were clearly driving.” A response worthy of Kamala Harris.
“As far as what they were doing, where they were going, I don’t want to comment on that. I don’t want to speculate. It’s still too early on. Obviously, with them being in surgery, I haven’t had the time to talk to them yet.”
No one will ever get to talk to Cedric Hayden or DeJuan Pettis again. Nor they to anyone else. Probably, their families (and their families’ lawyers) will eventually receive a large civil judgment – that will be paid by the tax-slaves of the municipality that has the power to extract money from them that ought to be paid out by the parties responsible for the deaths of these two “civilians,” who got in the way of government workers armed with what can fairly be called a license to kill.
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Cops are scum.
All of them, all the time, everywhere. Sometimes scumwads can be “nice”, but they are never good.
I agree, Kent –
Even as regards the “nice” ones, the interaction is usually under duress. You have been “pulled over” for some contrived “offense.” You are grateful when the “nice” AGW gives you “break.”
What would be actually nice would be to be left alone.
I couldn’t agree with you more. Police are NOT your friends. They don’t have any friends except other police. And there’s a reason for this. They’ll buy drinks for you and arrest you as soon as you get in your car. You don’t even have to start it.
Hi Daniel,
I agree. And I think it’s not the cops – per se. It’s that cops have become “law enforcement,” which means they are a threat to everyone rather than to criminals. “Law enforcement” is chiefly the enforcing of government authority. Obey – because it is the law. If it were the case that cops were peace keepers, then 90-plus percent of us – who are not criminals – would not loathe them because why would we? People who are not criminals ought not to be worried about cops. And yet, most of us are immediately on guard when we notice one in the rearview or by the side of the road; we avoid them when out in public, if possible, That’s what a detective might call a clue.
I will tell you how to solve this in a month and less..
Execute people who run from the police, in the dirt or in the gutter, where their brains can be washed away, As soon as they catch them..
Problem SOLVED.
The current attitude, is the result of 60+ years of lawyers, judges and lawgivers, making it easier and easier to to escape justice for the havoc their create.
What the hell does that have to do with this?
“Execute people who run from the police”
Should we also execute people who run from robbers and murderers and rapists? Because police are human, and sometimes they are the bad guys.
Tell us you didn’t bother reading the article without telling us you didn’t read the article…..
Yes, more copsucking is obviously the solution.
Monster.
Amen, Kent –
Dana sounds like a Good German. That is to say, a Good Republican.
Political yard sign in a working class neighborhood. “VOTE FOR SALE” Cash Only.
It seems that the things which made this life so great are now almost gone. What good is being afraid of these badge monkeys and their handlers? If they have ruined what is good, and replaced it with what is evil, why would anyone fear dying at their hands? And not necessarily dying, but standing against their tyranny with equal and opposing deadly force.
Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me why more people haven’t come to the inevitable necessity of opting out. A little at first, then at some point, everyone needs to ask, what have I got to lose? They’re replacing us, killing us off, against our will, with garbage people no one wants to live near, on our dime. When is enough enough? Everyday is a day closer when they lose the consent of the governed along with all their accompanying tax payments.
Morning, Norman!
I think most people – me among them – hope that it will be possible to avoid what is probably inevitable because most people are just wanting to pursue their work, raise their families and leave others free to do the same. Only truly sick or evil people want to destroy that – and normal people have great difficulty understanding that there are such people out there and they mean to do exactly that. With all of the ugly implications.
God help us all. And let’s all help ourselves and those we care about and are responsible for, too.
Hi Eric,
Helping yourself, and those you care about and are responsible for is the best thing to do right now. Occasionally I work on being kind to strangers. Other than that, our best course of action is to become ungovernable. In any and all manners available to all of us, the more that idea grows, the more the grip. of leviathan weakens. The ultimate act of becoming ungovernable is refusing to consent to taxation without representation. I feel like more people should be on to that, since TPTB don’t give one iota to what their paying customers want.
Shaking my damned head. I got pinched by my local Roscoe P. Coltrane last year for doing the posted street speed limit (40) in a school zone (20) when no students were present (school lets out at 3PM, it was 3:45, but the speed zone expires at 4:30. With no students anywhere in sight). He was so eager to catch me he almost T-boned a UPS delivery truck chasing after me.
I gave him what for:
👮🏻♂️ “Do you know why I stopped you?”
Me: “Yeah, you’re running a speed trap.”
I tire of this crap. Now our officers hide ahead of the merge medians by on ramps to the nearest highway. That will last until some car rear-ends Buford T. Justice and sends him and his SUV airborne.
It’s the Impact That Kills
Hit a coral reef, sink a $61 million ship. Was excessive speed a factor? We’ll never know. A dyke was in command, so the details are secret.
‘New Zealand’s Navy has lost its first naval ship since WWII when it sank near the Samoan coast, threatening a large oil spill. The ship’s commander, Yvonne Gray, was celebrated for her fast ascension to the role as a queer woman leader.’
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1844095413823119504
My theory: she was munchin’ rug in the captain’s quarters rather than, you know, looking out the windshield with hands on the wheel. Lane keep assist could have avoided this costly debacle!
And the story behind the story:
‘New Zealand’s ministress of defence Judith Collins quoted as saying that she stood up for Captain Yvonne Gray because she was one of the best shags she had ever had.’
Then the peanut gallery chimed in:
‘It used to be that the captain went down with the ship. Now the captain just goes down on her shipmate.’
*wipes away tears of laughter*
You need a stand up comedy special JimH. Seriously, thanks for the laugh.
We should probably all watch Smokey and the Bandit again, might have more hidden relevance today than we realize.
Dude Honest Injin..
Back in “97-98” when the ANZAC countries actually had MEN, the place actually felt normal….Ever since the hypochondriac hysteria of Covidiocy..Fuck It!
Geebus what’s up with the total PUSSIFICATION of earth?
Glad I have no progeny….Sorry Bitches.. waaay to many “participation trophies”.. for feel good bullshit rather than rewarding Meritocracy…..
Yin and yang is out of whack ..and you are witnessing the “limp wrist pussies”..
using “Emotion”…rather than intelligence
Dammit, Jim!
I once again almost ruined my keyboard by spitting my coffee all over it!]
Thank you, sir!
Doomed US Navy ship removed from Philippine reef
Hits reef….male captain gets fired….
https://apnews.com/general-news-f222b680360c436482e4c80c09b91f0d
Lesbian Captain Was to Blame for Navy Vessel Who Ran Aground, Caught Fire and Sank
Lesbian captain won’t get fired…….
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/10/new-zealands-female-defense-minister-rebukes-insinuations-that/
Lesbian captain….Harrogate-born Yvonne Gray trained as a teacher and once hoped to open her own restaurant…..
Instead of opening a restaurant…they let her become a captain of a $100 million ship….she sank it…..
One needs to consider the clotshots. They were mandatory in both navy’s. It’s too coincidental. Of course it will never be admitted if true.
Senior Leadership from Ex-USS Guardian Fired
Ship hits reef…total loss…..
https://gcaptain.com/senior-leadership-ex-uss-guardian/
The other officers on that ship were DEI female too?…..do a search….you won’t find it….a cover-up…all should be fired….
meanwhile…..
Senior Leadership…all men….. from Ex-USS Guardian…all Fired
Ship hits reef…total loss…..male captain….
but….they had an excuse…the GPS data was wrong…showed the reef 8 miles away…this can happen…the excuse is no good….they have paper charts…forward seeking sonar, etc….lots of electronic navigation equipment….
https://gcaptain.com/senior-leadership-ex-uss-guardian/
Hi Anon,
The real problem – the fundamental one – is that cops are no longer peace officers. If they were, 90-plus percent of us would not even have to deal with them or even worry about having to because we aren’t criminals. The 10 percent or so who are could then be dealt with appropriately by male peace officers.
Women are not suited for this role as very few have the physical strength of even an average man, let alone a strong one. This sets up an unnecessarily dangerous situation. Inserting women into roles that require a man’s physical strength/capabilities is to indulge an idiocy. It is also something more, I think, in that I think there are in fact some kinds of work that women ought not to be involved in (and the reverse) as it undermines femininity – and masculinity. Androgeny is not a healthy thing.
These female officers in command of this ship had to be very stupid…..DEI hires….
they have GPS……forward seeking sonar….tons of electronic navigation equipment….and they have paper charts that they are supposed to watch too…..
The two had important navel discussions that were duly considered.
Plenty of stories involving Navy personnel. Maybe true, maybe not.
Milk dot com has a true story section.
Here goes one:
From: [email protected]
Subject: US Navy
Date: 15 Mar 92 09:30:04 GMT
Sworn to be true, but probably apocryphal:
In the mid 80’s a cruiser of the U.S. navy put in to port in Catahegna,
Spain, for a week’s shore leave. (Well, leave for the crew, not the cruiser.)
The first evening, the captain was more than a little surprised to receive the
following letter from an upper-class Spanish lady:
Dear Captain,
On Thursday, it will be my daughter’s coming of age party. I would
like you to send four well-mannered, rich, unmarried officers. They
should arrive at 8 p.m. – One last point: no Jews – we don’t like Jews.
Sure enough, at 8 on Thursday, the lady heard a rap at the door, which she
opened to find, in dress uniform, four exquisitely-mannered, wealthy, single,
BLACK officers. Her lower jaw hit the floor, but pulling herself together she
got out “There must be some mistake”.
“Madam”, said the first officer, “Captain Cohen doesn’t make mistakes.”
Despite being purchased in 2019 for over $100 million NZD, the Royal New Zealand Navy decided not to purchase a policy to cover the HMNZS Manawanui with replacement insurance.
That decision on top of the navy purchasing the vessel from Norway even though it was already 20 years old at the time of its acquisition clearly shows that incompetence in the leadership of New Zealand’s military …another DEI decision…
The use of “civilian” by police has really irked me for a while now. It used to be clear that cops were citizens like anyone else. It was done intentionally because the military used to have strict and clear domestic constraint. They could not enforce civil law, couldn’t be armed off base/post, etc.
The change was post 9/11 when all that sweet, sweet surplus gear came to the cops via the 1033 Program (the free transfer system the DoD uses). Suddenly every Barney Fife started wearing body armor and fatigues and every department got an MRAP and fully kitted SWAT team, which they use to no-knock serve warrants for not paying parking tickets.
That’s when they really became an occupying Praetorian Guard I think.
>The use of “civilian” by police has really irked me for a while now.
Same here.
I spent most of my childhood in Albuquerque, NM, which has a strong military presence.
A *strong* distinction was always drawn between Military Police (on base) and *civilian* law enforcement (off base).
The MPs were fit, trim, and squared away, and had excellent skills at directing traffic on base, which was one of their primary responsibilities. The civilian cops, by contrast, tended to be slobs. Not all, of course, but enough to create a stereotype.
It cracks me up when civilian law enforcement wants to award itself “four stars.”
As Eric, our host, derides them, must have come from a Cracker Jack box.
Hey, Eisenhower, get a grip. Nobody believes you are supreme commander of anything, verstehe? The latest affectation seems to be medals and ribbons.
(shaking head in disbelief) God help us.
Laws in use today….set up against the slaves….What is UNIDROIT?……are AGW the sovereign citizen? JFK wouldn’t sign UNIDROIT?…then soon after…gone….
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Insights-Into-Unidroit-and-Sovereign-Citizens-(Romley-Stewart-Justinian-Deception)-pt2:5
I agree, Smiley –
Even here – in my rural, one-stoplight SW Virginia county – the sheriffs deputies wear the Hut! Hut! Hut! gear now.
This slave is scared when driving around in his car, because of…AGW’s….
LANGUAGE-OF-BABYLON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O_uywPf-lM
AGW are not government?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaQ_DHYP0-A
Who are subject to the laws?
the only sovereign citizen is the police…
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Insights-Into-Unidroit-and-Sovereign-Citizens-(Romley-Stewart-Justinian-Deception)-pt1:7
“Obviously, this was a car accident,”….
in this case it was called an accident…as in it just happens…one of those things…can’t be avoided….nobodies fault…
If a slave crashes…..
It is called a crash…implying it could be avoided…if driving properly…..reckless driving….insurance companies call them crashes now….
This is my local elected sheriff here in NW Indiana (Lake County). I have written here about this case before since it’s been ongoing for over three years.
Don’t ever tell me there isn’t blue privilege, because here is an huge example of it. Actually its several…..
https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/crime-courts/oscar-martinez-sheriff-reckless-driving/article_2f5ce950-c444-11ee-a2d7-eb0fb392cbee.html
On Sept. 18, 2021, Crown Point police attempted to stop a Jeep track hawk going over 90 mph in a 40. Does not stop. Turns out it’s the Lake County sheriff driving a taxpayer owned Hemi powered Jeep. Crown Point police only break off the chase when the sheriff finally turns on his police lights on the unmarked Jeep.
He was not on duty, he was not on a call. He was just driving bat out of hell. In a high powered vehicle HE DOES NOT OWN! In fact the crown point police never stop and get in contact with the sheriff that night. Some rumors say he was drunk as well.
So blue privilege 1.
Allowed to go on his way, without even talking with him. No one else would have gotten that that night.
Blue privilege 2. Getting to drive a very expensive and unnecessary vehicle owned by taxpayers. No government should be allowed to own a vehicle like it. This one pisses me off completely because the county sheriff has a dozen of these Jeeps, but often cries poor!!!
Blue privilege 3. Not getting charged that night like ANYONE else would have.
Blue privilege 4. Being allowed to continue to “serve” as sheriff when FINALLY indicted. Took over six months for him to ever be charged. Took a grand jury to do it too. He fully expected it to be swept under the rug.
Blue privilege 5. Using every legal trick to get that indictment dismissed. Taken to the Indiana supreme court. Even fought being disarmed (as anyone in Indiana would be) under indictment.
Blue privilege 6. Getting a plea deal. Felony charge dismissed when he pleas guilty to misdemeanor charge. Had he been found guilty of the felony he would have had to resign. So likely did so to keep the job, because he likely would have been convicted of the felony. Six months probation, NO probation officer either. Gets his gun back too, since he has skipped off on becoming a felon.
I suppose we are lucky he was even charged to begin with.
He will complete his term (another three years). Was even reelected under indictment. sigh…….
Police In General.
“Was even reelected under indictment. sigh…….”
Yes.
What do we do about the “conservative” retards who lick the boots of the police and allow them to get away with this stuff? With the juries that refuse to convict them?
Around here, people put “God Bless Our Police” signs and “Thin Blue Line” flags on their front lawns.
JFC. Why don’t they jut put up a sign that says “God Bless My Slavemaster”?
Hi X,
Yup. I’ve been beating that dead horse since high school. I say dead horse because “conservatives” seem to be incapable of detaching their tongues from the ballon knots of “law enforcement” and “the military.” One of my oldest and best friends is like this. He worships anything in a uniform, something I just cannot compute – especially given he’s ostensibly on our side.
This case is actually more that Lake County (in spite of being in Indiana) is a Democrat controlled and ruled enclave, so no Republican has a chance of winning no matter how bad the Democrat is. Remember that this is the county that elected Pete Visclosky and kept him in office for nearly 30 years in spite of the fact he was one of the most corrupt congressmen ever.
Terrible story.
Qualified immunity and federal subsidies (hence the militaization) have destroyed any possibility of fixing this shit.
>The word is italicized to emphasize that cops are – supposedly – “trained” to a higher standard than mere “civilians” to both know the law and to operate within its constraints.
The only law that really matters is Newton’s Law.
And it doesn’t get “suspended” for po-leece ossifers, or anyone else.
And most police officers don’t have the training that most people think they have. They really don’t. Most have no high speed chase “training” of any kind. The chase they get into is probably often the first time they drive that fast.
I know plenty of police officers that try to get out of having to stay qualified on the shooting range to carry their gun. Let alone the physical fitness that is kind of necessary. So you get fat cops or on the other hand steroid fueled ones neither of them good at shooting straight. I would say a typical hunter is a far better shot than a cop.
Forget “high speed chase.”
These clowns are ignorant of basic physics.
We can start with the fact that velocity is a vector quantity (yeah, I know, big words). Simplest consequence is that when two vehicles are traveling in opposite directions, the relative velocity of impact in a head on collision is the sum of their speeds. The other basic principle is that the kinetic energy which must be absorbed by the vehicles is proportional to the *square* of the relative velocity. Doubling the relative velocity means *quadrupling* the kinetic energy.
Which, no doubt, is why the CHP says that in any head on collision, they expect *at* *least* one fatality. Anyone who deliberately ventures into opposing traffic is either blind ignorant, or suicidal. Anyone who deliberately ventures into opposing traffic on a motorcycle is doubly so.
Yet, a “trained” AGW on his county issued motorcycle did exactly that back in 1989. He deliberately crossed into opposing traffic and hit my pickup truck head on. He died of massive internal injuries. I walked away from the accident, because I was protected by the pickup body, and was wearing a seat belt.
Obese would be a better fit.
Amen, Rich –
Not to be cocky, but I am pretty sure I am a better driver than most cops – because I have been trained. And because I have track experience few of them do. Yet I’m not endowed with privileged status; Hell, I can’t even drive (legally) 75 on a highway with a posted limit of 70. It’s absurd. And vicious.
Took some defensive driving-racing classes as well with my dad. It was loads of fun, one of the few things that we did together that we both enjoyed completely. AND, it really came in handy years later when I managed to foil a carjacking attempt!!! Managed to push him out of my way without running him over, only costing me a cracked mirror and broken plastic body panel.
The car jacker, not my dad to clarify. The next person behind me was not so lucky, got his car taken and destroyed in the car chase that then happened….. Was so glad it wasn’t the really nice Olds Cutlass convertible I had at the time.
They are not LAW enforcers and they CAN’T create LAW.
They enforce policies, regulations, statutes and other fancy words but NOT LAW
Law stands for LAND, AIR and WATER.
We have received dominion over LAW from God.
They can’t create Land, Air and Water.
By definition they CAN’T create LAW or enforce LAW.
They use doublespeak / Black’s Law Dictionary Legalise language crap.
That’s how you deceive the population.
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Common-Law—How-Common-Law-Can-Work-For-You-(Romley-Stewart—Justinian-Deception)-pt1:5
If speed really did kill, airline aircraft would be leaking dead passengers all over the place.
Just like much of such male bovine fecal matter, it’s pure bullshit.
The only reason these AGWs were driving as they did was because they wanted to.
Not good enough.
Lock them in a room with the families of the deceased. Don’t open the door until the family members say so.
Whats to discover here? Thé pigglys were hungry and smelled donuts.
A number of years ago a Michigan State Police “stakeout team” (in plainclothes) on the West side of Detroit ran a stop sign and T-boned a driver who had the right of way.
The first thing these thugs did was to handcuff the driver of the car they T-boned showing absolutely no regard for the driver’s injuries.
They almost got away with it, claiming that the driver of the vehicle they T-boned was in the wrong.
Luckily, there was a video camera on a building that recorded the whole thing.
After an initial reveal of the video in the media, the case against the cops appeared to go nowhere. The case just “disappeared”.
I hope the driver of the T-boned car got a nice cash settlement…
It’s a damned shame that these cops were not brought to account for their actions.
…typical blue thug privilege…
This is about 15 minutes from where I live. I’d love to say this is relatively new phenomenon – but it’s not.
Back in 1989, when I was delivering pizza, I almost got T-boned by a cop. I’d guess them to be going at least 90mph in a 40 posted zone, through a red light, no siren’s, no lights, nothing. I stopped about 3 feet short. Damn near had a stroke. I’m not talking a light that just turned red – this light was red for at least 20 seconds. It was red for so long that that the “don’t walk” sign in my direction had already flashed 7 times. Back in those days – I knew how many “don’t flash” cycles it took before each light turned yellow. It was 15 at this particular intersection.
Back in those days, I’m sure the story would have been that I was the one who went through the red light, and they had they lights and sirens on.
I would have been dead. I was driving a 77 Chevy Monza, and would have been T boned in the drivers side at about 90 mph. There would be nobody alive to dispute the tale.
One good thing about tech is now everyone is carrying a high definition video camera in their pocket to record these entitled asshats.
The serotonin and norepinephrine levels were at peak points for the driver of the police car.
An experience of such proportions that never goes away, always there, until life is over for the two dumb cops.
That’s not how you do it, so it is time for it to stop.
Lindsey Graham is more concerned about Israel.
The message is clear, you don’t count.
Frontier justice – coming back in style soon.
For solutions to our government “problems”, obtain and read Unintended Consequences by John Ross.
In it, are law and history lessons as well as possible and workable solutions for our out-of-control government.
It’ a long read, but well worth the effort. Although out-of-print, it is still available for free as a PDF file.
Original copies are available but are quite pricey.
To stress the volatility of the contents of this book, when it was first published, sellers were routinely harassed by “three letter agency (FBI, ATF, DEA) types. This should tell you something about the “oxen that are being gored” in this book.
A ‘true’ libertarian just took over the helm in New Zealand and changed some laws. How long it will last is anyone’s guess.
” Income tax cancelled
GST cancelled
Student debt cancelled.
I now cancel all personal and income and goods and service taxes that have been placed on the people due to all of these being charged fraudulently and these taxes can no longer be enforced with individual men and women having the right to charge an officer or agent who tries to enforce fraudulent and cancelled taxes upon them with all past taxes owed and student debt cancelled from 19 July 2024. (Page 3.)”
Going on
” Property tax (rates) cancelled
Parking charges and road tax cancelled
Speeding, parking and property fines only enforceable if harm is proven to have been done.”
More here.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-10-11/one-woman-takes-over-new-zealand-government
We can only dream….
Wow! I don’t know about the student debt cancellation though… Seems loans should be paid back.
I agree, Philo –
A person takes out a loan. He wasn’t forced to take out a loan. No one forced me to take out a loan to buy my first house. I paid the loan back. Everyone who takes a loan out owes the money they borrowed – in a moral as well as a legal sense. Is it expensive to go to college? Obviously. That doesn’t entitle the person who chose to take out a loan to go to college to leave others holding the bag for the costs they chose to incur.
Also, as Publius says above, if student loans are to be “forgiven” (that is, paid for by other parties who didn’t agree to the loan) then why ought any of us be obliged to make payments on home/car/credit card loans?
It’s all arbitrary. So let’s be consistent. You don’t owe any money if you didn’t borrow it. If you did, you have an obligation to pay it back.
Absolutely agree. As long as the loan contract was voluntarily entered into, you are obligated to pay it back no matter what.
Had my adult daughter signed a student loan application and been in receipt of a loan she would have owed the entire amount of the loan to the lender.
Fortunately both rich dad and poor dad paid for everything.
Theres no grey area here to debate.
Going to have to disagree here. As constructed, student loans are usury. There is no moral obligation to pay back a usurious loan.
From https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/simple-usury-test/
In order to determine if a proposed contract is usurious, we need to ask the following:
1) Is profitable interest charged on the loan?
2) Has the borrower posted collateral providing security on the loan? (Note: a corporation or partnership counts as collateral).
3) Is the lender’s recourse for recovery of principal and interest, in a case of default, limited to the named collateral and only the named collateral?
If all three of these are true, it is not usury. If (1) is true and either (2) or (3) are false, it is usury.
All 3 are true in the case of student loans.
Where Sanders went wrong is that he wants taxpayers to pay off student loans. What should be done is that the loans are declared null and void, and the banks eat it. Alternatively the colleges should be on the hook for these loans. Such debt relief should only apply to actual wealth generating or legitimate fields of study. STEM, actual history or other legitimate liberal arts courses. Nothing with “Studies” in the name.
And he says he’s not a tool of the billionaires.
Sorry. (1) is true and both (2) and (3) are false for student loans. Usury.
The only way to end usery in 2024 is to eliminate the psychopathy feeding off of it.
Over and out.
[Wow! I don’t know about the student debt cancellation though]- Philio
I agree that loans should be repaid but… in this case I could live with it with the other cancellations. Most seems emphatic that people should pay their loans… except corpgov,,, of course.
I doubt anything like this could ever be passed in Murica. Everyone would find something they don’t like and then the classic…”who will build da roads? lol…..
I’m ok with student loan cancellation, but only as long as it also includes other more broadly applicable ones. Like credit card debt, auto loans, and mortgages. Stuff everyone has to deal with.
As far as that ZeroHedge article…it reeks of “sovereign citizen.” I’m going to need some additional sources before I believe any of that.
So you don’t think that contractual obligations should be binding as long as a lot of people “have to deal with it”?
I would say money loaned by the government should be “forgiven” since it could be considered rightfully giving you your stolen tax money back. However, loans agreed to by private entities should be paid back in full. Even if they are large corporations.
I’d like to introduce you to some concepts.
1) Force majeure
2) The marble problem
3) debt grows exponentially while the economy grows geometrically (which is almost a restatement of the marble problem).
Yes, when debt levels reach a point where they cannot be paid and are holding everyone back, I am in favor of a fairly general cancellation of debts. Everyone takes a haircut, everyone gets a reboot, start the clock over again. Hopefully with a better monetary & banking system.
“I’d like to introduce you to some concepts.”
Excuses for not adhering to agreed upon terms.
I guess the ones who are living debt free like me should have taken out large loans in the past so I could also reap some of the benefits of the “free shit” brigade.
Good for you have a medal 🥇
Everyone else’s debt is still dragging the system down, either way you get fucked.
Bankruptcy is for individuals, debt holidays are for systems.
Right now the system is in deep deep trouble.
Sounds about right – the free shit army always looking for ways to screw those that lived responsibly all the while portraying it as a serious solution.
Whoever denies such cut and dry responsibility as standing behind your word or a signed contract . . .
Agree with you. We have a mortgage but never a truck or student loan. I’m an electrician. Never went to college but I do make pretty good money, so I paid a ton of taxes for people to go to college on gubermint loans. Forgiving them stings twice as much to me. They walk away with a degree at least. So if they’re going to cancel student debt they should cut everyone who did not go to college a check for the equivalent tuition amount of those loans.
Amen, Cory –
And what about those of us who did pay for our degree? How come I had to pay – but these kids today don’t? No one is forced to go to college – or trade school. It’s a choice on makes. Just the same as we just chose to get another couple of kittens. They are now our responsibility. No one else’s.
Now for one good thing to say about pre-Pharisaic jews.
There used to be a concept in judaism (before the Pharisees took over) known as “jubilee”.
I believe the term for debts was 7 years after which any remaining debt was automatically cancelled. This also resulted in the freeing of slaves as well.
This would be an interesting concept to bring up on a worldwide basis. The banksters wouldn’t like it, but so what?
Most people are unaware that today’s banking system has nothing to do with transferring real wealth but is merely adding entries in a ledger.
When a person borrows money for a house, no real money is transferred. The bank “creates” money in the value of the mortgage, the mortgage holder having an interest in the property. It’s a ledger entry, nothing more…
Yes it would hurt the banks. A lot.
They already made their money.
(Almost) everyone else would be greatly relieved.
Is it fair? Not exactly.
Is it the right thing to do? I would argue yes. Partly for reasons of necessity (it can’t be paid so it won’t be paid), partly on the principle of the greatest good for the greatest number. Partly because it would (or should, anyway) encourage the banks/lenders to be much more judicious about any loans they might make in the future. In my view loans are supposed to help people by giving them a jump start on a project, not a predatory/permanent millstone sort of thing. And they should be more of the exception than the rule. Unfortunately right now that is not the system that we have.
I suppose the one good argument for doing it for student loans only — which surprisingly no one is making — is that those are the only ones that are not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
I’m still gonna advocate for cutting the Gordon knot rather than clogging up the courts system, though.
Probably this should be coupled to some serious reforms.
*Gordian
(Apparently Autocorrect is not familiar with Ancient Greek history)
It might be fair if they forced the college who received that loan money to pay them off. Otherwise it’s just buying votes from the free shit army.
The Secret system Behind Banking…
Banking is the control of the people that have attached themselves to debt… Short talk on how we gave consent to a private foreign banking industry…
debt slaves…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJpxBLc4BT0
@ 46:30 in video….the slave herd reduction agenda….
They say the slaves are the debtor…they actually are the creditor……there is 100’s of trillions of $$$ in debt worldwide….
What happens when the slaves find out they are the creditor?… it is owed to them….
Could be trouble…keep the slaves stupid, drugged and sick, get rid of them…..
https://odysee.com/@januszkowalskii1979:e/Common-Law—How-Common-Law-Can-Work-For-You-(Romley-Stewart—Justinian-Deception)-pt1:5
One professor…Hudson….said…
He thinks interest rates will go to minus 25%….that would get rid of some debt…..
Negative Interest, Debt Jubilee?
https://michael-hudson.com/2019/08/negative-interest-debt-jubilee/
Ancient Near Eastern rulers recognized the inherent tendency of financial dynamics to cause instability, leading to debt bondage and forfeiture of land to creditors.
To prevent this rising indebtedness from tearing their realms apart, rulers started their first full year on the throne by clearing away the overhang of arrears that had been accruing on personal and agrarian debts.
The aim was to restore an idealized “mother condition” in which bondservants were liberated, able to start with a Clean Slate with their self-support land returned to them, in balance with regard to their income and outgo.
An analogy would be the idyllic condition that the U.S. economy would achieve if we could restore the financial situation that existed in 1945. The end of World War II left an economy in which most families were almost debt-free.
Families and businesses and were rife with cash, as there had not been much opportunity to spend during the wartime years, and the Great Depression had wiped out substantial debts. Returning soldiers were able to start families and buy homes by committing to pay only 25 percent of their income for 30 years.
This era was as close as the United States came to a Clean Slate.
Today it seems an unrecoverable golden age – as the ancient Near East seemed to be to debt-wracked imperial Rome.
Germany’s Economic Miracle consisted of its Allied Monetary Reform of 1948 – a Clean Slate erasing most personal and business. That debt cancellation was fairly easy because most debts were owed to Nazis, and the Allies were glad to see their savings claims for payment wiped out.
Fast forward to today: Indebted students graduate with an obligation to pay so much education debt that they cannot qualify for mortgages to buy homes of their own. Marriage rates are down, U.S. home ownership is plunging, and rents are rising.
Automobile debt also has soared, leading to rising default rates second only to student debt defaults.
For sure!,,, last thing we need is sovereign citizens.
Not to worry,,, Corpgov is hard at work ensuring that doesn’t happen. In fact government is so concerned citizens may think they are sovereign and have rights it is bringing in,,, and caring for,,, millions of givmegrants.
Also that was the primary reason for the coup of the first constitution. The founders wanted to make sure any loose sovereignty laying around belonged to the government.
New Zealand…a foreign corporation?…..
AUSTRALIA and “Commonwealth of Australia” are not the same! it appears that AUSTRALIA’s border starts 200 Meters offshore and extends 200 nautical miles out to sea also including some islands, however, the Commonwealth of Australia is not “included” in the government’s interpretation of what constitutes AUSTRALIA.
This may be happening in all western countries around the world.
but….it is hard to fight the control group…the slave owners….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCE61FIK-pA
Before the propaganda machine took over the airwaves, we used to have films that portrayed real life.
Hitchcock made this. Watch till the end (happy ending):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSblkRP9m0
In the YouTube vid, one can infer from ‘Warren’ and ‘McComb County’ that the location is in Michigan.
You’d never guess that from the ‘Local 4’ logo, though. Must be two or three dozen ‘Local 4’ stations across the US, along with equal numbers of the other eleven VHF channel numbers.
It’s a legacy from the Truman era, when FCC-licensed Teevee stations got their call letters and channel numbers, and their over-the-area reception area was confined to a 75-mile radius or so.
Funny how it never occurs to TeeVee managers that in the internet era, when anyone in the world can watch their YouTube vid, identifying their business more uniquely than with the generic ‘Local 4’ might be commercially advantageous.
No one ever said that watching (or managing) TeeVee will make you smart. Au contraire … 🙁 *waves at Jed, Jethro, Granny and Elly Mae as they urge, Y’all come back now, ya hear?*
Let’s not forget about the innocent bystanders that get shot when the cops decide to start pulling the trigger.
We are constantly told by the politicians that “nobody needs’ semi-automatic weapons, “high capacity” magazines, or “assault weapons,” and that they are “weapons of war” that “do not belong on our streets.”
Yet the cops all have them.
Why?
Are the cops soldiers? Who are they at war with?
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article291647175.html
The police cant respond to direct questions since there is an active investigation. And which will remain active. Until there are no further questions.
I’ve been a volunteer fireman and medical responder for 20 years. I was also a
USFS fireman for 5 as a summer college job. One of the first lessons was that emergency response didn’t except us from the rules of the road. It was emphasized that red lights and siren was not a free pass, if you cause a wreck, it is still your fault. Red lights and siren are supposed to be safety items to let traffic know you’re coming through.
These assholes should be given the option of lifetime servitude to the families they harmed, or being stood up against a wall and shot. But since we’ve failed in our duty and have allowed a privileged ruling class to have power over us, they will pay no price. Unless the families get their own Justice.
So typical. The police agency always tries to go with the oh sorry we cant respond to that. We are the police force.
“The word is italicized to emphasize that cops are – supposedly – “trained” to a higher standard than mere ‘civilians'”
I plan on doing Skip Barber this spring, if scheduling allows. Will that exempt me from speed limits too, since I’ll be “trained” as well?
Hi Horst,
The course is highly valuable – but don’t expect it to carry any weight in court!
LOL. No doubt.
Notice on the radio the dispatcher called out “police officer injured”. Not a word about the two ‘civilians’ who were DEAD. Pretty clear evidence that they don’t give a rat’s ass about any of us.
“The question is whether they’ll be prosecuted – as any other “civilian” would be for what by any reasonable standard constitutes negligent homicide, the egregiousness compounded by the fact that the driver of the speeding Explorer is a cop.”
We all know the answer to this. Qualified immunity is a license to kill.
Years ago, I asked one of our county deputies about their habit to zipping hither to yon without lights/sirens. His answer was a kamala style word salad with “county is so big and so few deputies” mixed in.
Bullshit. It’s either an emergency or it isn’t. They go zipping hither to yon because they can and we can’t. Simple as that.
If we are to believe the old cop TV shows, the beat cops were usually a pair. The young recruits being paired off with an older grizzled man who kept him in check. I wonder how true that was? And if that’s changed? For one thing I’m pretty sure you have to be in pretty good shape to be a beat cop these days, what with the many pounds of armor, gadgets and whatnot hanging on your belt. Also you have to be ready to deal with a tweeked up suspect who might decide to just take off running. And I’m sure there’s plenty of openings for what used to be called “desk jobs” that are completely safe and much easier to perform (and higher pay too).
The old days of the grizzled old guy on the line are gone, and so are the little chances to mentor the young bucks.
Indeed, that was a system with great merit. But that was in a free-er country where they weren’t a vital part of a ruling class, the enforcers. It also had the benefit of steadying the nerves of the brainwashed rookies so that they didn’t riddle innocent people with bullets because they were “afraid for their safety”.
But the last thing the illicit rulers want is enforcers with a conscience who respect the humanity of the citizens they are supposed to be policing. So here we are with a standing army of occupation in our streets.
My grandfather was a cop in a big city. Joined on after WWII and was what I’d call old school beat cop. The partnering thing was mentoring but also for everyone’s protection as there’s always a witness to an interaction. But back then people had difference expectations and there was I think a general sense of responsibility and honesty that no longer exists so now you’ll have two against one, one cop always backing the other. In any case he used to talk about the change in police work when cops no longer walked beats and were put in squad cars, less community policing, more us-vs-them. He didn’t like it but he was the sort of cop that would bust your chops but most likely send you home for your dad to punish you. They were known as peace officers since that was their job, to keep the peace. When they started becoming law enforcement officers their mentality changed with it. He liked seeing the same people on his beat every day.
As they were not in an active pursuit situation, I’d say it looks like they should be charged with criminal negligence and manslaughter. Won’t happen though because their “special”.
Glen Greenwald said the other day something to the effect that he realized the law is not upheld like it’s supposed to be. It is used against ordinary people, not against government.
I agree. The law is a tool of subjugation.
Don’t like the legal system?….that is rigged against the slaves…blame Justinian….
Justinian the Emperor of Rome from about 527 to 565 AD…set up the legal system to control the slaves…it is still in use today….
https://odysee.com/@theglossachannel:b/Reading_from_his_personal_notes_Romley_Stewart_addresses_the_key_points_of_the_Justinian_Deception-yt-mirror:3
When the Explorers replaced the last of the Crown Vics at Austin PD, I had my doubts about whether the “heroes” had adequate visibility since, walking downtown, I would regularly see the vehicles hit curbs and parallel park only with great difficulty.
I know the department had an issue with intermittent carbon monoxide levels in the interior of the vehicles, something Ford blamed on the customizing shop … that is if a problem existed and Ford would never admit one might exist.