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06-05-2008, 10:03 PM
Reactions in the Media

Salt Lake Tribune, UT—June 5, 2008
More than a half century after Arizona separated polygamous families from their fathers for more than two years, women still weep when they recall childhood memories of the time.
Their enduring pain may foreshadow the legacy of April's raid at the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas. Though FLDS children were in state custody for about two months, they lost both parents and often, siblings - creating an emotional impact that can linger far longer, according to mental health professionals.
"Those kids will never be the same from when they left - never," said Bonnie Peters, executive director of the Family Support Center, a Salt Lake City counseling agency whose clients include members of polygamous communities.

Beehive Standard Weekly, NV--June 5, 2008
When CPS and its henchmen crashed the FLDS compound with tanks and machine guns, it was a lowly moment in religious freedom within the United States. Anyone with a brain could have fashioned a more measured approach.
The lies to justify this outrageous behavior started from the beginning. First, it was an affidavit from police officers about the children all being in danger to the brain-washing culture of the FLDS. Then it was the accusation that bedsheets were found "used" in the FLDS temple. Then it was the alleged discovery of dozens of pregnant underage girls.
For weeks, these false accusations were strewn about and published in papers throughout the United States. Most publications have never made corrections to their earlier gossiping stories. Most readers still believe that the FLDS was engaged in systemic abuse of children.
Those who have watched with a critical eye, however, know that, in the majority, the children ripped from their families were peculiar, but hardly abused.
Bit-by-bit we have seen the accusations made by law enforcement to support their Nazi-like detainment of a religious group and confinement of others lose credibility. First, we learned that these underage pregnant women were actually adults -- in one case a 27 year old woman.
One lawyer put it very nicely: "I'm glad CPS is finally acknowledging that my 27 year old client is an adult."

News 8 Austin, TX—June 5, 2008
Gena VanOsselar and her co-workers at the Austin Children's Shelter got an experience most people will never get.
"There's no question that some bonds were formed; it was really hard to say goodbye," VanOsselar said.
Volunteers at the local shelter perhaps got the best glimpse into the lives many are curious about.
"We had read that they had a fear of technology, so we took down our computer lab, and the first night one of the mothers pulled out her iPod and asked where she could dock it," VanOsselar said. "It surprised us because we didn't expect them to be so technology savvy," she said
Express News, San Antonio, TX--June 3, 2008
The state, reflecting the spirit of the law, normally exercises extraordinary care in removing even a single child from parental custody. In this case, the state removed children from an entire community on the flimsiest of evidence — phone calls alleged to have come from one girl who claimed to be an abuse victim. Authorities now believe a woman in Colorado fraudulently placed those calls.

Dallas Morning News, TX—June 3, 2008
Based on what we know now about this case, the decision to facilitate the investigation by separating almost all children from their mothers – as opposed to favoring a less extreme option – was heavy-handed. No evidence has been presented to indicate that infants and pre-teens faced imminent danger.
CPS has extraordinary powers to split families. The judge's duty is not merely to protect children but to ensure that CPS uses its authority properly. Proof of imminent danger must be the judicial standard for seizing children, not the need to make a CPS investigation easier.
Constitutional rights of due process do not simply disappear because CPS has intervened – especially in a case of collective seizure involving hundreds of children and parents. Only through an emotional and lengthy appeals process has the state reached a compromise allowing the families to be reunited, under travel restrictions, while the investigation continues.

Las Vegas Review-Journal, NV--June 2, 2008
For "child welfare" authorities to seize hundreds of healthy, happy children -- half of them under the age of 5 and hardly at any immediate risk of being married -- out of loving homes, without any required "probable cause," simply because they disagree with a church community's religious beliefs and practices, and then to distribute those children to far-flung foster homes like inmates being kept away from their lawyers and families via "diesel therapy," is the height of arrogance.
About 20 percent of the workers in this state agency need refresher courses on the pre-existing liberties of conscience and religious practice guaranteed by the Bill of Rights -- and the Constitution they have individually sworn to protect and defend.
The other 80 percent should be dismissed; their desks and cell phones and "company cars" sold at auction. For clearly this is an agency so overstaffed that -- like the BATF at Waco -- they had to go inventing new "needs" to justify their burgeoning budget.
National Post, Canada--May 30, 2008
Pried from their mothers’ arms, kept apart nearly two months, subjected to interrogation sessions, invasive physical examinations, pregnancy tests, DNA tests and complete body x-rays, the Fundamentalist LDS children have been abused by the state in the name of keeping them safe from abuse. No more excuses. The children should be returned now.

Dallas Morning News, TX--May 30, 2008
This editorial board needs to admit our mistake in "rushing to judgment"/supporting Judge Walther and CPS

I Perceive—June 5, 2008
But the point is if you don’t know that polygamy is dangerous in and of itself, then you have no logical justification for singling out polygamy as socially less functional than other family groupings or for treating polygamy differently under the law. You can’t take kids away from parents just because you think or suspect that what they believe may someday put them at risk of a bit more sex abuse than the average attendee at a Catholic boarding school — likely a very tall order. Otherwise, we’d better start confiscating Catholics.

Crusty Logic—May 26, 2008
A couple of years ago I met individually with a number of child welfare workers for some research. These are the people who decide if a child should be removed from a home, who write up recommendations for the court regarding the child’s future, who work with parents on creating a better home environment, and who inform courts if parents are fit to be parents or not. One thing that really struck me was the family life of these folks themselves. One very interesting thing that struck me was that those married with children were outnumbered by those single with children. Single because they were either divorced or had never even married the other parent. And these are the people telling others how to create a good home?

Crusty Logic—April 16, 2008
Polygny. “Polygyny is wrong. Of course it is…” Really? We may not like it, or agree with it, or understand it, but is it inherently wrong? Many Christian leaders scream that allowing homosexual marriage will lead to the worse sin of polygyny. Would this be the same polygyny featured throughout the Old Testament? The same one that the God of the Old Testament gave explicit rules for how to practice and how not to? The same one where God told David that if all the wives he’d already given him were not enough that he’d have given him more? When did God change his mind?
Like it or not polygyny is never condemned in the Bible and in fact is both directly and indirectly condoned. It is not a part of the Greco-Roman culture we’ve inherited in the western world, but it is not anti-Biblical….
Arranged Marriage. As recently as the late 19th century people would think you absolutely nuts to suggest that two people should choose to marry based solely on their choice of each other. Stephanie Coontz said it best in her 'Marriage, a History' something like marriage is too important to leave up to something as fickle as love and romance. Arranged marriage has actually been the norm throughout all of history until just the past century. With the high divorce, single-mother, and teen pregnancy rates, and the problems that come with them, there are a growing number of people thinking a return to arranged marriages might not be a bad idea.

Grits for Breakfast—June 1, 2008
We're still battling the effects of CPS' successful public relations campaign against FLDS group, including but not limited to their claims that:
· 60% of teen girls were pregnant or mothers: To get that number, CPS included 26 adult women who denied they were minors and turned out to be telling the truth, but not until after the agency repeatedly called them liars in the press.

· 10% of kids had broken bones in the past: It turned out they didn't really know how many had broken bones, and anyway 10% would be less than the average for kids in the outside world.

· Male children were molested, although CPS never provided evidence in court for the assertion and dropped the allegation after it made media headlines.

And those are just the lowlights. This disinformation campaign is why I cannot agree with Houston Chronicle columnist Rick Casey who writes, "CPS should and will follow the law. But it's not as though they willfully broke it."
I think they did. I think they knew the whole ranch shouldn't be considered a single "household." I think they knew the group's religious beliefs didn't meet the legal definition of abuse. Certainly they knew claims that 60% of teen girls were mothers were false at the time they made them (the agency added the caveat two days after the headlines ran to say most of those girls claimed to be adults, which turned out to be correct).