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Eric
07-28-2008, 10:21 AM
Arguably, Porsches are overpriced.

Or at least, some of them.

A new Corvette that costs tens of thousands less can do just about anything the base $73,500 911 Carerra can - sometimes, better, too. Twenty or 30 years ago, the 911 was a true exotic; today it's exotically priced.

But what about the Boxster?

Just as arguably, it is the pick of the Porsche litter - offering both the status that comes with owning a Porsche, as well as race-car handling tenacity.

But at a much more reasonable $45,800 to start.

WHAT'S NEW

Porsche doesn't make major changes to its models as often as most other automakers do. This is a plus for buyers, since the car they buy today won't be out of date six months down the road. A five-year-old Porsche is hard to tell, at a glance, from a brand-new one.

In keeping with this philosophy, the 2008 Boxster is largely unchanged from the '07 run, with the exception of a new Limited Edition version that gets some cosmetic tweaks - and the addition to the legendarily lengthy Porsche options list (which is so extensive it's easy to order a virtual one-off/custom-built car) of super-lightweight sport seats made of carbon fiber-reinforced plastic.

ENGINES & PERFORMANCE

The standard Boxster comes with a 2.7 liter, 245 horsepower horizontally opposed flat six; more power is available in the pricier Boxster S ($55,700), which comes with a larger 3.4 liter flat six good for 295 hp. A five-speed manual is standard with the smaller engine, but you can order a six speed manual as an extra cost option. A five-speed automatic is also available. The more powerful Boxster S comes standard with the six-speed manual - with the five-speed automatic optional.

Despite its relatively modest rated output, the standard Boxster is a very quick car, capable of reaching 60 mph in about 5.8 seconds with a top speed close to 150 mph. The S version is even quicker, doing the deed in about 5 seconds flat.

Fuel economy is not half-bad, either. The regular Boxster can almost hit 30 mpg on the highway. (That's only about 5 mpg off the pace of what most of today's economy cars manage on the highway.)

RIDE & HANDLING

The Boxster is a mid-engined sports car, a layout which has the engine behind the driver but not behind the rear axle (as in the rear-engined 911). The mid-engined layout is almost perfectly balanced and delivers unbelievably high levels of grip. Going up and down a series of "S" turns where the normal speed is 40 is easily done at 70 without any sign the car is approaching its limits. There's barely even any tire squeal. The Boxster is so good it almost makes you feel inadequate as a driver (unless you're a pro) because it's not even trying though you're already at or near your own limits.

You'll read reviews of other sports cars that talk about "effortless" cornering, but there really is nothing like a mid-engined Porsche.

There are only two downsides. The first is getting at (and servicing) the engine - if you can figure out where it is. The flat six is buried deep down in the car, and many covers must be removed just to get a glimpse of it. All that's normally visible in the "engine compartment" out back is a fill neck for engine coolant and a dipstick for the oil. The battery is accessed under a plastic cover up front. This is not a DIY-friendly car! But that's the price you pay for the mid-engined layout.

The other price you pay for the mid-engined layout is that when it does finally let go in a corner, it lets go more abruptly (and usually, at higher speed) than would happen in a rear-drive sports car. This is the doubel-edge sword of the Boxster's formidable handling prowess. It really is an expert's car - and not to be taken lightly.

STYLING & UTILITY

Classic Porsche looks define the Boxster; no confusing it with anything from Japan - or anywhere else. Though it costs thirty grand less than the vaunted 911, it still gets the respect due the Porsche nameplate.

Utility-wise, the little Boxster is amazingly well thought-out. For openers, the passenger compartment is extremely roomy, with a 2-3 inches of clearance between the top of your noggin and the soft top - even for very tall occupants. In this respect alone it is superior to most other roadsters on the road today. But that's not the only area where the Boxster shines.

The thing also has room for stuff. More room, in fact, than just about any other two-seat compact roadster out there.

There are two trunks in the Boxster - one up front, the other out back - with a combined capacity of just over 10 cubic feet. That beats the BMW Z4 (9.2 cubic feet) and absolutely creams the Saturn Sky's pathetic 5.4 cubic feet. The mid-engined Lotus Elise is closest to the Boxster in layout (and price) but it's much smaller and far more cramped - with even less cargo capacity (4 cubic feet) than the handbag-sized trunk of the Sky.

All this room - given the kind of car we're talking about - makes the Boxster a lot more useable as any everyday driver than many (maybe all) other cars of its type.

You'll also find a pair of equally usable pop-out cupholders that tuck into the dash on the passenger's side of the car - and a few storage nooks/cubbies sculpted into the console and elsewhere. Most roadsters are like Saturday Night Special handguns - good for a single purpose and useless for just about everything else. The Boxster's design is remarkably practical - especially for a car that gives up nothing as a sports car.

QUALITY & SAFETY

Porsche paint jobs look liquid - as though the car had been hot-dipped in a vat of PPG's finest. Even the underside of the trunk/engine cover are meticulously finished - with more gloss and depth than the exterior surfaces of lesser cars.

The Boxster may be the least expensive model in the Porsche lineup but it has the same high-end attention to detail you'll find in the Cayman or 911. It's so good you wonder why people buy 911s - other than to show off what they can afford to spend.

Safety equipment includes outstanding brakes (even on the base Boxster; the S version gets even better stoppers) and Porsche's equally outstanding stability management system (PSM), which combines electronic stability control and traction control. The PSM system gives you a lot of free reign before it cuts in and even then, it does so very unobtrusively. It is perhaps the most driver-oriented "safety net" on the market.

DRIVING IMPRESSIONS

Short of a Lotus, nothing compares - and the $46,270 Lotus Elise is unusable for drivers over six feet tall or who need to take more than what they are wearing with them. The Boxster is a maestro of handling, a PhD of performance - the distilled essence of what a high-performance roadster should be, but almost entirely free of the aggravating downsides. It has a surprisingly compliant ride, virtually nil cowl shake, doesn't leak (rain or wind) has more room up front for the driver and front seat passenger than you'll find in some sport sedans - and a lot more trunk than just about anything else its size with two doors.

The Boxster's engine - base or S - sounds so sweet you'll want to record an MPEG file of it to listen to on your iPod or use for a ringtone. Though all modern Porsche engines are water-cooled now, the distinctive sound remains - its raspberry reverbs calling to mind visions of the Nurburgring, with you at the wheel.

To drive this car is to fall in love - and to understand, immediately, why Porsche owners are such fanatics. And why they rarely settle for anything less again.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Though the 911 (and Cayman) are the focus of most of the drooling - at least, by the automotive press- the Boxster is a jewel that should not be overlooked by anyone looking to experience the Porsche phenomenon where it really counts - out on the road. The rest of the Porsche lineup is equally worthy - but neither the Cayman nor the 911 can offer the exotic car experience without the exotic car price tag.

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 12:47 PM
Posted this article with pictures on the main site:

http://www.ericpetersautos.com/home/images/stories/automotive/porsche/boxster/08boxs-b.jpg


http://www.ericpetersautos.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=569&Itemid=10893

damen
07-28-2008, 01:08 PM
My summary of the boxter:
Slow, ugly, and announcing to the world that you cannot afford a REAL porsche

swamprat
07-28-2008, 01:45 PM
A Boxster owner told me that he gets his best mileage at 85 mph. Around 32 mpg. German cars are made to get their best mileage at speed. Why can't we do the same thing?

I don't think that the Boxster is that bad, although I don't need a convertible car. It is miles better than the old 924 or the 914.

damen
07-28-2008, 01:52 PM
actually, my corvette is the same way - around 75mph I get 34mpg.

The boxter is still more expensive than a corvette, still slower, and let's face it, is a girl's car
(sorry, but it is)

Eric
07-28-2008, 02:02 PM
My summary of the boxter:
Slow, ugly, and announcing to the world that you cannot afford a REAL porsche


5.8 to 60 (5 flat with the S) is slow?

damen
07-28-2008, 02:25 PM
my 1999 Corvette with an automatic transmission goes 0-60 in 4.7 seconds
YES, 5.8 is slow, particularly for a "performance" car
edit: I take that back, it isn't slow, it is EMBARASSINGLY slow

Eric
07-28-2008, 02:49 PM
my 1999 Corvette with an automatic transmission goes 0-60 in 4.7 seconds
YES, 5.8 is slow, particularly for a "performance" car
edit: I take that back, it isn't slow, it is EMBARASSINGLY slow


It's slower than your Corvette, yes - but to say it's slow (or embarrassingly slow) is a stretch. Your 'Vette is all of 3 three tenths of a second quicker than the Boxster S - despite having two more cylinders, twice the displacement and, what, 100 more hp?

That's embarrassing?

Eric
07-28-2008, 02:52 PM
actually, my corvette is the same way - around 75mph I get 34mpg.

The boxter is still more expensive than a corvette, still slower, and let's face it, is a girl's car
(sorry, but it is)


A girl's car?

Have you driven one?

Is an S2000 a girl's car? A Z4? A 350Z? The Boxster's as quick or quicker - and handles better.

I've had the opportunity to drive this car, flat out, on a race track - and if it's a girl's car, then girl's cars are getting to be pretty impressive!

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 02:53 PM
5.8 seconds is still fast.

Was not too far back this was ultra fast. Back in 1984 the Chevrolet Corvette was the fastest American Car and it went 0-60 mph in around 7.0 seconds and hit 150 mph.

Give it a few years most sports cars won't be able to hit as low as 5.8 second 0-60 mph when the new CAFE ratings take effect. Displacement will drop again and so will horsepower.

Ken
07-28-2008, 02:55 PM
my 1999 Corvette with an automatic transmission goes 0-60 in 4.7 seconds
YES, 5.8 is slow, particularly for a "performance" car
edit: I take that back, it isn't slow, it is EMBARASSINGLY slow


The Boxter has a 2.7 ltr lump - by comparison how big is the engine in your Corvette? I would have thought, in general, that 5.8 to 60 from a 2.7 ltr engine was not bad, at under 100bhp/ltr it's not even really a tuned engine. I would guess that, if they wanted to, they could add another 50% to the standard power output. Think what they would do with a 5.0 ltr block. Oddly, I had never thought of the Boxter as a 'Performance' car, more as a fairly refined tourer.

Ken.

Eric
07-28-2008, 02:56 PM
5.8 seconds is still fast.

Was not too far back this was ultra fast. Back in 1984 the Chevrolet Corvette was the fastest American Car and it went 0-60 mph in around 7.0 seconds and hit 150 mph.

Give it a few years most sports cars won't be able to hit as low as 5.8 second 0-60 mph when the new CAFE ratings take effect. Displacement will drop again and so will horsepower.


Exactly.

And it's not rally fair to compare a true sports car like the Boxster with the Corvette - a much larger, much heavier car with a huge V-8 that's really more of a gran turismo than sports car....

Besides: Which do you suppose will not lose half its value in three years?

Eric
07-28-2008, 02:58 PM
my 1999 Corvette with an automatic transmission goes 0-60 in 4.7 seconds
YES, 5.8 is slow, particularly for a "performance" car
edit: I take that back, it isn't slow, it is EMBARASSINGLY slow


The Boxter has a 2.7 ltr lump - by comparison how big is the engine in your Corvette? I would have thought, in general, that 5.8 to 60 from a 2.7 ltr engine was not bad, at under 100bhp/ltr it's not even really a tuned engine. I would guess that, if they wanted to, they could add another 50% to the standard power output. Think what they would do with a 5.0 ltr block. Oddly, I had never thought of the Boxter as a 'Performance' car, more as a fairly refined tourer.

Ken.


The Boxster is a sports car - so handling is as important as raw power.

The Corvette is something in between. It is a big, heavy car - with a massively powerful V-8. It does handle well, but it's not nearly the same experience ... apples and oranges.

damen
07-28-2008, 02:59 PM
the miata handles fantastically as well, and is fairly quick
but ask anyone, and they'll tell you it is a girls car

Porsche is supposed to be exclusive, and about performance
this car is not exclusive OR about performance (no more than a half-hearted attempt, anyhow)

you dont buy a porsche to be shown up at a light by an evo, or an sti, or a 350z (which are all much cheaper as well)
and I am someone who would buy a porsche in the future, I'd absolutely love a cayman or a 911.
but I wouldnt be caught dead in a boxter

damen
07-28-2008, 03:01 PM
I'm confused
by what measure is the corvette "heavy" ???
the curb weight of a porsche boxter is: 3130lbs
the curb weight of a corvette is: 3217lbs
so not even 100lbs of difference, and the corvette is a big heavy beast???

Eric
07-28-2008, 03:05 PM
"Porsche is supposed to be exclusive, and about performance
this car is not exclusive OR about performance (no more than a half-hearted attempt, anyhow)"

That's just a silly statement. Was the old 356 a "girl's car" also? How about the early 911s? The Boxster is quicker - and outhandles - most any Porsche of the '70s and even into the '80s.

"you dont buy a porsche to be shown up at a light by an evo, or an sti, or a 350z (which are all much cheaper as well)"

Handling-wise, the Boxster is absolutely the equal (if not the superior) of the Evo or STi- and will eat the 350Z for lunch. Want to talk image? The EVO and STi have "teenage punk" images; few over-30s would go near one because they look like boy racer cars - silly and immature, with ridiculous wings, overdone scoops and el cheapo economy car interiors. No offense. Corvettes, too, have their own image issues. If you're honest, you'll concede the point!

As for cheaper; yes - a bit. But which depreciates faster? Mitsus are notorious for becoming almost worthless within 5 years of purchase. Porsches, on the other hand, hold their value very well.

"and I am someone who would buy a porsche in the future, I'd absolutely love a cayman or a 911.
but I wouldnt be caught dead in a boxter"


I understand you personally don't like the car - but you are being way over the top and unfair in your denunciation of it.... .

damen
07-28-2008, 03:08 PM
just thought I'd also toss out that the corvette has higher skidpad numbers than the boxster as well (according to a quick google)

Eric, I am not being unfair.
I travel in circles where Porsche is the car of choice. I also travel in the import scene and the domestic scene.
Even the people I know who OWN boxsters agree with me - it is a car they bought because they wanted a 911 but couldnt afford it. this lets them still say they have a porsche. and most of them regret the purchase.

edit: for the record, I really dont know what you're talking about with the corvette image thing. you are really the only person I've heard it from. the folks with the lambos and the ferraris seem to love them (at least all the ones I know) - they use them whenever their itallian cars are in the shop being repaired

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 03:08 PM
the miata handles fantastically as well, and is fairly quick
but ask anyone, and they'll tell you it is a girls car

Porsche is supposed to be exclusive, and about performance
this car is not exclusive OR about performance (no more than a half-hearted attempt, anyhow)

you dont buy a porsche to be shown up at a light by an evo, or an sti, or a 350z (which are all much cheaper as well)
and I am someone who would buy a porsche in the future, I'd absolutely love a cayman or a 911.
but I wouldnt be caught dead in a boxter


Porsche has always made well balanced fast sports cars. Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s the 911 got a great reputation as a fast sports car with well balanced handling. However during this time a lot of muscle cars could beat the 911 in the 1/4 mile, however the 911 would beat most of them on the oval track.

Here's examples of Porsches that were well balanced fast sports cars but were not the fastest cars in their day, but still great cars to run on the track:

924
944
944 turbo
968
911

The 928 was faster than all the above however it never caught on in Porsche circles it lacked the well balanced sports car feel, it was a front engined German version of the Corvette.

I like the Boxster, the only beef I have of it's very difficult to get access to the engine. I remember when the boxster first arrived on the scene a few years ago, you had to jack it and crawl underneath it to check the oil.



Porsche makes fast well balanced sports cars,

Eric
07-28-2008, 03:10 PM
I'm confused
by what measure is the corvette "heavy" ???
the curb weight of a porsche boxter is: 3130lbs
the curb weight of a corvette is: 3217lbs
so not even 100lbs of difference, and the corvette is a big heavy beast???


The 2009 Corvette roadster has a curb weight of 3,222 lbs. The Boxster weighs 2,887 lbs. - a difference of 335 pounds.

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 03:13 PM
Want to talk image? The EVO and STi have "teenage punk" images; few over-30s would go near one because they look like boy racer cars - silly and immature, with ridiculous wings, overdone scoops and el cheapo economy car interiors. No offense. Corvettes, too, have their own image issues. If you're honest, you'll concede the point!


Some of the dorkiest guys I know who have bought Boxsters suddenly had women chasing them. Owning a Boxster will get you more dates with gorgeous women than probably any other car for the money. Unfortunately an EVO, Corvette, 350Z, STi, etc. can't compare. Women love guys who drive Porsches, end of story, the marque is unbeatable in that area.

damen
07-28-2008, 03:14 PM
I'm confused
by what measure is the corvette "heavy" ???
the curb weight of a porsche boxter is: 3130lbs
the curb weight of a corvette is: 3217lbs
so not even 100lbs of difference, and the corvette is a big heavy beast???


The 2009 Corvette roadster has a curb weight of 3,222 lbs. The Boxster weighs 2,887 lbs. - a difference of 335 pounds.

I do apologize, google mislead me there
though thats with the MT
the automatic tranny boxster does still weight in at 3009lbs, which narrows the gap a tad.
still hardly an astronomical difference in the world of car weight
the corvette is hardly a pig at 3200

Eric
07-28-2008, 03:18 PM
"just thought I'd also toss out that the corvette has higher skidpad numbers than the boxster as well (according to a quick google)"

Skidpad numbers (even if you're right) don't necessarily equate to better handling. It's just a measure of when the tires will break loose when the car is driven in circles. On a race track (or on the street), the Boxster is a very formidable sports car - and to deny this fact is pretty silly.

"Eric, I am not being unfair. I travel in circles where Porsche is the car of choice. I also travel in the import scene and the domestic scene.
Even the people I know who OWN boxsters agree with me - it is a car they bought because they wanted a 911 but couldnt afford it. this lets them still say they have a porsche. and most of them regret the purchase."

That is your anecdotal experience - and anecdotal experiences vary. They are not definitive. What is definitive, though, is who actually buys the car. And by that standard, the Boxster is by no means a "girl's car."

"for the record, I really dont know what you're talking about with the corvette image thing."

You need to get out more! Corvette - as great a car as it is - has a definite image problem as a "Guido" car, a car with no class, etc. It is, after all, a mere Chevy....

Eric
07-28-2008, 03:21 PM
I'm confused
by what measure is the corvette "heavy" ???
the curb weight of a porsche boxter is: 3130lbs
the curb weight of a corvette is: 3217lbs
so not even 100lbs of difference, and the corvette is a big heavy beast???


The 2009 Corvette roadster has a curb weight of 3,222 lbs. The Boxster weighs 2,887 lbs. - a difference of 335 pounds.

I do apologize, google mislead me there
though thats with the MT
the automatic tranny boxster does still weight in at 3009lbs, which narrows the gap a tad.
still hardly an astronomical difference in the world of car weight
the corvette is hardly a pig at 3200


Never said it was a pig!

But it is a big car, physically - and fairly heavy, too. (Also - and this is subjective - the Boxster fits me better, which is surprising since I'm pretty tall/big. The 'Vette's interior is much more cramped for someone my size.)

I have driven both these cars (several of them) extensively, on the street and on the track. The Vette is a great car, no question - but so is the Porsche. Both have limits far beyond what 95 percent of their owners are remotely capable of as drivers.

damen
07-28-2008, 03:21 PM
an informal quick poll of the guys here at work returned the following:
"the boxster? isnt that the one for gay guys?"
"the boxster is the poor man's porsche, right?"

basically a few more of the same repeated by the rest of the people I checked with
my wife agreed, btw ;)

Eric
07-28-2008, 03:25 PM
an informal quick poll of the guys here at work returned the following:
"the boxster? isnt that the one for gay guys?"
"the boxster is the poor man's porsche, right?"

basically a few more of the same repeated by the rest of the people I checked with
my wife agreed, btw ;)



Right-o. But that's your circle; my circle thinks differently... and then there's Pete's circle... and so on.

Anecdotal "surveys" of this kind are pretty useless.

The Miata gets a lot of schiesse for being a "girl's car," too - but plenty of (straight) men buy it. And the Boxster is a much more capable (and quicker) car than the Miata!

damen
07-28-2008, 04:27 PM
lol I know this better than most, I used to OWN a miata
but I still recognize that (while a great deal of fun) it is a girl's car

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 05:06 PM
lol I know this better than most, I used to OWN a miata
but I still recognize that (while a great deal of fun) it is a girl's car


All the demographic data I have seen in the past shows Porsche sports cars including the Boxster have an overwhelming majority of males owning them. Only a small percentage of women own Porsche sports cars including the Boxster. It's a more common sight to see a woman driving a Corvette (which is a rarity) than a woman driving a Boxster. If women buy a German car they are more likely to buy a BMW or a Mercedes. So I can't see how you can call a Boxster a "girl's car".

damen
07-28-2008, 05:09 PM
I see the issue
you guys are missing what I mean, when I say a girl's car
I mean it is an extremely effeminate car
girly, in appearance (if not in actual ownership)
lacking in masculine qualities
delicate

chiph
07-28-2008, 05:28 PM
A girl's sports car?
That would be the Mercedes SLK.

Chip H.

Disco Man
07-28-2008, 05:29 PM
I see the issue
you guys are missing what I mean, when I say a girl's car
I mean it is an extremely effeminate car
girly, in appearance (if not in actual ownership)
lacking in masculine qualities
delicate


The Porsche Boxster is more masculine looking than most small two seater sports cars such as the Mazda Miata, Pontiac Solstice, Saturn Sky, Mercedes SLK, etc. The Porsche Boxster looks like a modern version of the old Porsche 550 (which James Dean drove and died in). The problem is that it's very hard to make a small car look really muscular. It's like trying to make a midget look muscular like a 6'2" Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The only modern small 2 seater sports car that looked ultra muscular was the 2007 Dodge Demon Concept Car (which Dodge never made):

http://www.cars.com/features/autoshows/2007/geneva/coverage/images/concept_dodge_demon_frntang2_mfr_430.jpg

Eric
07-28-2008, 05:40 PM
"but I still recognize that (while a great deal of fun) it is a girl's car"

What does this mean?

Certainly, plenty of men buy the car. And by any objective measure of sports car performance, it is a capable, credible car - and then some.

I understand that you think it is "girly" - but that's just a subjective opinion and others definitely disagree!

Eric
07-28-2008, 05:42 PM
I see the issue
you guys are missing what I mean, when I say a girl's car
I mean it is an extremely effeminate car
girly, in appearance (if not in actual ownership)
lacking in masculine qualities
delicate



That's ridiculous.

A VW Rabbit cabrio is an "extremely effeminate car."

The Porsche people would be startled by your view; as Pete notes, Porsche buyers are overwhelmingly male.

misterdecibel
07-28-2008, 06:47 PM
Porsche has always made well balanced fast sports cars. Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s the 911 got a great reputation as a fast sports car with well balanced handling. However during this time a lot of muscle cars could beat the 911 in the 1/4 mile, however the 911 would beat most of them on the oval track.



WHAT???

First of all, no one ever accused the classic 911 of being "well balanced". It was always a car that required an expert hand to keep from going off the road tail first into a tree.

And the average Porsche buyer couldn't care less about oval tracks.

Eric
07-29-2008, 11:12 AM
Porsche has always made well balanced fast sports cars. Back in the late 1960s and early 1970s the 911 got a great reputation as a fast sports car with well balanced handling. However during this time a lot of muscle cars could beat the 911 in the 1/4 mile, however the 911 would beat most of them on the oval track.



WHAT???

First of all, no one ever accused the classic 911 of being "well balanced". It was always a car that required an expert hand to keep from going off the road tail first into a tree.

And the average Porsche buyer couldn't care less about oval tracks.


I think what Pete was trying to say is that Porsches have an established reputation for great handling as much as straight-line acceleration (and that they are superb road-racers, etc.). Hence, "balanced." Traditionally/historically, American performance cars have been better at accelerating than handling (or stopping). That includes the Corvette, by the way - which up until the mid 1980s was not much of a handler and had mediocre to inadequate brakes, etc.

Of course, it's also true that early Porsches were mostly pretty slow - like most sports cars. In America, "sports car" means a different thing than it does to Europeans. We really like press-you-in-the-small-of-the-back acceleration, which is why we love powerful cars. But sports cars were traditionally (and still are) mostly about nimble handling/responsiveness.

The Boxster is an excellent example of the traditional sports car - and also delivers acceleration that is very good, both in relative and absolute terms. (By the standards of even 10 years ago, its 5.8 seconds to 60 mph time and 150 mph top end would have been considered extremely top-shelf, not far off the pace of exotic supercars.)

Disco Man
07-29-2008, 12:15 PM
WHAT???

First of all, no one ever accused the classic 911 of being "well balanced". It was always a car that required an expert hand to keep from going off the road tail first into a tree.

And the average Porsche buyer couldn't care less about oval tracks.


I have driven a few 911s in my day, and they are easy to drive sports cars with great handling characteristics. They handle different than a traditional front engined rear-wheel drive sports car. It's takes a little time to get used to them, however once you get the feel of the car down, its not hard to get fantastic handling out of them.

When you get a chance page through a few auto magazines from the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. The Porsche 911s of these different decades always got at the top of the heap in terms of skidpad numbers. If these 911s were not well-balanced that would not be possible.

As for Porsche owners not caring anything about oval tracks, in my area alone the Porsche folks use the nearby oval more than any other sports car club I know of. In fact there is even a local shop that specializes in weekend racing conversions for Porsches, because so many owners want to make engine and suspension changes before a big race day or weekend at the local track. The local Porsche guys are most serious racers I have come into contact with. Not even the local Ferrari club which does race days is as serious as the Porsche guys.

Did you know the original plan back in the late 1970s was for the 928 to replace the 911? Porsche had originally intended for the 911 to be phased out. Of course the Porsche owners/buyers wanted no part of this, and the 911 lives and the 928 is long since deceased.