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gail
09-26-2008, 04:09 PM
When knows truth? What are facts? I am now old enough to have seen "facts" disproved over and over. For years I, being a visionary, have had those who would laugh at me and claim that I was ignorant, only to see that that I was correct, but not popular, after all. I don't know everything, no one does. I am quick to admit to the times that I am ignorant. I laugh at myself when I have made a funny error in speech or action, and there are times when I realize that my stand in flat-out wrong, but for the most part I have an uncanny sense about me that some have claimed is spooky.

Who would have thought a simple, uneducated old woman would go to Washington, DC and take the Capitol by storm? I had no fear. I was laughed at, ridiculed, and told that I didn't know what I was talking about, and that they had the "facts." Nevertheless, in 11 months I did the impossible that had eluded others for 23 years.

I am reminded of Plato's Allegory of the Cave. I found several YouTube each with a slightly different variation of the story. Just like in the allegory I have returned to the cave to tell you what I know. Will you listen?

Click here: YouTube - Plato's Cave (animated version)

Click here: YouTube - The Allegory of the Cave

Click here: YouTube - "The Allegory of the Cave" 2012

Eric
09-26-2008, 04:49 PM
This is freshman year college philosophy Gail - which you'd know if you'd been to college!

The fallacy, or defect with Plato's allegory is the suggestion that because our knowledge is imperfect, knowledge is not possible. This is often extended to an even more nonsensical notion - that our "feelings" and "beliefs" are just as valid as any other means of "knowing."

Plato's trickery is often used to invalidate knowledge - or to try to draw some equivalence between knowledge and opinion or belief. The latter you've done yourself. It's clear, based on the things you've posted, that you don't understand the difference between a fact and a belief, or a belief based on an assertion.

For example, the "golden plates" of your religion - whose existence is based on assertion and belief and appeal to authority - another logical fallacy you'd learn about in Freshman year Philosophy 101.

gail
09-26-2008, 08:23 PM
I didn't realize the links that I put in my post wouldn't work, so here are the live links. There were many choices of this allegory, I liked these 3 the best, especially the 3rd one.

Plato's Cave (animated version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2afuTvUzBQ&NR=1

The Allegory of the Cave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ei7LqbYb8M&feature=related

The Allegory of the Cave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbgTvnT0AMA&feature=related