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DonTom
12-30-2008, 12:28 AM
I am in the market for buying another RV. Nothing too fancy or new because it won't get a lot of use and two doggies will always be with us on all trips. I am thinking about a gasoline powered (diesel doesn't like to sit around ) RV made in the mid 1990's so it will have a four speed auto tranny and be fuel injected and have most other features I am looking for. However, I think most of the EFI used in RV's then are TBI, not MPFI. But I assume I won't notice any difference.

I have noticed most of the RV's of the mid 1990's have one of these three engines:

Chevy 454 CID (7.44 L) V8
Ford 460 CID (7.53 L) V8
Ford Triton V-10 (415 CID, 6.8L)

Of the three engines above, which is the most reliable and unreliable, has most guts and etc?

And should I rule out the V-10 after reading THIS? (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/320332-triton-v10-is-worthless.html)

Besides, why have the extra parts to go wrong if the engine is going to be smaller than the V-8's?


-Don-

MikeHalloran
12-30-2008, 01:19 AM
I'd rule out the V10 just because I don't like the sound. It never sounds 'happy', even when it's running perfectly.

I have no particular preference between the other two, but I think 454 parts might be slightly easier to find and slightly cheaper when you need them.

Eric
12-30-2008, 07:59 AM
I am in the market for buying another RV. Nothing too fancy or new because it won't get a lot of use and two doggies will always be with us on all trips. I am thinking about a gasoline powered (diesel doesn't like to sit around ) RV made in the mid 1990's so it will have a four speed auto tranny and be fuel injected and have most other features I am looking for. However, I think most of the EFI used in RV's then are TBI, not MPFI. But I assume I won't notice any difference.

I have noticed most of the RV's of the mid 1990's have one of these three engines:

Chevy 454 CID (7.44 L) V8
Ford 460 CID (7.53 L) V8
Ford Triton V-10 (415 CID, 6.8L)

Of the three engines above, which is the most reliable and unreliable, has most guts and etc?

And should I rule out the V-10 after reading THIS? (http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/320332-triton-v10-is-worthless.html)

Besides, why have the extra parts to go wrong if the engine is going to be smaller than the V-8's?


-Don-





The Chevy 454 "big block" is a very durable - and proven - engine that has been in continuous production since the late 1960s. It would be an excellent choice.

The Ford 460 would be my second choice. It, too, has been around for decades and the basic design is known to be sturdy.

I have heard some not-so-good things about the V-10. It would be my third choice. In fact, I'd avoid choosing it at all - for two reasons:

* The other two engines are known to be better.

* I know of no advantage to going with the V-1 over the others.

DonTom
12-30-2008, 09:57 AM
"The Chevy 454 "big block" is a very durable - and proven - engine that has been in continuous production since the late 1960s. It would be an excellent choice."



Thanks. That was the answer I was hoping for. But do you know the difference in performance between the engines?

We will be in Reno this weekend and we will take a drive to Fernley, NV to look at this here. (http://reno.craigslist.org/rvs/968524221.html) However, Fernley was recently in a flood. See here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41ra7kK9xfw) I will have to check for water damage the best I can. These 22 foot Class A RV's are quite scarce and have not been made for years. But we might also consider bidding on this Class C here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting) and if we win it will drive in from Colorado back to NV, if possible.


-Don-

Eric
12-30-2008, 10:21 AM
"Thanks. That was the answer I was hoping for. But do you know the difference in performance between the engines?"

The 454 has been built in literally dozens of versions (different cam profiles, compression ratios, combustion chamber/head designs, etc.) so it's hard to say what the difference in performance would be unless you can ID one specific version of the 454 to compare with one specific version of the 460 Ford.

One immediately obvious difference I can think of is that the 454 was built for everything from very high performance, high hp/high RPM (Corvette, Chevelle SS, etc.) to low RPM/high torque (what you'd want for an RV) and everything in between. It has been used as a big car engine ('70s-era Impala station wagons, etc), performance car engine, to truck and RV engine. GM also sells a variety of versions through its Goodwrench parts catalogue. (See also: Summit and JEGS, etc.)

The 460 Ford, meanwhile, was pretty much a "big car " engine and not used for high-performance (the 427, 428 and 429 Fords were the "performance" Ford big blocks).

The 454 is apt to be more common (because it's still in production) and you're likely to be able to find one that exactly meets your specific needs. Parts, too, are apt to be more readily available - as well as cheaper...

chiph
12-30-2008, 03:11 PM
I'd go with the 454 for all the reasons Eric stated.

Just out of curiosity -- did you think about one of the 1970's GMC motorhomes? They used a 455 Oldsmobile V8.

Chip H.

DonTom
12-30-2008, 06:14 PM
I'd go with the 454 for all the reasons Eric stated.
Just out of curiosity -- did you think about one of the 1970's GMC motorhomes? They used a 455 Oldsmobile V8.
Chip H.

No, mainly because I want to stay away from carburetors and three speed automatic trannys. There's also many other nice features in the newer RV's.


-Don-

Eric
12-31-2008, 09:10 AM
No, mainly because I want to stay away from carburetors and three speed automatic trannys. There's also many other nice features in the newer RV's.


-Don-


Much as I am a fan of the Olds 455, it hasn't been in production since the late 1970s - more than 30 years ago. It was never offered with EFI, as you note - and as an antique engine, replacement parts, though available, are much harder to find as well as much more expensive than for a Chevy 454.

DonTom
01-02-2009, 12:34 AM
We looked at this Class A RV today (http://reno.craigslist.org/rvs/968524221.html). What a piece of junk! I knew the photos were not all that great, but it looked even a lot more junky when seeing it for real. I would not take it if the guy would let me have if for free. It looked like it belonged in the junk yard. The guy tried to paint the exterior but it looked like he used house paint. We could see rust all over underneath. This 93 was a lot more junky than the 1978 Class C that we junked!

I noticed on the map that he lived right next to the canal that flooded last year. I bet much of it was under water. Some places the water got 8 feet deep and that might have been one of them!

Then later today, we looked around Carson City & Reno dealers for used RV's. Some dealers were open today (New Year's Day). There was nothing we liked. Some were quite decent but way too large (near 40 feet). Seems smaller ones are rare these days. I mean we see them on the road, but not for sale. Perhaps a lot of people who lost their homes are now living in small used RV's, which makes them very difficult to find for sale.

BTW, we never saw so many homes for sale as today in that area of Fernley. The homes are all quite new (built during the time they gave loans to everybody). We didn't notice any flood damage on the outside of the homes or a water line or anything like that, just that most streets in that area had every third house or so up for sale.

Here in this area of Cold Springs Valley (extreme NW Reno) , the HOA would never allow such a junky RV to be parked anywhere that anybody could even see it! So I assume they don't have an HOA there in Fernley, even though the homes there are several years newer than here (this home was built in year 2000).

We have decided to take a gamble again (we purchased our 1999 Mustang on E-Bay, which was fine) and make a bid on THIS CLASS C RV (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting)and have it delivered to us here in Reno for $550.00. We talked to the guy selling it on the phone and it sounds great, as if we can trust a used car salesman:). We considered driving to Colorado and driving two vehicles back, but it seems having it shipped here is a lot less hassle. But first we have to see if we will win it. We put in an e-snap bid already and we will know by tomorrow if we won it. I figure the odds are about 50-50, by what we bid.

This RV has the Ford 460 engine. I assume it is TBI as are most RV's of that era (1993).

Now, I have a few questions.

BTW, what's the most likely engine used in Chrysler RV's? Do they have something larger than the 5.8L?

And is there such thing as a GM engine that's around 500 CID? I think I heard of it somewhere, but never saw it. I think I heard it was not available in CA because of smog requirements, but I never saw it here in NV either. Does it really exist and if so is it any good?

And does anybody other than Ford make a big V-10 for use in trucks, RV's? And if so, is it any good?


-Don-

MikeHalloran
01-02-2009, 12:54 AM
The Chevy '454' is available as a crate motor from your Chevy dealer in displacements up to 502 ci.

I think Cadillacs once went as big as ~572 ci, but not currently.

DonTom
01-02-2009, 01:17 AM
The Chevy '454' is available as a crate motor from your Chevy dealer in displacements up to 502 ci.

You mean it's a 454 bored out to 502? Is it only used to replace a 454 or was it ever stock in a new vehicle?

Does boring it out make it less reliable? And is there a large noticeable difference in power or torque?


-Don- (Reno)

Eric
01-02-2009, 09:01 AM
You mean it's a 454 bored out to 502? Is it only used to replace a 454 or was it ever stock in a new vehicle?

Does boring it out make it less reliable? And is there a large noticeable difference in power or torque?


-Don- (Reno)


Yes, exactly. A 427 Chevy big block (and also the 396 and 402) are likewise essentially the same engine as the 454 (and 502) just slightly bored, etc.

Absolutely nothing to fear from the larger displacement/newer versions - these are all among the toughest/beefiest/most un-killable engines out there. It's why they are revered by the hi-perf. crowd and perhaps the most popular such engine available...

Eric
01-02-2009, 09:04 AM
On Chrysler - if memory serves, the 5.8 (360 CID) is the largest recent production V-8. After this, there's the V-10. Chrysler does sell its big block as a crate engine, however.

But I still think the Chevy is the best choice for what you want...

DonTom
01-02-2009, 10:00 AM
On Chrysler - if memory serves, the 5.8 (360 CID) is the largest recent production V-8. After this, there's the V-10. Chrysler does sell its big block as a crate engine, however.

But I still think the Chevy is the best choice for what you want...

What size is the Chrysler V-10? And is it more reliable than the Ford V-10?

And do any new vehicles come stock with that Chevy 502 CID?


-Don-

Eric
01-02-2009, 10:03 AM
What size is the Chrysler V-10? And is it more reliable than the Ford V-10?

And do any new vehicles come stock with that Chevy 502 CID?


-Don-


If memory serves, the Chrysler V-10 is around 8.1 liters. It was developed as a truck/heavy use engine, incidentally - and only later got hopped-up in the Viper.

On the Chevy: I think (and will check) that the 502 is currently (or recently) the production "big block" used in GM's heavy trucks.

DonTom
01-02-2009, 10:59 AM
If memory serves, the Chrysler V-10 is around 8.1 liters.

How long has it been around and how reliable is that V-10 8.1L (494 CID)?

At least that V-10 is larger than their V-8's, unlike Ford's.

I never heard anything good about Ford's V-10, but what about the Chrysler V-10?

It seems the Chrysler RV's are the rarest of the three in both the Reno and SF area. But if I don't win that Ford on E-bay, I want to know in case I come across one some day.

In four hours, I will know if I am the new owner of this. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting)


-Don-

Eric
01-02-2009, 02:29 PM
How long has it been around and how reliable is that V-10 8.1L (494 CID)?

At least that V-10 is larger than their V-8's, unlike Ford's.

I never heard anything good about Ford's V-10, but what about the Chrysler V-10?

It seems the Chrysler RV's are the rarest of the three in both the Reno and SF area. But if I don't win that Ford on E-bay, I want to know in case I come across one some day.

In four hours, I will know if I am the new owner of this. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting)


-Don-




The Chrysler V-10 has been around for about 15 years, if memory serves... .

Its not a bad engine, from what I have read/heard - but a couple of things to consider relative to the BB Chevy :

* Definitely more expensive to maintain;
* More parts to deal with;
* Parts not as readily available - or inexpensive;
* Probably uses more gas

Eric
01-02-2009, 02:31 PM
"In four hours, I will know if I am the new owner ..."

You are brave!

I hope it turns out ok.....

DonTom
01-02-2009, 08:53 PM
"In four hours, I will know if I am the new owner ..."
You are brave!
I hope it turns out ok.....

Brave because we cannot find anything we want near either of our two homes.

It turned out okay because we didn't win it. I think we were the only legitimate bidders. I think he had somebody shill bid for many reasons, instead of just setting a reserve price. Our bid was $8121.33 and it sold for the minimum bid allowed above ours ($8221.33, as you can see here. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting)

Anyway, we are now thinking about buying this Class A here (http://www.rv-mart.com/details.asp?ID=1352), but it's being sold from Kentucky. This seems to be exactly what we're are looking for so we don't mind paying the higher price. Also the 454 engine. We might take a trip to Kentucky just to look at it. But January might not be the best month to drive a RV back to NV if we decide to buy it.


-Don-

Eric
01-03-2009, 09:45 AM
Brave because we cannot find anything we want near either of our two homes.

It turned out okay because we didn't win it. I think we were the only legitimate bidders. I think he had somebody shill bid for many reasons, instead of just setting a reserve price. Our bid was $8121.33 and it sold for the minimum bid allowed above ours ($8221.33, as you can see here. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37.l1313%26sati tle%3D170289810123%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1&item=170289810123&viewitem=#ebayphotohosting)

Anyway, we are now thinking about buying this Class A here (http://www.rv-mart.com/details.asp?ID=1352), but it's being sold from Kentucky. This seems to be exactly what we're are looking for so we don't mind paying the higher price. Also the 454 engine. We might take a trip to Kentucky just to look at it. But January might not be the best month to drive a RV back to NV if we decide to buy it.


-Don-

I think luck went your way on this one - that second RV looks much better. And not just because it has the 454.

There was something cheesy about the first one; my Spider Sense tingled at all the caveats and disclaimers the seller posted. He seemed to be hinting that it was a POS with all kinds of problems - problems that would be your problems as soon as money changed hands!

chiph
01-03-2009, 12:39 PM
Just a word of warning -- it looks like several motorhome makers have gone out of business in the past few months. I would make sure you can still get parts for whatever you buy.

Not just drivetrain, but the small impossible-to-duplicate stuff like interior fittings.

Chip H.

grouch
01-03-2009, 04:54 PM
If memory serves, the Chrysler V-10 is around 8.1 liters. It was developed as a truck/heavy use engine, incidentally - and only later got hopped-up in the Viper.

On the Chevy: I think (and will check) that the 502 is currently (or recently) the production "big block" used in GM's heavy trucks.


I used to know one of the engineers who developed the V-10 truck engine. It was based on the Viper design but not much would interchange. They are basically two different engines with the same displacement. It was held up three years before going into production so they could get the "whipping" problem on the crankshaft solved. The V-10 equiped pickups go cheap compared to similar trucks with the 6 banger Cummins because the V-10 is a VERY thirsty engine and doesn't have the durability of the oil burner.

grouch
01-03-2009, 05:02 PM
Anyway, we are now thinking about buying this Class A here (http://www.rv-mart.com/details.asp?ID=1352), but it's being sold from Kentucky. This seems to be exactly what we're are looking for so we don't mind paying the higher price. Also the 454 engine. We might take a trip to Kentucky just to look at it. But January might not be the best month to drive a RV back to NV if we decide to buy it.



-Don-



That RV isn't that far from me. I'm about 100 miles from it. That area isn't known for "churning" used cars. If it was Mayfield Ky., I'd say run away. :D If you'd want someone to look at it before you buy, send me a private message.

grouch
01-03-2009, 05:12 PM
Of the two engines, I'd go with the 454. I ran a salvage yard in the early 80's and both engines sold as soon as they came in. The 460's usually went into cars and pickups though. The 454 went into heavy duty trucks as much as cars.
The 454 is still in production so parts are available. It's not as cheap to build one as a 350/400 small block though. Parts are as close as your local parts store. That's a point in it's favor since unless it's brand new, there will be repair costs.
If you call the owners on the one you're looking at, ask them what transmission it has. It may have an Allison transmission. That's a heavy duty truck unit.

DonTom
01-04-2009, 12:42 AM
Just a word of warning -- it looks like several motorhome makers have gone out of business in the past few months. I would make sure you can still get parts for whatever you buy.

Not just drivetrain, but the small impossible-to-duplicate stuff like interior fittings.Chip H.

Drive train stuff is usually no problem because the same stuff is used in many trucks. At least that was the experience we had with our old 1978 Chevy RV. Trucks shops seemed to have everything and not only that, some are open 24 hours in the SF Bay Area.

As for interior stuff, there's usually some way to modify things, especially if cosmetics isn't too important.


-Don-

DonTom
01-04-2009, 01:11 AM
I think luck went your way on this one - that second RV looks much better. And not just because it has the 454.

There was something cheesy about the first one; my Spider Sense tingled at all the caveats and disclaimers the seller posted. He seemed to be hinting that it was a POS with all kinds of problems - problems that would be your problems as soon as money changed hands!

Problems are fine as long as it's the usual electrical stuff. When we purchased our old RV, almost nothing worked inside. In the first couple of weeks, I repaired the furnace, water heater and refrigerator (sort of repaired, because I had to light it from the outside each time I wanted to use it <RV refrigerators use a pilot light, as they run on propane. IOW, they use heat to make cold!>. I also had to replace the battery isolator as it had a shorted diode. And I changed many other things. All were electrical problems (such as the ignition unit in the furnace and thermostat for the water heater). I got a good deal on that piece of junk because nothing worked. But then I didn't know how junky the 400 CID small block was. But part of the problem might have been that it was designed for the 55MPH days and ran too many RPM's at higher speeds, (as you assumed caused its mealtdown).

All the problems in my old RV were related to engine and tranmisson. If I could have put in 454 a big block and another higher gear in the tranny, I would still have it today.

Newer RV's have a four speed tranny and also get a lot better MPG. And I think the only newer engine to stay away from now, is the Ford V-10, right?


-Don-

DonTom
01-04-2009, 01:37 AM
Of the two engines, I'd go with the 454. I ran a salvage yard in the early 80's and both engines sold as soon as they came in. The 460's usually went into cars and pickups though. The 454 went into heavy duty trucks as much as cars.
The 454 is still in production so parts are available. It's not as cheap to build one as a 350/400 small block though. Parts are as close as your local parts store. That's a point in it's favor since unless it's brand new, there will be repair costs.
If you call the owners on the one you're looking at, ask them what transmission it has. It may have an Allison transmission. That's a heavy duty truck unit.

I have noticed that those who sell RV's usually know less than I do about such stuff, and that's not much. Expecting them to know one tranny form the other might be too much to expect form one who sells used RV's. I know what a TH400 looks like from the tranny pan but I don't know what to look for to see if it's an Allison tranny.


-Don-

DonTom
01-04-2009, 02:13 AM
That RV isn't that far from me. I'm about 100 miles from it. That area isn't known for "churning" used cars. If it was Mayfield Ky., I'd say run away. :D If you'd want someone to look at it before you buy, send me a private message.

Thanks for the offer, but I just discussed all this with Tom and we decided that we are in no hurry to buy any RV and this isn't the best season to drive one back from KY or to take a RV trip. We just might wait until a deal comes to us. That RV has been listed since June 20, so it might still be available in the spring, perhaps a lower price by then too.

Seems we are the only ones looking for a small class A RV. Perhaps that's why nobody makes them so small any more. Small Class C's are still fairly common and are not out of the question for us.

BTW, we went around the Sacramento area today looking for RV's for sale. Seems small ones of any class are scarce out here these days. But we see plenty of large ones.

BTW, the other day Tom telephoned the guy selling this class A in KY. He mentioned there's a big scratch on one side (I assume the side not shown in the photo!) but he said he will accept $21,000.00 because of that scratch. I bet we could talk him down another thousand, but we don't want to get obligated when it's so far away. Tom said the guy's strong KY accent was very difficult to understand!

There's still a chance we might want your services later, if that thing is still available and we cannot find anything we want closer to home in the next few months.


-Don- (South SF)

Eric
01-04-2009, 07:05 AM
"Newer RV's have a four speed tranny and also get a lot better MPG. And I think the only newer engine to stay away from now, is the Ford V-10, right? "

I think that's about it!

chiph
01-04-2009, 11:50 AM
Did you know that some people are making Class A's on the Dodge Sprinter platform?
They're pretty small.

I think Airstream makes one.

Chip H.

DonTom
01-05-2009, 09:44 AM
That RV isn't that far from me. I'm about 100 miles from it. That area isn't known for "churning" used cars. If it was Mayfield Ky., I'd say run away. :D If you'd want someone to look at it before you buy, send me a private message.

We came up with an idea (danger!). We will still be looking for RV's in this area next week. We found out that there's several places in Santa Rosa, CA (about 40 miles north of here) that sells used RV's that do NOT list them on the internet.

But if that doesn't work out, we may just have you check out that RV in KY. Are you in KY? The southern accent was really difficult for Tom to understand (I never heard him myself, but I am sure I will have as much trouble as Tom did, if not more). But Tom says he thinks the guy said he will be gone for a month but his wife will be back by next week. It was not clear if she could sell us the RV without her husband being there. We might have to either wait a month or have you call her next week in Lewisburg at 1(270)847-7753 to help clear things up! I assume you speak & understand KY Southern<g>!

Anyway, we have a possible plan, but it's not yet for sure. The first step will be you calling him and see if you can meet to check out the RV (we will figure a way to agree on paying for your time on E-mail later). But it might depend on what you say if we decide to buy it or not! Don't do anything yet, but I might want you to give him a call soon.

The plan will be if it checks out okay (we can discuss all this on E-mail later) we will fly to NashVille, rent a car to get to Lewisville, pick up the RV and start a RV trip to Florida after we return the car to NashVille. I will take a month off from work for this trip. We will visit many other places on the way home, taken southern routes to Las Vegas and then back to our Reno home where the RV will stay. I don't think we will have to worry much about snow if we stay south where the elevation is a lot lower. This should be a good time to visit Florida. We've never been there before and I have always wanted to visit the Everglades. I hear this isn't a bad time of the year for such a trip.

Anyway, this plan is if we cannot find a RV that we like in this area. We have a few more places to look in few days, all about 50 miles north of San Francisco in the Santa Rosa area.


-Don- San Francisco

DonTom
01-05-2009, 09:50 AM
Did you know that some people are making Class A's on the Dodge Sprinter platform?
They're pretty small. I think Airstream makes one.
Chip H.

Might be too small. We want one about 22 feet long, but we will look at other sizes that are within a few feet of that, as long as it has everything we want.


-Don-

MikeHalloran
01-05-2009, 12:07 PM
[SIZE=3][COLOR=DarkGreen]This should be a good time to visit Florida. We've never been there before and I have always wanted to visit the Everglades. I hear this isn't a bad time of the year for such a trip.


This is the perfect time of year to visit Florida... through the end of March or so.

After that, the skeeters in the Everglades get too bad to deal with.

Wait until April-ish, and your vehicle will be plastered with lovebugs throughout Florida. Invest in a fine mesh grille screen to protect your radiator, and coat the front of the vehicle with PAM (not the olive oil variety; the 'original' plain lecithin), so that you can hose them off before their acidic body chemistry attacks the paint and chrome.

grouch
01-05-2009, 10:30 PM
BTW, the other day Tom telephoned the guy selling this class A in KY. He mentioned there's a big scratch on one side (I assume the side not shown in the photo!) but he said he will accept $21,000.00 because of that scratch. I bet we could talk him down another thousand, but we don't want to get obligated when it's so far away. Tom said the guy's strong KY accent was very difficult to understand!

There's still a chance we might want your services later, if that thing is still available and we cannot find anything we want closer to home in the next few months.


-Don- (South SF)



If you think a Kentuckian accent is hard to understand, try talking to a Hoosier from around here. They even have trouble up state from here hearing what we mean. You should have heard the nurse when I called a friends wife after she had her last child, in Australia. There are a couple of RV dealers here in town. If I think about it and remember to take a camera, I'll see what's around here. One is a bit shady but ther other one doesn't have a bad reputation in the garages around twon.

grouch
01-05-2009, 10:46 PM
Don, I'm not in Kentucky but I'm southwest of Louisville. Every Saturday, I head to Sebree Ky. to visit my mother so I'm partway to Lewisburg. I used to date a gal who lives in Central City Ky (where the Everly Brothers are from) and that's just north of there. I live in Evansville In. (well, outside it but I have an Evansville mailing address) but I do speak Kentuckian. :D

Look around your neck of the woods and I'll look around here. I know there are several on the local craigslist and I'll see what is there as well as at local dealers. I'll also spread the word around. Perhaps someone has one exactly like what you want, they lost their job and want to sell it either for payoff or just cheap to move it quick.

DonTom
01-06-2009, 04:28 AM
Look around your neck of the woods and I'll look around here. I know there are several on the local craigslist and I'll see what is there as well as at local dealers. I'll also spread the word around. Perhaps someone has one exactly like what you want, they lost their job and want to sell it either for payoff or just cheap to move it quick.

Thanks. However, that one in Lewisburg sure looks good to us. And if we decide on a trip to Florida, I won't mind putting on all those extra miles to get it home since that will be a RV trip vacation with almost half the miles saved.

But we still want to look around here first to see what's availbale. So far, it seems like there's not many like that for sale out here, but we have a couple more places we can look in a few days.


-Don-

Eric
01-06-2009, 08:21 AM
Thanks. However, that one in Lewisburg sure looks good to us. And if we decide on a trip to Florida, I won't mind putting on all those extra miles to get it home since that will be a RV trip vacation with almost half the miles saved.

But we still want to look around here first to see what's availbale. So far, it seems like there's not many like that for sale out here, but we have a couple more places we can look in a few days.


-Don-


Don,

I just realized my neighbor has a motor home he's looking to sell. It is a big one - the kind you get in and drive, not the kind you pull with a truck. They bought another one of these beasts a few months back and so now are looking to get rid of the old one. I don't know offhand what make/model it is but I can find out if you are interested and could also take some pics for you.

It's an older, retired couple who own the 100-plus acre farm behind us, FYI.

DonTom
01-06-2009, 08:45 AM
Don,

I just realized my neighbor has a motor home he's looking to sell. It is a big one - the kind you get in and drive, not the kind you pull with a truck. They bought another one of these beasts a few months back and so now are looking to get rid of the old one. I don't know offhand what make/model it is but I can find out if you are interested and could also take some pics for you.
It's an older, retired couple who own the 100-plus acre farm behind us, FYI.

The main thing to start with is how long it is. The shorter, the better. Less than 26 feet in total length. Most are larger. The larger ones are a lot easier to find for sale out here.

"RV" covers many vehicles, but a "motorhome" means it has its own motor. I do NOT want to tow.

With motorhomes, there are Class A, B and C. An "A" is like the one in KY. A "B" is a van conversion. A class "C" is like the one I bid for on E-Bay. I will consider a small Class A or Class C with a decent large engine.


-Don-

DonTom
02-04-2009, 02:12 AM
Today, I received my $253.08 worth of factory service manuals for my RV (just for the 2000 Chevy Express part, not for anything in the coach).

Anyway, the first thing I did was decode my VIN number and I got a pleasant surprise. It said my 7.4 L engine is MPFI. I assumed it was TBI. So I checked deeper in the manuals and it clearly shows it as MPFI, showing the 8 injectors on the fuel rails. In fact, TBI is not even available in this model and year of Chevy Express with a 7.4 L engine.

Why was I thinking it was TBI?


-Don- San Francisco

Eric
02-04-2009, 07:22 AM
Today, I received my $253.08 worth of factory service manuals for my RV (just for the 2000 Chevy Express part, not for anything in the coach).

Anyway, the first thing I did was decode my VIN number and I got a pleasant surprise. It said my 7.4 L engine is MPFI. I assumed it was TBI. So I checked deeper in the manuals and it clearly shows it as MPFI, showing the 8 injectors on the fuel rails. In fact, TBI is not even available in this model and year of Chevy Express with a 7.4 L engine.

Why was I thinking it was TBI?


-Don- San Francisco


Good news!

Actually, you weren't off base to expect TBI. While MPFI has been the standard in passenger cars for a decade, TBI could still be found in vans/commercial-type vehicles. Part of the reason for this, I imagine, is that smog/mileage standards don't apply (or are much less stringent) over a certain GVW and also that TBI is cheaper.

DonTom
02-07-2009, 07:22 AM
Good news!

Actually, you weren't off base to expect TBI. While MPFI has been the standard in passenger cars for a decade, TBI could still be found in vans/commercial-type vehicles. Part of the reason for this, I imagine, is that smog/mileage standards don't apply (or are much less stringent) over a certain GVW and also that TBI is cheaper.

Today, it's confirmed MPFI.

I had to remove the engine cover to see what was going on with a problem that I didn't realize until yesterday (Friday). The only air I could get for the A/C and heater would blow ONLY out from the defogger regardless of what was selected. Obvious vacuum problem.

But what I found was a real shocker, but this shouldn't surprise me all that much. The first thing I noticed is there was NOT a single hose to the intake manifold or even anywhere near it. I found a plug on the only vacuum port on the engine!!! I then found the vacuum reservoir and noticed a lot of melted hose that was ran too close to the exhaust.

Here's what I assume happened. A CarFax of this RV shows THIS:

07/16/2005 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Tracy, CA Title issued or updated
New owner reported
07/19/2005 Vehicle Repair Center Vehicle serviced
ECM repaired
07/19/2005 94,627 California
Inspection Station
Manteca, CA Passed emissions inspection
09/06/2005 95,992 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim
Vehicle serviced
Electrical sys. serviced
07/08/2006 96,569 Service Plan Co. Service contract claim
Vehicle serviced
Engine serviced
08/03/2007 97,537 California
Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection
Designated GROSS POLLUTER
10/08/2008 100,247 California
Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection
10/22/2008 100,271 California
Inspection Station Failed emissions inspection
12/17/2008 Vehicle Repair Center Vehicle serviced
PCV Valve repaired
PCV hose repaired
Spark plugs repaired
Ignition wires repaired
CAP/Rotor repaired
Initial timing repaired
Fuel filter repaired
Air filter repaired
12/17/2008 California
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection
12/22/2008 Livermore Ford Lincoln Mercury
Livermore, CA
925-294-7700
www.livermoreautogroup.com
ww.livermoreautogro
up.com (http://www.carfax.com/phoenix/followDetailsLink.cfx?vin=1GBJG31J9Y1209420&permutationName=ORGANIZER&compCode=CCVZV70JF1&linkId=SL&rptDate=07.Feb.2009%2005:04:14&linkUrl=http://www.livermoreautogroup.com) Vehicle serviced

I assume what happened is that it failed the CA smog test (perhaps the vacuum leak was the only thing wrong, but at least I got a tune up out of it as the wires, plugs, distributor cap, fuel filter and all that has been replaced (I know CarFax shows all this as "repaired" instead of replaced). But they were too lazy to replace the hose that ran toward the very front of the TV where the vacuum reservoir is located, so they simply plugged up the port at the intake manifold! Can you believe it?

Anyway, I ran all new vacuum line and all works fine now. While I had the engine cover open, I decided to add a tach. There's no stock tach in the Chevy Express.


-Don- (Reno)

Eric
02-07-2009, 07:24 AM
That's a good story! And yes, I can believe it. "Professionals" are often far from it... but glad it worked out in your favor!

Ken
02-07-2009, 08:03 AM
That's a good story! And yes, I can believe it. "Professionals" are often far from it... but glad it worked out in your favor!




Now, as they say, 'Ain't that the truth.' I had a similar experience when asked to look at a car with virtually non-existent brakes. A garage workshop had replaced one of the hoses but the owner said 'I'm really having to use all my power on the brake pedal. - hardly surprising as the garage had replaced the vacuum hose with ordinary garden hose.

Ken.