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dom
02-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Considering getting a lift for the foundation of my DIY stuff on the bike, trike, and other random vehicles/tools.

What do ya'll think about this lift?

http://www.ericpetersautos.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=337&stc=1&d=1266194913

Link (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=94121)

I like it because it is dual action: foot pump and pneumatic.

MikeHalloran
02-14-2010, 09:41 PM
I've used similar lifts, during my very brief career as a motorcycle mechanic.
They're really great to have in a shop, so you don't break your back on routine stuff like oil changes, or just for detailing the bike.
They're less useful when you need to get the weight off the wheels, e.g. to change a tire.
They also take up quite a lot of space; that may or may not be important in your shop.

Harbor Freight used to sell a scissor lift with a plain platform about 2x3 feet that went straight up when you pumped a foot pedal. Something like that might be more useful for working in small shops, for lifting a bike's frame, and especially for lifting a trike.

Regardless of what you use to lift the bike, you should develop the religious habit of clamping or chaining the bike to the lifting platform (and securely bolt the lift to the floor). It's really embarrassing to have a bike fall off the lift. ... not to mention the damage it can do.

dom
02-14-2010, 11:41 PM
Thanks for the input Mike. Believe it or not I intend to put this unit in my storage shed!

Work area is about 14x12 feet. It's tight, but it's the area I have.

It will be resting on an earth floor. I intend on digging the ground down and putting in some gravel/sand/pavers.

For sure I will be strapping the unit to the lift when I use it.

As far as bolting to the floor I'm not sure I can accomplish that, maybe to a large board or something like that.

I would like something with a big deck to set stuff on. I have some big projects I do on my toys/tools around here and Mickey Mousing on the ground is wearing out my knees, dirtying my tools, making me going up and down a lot, hampering my productivity, and just generally pissing me off..

I'm replacing both tires and clutch before this riding season and intend on putting in a Baker six speed next winter.

Wanna get off groundation! HA

Eric
02-15-2010, 05:31 AM
Amigo,

What Mike said - and, do the Right Thing and lay down a concrete pad. I did it in my shed/workshop, which also had a dirt floor when we moved here. Dirt floors eat it. Not only messy, but no support for your work and the constant moisture is hard on your stuff.

It's not technically difficult, doesn't cost much if you do the manual labor yourself (and the area's not too huge; the main expense is the concrete. Main "technical" challenge is estimating how many yards of concrete you need. This will help: http://www.concrete.com/calculators/concrete-materials-calculators )

Main physical challenge is it's some hard-ass manual labor!


Basically, what you do is dig out the area (removing roots/crap, etc.) enough to lay/level gravel as a base (you'll need a few tons to do say 20x15 - about what my shed is). You box the area in with boards to create a frame; level the gravel depth. Figure out how many yards of concrete you'll need, then (probably) arrange to have a truck come dump the load. Mixing yourself is very hard to do for any area that's larger than a small walkway, fyi -

You use rakes, etc. to spread the concrete around and get it reasonable uniform/level within your mold. Wear waterproof boots!

The last step is "screeting" the top to get it nice and level and smooth.

I did mine by myself; main grunt work is digging out the foundation and putting down the gravel. Messing with the concrete itself is messy but only takes an hour or so.

I put down 4 inches, with fiberglass mixed in to the concrete for strength.
The whole deal cost me less than $1,500.

Extremely worth it!

dom
02-15-2010, 11:55 AM
Dang it! I knew you were going to say that! Just don't know if I want to invest that concrete money into the shed. I have plans to eliminate it completely one day.

http://www.atlanticblvd.com/photo/data/542/medium/P1030578.JPG

Eric
02-15-2010, 12:03 PM
Dang it! I knew you were going to say that! Just don't know if I want to invest that concrete money into the shed. I have plans to eliminate it completely one day.

http://www.atlanticblvd.com/photo/data/542/medium/P1030578.JPG

Looks like a solid little shed. If it's basically sound, I'd do it. You have enough land to build more (either add to it, or build another structure) later on. With a real floor, you'd have a nice little workshop - and later, if you built a larger building, you could still use the smaller shed for storage.

That's what I'd do, anyhow...

Here's an exterior shot of my shed:

dom
02-15-2010, 12:09 PM
So do you suggest squaring out a pad in the middle of the shed then leaving some gravel between the slap and the 4x4 foundation wood?

Eric
02-15-2010, 01:16 PM
So do you suggest squaring out a pad in the middle of the shed then leaving some gravel between the slap and the 4x4 foundation wood?

Is your shed built on 4x4s? If so, you can do what I did and dig down a couple inches (the whole "floor") then brace/box the upright 4x4s with pressure treated 2x6s to created your form for the gravel/concrete. Put down appx. 2 inches of gravel. Pour appx. 4 inches of concrete on top. You now have a complete wall to wall floor!

dom
02-15-2010, 01:32 PM
Damn, I am going to be a digging fool!

But yeah, 4x4 uprights on all the corners.

Eric
02-15-2010, 02:56 PM
Damn, I am going to be a digging fool!

But yeah, 4x4 uprights on all the corners.

Yeah, that's the fun part!

You should be able to git 'er done in a weekend - everything but the pouring of the concrete. For that, you're going to need to wait until it's warmer anyhow.

But it'll be worth it - you'll see!

I, too, used to have to squat in the %$%#@! mud - and now I sit on a nice clean concrete floor ...:D

dom
02-15-2010, 04:38 PM
and now I sit on a nice clean concrete floor ...:D

Sounds like heaven! HA

Eric
02-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Sounds like heaven! HA

It definitely makes life easier. Today, for example, I was in there working on my tractor - on my back, removing the hydraulic filter. It's not a fun job, but not having to lie in the dirt makes it a lot better!

dom
02-15-2010, 08:08 PM
Dude, I love the idea of concrete but I'm not gonna do it!

This project will go from $430 to a weekend of excavating plus $1500 plus the lift quick.

Gonna do the quick and dirty. Rocks and pavers!

Hope my POS Harley don't fall on me!

Just dropped over 2k for the wife and kid to fly to Japan.

Then another couple huns on the freaking barrel for my AR.

MikeHalloran
02-15-2010, 08:22 PM
At least put some heavy polyethylene film and a pressure- treated wooden deck over the dirt.

dom
02-15-2010, 09:52 PM
At least put some heavy polyethylene film and a pressure- treated wooden deck over the dirt.

Yeah!

I'm going to dig it down, put some pavers, then some pressure treated wood decking there.

What is a polyethylene film?

MikeHalloran
02-15-2010, 11:55 PM
A film of polyethylene will act as a vapor barrier, and slow down some of the burrowing critters you find in dirt.

J. ZIMM
02-16-2010, 03:25 AM
:) I've been looking at a four posted lift. The main reason is that I want to be able to drive under and though it to park my Classic in its hole while having the Lift up. A two post would work, but I do not trust a Two Post on a 4" thick floor with no re-bar in it. I had one at the shop I worked at and OSHA had them reinforce the floor to 6" with re-bar to the length of 4' in each direction. It had some thing to do with the weight and off balance of the vehicles on the lift. Of course, the concrete had to have 'Bar'' in it. But in my case, just to have some thing to get a car or pickup off the deck would be a great help to me. :cool:

dom
02-16-2010, 10:43 PM
A four post is excellent for storage purposes. I've seen setups like that on Hot Rod TV etc..

Guys, should I purchase this lift?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94121

I have a crap load of work that needs to be done to the bike and I am itching to make the job easier!

J. ZIMM
02-17-2010, 12:48 AM
:) Dom. what kind of info do they have on this. What is its capacity? Warranty? Some of the stuff I have bought from them is OK. Some of it is JUNK. Look at its construction, I think they say it will hold up to a Thousand or so pounds. If that will do the trick, then go for it. But keep in mind, cheap price, cheap built. Hope this helps. :cool:

Eric
02-17-2010, 05:52 AM
A four post is excellent for storage purposes. I've seen setups like that on Hot Rod TV etc..

Guys, should I purchase this lift?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=94121

I have a crap load of work that needs to be done to the bike and I am itching to make the job easier!

I'm with JZimm,

Be very cautious about a major purchase from Harbor Freight. Some of their stuff is ok - but some is real crap. Be wary of a price that seems too good to be true, especially for something that's not just a throwaway (like a cheap set of screwdrivers).

It's been awhile since I've priced lifts, so I'm not sure offhand whether the price you've quoted falls into the "too good to be true" category.

But I am leery about the "Central Hydraulics" brand. Never heard of them. I suspect the thing was "drop forged" in China... meaning a guy named Chin dropped the thing near the forge....

I'd be more confident about something like this:

http://www.superlifts.com/motorcyclelifts/ml1000.html

dom
02-17-2010, 10:52 AM
That thing is bad to the bone. The price reflects it too!

dom
02-17-2010, 10:57 AM
Holly shit. I emailed them asking the price. They contacted me back in less than five seconds.

$895

Eric
02-17-2010, 11:49 AM
Holly shit. I emailed them asking the price. They contacted me back in less than five seconds.

$895

Might be worth it... Here's how I look at it:

"Save" by buying the low-cost (cheaply built) unit - which fails soon thereafter, forcing you to go out and buy a good unit.

Or, just buy the known good unit first time out!

Ken
02-17-2010, 12:45 PM
Might be worth it... Here's how I look at it:

"Save" by buying the low-cost (cheaply built) unit - which fails soon thereafter, forcing you to go out and buy a good unit.

Or, just buy the known good unit first time out!


When it comes to tools of any sort there is no substitute for quality - and when safety is involved as well its a no-brainer, Dom.

Khen.

dom
02-17-2010, 01:18 PM
Eric and Ken, yeah for sure!

I asked about the optional side plates and they are an additional $250.

Going to buy the whole deal.

Thanks for finding that Eric!

Only problem now, I can't get it to the shed because the freaking snow.

Going to pull the trigger on it this week though for sure.

Eric
02-17-2010, 02:11 PM
Eric and Ken, yeah for sure!

I asked about the optional side plates and they are an additional $250.

Going to buy the whole deal.

Thanks for finding that Eric!

Only problem now, I can't get it to the shed because the freaking snow.

Going to pull the trigger on it this week though for sure.

Excellent!

And don't sweat the snow. It'll be gone in a few weeks... we hope!

dom
02-17-2010, 02:15 PM
All projects at my home are pretty much at a stand still. We still have all (almost three feet) of the snow on the ground. My driveway is a bobsled track!

I am pumped on this lift!

Come on tax return baby!

dom
02-17-2010, 04:58 PM
Aight Dustin over at Superlifts.com (http://www.superlifts.com/) helped me out.


http://www.ericpetersautos.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343&stc=1&d=1266443852

http://www.ericpetersautos.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344&stc=1&d=1266443860

We are working on the final numbers now.

dom
02-17-2010, 06:45 PM
It will be here in two weeks!

J. ZIMM
02-17-2010, 11:59 PM
It will be here in two weeks!
Looks like a better unit that what we have seen here. Might be a little more green, but remember "Safety First Pays Dividends". (c) j. zimm 1975 :)

Eric
02-18-2010, 05:17 AM
Aight Dustin over at Superlifts.com (http://www.superlifts.com/) helped me out.


http://www.ericpetersautos.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343&stc=1&d=1266443852

http://www.ericpetersautos.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344&stc=1&d=1266443860

We are working on the final numbers now.

That's the ticket; when your bike's up in the air (and you're squatting next to it/under it) I think you'll be liking it even more!

dom
02-18-2010, 10:10 AM
"Safety First Pays Dividends". (c) j. zimm 1975 :)


I like that!

This is going to be my most useful tool to date!

dom
03-02-2010, 01:55 PM
Aight, I have a small section all framed out and cute looking. 104.5" x 28.5" x 7" deep

Chicken wire, re-bar, and a tied in ready to go.

Even have 30 bags of concrete.

Weather is too cold though. Did some research and it said I would compromise the strength of the pour by 50% if the temperature is less the 40 degrees.

Well shet!

Eric
03-05-2010, 05:25 AM
Aight, I have a small section all framed out and cute looking. 104.5" x 28.5" x 7" deep

Chicken wire, re-bar, and a tied in ready to go.

Even have 30 bags of concrete.

Weather is too cold though. Did some research and it said I would compromise the strength of the pour by 50% if the temperature is less the 40 degrees.

Well shet!

Dude,

Do you have a large capacity mixer? It is extremely difficult to prepare/work with large quantities of concrete "by hand." You want (ideally) all your concrete mixed/ready to pour at once - not in several small batches. It's hard to maintain consistency if you don't; the first batches will start to harden while you're trying to prep the second and subsequent batches - plus, it's possible you will have variation in the water/mix ratio from the different batches.

Basically, for any large work, you'd ideally want a cee-ment truck to back up and dump the load, then work it.

dom
03-05-2010, 08:12 AM
Well dammit!

You don't think I can mix up 24 bags in a jiffy lube? Then have it in the hole and ready to harden quick enough?

My buddy Dan said the same shet.

Might just end up renting a mixer then.

Hope the weather warms up soon.

Eric
03-05-2010, 08:48 AM
Well dammit!

You don't think I can mix up 24 bags in a jiffy lube? Then have it in the hole and ready to harden quick enough?

My buddy Dan said the same shet.

Might just end up renting a mixer then.

Hope the weather warms up soon.

I'm with Dan.

I have been there/done that - and I'll you what: Concrete is heavy as hell and until you've tried mixing individual bags, you won't appreciate what a PITAS it is - and how hard it is to mix any quantity (more than 2-3 bags, which won't cover shit, by the way) "at once" and spread it before it starts to set up.

Seriously - get a mixer/order a truck and have 'em just back up to your site and dump the concrete. It's really the only way to do it right....

Ken
03-05-2010, 09:05 AM
I'm with Dan.

I have been there/done that - and I'll you what: Concrete is heavy as hell and until you've tried mixing individual bags, you won't appreciate what a PITAS it is - and how hard it is to mix any quantity (more than 2-3 bags, which won't cover shit, by the way) "at once" and spread it before it starts to set up.

Seriously - get a mixer/order a truck and have 'em just back up to your site and dump the concrete. It's really the only way to do it right....

Been there and done it - its a no brainer, order a 'Readymix' of the appropriate grade and get the truck to dump it straight in the hole. That way all you have to do is work all the bubbles out and level off.

Ken.

dom
03-05-2010, 09:21 AM
Too late on the truck bit. I already have all the bags!

I have been collecting them slowly.

After work I have been stopping by Home Depot and Lowes collecting two bags each day.

Now I have 24! LOL

Ken
03-05-2010, 11:53 AM
Too late on the truck bit. I already have all the bags!

I have been collecting them slowly.

After work I have been stopping by Home Depot and Lowes collecting two bags each day.

Now I have 24! LOL

Oh man!. Just a thought, how many friends have you got to give you a hand? Three or four should do it if'n you hire a mixer.

Ken.

dom
03-05-2010, 08:39 PM
To be honest I don't have any friends! HA

The few I do have live far away from me.

I guess I could rent a mixer, I checked prices today and they are really cheap to rent. Think around $30 for a day.

Thing holding me up and making me scared is the cold weather. I am considering my options now on how to fight that.

Dan already told me he would come up next weekend. Dan is the man when it comes to shet like this too. He is a construction supervisor dude with a civil engineering degree!

I really wanna get this slab on the ground because I have this lift coming soon.

Got some big plans.. New rear tire, new front tire, install my starter I rebuilt, and boys I might be dropping some serious cash on a Baker six speed tranny for my unit!

Oh, the six speed is kind of going to be a gift to myself. I got a new job and a raise!

dom
03-07-2010, 12:06 PM
So, the weather yesterday was pretty nice.

My morning mixture/amount of coffee in the system ratio was perfect.

So, here is what happened..



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http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040540.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1106)

http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040551.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1117)

http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040549.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1115)

Eric
03-07-2010, 12:39 PM
Hey, that looks good!

A manageable area; for some reason I assumed you were doing the whole floor...

But, you missed wading around in ankle-deep muck!

dom
03-07-2010, 02:17 PM
I am going to do the rest of the floor with decking boards. I think that will be a lot cheaper/easier/and nice on my ankles/shins and feet when getting my wrench on.

It really came out nice. I am going to get some plastic seal type stuff for the top today. It will help the lift roll on there nice when it jacks into the air.

Took about one hour to pour all the cement, then about an entire day of checking and messing with it to make it perfect.

I'm really impressed with my handy work. HA The trick was taking my time and doing some really dry mixes for the last pours. I knew all the moisture from the first pours would float to the top (which it did).

Next Phase => Installing the lift!

Ken
03-07-2010, 03:06 PM
So, the weather yesterday was pretty nice.

My morning mixture/amount of coffee in the system ratio was perfect.

So, here is what happened..



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http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040540.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1106)

http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040551.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1117)

http://honda350x.com/gallery/data/503/medium/P1040549.JPG (http://honda350x.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1115)

Looks good, Dom. I see you kept the hardest labor - taking the photographs - for yourself, wise move, man. The little supervisor sitting in the green chair looks kinda cute but are you sure she is qualified to be overseeing such a major construction project.

Ken.

dom
03-07-2010, 07:36 PM
Ha, yeah she did a pretty good job. As you can see the back wheel in the picture she also has front row parking.

Tell ya'll what, my legs are sore from being on my knees all day.

I'm glad it's done and ready for this lift to arrive. After the lift comes in and I get it working I will being on the wood floors.

dom
04-18-2010, 02:50 PM
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dom
04-18-2010, 02:50 PM
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Ken
04-18-2010, 05:11 PM
Now that, Dom, is one neat set-up. It is, by the look of it, a really solid piece of engineering that should last forever. I particularly like the slide out plate, at the back of the lift, I've not seen that before, it should make rear wheel removal a quick and easy task. Job Done! as they say.

Ken.

dom
04-18-2010, 06:50 PM
Yeah, the back slide out plate is the deal. It's the cat's azz for sure. Rear wheel removal is a snap. I got the guys to also throw in that mini jack for free. I have side extensions for it too, so I can work on atvs and other big stuff. It also has a ramp that is not in the pictures.

It's really a quality product and will surely last forever. They provided me with a nice parts list sheet with specs etc for easy parts replacement at hardware stores.

I am 6'3" and the lift is plenty high for me. I don't even have it on the highest notch, but then again I have to slab its resting on about 6 inches off the ground.

Super easy install, but heavy as hell (650lbs).

Final thoughts:



Top quality product
Welds could be a bit longer for cosmetic reasons
Thought it was going to be red
Lifts my ~800lbs bike with easy
Vice for front wheel is strong

Eric
04-19-2010, 06:24 AM
That is righteous - and I am jealous! :D

dom
04-19-2010, 01:12 PM
It is well worth the money and doubles as an awesome work bench. With the extensions on it measure 4'x8'.

J. ZIMM
05-26-2010, 10:45 PM
It is well worth the money and doubles as an awesome work bench. With the extensions on it measure 4'x8'.
:) Well, it has been a while, Dom. How is that new Motorcycle Lift working out for you? Your knees getting any better? Lose any tools in the Concrete?...lol Nobody likes a smart a$$...lol Enjoy :D

dom
08-06-2010, 04:02 PM
Damn, I lost track of this thread.

The lift has worked out beautifully.

I use it every weekend, if not for repairs then for cleaning the bike.