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Eric
07-12-2010, 08:28 AM
..for believing anything about this idea of a supernatural being?

Everything people say about this being - "god" - amounts to unprovable assertions, slippery generalizations and what arguably amounts to wishful thinking, given the absolute absence of anything more solid than "I believe" or "it is written" to support it.

Thoughts?

tcolby
07-12-2010, 12:14 PM
..for believing anything about this idea of a supernatural being?

Everything people say about this being - "god" - amounts to unprovable assertions, slippery generalizations and what arguably amounts to wishful thinking, given the absolute absence of anything more solid than "I believe" or "it is written" to support it.

Thoughts?
Believing in any religion whatsoever is irrational.
To my knowledge, no concrete proof has ever been provided in support of a god, supreme or supernatural being.

Eric
07-12-2010, 02:08 PM
Believing in any religion whatsoever is irrational.
To my knowledge, no concrete proof has ever been provided in support of a god, supreme or supernatural being.

Hell, I'd settle for for any proof at all! :D

dBrong
07-13-2010, 08:11 AM
Hell, I'd settle for for any proof at all! :D

This experiment would prove the nonexistance:

Here's my proof:

If you were born in Isreal you would be a jew.

If you were born in Italy you would be a catholic.

If you were born in India you would be a hindu.

If you were born in Pakistan you would be a muslim.

I believe this statistically shows that religious belief is simply a product of your enviornment.

Need I continue?

PS: Jesus is commin' and man is he pissed :)

Eric
07-13-2010, 08:58 AM
This experiment would prove the nonexistance:

Here's my proof:

If you were born in Isreal you would be a jew.

If you were born in Italy you would be a catholic.

If you were born in India you would be a hindu.

If you were born in Pakistan you would be a muslim.

I believe this statistically shows that religious belief is simply a product of your enviornment.

Need I continue?

PS: Jesus is commin' and man is he pissed :)

Yep, that's a pretty devastating (and common sense) objection to the ridiculous presumption that every major religion has: The claim to being the "one true faith" and a beeline to the deity.

There's also the almost child-like (no wait, it is child-like) anthropomorphism that pervades all the major (Abrahamic, anyhow) religions.

A sort of divine paterfamilias who lords it over his not-so-bright "children," who demands submission to his authority, including his often arbitrary edicts ... just "because."

Big Daddy also gets vengeful and jealous; he likes to copulate with "the daughters of man" and takes a keen interest in their sexual activities. He likes the smell of burnt offerings and... well, you get the idea!

dBrong
07-13-2010, 10:34 PM
There's also the almost child-like (no wait, it is child-like) anthropomorphism that pervades all the major (Abrahamic, anyhow) religions.

A sort of divine paterfamilias who lords it over his not-so-bright "children," who demands submission to his authority, including his often arbitrary edicts ... just "because."

There is this ad trailer on your web site...

http://www.thegodmovie.com/?gclid=COuw4sr76aICFQkXawodpTij9g

As I was reading through the advert I saw a mention:



Alan Dundes, Professor of Folklore at the University of California at Berkeley.

I thought yeah, folklore! It's simple and wraps it all in a nutshell.

However be warned - I have heard through prayer that Godzilla will soon come fix the gulf oil leak!

Many times god will talk to me, via my pet turtle.

Eric
07-14-2010, 06:14 AM
There is this ad trailer on your web site...

http://www.thegodmovie.com/?gclid=COuw4sr76aICFQkXawodpTij9g

As I was reading through the advert I saw a mention:



I thought yeah, folklore! It's simple and wraps it all in a nutshell.

However be warned - I have heard through prayer that Godzilla will soon come fix the gulf oil leak!

Many times god will talk to me, via my pet turtle.

I prefer to pray to Krom... and to ponder the Riddle of Steel!

Ken
07-14-2010, 06:29 AM
I prefer to pray to Krom... and to ponder the Riddle of Steel!

Nay lad! Pledge your allegiance to The Invisible Pink Unicorn (may her tiny hooves be thrice blessed). She is the one pure oxymoron and will lead you along the paths of glory to the Halls of True Enlightenment.

Ken.

Eric
07-14-2010, 06:33 AM
Nay lad! Pledge your allegiance to The Invisible Pink Unicorn (may her tiny hooves be thrice blessed). She is the one pure oxymoron and will lead you along the paths of glory to the Halls of True Enlightenment.

Ken.

Krom will be angered!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE1tyh6ediQ

Ken
07-14-2010, 07:41 AM
Krom will be angered!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE1tyh6ediQ

Krom - pah! Nothing but a neo-con hawk. Gaze in awe upon the vision of the true one.







If, as an unbeliever you did not see the IPU (blessed be her tiny hooves) then see her likeness portrayed only as her avatar.

Eric
07-14-2010, 07:57 AM
Krom - pah! Nothing but a neo-con hawk. Gaze in awe upon the vision of the true one.







If, as an unbeliever you did not see the IPU (blessed be her tiny hooves) then see her likeness portrayed only as her avatar.

And Doom replied:

What is steel compared with the flesh that wields it?

Ken
07-14-2010, 10:24 AM
And Doom replied:

What is steel compared with the flesh that wields it?

Steel is worked by hammer and fire and hardened by fire and yet may also softened by fire.

The heart must be hammered by adversity and forged by suffering, purged and hardened by the fire of conflict. A man's heart can only be shaped, purified and softened on the "anvil of despair and loss".

Therefore steel and flesh are different in chemistry but similar in concept.

The Invisible Pink Unicorn (may her hooves be washed only in the cleansing waters of purity) is, however, pure and perfect in all things, needs no fire nor suffering nor adversity to enhance her perfection and cannot be overcome by flesh or steel.

Ken.

misterdecibel
07-14-2010, 01:32 PM
If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?

Ken
07-14-2010, 02:18 PM
If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?

Possibly because he was the olden day version of the stand up comic who loves to laugh at his own jokes?

Ken.

Eric
07-14-2010, 04:36 PM
If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?


Don't confuse the issue by asking reasonable, rational questions!

Just beeeeeeeelieve...

Ken
07-14-2010, 05:25 PM
Don't confuse the issue by asking reasonable, rational questions!

Just beeeeeeeelieve in the Invisible Pink Unicorn...

That's it folks, the IPU rules.

dBrong
07-14-2010, 11:07 PM
And Doom replied:

What is steel compared with the flesh that wields it?

I'm sorry Eric. But you have brought this upon your self. From my talking turtle, to the pink unicorn. You have no one to blame but yourself!

Your punishment is that you must turn Catholic (the biggest cult in the world - IMO).

Eric
07-15-2010, 05:59 AM
I'm sorry Eric. But you have brought this upon your self. From my talking turtle, to the pink unicorn. You have no one to blame but yourself!

Your punishment is that you must turn Catholic (the biggest cult in the world - IMO).

Never!

Krom is my god and he lives in the Earth!

Ken
07-15-2010, 07:51 AM
Never!

Krom is my god and he lives in the Earth!

Ah!, Krom! Behold the earth dweller.

Adam
07-15-2010, 09:01 AM
Wouldn't it be awesome if mankind evolved passed all this? Where people didn't judge each other on their beliefs? I think religion is manipulated at times to control people or sanction dastardly deeds. While I am religious I do not believe more then going to church on Sunday and doing a daily prayer. Now I ask ou this what about the Bible and Koran were these made up? Who could spend so much time making these up? The Bible and Koran have many great moral teachings and is the guide for billions. Are the characters described in these books made up? Ask your self these questions first and please do not worship false gods a grave sin indeed.

Eric
07-15-2010, 09:41 AM
Wouldn't it be awesome if mankind evolved passed all this? Where people didn't judge each other on their beliefs? I think religion is manipulated at times to control people or sanction dastardly deeds. While I am religious I do not believe more then going to church on Sunday and doing a daily prayer. Now I ask ou this what about the Bible and Koran were these made up? Who could spend so much time making these up? The Bible and Koran have many great moral teachings and is the guide for billions. Are the characters described in these books made up? Ask your self these questions first and please do not worship false gods a grave sin indeed.

Well, it depends on what you mean.

These holy books are the product of multiple authors, re-written, edited and "interpreted" countless times over hundreds, even thousands of years. The original authors were primitive people living in primitive times and had a superstitious, "magical thinking" way of looking at and interpreting the world around them. If the sun went away in the evening, only fervent prayer could assure its return the next day. Etc.

Most of it is story-telling, no different than Aesop's fables - only the religious expect their fables to be taken as literally true.

But the fact that "it is written" no more makes it true (let alone "holy") than my saying "just because."

In fact, both amount to the same thing.

This is self-evident to me; a simple deduction based on the facts at hand. People - millions of them, unfortunately - believe otherwise. Often fervently - and even violently.

But that doesn't make their belief any more respectable than the belief of the nut on the street who tells you Napoleon is whispering in his ear or that we should repent and shed our containers because the comet/mother ship is here to pick us up.

Right?

I absolutely believe it's ok to judge people on their beliefs - and am betting you do, too!

Or do you believe I shouldn't judge, say, a mass-murderer (or simply a local bully) on account of his beliefs?

Etc.