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DonTom
10-31-2010, 07:56 AM
It seems this is one issue where I think much like the majority of Americans.

See here. (http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2010-10/christianitys-contributions-mostly-negative-americans-say)

"(RNS) When asked about Christianity's recent contributions to society, Americans cited more negatives than benefits, according to a new survey."


-Don-

Eric
10-31-2010, 08:06 AM
It seems this is one issue where I think much like the majority of Americans.

See here. (http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2010-10/christianitys-contributions-mostly-negative-americans-say)

"(RNS) When asked about Christianity's recent contributions to society, Americans cited more negatives than benefits, according to a new survey."


-Don-

One of the many problems with Christianity, of course, is that Christians can't seem to agree on what Christianity actually is!

Some say it demands the sort of violent, exclusionary treatment mentioned in the article; others say not. No one can "prove" who's right, though, because the Bible itself is so vague and contradictory. It can literally mean almost anything the person reading it chooses to "believe" it says.

This is part of its evil genius!

Ken
10-31-2010, 08:32 AM
One of the many problems with Christianity, of course, is that Christians can't seem to agree on what Christianity actually is!

............ It can literally mean almost anything the person reading it chooses to "believe" it says.

This is part of its evil genius!

I suppose that one of the problems for 'Christians' is that so many people have generated so many different versions of the original texts - each written by a person with his own particular agenda - that the current bastardised scripts bear little or no relationship to anything that previously existed and defy belief anyway. Or something like that.

Ken.

DonTom
10-31-2010, 08:36 AM
One of the many problems with Christianity, of course, is that Christians can't seem to agree on what Christianity actually is!True, but the rest of us can. IMAO, a Christian is anybody who believes that they are. No exceptions.

And even that is enough to leave us both out.


-Don-

DonTom
10-31-2010, 08:40 AM
One of the many problems with Christianity, of course, is that Christians can't seem to agree on what Christianity actually is!

Some say it demands the sort of violent, exclusionary treatment mentioned in the article; others say not. No one can "prove" who's right, though, because the Bible itself is so vague and contradictory. It can literally mean almost anything the person reading it chooses to "believe" it says.

This is part of its evil genius!

You mean like this cute example?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk)

-Don-

Eric
10-31-2010, 08:42 AM
I suppose that one of the problems for 'Christians' is that so many people have generated so many different versions of the original texts - each written by a person with his own particular agenda - that the current bastardised scripts bear little or no relationship to anything that previously existed and defy belief anyway. Or something like that.

Ken.

Exactly.

And of course the basic doctrines themselves (such as a monotheistic God who has a son; who is omnipotent but can't find Adam and Eve hiding in the garden, etc. etc.) are contradictory and incoherent.

Reason and logic have no place, which is why religious people tend hold such irrational, illogical views.

Just beeeeeee-lieve!

Eric
10-31-2010, 08:43 AM
True, but the rest of us can. IMAO, a Christian is anybody who believes that they are. No exceptions.

And even that is enough to leave us both out.


-Don-


I always get a laugh out of Christians who say (for instance) that Mormons aren't Christian!

Eric
10-31-2010, 08:45 AM
You mean like this cute example?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk)

-Don-


Precisely!

But Christians will only "blank out," ignore this sort of thing - and denounce you and me for apostasy and such.

200 years ago, we'd have been dunked or had stones stacked on our chests until we saw Jeebus.