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Eric
12-20-2006, 05:12 PM
Your entries, please!

mrblanche
12-20-2006, 09:03 PM
Hard to give the flops of 2007 in December of 2006.

Or are you becoming one of those predictive journalists we were talking about? ;)

Eric
12-21-2006, 03:33 AM
Hard to give the flops of 2007 in December of 2006.

Or are you becoming one of those predictive journalists we were talking about? ;)


Doh!

I'm a victim of my profession; just had to work out the details of attending a press preview for the 2008 Ford F-Series.. and must've fast-forwarded myself.

2006. Right you are...

swamprat
12-21-2006, 01:13 PM
I would have to say it is Ford Motor Company's Way Forward or Bold Moves campaign.

It is by far the most aimless, directionless, hapless, yet arrogant manufacturer on the planet. This year, they closed the Ford Taurus plant, which was ranked as one of the most productive plants that it had. Instead, they have exported a large portion of its mid sized car manufacturing to Mexico, a country where 1/30 people can afford to drive a car.

What they have done with Lincoln is a disgrace: Rebadged Mazda 6's MkZ and the same old product slop we're used to.

They also hired a guy from Boeing, with no auto experience and a shady record at producing model airplanes in a very non-competitive market. Doesn't seem like the formula that the American consumer needs to me.

Save for the Mustang, Ford doesn't make a product worth spending your hard earned cash.

Yes, Ford is a disaster.

I would also like to nominate General Motors as my second choice, a company that has earned a bad taste in my mouth for shoving On-Star on many of its customers and all of them in the future. I like many of their products, but their arrogance will beat them in the end, after the temporary surge that they're enjoying.

I'm waiting for Nissan to come out with that RWD replacement for the 200SX that I've been reading about. It may take them a while, but at least they're making some mildly interesting products.

swamprat
12-23-2006, 02:13 PM
i want to add Jaguar, which is a part of Ford, to the list. Their cars are bland, they are speed governed, and they still have spotty reliability (like Ford).

Jag now has a concept for an S-type replacement that looks nothing like a Jaguar. It has the same old 400 HP supercharged 4.2 L V8.

The designer that penned this concept admired the way the original XJ6 and XJ12 looked. To me they looked more like a Chevy than a Jag.

The rounded nice llines of the Mark 2, the original S-type and the 420 Sedan were the real Jaguar made during happy times, before the tumultuous 1970s events like the energy crisis and the rampant inflation took hold of our society.

The new S-type replacement looks more like a Citroen SM than a Jagaur, although the SM was better looking.

Mase
12-23-2006, 08:57 PM
A REAL Jaguar, pre-Ford

Eric
12-23-2006, 09:00 PM
All good points.

As for specific entries, I'd have to list:

* Honda Ridgeline
* Subaru B9 Tribeca
* Lincoln Zephyr

... let me think some more and I will come up with some more!

Kwozzie1
01-14-2007, 09:43 PM
Your entries, please!


GM- Holden Adventra

So much for:

The Holden Adventra will redefine family motoring in Australia ;)

chiph
01-14-2007, 10:17 PM
i want to add Jaguar, which is a part of Ford, to the list. Their cars are bland, they are speed governed, and they still have spotty reliability (like Ford).


I think you're forgetting just how unreliable the Jaguars really were in the 80's.
While Jaguar is still no Toyota so far as reliability, they were significantly improved by switching to Ford electrics.


Oh, and Eric - my nomination also includes the Ridgeline. I still have trouble determining which end is which.

"Ahh, headlights, so this must be the front then..."

Chip H.

Eric
01-15-2007, 07:10 AM
"Oh, and Eric - my nomination also includes the Ridgeline. I still have trouble determining which end is which.

"Ahh, headlights, so this must be the front then..."

Honda has had to resort to discounts and incentives on this model; highly unusual for them...

Given what's available now, the Ridgeline's too heavy, too slow, too ugly - and too expensive!

Kwozzie1
01-22-2007, 03:34 AM
While Jaguar is still no Toyota so far as reliability, they were significantly improved by switching to Ford electrics.

They departed from the Prince of Darkness....Lucas

mrblanche
01-22-2007, 07:42 AM
They departed from the Prince of Darkness....Lucas


Wasn't the Prince of Insufficient Light a character in Dilbert? Carried a large spoon, instead of a fork...

There was a company here in Dallas that ran a wrecking yard, and on the side they did engine swaps. They put Chevy 350's in XJ Jaguars, and did 5 a week back in the mid 80's. They did about that rate on putting 350's into formerly diesel GM cars, too.

Eric
01-22-2007, 08:18 AM
They departed from the Prince of Darkness....Lucas


Wasn't the Prince of Insufficient Light a character in Dilbert? Carried a large spoon, instead of a fork...

There was a company here in Dallas that ran a wrecking yard, and on the side they did engine swaps. They put Chevy 350's in XJ Jaguars, and did 5 a week back in the mid 80's. They did about that rate on putting 350's into formerly diesel GM cars, too.


A Jaguar still looks better on a lift than most cars look on the road!

mrblanche
01-22-2007, 09:56 AM
And I can show you great cars that haven't been driven a foot since they were built, and yet have won literally tons of awards and tropies.

We have a word for them..."trailer queens."

Eric
01-22-2007, 12:00 PM
And I can show you great cars that haven't been driven a foot since they were built, and yet have won literally tons of awards and tropies.

We have a word for them..."trailer queens."


Yes, but art is... well, art!

Disco Man
02-23-2007, 09:46 PM
Have to say the biggest flop for the 2006 model year was the Honda Ridgeline. The automotive press raved about it, but the buying public was lukewarm about the car and sales have been much lower than expectations. It appears Honda is now considering cancelling it.

http://www.soundoffaudio.com/images/honda-ridgeline.jpg

Jim Rose
02-24-2007, 01:22 AM
>>A Jaguar still looks better on a lift than most cars look on the road!<<

Jag engineers are still designing that in because of the reputation of old.

Eric
02-24-2007, 07:44 AM
"Have to say the biggest flop for the 2006 model year was the Honda Ridgeline. The automotive press raved about it, but the buying public was lukewarm about the car and sales have been much lower than expectations. It appears Honda is now considering cancelling it. "


The Ridgeline's definitely a contender!

I'd say it suffers from two main problems:

One, it's weird-looking. Same general disease that afflicted the Asstek. Not different - just ugly.

Two, it was marketed as a truck and should not have been. If Honda tried marketing it as a crossover with more capability than a traditional crossover, etc., it might have done better - and avoided comparison with "real" trucks - which never came out favorably...

Eric
02-24-2007, 07:45 AM
>>A Jaguar still looks better on a lift than most cars look on the road!<<

Jag engineers are still designing that in because of the reputation of old.


Here's to hoping they don't much muck it up! Benz and BMW used to make really good-looking cars; today, they're pimp-mobiles and a-hole wagons...

Jim Rose
02-24-2007, 11:12 AM
>>Benz and BMW used to make really good-looking cars; today, they're pimp-mobiles and a-hole wagons<<

They have to try to stay up with the Lexus---

Eric
02-24-2007, 11:20 AM
>>Benz and BMW used to make really good-looking cars; today, they're pimp-mobiles and a-hole wagons<<

They have to try to stay up with the Lexus---


Now you're sounding like Doug Hageman!

jdm124
02-24-2007, 02:55 PM
>>Benz and BMW used to make really good-looking cars; today, they're pimp-mobiles and a-hole wagons<<

They have to try to stay up with the Lexus---


Lexus is probably the best of the three when it comes to reliability - and in the NYC area are very popular as a-hole wagons.

mrblanche
02-24-2007, 03:37 PM
Have to say the biggest flop for the 2006 model year was the Honda Ridgeline. The automotive press raved about it, but the buying public was lukewarm about the car and sales have been much lower than expectations. It appears Honda is now considering cancelling it.



I guess they didn't study the Suburu Brat before they jumped into this?

Eric
02-24-2007, 06:31 PM
Have to say the biggest flop for the 2006 model year was the Honda Ridgeline. The automotive press raved about it, but the buying public was lukewarm about the car and sales have been much lower than expectations. It appears Honda is now considering cancelling it.



I guess they didn't study the Suburu Brat before they jumped into this?


I don't have the figs. on hand, but as I recall the Brat did ok for a few years before going away. I still see them around here every once in awhile, too!

mrblanche
02-24-2007, 10:03 PM
But the Brat's sales fell suddenly and precipitously, for no explained reason.

Jim Rose
02-25-2007, 02:52 AM
>>and in the NYC area are very popular as a-hole wagons. <<

That's not restricted to NYC---

Kwozzie1
02-25-2007, 06:20 AM
I guess they didn't study the Suburu Brat before they jumped into this?


Ah ...the Brumby in OZ and NZ.....still a few around....mainly with raised suspension to get around on the island (Feaser Island)

Eric
02-25-2007, 08:35 AM
But the Brat's sales fell suddenly and precipitously, for no explained reason.


That may have been due to the rear-facing jumpseats (safety! safety! what about the children??), etc. I dunno; it's been, what, 20 years since the Brat was last produced?

I liked them, myself. Fun, pretty useful... and those jump seats in the bed... now that's the ticket!

Kwozzie1
02-26-2007, 08:16 PM
That may have been due to the rear-facing jumpseats (safety! safety! what about the children??), etc. I dunno; it's been, what, 20 years since the Brat was last produced?

I liked them, myself. Fun, pretty useful... and those jump seats in the bed... now that's the ticket!


Yeah we gotta love those nannies looking after us. Read... Politicians grabbing votes!

Eric
02-27-2007, 04:37 AM
"Yeah we gotta love those nannies looking after us. Read... Politicians grabbing votes!"

I like this bumper sticker - a "take off" on a fundie/religious right/"mom" group:

"Focus on your OWN damn family!"

XRocketman1967
06-12-2007, 09:55 PM
Honda Accord Hybrid which I understand they are deep sixing.
I would have to agree with the Ridgeline. Ya have to think what was Honda thinking about or where they even thinking at all ::)
But my brother-n-law has a hankering to buy one. I don't know him well enough to say....... :P ;D

Eric
06-13-2007, 08:06 AM
Honda Accord Hybrid which I understand they are deep sixing.
I would have to agree with the Ridgeline. Ya have to think what was Honda thinking about or where they even thinking at all ::)
But my brother-n-law has a hankering to buy one. I don't know him well enough to say....... :P ;D



The Ridgeline's not half bad... if you don't need a truck! It can't tow, it can't really go off-road. But it is useful as a suburban go-to-Home-Depot for a couple bags of mulch (but not a pallet) kind of vehicle...

XRocketman1967
06-13-2007, 09:32 AM
Agree.........I call them a good VEHICLE for the URBAN COWBOY type....... ;D