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    A Thought-provoking & True email

    Here is a great email I received yesterday.

    Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 1:10 PM

    I know everyone has a different opinion on the war and our

    current President. But, this article makes a lot of sense,

    take 2 minutes, read it and give it some thought.



    When electing the next President, "the only decision

    you have to make is who you want sitting in that seat in

    the White House when - not if - WHEN we get hit again and

    millions of American lives are put at risk!"

    This is from: "You ain't gonna like losing."



    Author unknown.

    President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on

    terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to

    war in Iraq. Bush's mistake came in his belief that

    this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII.

    It is not.

    Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression.

    The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression,

    but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew

    that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the

    people's duty to back those leaders.

    Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together,

    rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they

    had voted for them or not or whether the war was going

    badly or not.

    And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as

    great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties

    in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war.

    But that did not matter. The people stuck with the

    President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans

    put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to

    win that war.

    Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old

    pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to

    gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school

    students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to

    help the effort.

    Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age

    or condition trying their best to join the military.

    Women doubled their work to keep things going at home.

    Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to

    butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.

    You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling

    the President. Interestingly enough in those days there

    were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to

    visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and

    complain to them about our President. Instead, they made

    upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the

    troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.

    And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the

    day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for

    our country and our troops!

    Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain

    weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to

    cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared

    complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A

    ! newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it

    had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being

    'tortured' by being forced to wear women's

    underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or

    being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.

    There were a lot of things different back then. We were not

    subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography,

    perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did

    not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed

    gangs roaming our streets.

    No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling

    of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we

    still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He

    ;believed that this was still the country that our fathers

    fought so dearly to preserve.

    It is not the same country. It is now a cross between

    Sodom and Gomorrah and the land of Oz. We did unite for a

    short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we

    found out that defending our country would require some

    sacrifices.

    We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic

    Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to

    kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been

    estimated that about one third or over three hundred

    million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...

    Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many

    potential recruits. So... We either win it - or lose it -

    and you ain't gonna like losing.

    America is not at war. The military is at war.

    America is at the mall, or watching the movie stars.

    (Remember Obama said in his book "Audacity of

    Hope", 'I will stand with the Muslims should the

    political winds shift in an ugly direction'.....what

    better place for the Muslins to control our country, than

    in the office of the President of USA . )

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    Re: A Thought-provoking & True email

    More thin gruel Chimp hagiography; I find it very interesting that someone who, ostensibly, loves freeeeeedom urges uncritical rallying 'round the Leader, who must be obeyed and even worshipped, no matter what.

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    And, to point it out again: The Pledge of Allegiance was crafted by a socialist - who created it to help indoctrinate Americans into slavish government worship.

    I weep for this country; the people are so ignorant, so addled they don't even know what "freedom" means anymore - let alone the true history of America, especially post 1861.

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    I am sure if somebody tracked down the source of this email it probably would have come directly from the RNC.

    True patriots don't blindly follow their leaders, ever. "Mistrust of the government is a good thing" - Thomas Jefferson.

    Funny how this email goes out at around the same time Dennis Kucinich, Bob Barr, etc. have presented their case last Friday at Bush Impeachment hearings in front of the House Judiciary Committee:




    Funny how this has been blocked out by most of the major media outlets.



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    One can listen to outrageous statements all day long on C-Span, but it doesn't make such posturing true. I remember one such talk from the floor of Congress where Rep. Rangel is making the bold statement of millions and millions of Blacks being tossed off of slave ships and the sharks are still swimming that route.

    True story? I think not. To start with those slaves were only worth money if they were delivered in good health, so millions and millions seems a stretch. Second, even though we don't know how long a shark lives it is a stretch that they are still following a path waiting for slave ships after 144 years. Even if they do communicate they would get bored or starve to death waiting.

    I would suggest that you quit swallowing every line you hear, and even it out by checking what both sides are saying. I would suggest Rush Limbaugh for a balance.

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    " I would suggest Rush Limbaugh for a balance."


    Hahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. You aren't serious... are you?

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    Re: A Thought-provoking & True email

    Quote Originally Posted by gail
    One can listen to outrageous statements all day long on C-Span, but it doesn't make such posturing true. I remember one such talk from the floor of Congress where Rep. Rangel is making the bold statement of millions and millions of Blacks being tossed off of slave ships and the sharks are still swimming that route.

    True story? I think not. To start with those slaves were only worth money if they were delivered in good health, so millions and millions seems a stretch. Second, even though we don't know how long a shark lives it is a stretch that they are still following a path waiting for slave ships after 144 years. Even if they do communicate they would get bored or starve to death waiting.

    I would suggest that you quit swallowing every line you hear, and even it out by checking what both sides are saying. I would suggest Rush Limbaugh for a balance.

    Rush Limbaugh only says what he says to stir people up so he can "charge usurous advertising rates" (his exact works when interviewed about conservative talk show hosts). The B.S. meter usually goes off the scale when someone talks about the "TRUTH". What it usually means is someone trying to convince you to believe what they do which is usually what makes them money.

    The more money to be made by outlawing something, the more likely it is to be outlawed. If you want to control prostitution for instance, make it legal and regulate the daylights out of it. Everybody will benefit but the preachers won't be able to rail about harlots as much. (I notice a lot of them get caught with them.) Make it legal and you won't see street walkers so kids won't have to walk past them on the way to school as you can require them to work in a brothel. The prositute will benefit by being quasi respectable and have some protection under the law. The customers will benefit as the workers will get regular health checks. The families of the customers will benfit from the customers not bringing diseases home. Society as a whole will benefit with the taxes and fees paid by the workers. Nevada did this years ago and prostitution isn't as big a problem there as it is elsewhere.

    The same goes for marijuana. When Dupont came out with Nylon and Rayon, hemp rope competed with it. Randolph Hearst was a friend of the Dupont family and a big investor in the chemical business. The Hearst papers also ran all sorts of stories about "killer weed" and "reefer madness". During WW2 when we needed all the hemp hawsers for ships, all of a sudden, it became legal again. Then, in the late 40's, back to illegal. The same goes for R-12 refrigerant in our older cars. Duponts patent expired so they got it outlawed and now R-134 is getting ready to go the same way.
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    "they don't even know what "freedom" means anymore -"


    I never did know. Still don't and never will.

    IMO, there are two very common words that are totally meaningless.

    They are:

    1. Freedom
    2. Love

    I don't think I have ever seen a time in my life where either of these two words meant anything at all, other than meaningless BS. Both sides of every war "love" their country as well "freedom".

    Here's such an example:

    "The Vietnamese people deeply love independence, freedom and peace. But in the face of United States aggression they have risen up, united as one man."
    --Ho Chi Minh


    -Don-



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    These terms have been rendered almost meaningless, I agree.

    It's hilarious - and sad - that the Sheeple of this country still celebrate the 4th of July (and their freeeeeeeeedom - ha!) notwithstanding that by the standards of the founding generation we suffer under a tyranny far worse than anything the British ever subjected the colonists to. Hell, we aren't even "free" to use real fireworks anymore in most states....

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    I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I live free. I go where I want to go, I do what I want to do. I am afraid of no man. There is a song in my heart for my country, and a love that goes so deep that I cannot find words to describe it. I do not know or understand the bitterness that I read about on these posts. Whatever could have cause you to lose your hope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gail
    I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I live free. I go where I want to go, I do what I want to do. I am afraid of no man. There is a song in my heart for my country, and a love that goes so deep that I cannot find words to describe it. I do not know or understand the bitterness that I read about on these posts. Whatever could have cause you to lose your hope?
    Hope has nothing to do with the reality that your "freedom" is strictly limited and wholly at the arbitrary discretion of government (and corporations) at virtually every meaningful level.

    And becoming more limited with each passing year.

    Tell me about your freeeeeeedom come April 15. The government forces you to provide details about every aspect of your finances; and takes whatever it wishes from you - at gunpoint. So free!

    Tell me all about your vaunted freeeeeeeedom when the government can tap your phone without warrant or probable cause - or even notification. Or scrutinize your web browsing habits. When it can arrest you without charging you - and hold you indefinitely, without access to a lawyer. Just "because."

    So freeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Tell me all about the freeeeeeeeedom you have at a sobriety checkpoint; whether to wear your seat belt or not - or to exercise your relgious beliefs and live you life as you see fit.

    Tell me again about the freeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom you have to travel without being compelled to produce ID and submit to an interrogation.

    How about your freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom to own property? Oh yeah, you never do really own it, do you? The minute you stop paying rent to the government (property taxes) your property will be confiscated. You are a glorified squatter - at best.

    Ah, freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedom! So long as I can wrap myself in the flag, clutch a bible and sing moronic songs, I must be freeeeeeeee!

    Seriously - can you factually rebut/dispute any of the above?

    You're either addled by some mental holograph of a free society that doesn't exist any longer - or just asleep at the wheel. Whatever freedoms we still enjoy are purely accidental - the lingering vapors of a long-gone era. They may be gone entirely tomorrow. All it will take is another 9/11 and the idiot Sheeple of this country will embrace an Americanized Fuhrer/Decider and surrender everything to him in order to "feel safe" and get "evildoers."













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    "I go where I want to go, I do what I want to do. "

    But at the speed you like during the 55 MPH daze? ;D

    I don't know about you, but I have been forced by our government to go where I didn't want to go (Vietnam for one example) and was forced to do things that I didn't want to do.

    "The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do."
    --Eric Hoffer


    And there are many things I may not do, such as marry Tom under federal laws. The government says I may only marry those who I am NOT at all compatible with.

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    "The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do."

    these questions can be easily answered if only we go back to the basic idea that each individual has the natural rights of life, liberty, and property (“your freedom ends where my nose begins”); nowhere in our Constitution is there a right to not be offended.


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    "nowhere in our Constitution is there a right to not be offended."

    What's that have to do with anything that I was saying?

    -Don-

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    "Whatever could have cause you to lose your hope?"

    Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's the little things - such as a government that openly claims the right to torture people, suspends habeaus corpus rights at whim.... retroactively immunizes itself from being held accountable for violating laws.... you know, stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    "Whatever could have cause you to lose your hope?"

    Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's the little things - such as a government that openly claims the right to torture people, suspends habeaus corpus rights at whim.... retroactively immunizes itself from being held accountable for violating laws.... you know, stuff like that.
    Has anything like this happened to you? Do you personally know anyone that these things has happened to? Spy and gangster stuff are just fairy tales as far as I'm concerned. Now the issue with the FLDS I feel is horrendous, and I have been writting letters to any and everyone that I believe might be able to give these people their personal and religious freedom back. Yet - - you have indicated that you believe that what the government is doing to this group of people is perfectly alright. Yet -- you believe that it is wrong to interrogate those who commit war crimes? What is wrong with this picture?

    Where am I and why am I in this basket?

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    Re: A Thought-provoking & True email

    Quote Originally Posted by gail
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    "Whatever could have cause you to lose your hope?"

    Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's the little things - such as a government that openly claims the right to torture people, suspends habeaus corpus rights at whim.... retroactively immunizes itself from being held accountable for violating laws.... you know, stuff like that.
    Has anything like this happened to you? Do you personally know anyone that these things has happened to? Spy and gangster stuff are just fairy tales as far as I'm concerned. Now the issue with the FLDS I feel is horrendous, and I have been writting letters to any and everyone that I believe might be able to give these people their personal and religious freedom back. Yet - - you have indicated that you believe that what the government is doing to this group of people is perfectly alright. Yet -- you believe that it is wrong to interrogate those who commit war crimes? What is wrong with this picture?

    Where am I and why am I in this basket?
    War crimes? Have any of these people been tried and convicted of war crimes? Even one of them?

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    "Has anything like this happened to you?"

    What a feeble response!

    So, I'm supposed to feel "hope" because these outrages haven't happened to me - yet? Don't you get it? The fact that it can happen to any of us means none of us are secure. That any American needs to be reminded of this deadly truth is cause for despair. This country truly is ready for a Decider far worse than the current one.

    " Spy and gangster stuff are just fairy tales as far as I'm concerned."

    What? These aren't "fairy tales," Gail. The Chimp has expressly asserted - and used - these unilateral, arbitrary, above the law powers. And used them against American citizens, too. Do you understand what testing the waters means? Do you really believe that such in principle unlimited, arbitrary power will only be used for good against "evildoers" and never turned on the innocent? Your implicit trust in the perfect goodness and infallibility of The Leader and the government is quite something. Sadly, it is a common mindset in these times.

    "Yet -- you believe that it is wrong to interrogate those who commit war crimes? "

    Stop using bullshit euphemisms. I do not believe in torturing American citizens - or even POWs.

    If you do, then you also must accept that other nations may torture our people - without repercussions or even condemnation. What's good for the goose.... .





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    " Yet -- you believe that it is wrong to interrogate those who commit war crimes? What is wrong with this picture?"

    Were you aware that under the Geneva Conventions, starting an unprovoked war of aggression is a "war crime"? And guess who did that.... .

    Hint: It wasn't Saddam. Or (soon) Ahmajinidad. What if China one day deeeecides that the United States ought not to be allowed "WMD" - and launches a pre-emptive war to that end? What possible argument can you trot out to say they can't or shouldn't do it? Or is the US the only country that is allowed to start pre-emptive wars and deeeeeecide who can and cannot acquire "WMD"?

    Also: It's a hanging offense under the same code to torture helpless prisoners. If the Allies strung up Nazi and Japanese personnel for so doing, why ought not US personnel such as The Chimp likewise face such repercussions?

    The blithe, ignorant, arrogant solipsistic hypocrisy of flag-waving "patriots" makes me sick.


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    Let's get real here, the "gentleman's war" was lost along time ago. The British lost to the Americans.

    If we can make treaties with other countries that benefit them and us, o.k., we don't have to go to war.]

    But if countries disagree they go to war. To expect a gentleman's war is naive and tiresome. Somebody is going to die, somebody is going to get hurt and somebody is going to loose.

    Just hope it is no the US of A. oops we may make a few mistakes in the process!!!

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