Reply With QuoteYou know, since Ted Kennedy is recovering from surgery for his brain tumor, he won't be in much of a position to propose anything.
2008 Democrat National Convention
Schedule of Events
7:00 PM. OPENING FLAG BURNING.
7:15 PM. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.
7:20 PM. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
7:25 PM. NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP - Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton. (Since writing both cancelled)
7:45 PM. CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING - Darryl Hannah.
7:55. PM Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
8:00 PM. HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET - Al Gore.
8:15 PM. GAY WEDDING PLANNING - Rosie O'Donnell.
8:35. PM Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
8:40 PM. OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS - John Kerry.
9.00 PM. MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS - Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon.
10:00 PM. ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE - Alec Baldwin.
11:00 PM. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
11:05 PM. COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND - Barbara Streisand.
11:15 PM. FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY - Sean Penn.
11:30 PM. OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS - William Jefferson Clinton.
11:45 PM. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
11:50 PM. HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS - Howard Dean
12:15 am. TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore.
12:25 am. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
12:30 am. SATELLITE ADDRESS - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
12:45 am. NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - Nancy Pelosi.
1:00 am. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
1:05 am. CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA.
1:30 am. Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST.
1:35 am. Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hilary home.
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You know, since Ted Kennedy is recovering from surgery for his brain tumor, he won't be in much of a position to propose anything.
Unfortunately one hundred years from now the dire jokes will go on about Senator Kennedy. This shows what one decision will do to one's life. He would have been president if this had not happened. He has shown amazing recovery abilities though to have been allowed to represent Massachusetts all of these years, so maybe he will recover from his present malady.Originally Posted by misterdecibel
He's generally regarded as terminal, even the surgery was expected to only have bought him a number of months.
This is about as tasteful as if someone had suggested wheeling out Ronald Reagan to drool on himself at the 2000 GOP convention.
Tasteful? No, I don't think Kennedy is tasteful. I think he is a disgrace to his family and this nation. Do I think his tumor is part of the Kennedy tragedy, I think he is a tragedy to his family. Who knows if the rest of the Kennedy family had as little morals as he does, most of them didn't live long enough. But rumors swirl around the family like rotting garbage. The father, Joseph Kennedy making his millions trafficking booze during the Prohibition, inmproprieties alluded to of JFK with Marilyn Monroe and others. They believed that they were above the law, but their gifted life has had dire consequences.
Jokes are constantly made about President Bush, who doesn't deserve the ire and disrespect that he receives, jokes will always be made about former President Clinton, regardless of what he had accomplished or ever will accomplish, nor whatever illness he develops. I remember a few when he had his heart attack and open-heart surgery. Some behavior is just so heinous that a person can never rid themselves of the stain.
I do not wish the man ill, I don't even wish Michael Moore or Barak Obama ill, but the jokes will continue with or without me. As far as I'm concern he is a sorry excuse for a man for his behavior in the Chappaquiddick incident, and it is beyond me of how or why people continued to re-elect him as a flaming liberal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
Profile in Cowardice
http://www.ytedk.com/chapter1.htm
"He has been utterly shameless, brazen and indifferent to what should be his internal conscience," says Howard Phillips, chairman of the Conservative Caucus. "People in public life have a responsibility to behave in a certain way that can be respected and emulated by children and ordinary citizens."
Without question, Kennedy likes to drink. During a two-hour stretch on a Lufthansa flight from Boston to West Germany in November, he downed two drinks of Scotch, two of vodka and, with dinner, three glasses of red wine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...emk092990b.htm
"Jokes are constantly made about President Bush, who doesn't deserve the ire and disrespect that he receives..."
Ted is responsible for one death. How many deaths is The Chimp responsible for?
Not a fair comparison. Besides you have wandered off the subject again.
Congress approved this war. Remember that. Congress has a lower rate as well. Only 17% of the people think that Congress is doing a good job and 29% think that Bush is. Bush didn't cause 9/11 and he didn't cause Katrina and he didn't piss in your Wheaties. So stop acting like he did.
Congress is culpable for being craven and for enabling The Chimp - but without The Chimp, no war in Iraq - no hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Americans, either.Not a fair comparison. Besides you have wandered off the subject again.
Congress approved this war. Remember that. Congress has a lower rate as well. Only 17% of the people think that Congress is doing a good job and 29% think that Bush is. Bush didn't cause 9/11 and he didn't cause Katrina and he didn't piss in your Wheaties. So stop acting like he did.
Your Chimp is an appalling, sickening, disastrous failure.... but you'll snuggle him all the close even so!
Congress is culpable for being craven and for enabling The Chimp
Craven, you use the word craven to describe Congress for voting for America to go to war. Craven to who? the American people? They wanted to go to war as much as anyone else did. Why does everyone else in your book get a pass but Bush?
5 to 10 years from now Iraq will be one of the most properous countries in the world and your words will sound like gibberish!
Without FDR there would have been no war. Without Truman no atomic bomb. Without LBJ no Vietnam. Get off this kick that there would be no war without Bush. The war was inevitable.Congress is culpable for being craven and for enabling The Chimp - but without The Chimp, no war in Iraq - no hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and thousands of dead Americans, either.Not a fair comparison. Besides you have wandered off the subject again.
Congress approved this war. Remember that. Congress has a lower rate as well. Only 17% of the people think that Congress is doing a good job and 29% think that Bush is. Bush didn't cause 9/11 and he didn't cause Katrina and he didn't piss in your Wheaties. So stop acting like he did.
Your Chimp is an appalling, sickening, disastrous failure.... but you'll snuggle him all the close even so!
"Craven, you use the word craven to describe Congress for voting for America to go to war. Craven to who?"
Craven for being bullied by Chimp BS about "WMD" and so on to attack a country that never threatened us and which had nothing whatsoever to do with 911.
"Why does everyone else in your book get a pass but Bush?"
Because it was The Chimp who strong-armed the country (and Congress) with his constant demagoguery and "no time to think about this, we must act!" nonsense. Because it was The Chimp who manipulated the country (and Congress) into transferring the (reasonable) desire to get the perpetrators of 911 to an unreasonable desire to attack Iraq by conflating the 911 attackers with Saddam Hussein and the Iraqis.
Thats why.
"5 to 10 years from now Iraq will be one of the most properous countries in the world and your words will sound like gibberish!"
You mean like, "Mission Accomplished"? Or maybe "Iraqi oil revenues will pay for the war"? Or "we'll be greeted as liberators"? Or maybe, "Iraq has reconstituted its nuclear weapons program"?
Spoken just like a Chimp PR flack.
That people still believe in such fairy tales isn't surprising, though. It's a curious mix of gullibility and determination to make reality conform to one's political views - no matter how far those views are from reality.
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Priceless! I couldn't have done it better myself. ;D
Because it was The Chimp who strong-armed the country (and Congress) with his constant demagoguery and "no time to think about this, we must act!"
You are showing your naivete!
Most of the Senators and Congressmen/women held their respective offices for decades before Bush ever took office and will hold them long after Bush is gone.
Grow up and put it in its correct perspective!
"Most of the Senators and Congressmen/women held their respective offices for decades before Bush ever took office and will hold them long after Bush is gone."
What in the world does the tenure of congressmen and senators have to do with whether The Chimp launched a massive PR blitz to gain support for an invasion of Iraq - an invasion that wasn't even on the table before The Chimp used 9/11 to manufacture a "cause" by constantly equating the 911 attacks and al Qaeda with Iraq and Saddam?
These are the facts. Neither "naivete" no "growing up" have any bearing on them.
Let's see if we can put it in elementary terms. We have 3 branches of Government which have separate but equal powers.
Within those separate but equal powers there is what they call the "The War Powers Act", which only Congress can approve.
Now you are saying that Bush bullied these 540 elected officials into voting to go to war by "manufacturing a "cause".
There tenure is important such as Joseph Biden who is the Chairman of the Intelligence committee and has been for years who also voted to go to war against Iraq you think he was "bullied". These representatives and we are not talking junior senators or congressmen/women could not or would not be bullied into anything. They relied on intelligence presented by prior presidents and other intelligence agencies "outside" of the United States and made their minds up of their own free will.
Your naivete shows when you for one moment give them a pass on their vote and place all the blame on Bush. They are the culpable ones, and if you want to continue to pass blame on Bush then your youth is apparent
"Within those separate but equal powers there is what they call the "The War Powers Act", which only Congress can approve."
Like your mom, you're so obviously out of your depth you really ought to quit while you're behind.
Your statement is unintelligible, for openers. Congress can "only approve" the War Powers Act? Really? I thought legislation was only approved once.
But I am guessing that what your were trying to articulate was that our Constitution gives Congress power to declare war. True. But (a) this has been ignored routinely (de facto, at any rate) since the Vietnam era and (b) no one is disputing that Congress went along with The Chimp or that Congress hasn't got the statutory power to declare war - or that Congress didn't support this war (it did, obviously).
The point is that The Chimp manufactured the war hysteria that got us into Iraq by creating an environment (via his relentless association of 911 with Iraq and the over-hyped "threat" Iraq supposedly posed) in which few elected officials dared to raise a hand in question - let alone vote against going to war.
After all, that would mean they were "with them," and clearly "enemies of freedom." (The same bully tactics were used to ram through the so-called "Patriot" Act - before virtually anyone in Congress even had a chance to read the damn thing.)
But I am guessing that what your were trying to articulate was that our Constitution gives Congress power to declare war. True. But (a) this has been ignored routinely (de facto, at any rate) since the Vietnam era and (b) no one is disputing that Congress went along with The Chimp or that Congress hasn't got the statutory power to declare war - or that Congress didn't support this war (it did, obviously).
Well now that you have written it so that your testerone laden and possibly other testerone laden cronies can understand what I was saying, you still give Congress a pass.
Which I find reprehensible, to even think, remotely assume or even belabor the idea that Congress did not fully understand, agree and or capitulate to going to war in Iraq is beyond my comprehension.
Congress and all the powers that be knew and know that the United States or the Federal Reserve needs control over the oil to prop up the dollar, the lie was perpertrated by all, to sell it to the American people. Just like Clinton lied when he told the American people that we were going in on a humanitarian mission in Somalia. The American people believed it back then, even though we were sending our Red Berets', even though if anyone looked on the map they could see the waterway through Iraq and Iran. If we had gotten our foothold in Somalia there never would have been an Iraq war. We could have controlled the region from Somalia, but that failed. But nobody looks at the writing on the wall. But this is how it done, find the best "snowball" tactics and sell it to the American people so that the ultimate goal can be attained. This has been going on since Lincoln, hell people thought Lincoln was trying to free the slaves and many still think that was what the Civil War was about
"Well now that you have written it so that your testerone laden and possibly other testerone laden cronies can understand what I was saying, you still give Congress a pass."
I did not "give Congress a pass." Try to read each word real slow and careful-like, ok?
I wrote that Congress is craven and culpable for allowing itself to be cowed by The Chimp and his demagoguery. But that in no way exonerates The Chimp for initiating the whole process of events that led to war with Iraq. Invading Iraq was The Chimp's doing; Congress merely acquiesced.
"Which I find reprehensible, to even think, remotely assume or even belabor the idea that Congress did not fully understand, agree and or capitulate to going to war in Iraq is beyond my comprehension."
Oh, they understood all right. They understood that to even question this overbearing load of a president we have would have unleashed a shit storm of "surrender monkey/soft on terrah/must be with them" strong-arm tactics. So they caved. Same thing happened with the so-called "Patriot" Act - which The Chimp demanded be approved before anyone could even read the thing.
Same thing happened with the so-called "Patriot" Act - which The Chimp demanded be approved before anyone could even read the thing.
You give congress a pass when you somehow bestow upon President Bush as having this godlike power to mesmerize congress through "strong- arm tactics" or some fear of losing their constituency or powers to act as an independent branch of the government thus rendering them incapable of making sound decisions irrespective of whoever the President of the United States is.
Most Americans were satisfied with bombing Afghanistan and going after the Taliban, hell most of Americans didn't even know that the Middle East hated us let alone there were Islamic jihadists that wanted to destroy western civilization so their 13 prophet could return.
So to use the argument that they caved in because "They understood that to even question this overbearing load of a president we have would have unleashed a shit storm of "surrender monkey/soft on terrah/must be with them" strong-arm tactics. And to say that the same thing happened with the so-called Patriot Act, is ridiculous most Americans don't even know what it is and what all it entails.
These Senators and Representatives have a duty to explain what is going on and when they choose to vote without explaining to their constituents they are as guilty as if they pulled the first trigger.
Bush is not that "powerful" or such a great "orator," that you seem to bestow upon him. This was a concerted effort perpetrated by the powers that be the IMF/World Bank and the Federal Reserve Bank, no conspiracy theory here, check who has funded this endeavor.
Blame Bush all you want, he was only following marching orders, like everyone else.
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