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    I've had an idea about GM, et al

    I am a liberterian, free market kind of guy, but I've realized something...

    If the CEO of GM, who is an independently choosen guy, by the GM shareholders, who receives about $8,000/hr ( at $16 million a year ), and his decisions screw up our economy - then maybe we don't have a free market system as we were lead to believe!

    What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dBrong View Post
    I am a liberterian, free market kind of guy, but I've realized something...

    If the CEO of GM, who is an independently choosen guy, by the GM shareholders, who receives about $8,000/hr ( at $16 million a year ), and his decisions screw up our economy - then maybe we don't have a free market system as we were lead to believe!

    What do you guys think?
    I, too, am a free market guy - in principle. But we don't have - and haven't had - anything remotely approximating a free market in this country for more than 100 years now.

    However, the corporatist-statists Republicans have done a great job selling the system of organized favoritism, privilege and plunder that we do have as a freeeeeee market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I, too, am a free market guy - in principle. But we don't have - and haven't had - anything remotely approximating a free market in this country for more than 100 years now.

    However, the corporatist-statists Republicans have done a great job selling the system of organized favoritism, privilege and plunder that we do have as a freeeeeee market.
    Well said! They have also been complicit in the more socialistic Democrat regualtions that strangle our way of life and freedoms. For example, auto eeeeemisssions laws and saaaafety regulations make it so that you have to jump through conflicting, technological hoops to build an automobile. In addition, our gasoline regualtions do the same on the oil side of things.

    This whole book is written to screw the average american who is simply trying to get by and make a living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    Well said! They have also been complicit in the more socialistic Democrat regualtions that strangle our way of life and freedoms. For example, auto eeeeemisssions laws and saaaafety regulations make it so that you have to jump through conflicting, technological hoops to build an automobile. In addition, our gasoline regualtions do the same on the oil side of things.

    This whole book is written to screw the average american who is simply trying to get by and make a living.
    Exactly.

    Notice, also, how the freeeeeeeee market GOP types whine and bitch about "welfare" and "excessive spending" - when it involves ordinary Americans - but never fail to leg-hump any and all government spending on the military-security complex, aid to Israel, etc., as "vital" and "essential" - no matter how profligate, corrupt or pointless it may be. (That is, beyond enriching the politically connected oleaginous shysters - such as Dick Cheney & Haliburton - who get the no-bid contracts and billion-dollar paydays).

    Mind you, I'm not saying I support welfare. I'm just sick of the double standard that portrays some poor, desperate shithead in a run-down trailer in West Virgina who gets his $500 per month welfare/food stamps as an egregious drain on society - while there's no indignation whatsoever about the routine/daily pouring of millions - or even billions! - down the gullets of business-suited assholes who have "pull" in Washington.

    I'm not a fan, for example, of the principle of government-provided health care. But, Jesus fucking Christ, there is something foul and noxious about throwing billions at the useless eaters in Iraq while millions of average Americans can't afford to see a doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Exactly.

    Notice, also, how the freeeeeeeee market GOP types whine and bitch about "welfare" and "excessive spending" - when it involves ordinary Americans - but never fail to leg-hump any and all government spending on the military-security complex, aid to Israel, etc., as "vital" and "essential" - no matter how profligate, corrupt or pointless it may be. (That is, beyond enriching the politically connected oleaginous shysters - such as Dick Cheney & Haliburton - who get the no-bid contracts and billion-dollar paydays).

    Mind you, I'm not saying I support welfare. I'm just sick of the double standard that portrays some poor, desperate shithead in a run-down trailer in West Virgina who gets his $500 per month welfare/food stamps as an egregious drain on society - while there's no indignation whatsoever about the routine/daily pouring of millions - or even billions! - down the gullets of business-suited assholes who have "pull" in Washington.

    I'm not a fan, for example, of the principle of government-provided health care. But, Jesus fucking Christ, there is something foul and noxious about throwing billions at the useless eaters in Iraq while millions of average Americans can't afford to see a doctor.
    Very true. AFDC spending and food stamps are a minor blip on the radar screen as part of the federal budget. Social security disability payment, which most of those trailer park people get, are a more serious part of the budget, although they pale in comparison with what the banks and insurance companies are getting from our federal trough.

    Given the desperate unemployment situation that we have been facing since the early 1990's, I can completely understand why some people are getting phony doctors excuses for collecting disability payments and the like. I don't necessarily like it, but lets face it, the government created this situation in the first place, both Republicans and Demoncats. If these people were in the workforce, wage levels would undoubtedly be even lower than they are.

    As a former Republican, I don't begrudge anyone what they can feasibly get. I don't buy the "welfare" recipients are all cheats mantra either. I am sick of the whole system. You can't "get a job" if there are no jobs. I bet 99 percent of the people would rather have a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    Very true. AFDC spending and food stamps are a minor blip on the radar screen as part of the federal budget. Social security disability payment, which most of those trailer park people get, are a more serious part of the budget, although they pale in comparison with what the banks and insurance companies are getting from our federal trough.

    Given the desperate unemployment situation that we have been facing since the early 1990's, I can completely understand why some people are getting phony doctors excuses for collecting disability payments and the like. I don't necessarily like it, but lets face it, the government created this situation in the first place, both Republicans and Demoncats. If these people were in the workforce, wage levels would undoubtedly be even lower than they are.

    As a former Republican, I don't begrudge anyone what they can feasibly get. I don't buy the "welfare" recipients are all cheats mantra either. I am sick of the whole system. You can't "get a job" if there are no jobs. I bet 99 percent of the people would rather have a job.
    Absolutely.

    I can tell you that if we had not moved out of NoVa back in '04 (before the housing bubble burst) and hadn't used the money to buy - and pay off - our current house (and put some other money aside), we'd be in a real spot right now, too.

    My paid work is going away, along with the collapsing auto (and publishing) industry. I fully expect the U.S. automakers to be out of business before 2010 - and the rest of the economy to get much worse along with it.

    I feel grateful and very fortunate to be in the position I am in - and at the same time, I fully appreciate what might have happened to us (and still could), through no fault of our own. That realization has made me enormously sympathetic to others not so fortunate - and turned me off, big time, to the GOP's freeeeeee market swill.

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    I used to be a Republican free trader until about 1992, when I found out what the whole thing was about. I stopped buying the freeeeeee market swill sometime around that time as well. I started buying exclusively American when I could. A lot of good that really did. Unfortunately too many working stiffs were not strong willed enough to do without rather than buying as much chinese made crap as they did.

    I am not sure what the future holds as far as the car industry goes, but I think that you might be right. I think that Ford will probably be the last one standing, provided their suppliers don't go out of business along with the other 1.8 makers.

    I always found it quite dangerous when automakers decided to rely on their suppliers rather than building their own parts in house as they did for many years before.

    I, too think that the economy is in for a collapse as well. To what degree, I don't know. I don't think I will survive it unless I win the lottery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    I bet 99 percent of the people would rather have a job.
    But how many of those habitually jobless entitlement recipients would be willing to make the compromises in their lifestyle necessary to become employable? It would require speaking standard english, not smoking crack or pot, sleeping at night, and being accountable for one's actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdecibel View Post
    But how many of those habitually jobless entitlement recipients would be willing to make the compromises in their lifestyle necessary to become employable? It would require speaking standard english, not smoking crack or pot, sleeping at night, and being accountable for one's actions.
    Maybe not too many, but I don't think that they are a large portion of the population at large nor do I believe that they are a large part of AFDC or SSI recipients.

    I think that they pose a lot less threat to society collectively than do politicians or corporate CEO's who continue to rape the American worker on a daily basis.


    I am not sympathetic with society's parasites, however, I think that those occur at all rungs of the economic and social ladder. I think that we ought to fry the politicians first. Then go after the corporate CEOs who continue to ship jobs overseas. Perhaps if jobs were more plentiful, fewer people would elect to seek government support.

    Government welfare amounts to a very small slice of the federal budget, and therefore, our problem. Let's focus on getting jobs back in the USA (if ever possible). More jobs, better pay, will solve a lot of the problems we are facing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    Maybe not too many, but I don't think that they are a large portion of the population at large nor do I believe that they are a large part of AFDC or SSI recipients.

    I think that they pose a lot less threat to society collectively than do politicians or corporate CEO's who continue to rape the American worker on a daily basis.


    I am not sympathetic with society's parasites, however, I think that those occur at all rungs of the economic and social ladder. I think that we ought to fry the politicians first. Then go after the corporate CEOs who continue to ship jobs overseas. Perhaps if jobs were more plentiful, fewer people would elect to seek government support.

    Government welfare amounts to a very small slice of the federal budget, and therefore, our problem. Let's focus on getting jobs back in the USA (if ever possible). More jobs, better pay, will solve a lot of the problems we are facing.
    Yes- and keep in mind, it is politicians who make parasitism (all levels) possible. They are the ones who use the force of government to extract money from taxpayers to enrich their political supporters, cronies and so on.

    Government is organized corruption - even in the best of worlds.

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