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    It is beginning... !

    AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

    An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall -- one of three tea parties he was attending across the state -- that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.

    Perry repeated his running theme that Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states and with the "federal budget mess." Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package.

    Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union, though he said he sees no reason why Texas should do that.

    "There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."

    He said when Texas entered the union in 1845 it was with the understanding it could pull out. However, according to the Texas State Library and Archives Commission, Texas negotiated the power to divide into four additional states at some point if it wanted to but not the right to secede.

    Texas did secede in 1861, but the North's victory in the Civil War put an end to that.

    Perry is running for re-election against U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, a fellow Republican. His anti-Washington remarks have become more strident the past few weeks as that 2010 race gets going and since Perry rejected $550 million in federal economic stimulus money slated to help Texas' unemployment trust fund.

    Perry said the stimulus money would come with strings attached that would leave Texas paying the bill once the federal money ran out.

    South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, also Republicans, have been outspoken against the federal economic stimulus spending and were supportive of tea parties in their states. The protests were being held throughout the country on federal income tax deadline day to imitate the original Boston Tea Party of American revolutionary times.

    In an appearance at the Texas Capitol last week, Perry joined state lawmakers in pushing a resolution that supports states' rights protected in the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. He said the federal government has become oppressive in its size and interference with states.

    Since then, Perry has been featured on the online Drudge Report, and other conservative commentators and citizens have latched on to his words.

    After praising veterans in the cheering crowd Wednesday, he said: "I'm just not real sure you're a bunch of right-wing extremists. But if you are, we're with you."

    Perry said he believes he could be at the center of a national movement that is coordinated and focused in its opposition to the actions of the federal government.

    "It's a very organic thing," he said. "It is a very powerful moment, I think, in American history."

    For her part, Hutchison issued a newspaper opinion piece Wednesday criticizing the Democratic-led Congress for spending on the stimulus bill and the $1 trillion appropriations bill.

    "On April 15 -- Tax Day -- some in Congress may need a reminder of just who is underwriting this spending: the American taxpayer. I am deeply concerned over the swelling tax burden that will be imposed on all Texas families," she wrote.

    The crowd at the Austin tea party appeared to be decidedly anti-Democrat. Many of the speakers were Republicans and Libertarians.

    One placard said, "Stop Obama's Socialism." Another read, "Some Pirates Are in America," and it showed photographs of Obama, U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid wearing pirate hats.

    Rebecca Knowlton, 45, of Smithville, said she took the day off of home-schooling her three children and brought them to the rally to teach them about civic duty. Knowlton, a critic of the Social Security system and the United Nations, said she felt camaraderie at the demonstration.

    "The movement is growing stronger," she said. "You're not alone."

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    This is somewhat encouraging. We are getting some idea of numbers here. I am not a fan of Rick Perry, but he is definitely making the right noises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    This is somewhat encouraging. We are getting some idea of numbers here. I am not a fan of Rick Perry, but he is definitely making the right noises.
    I'm not a politician by nature but I would like to help get something going here in Virginia. It really is incumbent upon us to do something if we want real change for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I'm not a politician by nature but I would like to help get something going here in Virginia. It really is incumbent upon us to do something if we want real change for the better.
    Did you go to any of those tea parties? While they seemed contrived, I met a couple of people there who knew exactly what was going on. It seems also that many know there is something drastically wrong. It seems like you might be able to get something started with those folks.

    Campaign for liberty folks and others may be interested, too.

    Now is the time to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat View Post
    Did you go to any of those tea parties? While they seemed contrived, I met a couple of people there who knew exactly what was going on. It seems also that many know there is something drastically wrong. It seems like you might be able to get something started with those folks.

    Campaign for liberty folks and others may be interested, too.

    Now is the time to start.
    Agreed!

    I live in a very small (on stoplight, literally) town and have been trying to get some of my local friends organized - or at least discussing these issues and what might be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Agreed!

    I live in a very small (on stoplight, literally) town and have been trying to get some of my local friends organized - or at least discussing these issues and what might be done.
    There is an organization called americanpreppers.org. They are mainly a blog of people interested in self sufficiency. Some of the preparation looks absolutely doable. Some of it is a stretch for me at this point....

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    IMO, a lot of the new tea-party types (I simply cannot use the word "teabagger" in polite company -- look it up on urbandictionary.com) are neocons in libertarian clothing.

    They've seen an issue that has some support and have decided it's something they can use to oppose the current administration. There's no principle involved -- it's opportunism.

    "Hey, we're against Democratic big spenders!" (we want to be the ones spending big instead of them)

    Chip H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph View Post
    IMO, a lot of the new tea-party types (I simply cannot use the word "teabagger" in polite company -- look it up on urbandictionary.com) are neocons in libertarian clothing.

    They've seen an issue that has some support and have decided it's something they can use to oppose the current administration. There's no principle involved -- it's opportunism.

    "Hey, we're against Democratic big spenders!" (we want to be the ones spending big instead of them)

    Chip H.
    Yeah. Anything involved with the Republican Party is a non-starter for me. And with regard to taxes, it's an important but secondary/peripheral issue - by which I mean that effective opposition to the omnipotent state must be based on more than kvetching about taaaaaaxes like some seedy old peddler.

    The question at hand is much broader, much deeper - much more basic.

    What is a nation? What is the proper role of government in relation to the people - and the limits of its lawful authority?

    The GOP is nothing more than a front man for the financialization/commodification of America. The only thing it cares about is money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph View Post
    IMO, a lot of the new tea-party types (I simply cannot use the word "teabagger" in polite company -- look it up on urbandictionary.com) are neocons in libertarian clothing.

    They've seen an issue that has some support and have decided it's something they can use to oppose the current administration. There's no principle involved -- it's opportunism.

    "Hey, we're against Democratic big spenders!" (we want to be the ones spending big instead of them)

    Chip H.
    I couldn't agree more. It makes me sick how these chameleons have slithered into a legitimate issue. They will seduce the rank and file with their flaaaaag humping and their pseudo religiosity into votes for pallid, pseudo conservative candidates like Huckabee, Grinch, and many other traitors who could care less about real liberty.

    With the help of Bush Limpaugh, they will again marganilize real liberty minded people as KOOKs and extremists. These termites will keep knawing at what's left of the foundation of liberty until its all gone.

    There were a few knowlegable individuals at the tea party and a few had the campaign for liberty leaflets, but most mainstream Republicans were speaking at the event, boring most people to death. If it were my tea party, the politicians would have not been allowed to speak. They work for us in the words of old Ross Perot.

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