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    Tea Party - What I Saw

    I went to my first Tea Party rally yesterday.

    What drove me to attend was my opposition to the constantly increasing growth of government at all levels as well as my belief that both major parties represent more government, not less.

    Anyhow, some thoughts:

    * Several speakers made the mistake (my opinion) of criticizing Obamacare as an example of "socialism." But the use of the state's police power to force people to pay money to a private, for-profit business is not socialism. It it is fascism - by definition. In fact, much of what the federal government does/imposes on us is fascistic more than socialistic (the recent Supreme Court decision affirming corporate "personhood" and "free speech rights," for example; and the use of terms such as "Homeland Security" and "Patriot" Act - not to mention the actual contents of these acts).

    There was very little criticism of current U.S. militarism and empire-seeking (both of which also have fascist undertones).

    Indeed, the Tea Party rank and file, based on the T-shirts I saw, appears to be very much of the "support the troops" GOP type. But the warfare state is as incompatible with liberty (both personal and economic) as is the welfare state.

    Unfortunately, I don't think the Tea Party wants to touch this hot potato.

    A telling moment came when one speaker actually said something negative about the disastrous tenure of George W. Bush, calling it - correctly - a "dictatorship" (let's not forget the gutting of 4th Amendment and other former Bill of Rights protections in the name of "security" and the assertion of essentially unchecked and unilateral "war president" powers, etc.) which resulted in a moment of awkward silence, with the crowd clearly uneasy about the statement.

    I have little doubt that had I worn one of my "I'm the Decider!" anti-Bush T-shirts I would not have been welcome at the rally.

    Also: Out of the blue, toward the start of the rally - the crowd was suddenly made to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Like well-trained statists, the entire crowd fell into line.

    I doubt one out of 100 present knows the origin of the Pledge (look into it, if you don't) or has thought much about the irony of "pledging allegiance" "to the flag" (that is, the symbol of government authority) at a rally ostensibly devoted to the advocacy of individual rights and limited government.

    This was just one of many symptoms evident of what I like to call Flag Humping (i.e., veneration of the state, the symbols thereof and, of course, the military and soldiery in general).

    Abe Lincoln - the man who destroyed the original republic in order to establish unlimited-in-principle (and fact) federal supremacy and who waged a genocidal war against the southern states (including the deliberate targeting of the civilian population by the psychopathic William T. Sherman) and who was a shill for corporate railroad interests - was mentioned.

    Approvingly.

    Several speakers spoke of "running it (government) like a business." But government is not a business and shouldn't be in the business of anything except ensuring that individual rights are respected and the rule of law maintained. No speaker said anything directly about the legitimacy of government taking money (and rights) from some in order to "help"others.

    If Big Government is only bad when it is wielded by the Left, then the Right has no principled basis for objecting to Big Government as such. And if the Tea Party represents the political Right (that is, statism for the benefit of a powerful government, empire, etc., as opposed to statism for the benefit of "the poor," etc. ) then it is doomed for that reason, since you can't defend a principle you've already conceded.

    No mention was made of the immigration issue; or rather of the danger presented by a literal flood of Third Worlders into the United States. I suspect the Tea Party leadership is intimidated by the catcalls of "racism" coming from its opponents. Again, very much like the GOP, the Tea Party seems terrified of dealing with an issue that is central to the problems we face. And that is the changing racial/ethnic makeup of the country and the social/political implications of this.

    Indeed, at the rally I attended in Roanoke, Va., one of the speakers was a young black woman from The Frederick Douglass Society (I had never heard of this group). She seemed well-intended and sincere. But the hard-boiled fact is that blacks overwhelmingly support Obama and the political left.

    I don't argue that blacks should be excluded from Tea Party events. I am arguing that is crazy to pretend that blacks don't support statism by enormous margins (as do Mexican and Central/South American "immigrants") and that it is unlikely in the extreme that this will ever change.

    The GOP notion that America is a "propositional nation" and its disastrous corollary that race/culture is irrelevant (when it's clearly not) has leached deeply into the consciousness of Tea Party People. Like the GOP, they seem terrified of challenging any of the fashionable PC orthodoxies (and idiocies) that amount to national hari-kari. Do they really believe that, say, Somali immigrants are interested in George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the legacy of all those Dead White Men?

    * Next, there was a lot of "god talk."

    As a Libertarian, this made me uncomfortable as well. I came to the rally to hear about what we can do to get the government off our backs and the parasites out of our pockets.

    I didn't come to praise His Name - or be made to feel I should at least be pretending to. Religion should be left at home and kept private, but the thing about modern evangelical Christianity is that it's well, evangelical. The good news must be spread. Even when it's utterly beside the point and probably alienates a lot of people who might otherwise be simpatico.

    As with the Flag Humping, the God Talk smelled a lot like the Republican Right to me - Of John McCain and Sarah Palin. Of corporatism and money-grubbing; "privatization" and the War on Terrah.

    And if that's what the Tea Party is brewing, I'm not interested.

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    The Tea Party got its start in the Libertarian arena, but was quickly co-opted by the NeoCons. So what you saw jibes with that.

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    The statistics that "Tea Party" supporters tout are of doubtful origin. They calim that 85% of the populace agrees with them but normal polling gives a rate of more like 27%. Professional pollsters have to keep their sampling fair or they will go out of business as who wants fake numbers to base their spending on?

    I have a problem with the current pledge of allegiance. In the 1950's, "under God" was added to offset those godless Communists. To me it's rather blasphemous to drag God into something to show how religious you are. These are the same people who used to say "Better dead than red" and now brag about being in a Red State.

    The Tea Party movement is just a way to suck money from the gullible to support greedy people. It's basically turned into a book sale trip for Sarah Palin.
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    " It's basically turned into a book sale trip for Sarah Palin."

    Yeah. I think you may be right about that - and it really turns me off.

    Sarah Palin is such an obvious fraud - another double-talking corporate hog-trougher and Big Government flag-humper. It depresses me that so many people buy into her schtick.

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    The Sarah Palin book tour is really raking in the cash for her PAC. However, she targeted 20 congressional races to gain Republican control of Congress. She hasn't given much money though. She must be planning something for herself. I wonder if a year or two down the road, it turns out she retires from politics and keeps the money for herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grouch View Post
    The Sarah Palin book tour is really raking in the cash for her PAC. However, she targeted 20 congressional races to gain Republican control of Congress. She hasn't given much money though. She must be planning something for herself. I wonder if a year or two down the road, it turns out she retires from politics and keeps the money for herself.
    She might. Being rich was always clearly one of her goals. But usually, with that comes a lust for power - and she appears to have that, too.

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