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    Is there any rational basis...

    ..for believing anything about this idea of a supernatural being?

    Everything people say about this being - "god" - amounts to unprovable assertions, slippery generalizations and what arguably amounts to wishful thinking, given the absolute absence of anything more solid than "I believe" or "it is written" to support it.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    ..for believing anything about this idea of a supernatural being?

    Everything people say about this being - "god" - amounts to unprovable assertions, slippery generalizations and what arguably amounts to wishful thinking, given the absolute absence of anything more solid than "I believe" or "it is written" to support it.

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    Believing in any religion whatsoever is irrational.
    To my knowledge, no concrete proof has ever been provided in support of a god, supreme or supernatural being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tcolby View Post
    Believing in any religion whatsoever is irrational.
    To my knowledge, no concrete proof has ever been provided in support of a god, supreme or supernatural being.
    Hell, I'd settle for for any proof at all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Hell, I'd settle for for any proof at all!
    This experiment would prove the nonexistance:

    Here's my proof:

    If you were born in Isreal you would be a jew.

    If you were born in Italy you would be a catholic.

    If you were born in India you would be a hindu.

    If you were born in Pakistan you would be a muslim.

    I believe this statistically shows that religious belief is simply a product of your enviornment.

    Need I continue?

    PS: Jesus is commin' and man is he pissed

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    Quote Originally Posted by dBrong View Post
    This experiment would prove the nonexistance:

    Here's my proof:

    If you were born in Isreal you would be a jew.

    If you were born in Italy you would be a catholic.

    If you were born in India you would be a hindu.

    If you were born in Pakistan you would be a muslim.

    I believe this statistically shows that religious belief is simply a product of your enviornment.

    Need I continue?

    PS: Jesus is commin' and man is he pissed
    Yep, that's a pretty devastating (and common sense) objection to the ridiculous presumption that every major religion has: The claim to being the "one true faith" and a beeline to the deity.

    There's also the almost child-like (no wait, it is child-like) anthropomorphism that pervades all the major (Abrahamic, anyhow) religions.

    A sort of divine paterfamilias who lords it over his not-so-bright "children," who demands submission to his authority, including his often arbitrary edicts ... just "because."

    Big Daddy also gets vengeful and jealous; he likes to copulate with "the daughters of man" and takes a keen interest in their sexual activities. He likes the smell of burnt offerings and... well, you get the idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    There's also the almost child-like (no wait, it is child-like) anthropomorphism that pervades all the major (Abrahamic, anyhow) religions.

    A sort of divine paterfamilias who lords it over his not-so-bright "children," who demands submission to his authority, including his often arbitrary edicts ... just "because."
    There is this ad trailer on your web site...

    http://www.thegodmovie.com/?gclid=CO...FQkXawodpTij9g

    As I was reading through the advert I saw a mention:

    Alan Dundes, Professor of Folklore at the University of California at Berkeley.
    I thought yeah, folklore! It's simple and wraps it all in a nutshell.

    However be warned - I have heard through prayer that Godzilla will soon come fix the gulf oil leak!

    Many times god will talk to me, via my pet turtle.

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    If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdecibel View Post
    If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?
    Possibly because he was the olden day version of the stand up comic who loves to laugh at his own jokes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdecibel View Post
    If there's any truth to this God business, why did he stop revealing himself to people 2000 years ago, leaving us at the mercy of priests and holy books?

    Don't confuse the issue by asking reasonable, rational questions!

    Just beeeeeeeelieve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Don't confuse the issue by asking reasonable, rational questions!

    Just beeeeeeeelieve in the Invisible Pink Unicorn...
    That's it folks, the IPU rules.

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    Wouldn't it be awesome if mankind evolved passed all this? Where people didn't judge each other on their beliefs? I think religion is manipulated at times to control people or sanction dastardly deeds. While I am religious I do not believe more then going to church on Sunday and doing a daily prayer. Now I ask ou this what about the Bible and Koran were these made up? Who could spend so much time making these up? The Bible and Koran have many great moral teachings and is the guide for billions. Are the characters described in these books made up? Ask your self these questions first and please do not worship false gods a grave sin indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Wouldn't it be awesome if mankind evolved passed all this? Where people didn't judge each other on their beliefs? I think religion is manipulated at times to control people or sanction dastardly deeds. While I am religious I do not believe more then going to church on Sunday and doing a daily prayer. Now I ask ou this what about the Bible and Koran were these made up? Who could spend so much time making these up? The Bible and Koran have many great moral teachings and is the guide for billions. Are the characters described in these books made up? Ask your self these questions first and please do not worship false gods a grave sin indeed.
    Well, it depends on what you mean.

    These holy books are the product of multiple authors, re-written, edited and "interpreted" countless times over hundreds, even thousands of years. The original authors were primitive people living in primitive times and had a superstitious, "magical thinking" way of looking at and interpreting the world around them. If the sun went away in the evening, only fervent prayer could assure its return the next day. Etc.

    Most of it is story-telling, no different than Aesop's fables - only the religious expect their fables to be taken as literally true.

    But the fact that "it is written" no more makes it true (let alone "holy") than my saying "just because."

    In fact, both amount to the same thing.

    This is self-evident to me; a simple deduction based on the facts at hand. People - millions of them, unfortunately - believe otherwise. Often fervently - and even violently.

    But that doesn't make their belief any more respectable than the belief of the nut on the street who tells you Napoleon is whispering in his ear or that we should repent and shed our containers because the comet/mother ship is here to pick us up.

    Right?

    I absolutely believe it's ok to judge people on their beliefs - and am betting you do, too!

    Or do you believe I shouldn't judge, say, a mass-murderer (or simply a local bully) on account of his beliefs?

    Etc.

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