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    Another Palin gem

    You guys catch this?

    A "tweet" (ugh) from Palin: "Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."

    It's white ebonics; a crippled-up exposition of vacuity. The woman grates not so much because she's so paralyzingly ignorant but because she actually thinks she's brilliant. As do her followers.

    I'd almost rather listen to cRrap "music" than endure the sing-song imbecility of this greedhead grasper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    You guys catch this?

    A "tweet" (ugh) from Palin: "Ground Zero Mosque supporters: doesn't it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate."

    It's white ebonics; a crippled-up exposition of vacuity. The woman grates not so much because she's so paralyzingly ignorant but because she actually thinks she's brilliant. As do her followers.

    I'd almost rather listen to cRrap "music" than endure the sing-song imbecility of this greedhead grasper.
    Than why do you put up a post about her???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    Than why do you put up a post about her???
    Because I think it's critical to reveal to the world (especially to those who still don't get it) that she's a titanic ignoramus, in addition to being a neo-con shill for the corporatocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Because I think it's critical to reveal to the world (especially to those who still don't get it) that she's a titanic ignoramus, in addition to being a neo-con shill for the corporatocracy.

    what is that called, ummmmm, oh yeah, self appointed god!

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    Great, she's the new Warren G. Harding.

    This bimbo is a cruel joke on the American voter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    what is that called, ummmmm, oh yeah, self appointed god!
    I'm not following you.

    Is your problem with my pointing out what Palin says? Does criticizing her (or anyone else) imply the person critiquing thinks of himself as a "self-appointed god"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I'm not following you.

    Is your problem with my pointing out what Palin says? Does criticizing her (or anyone else) imply the person critiquing thinks of himself as a "self-appointed god"?
    Hm, I thought Colleen was calling Palin 'a self appointed god'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken View Post
    Hm, I thought Colleen was calling Palin 'a self appointed god'.

    Ken.
    I dunno - hopefully she'll clear it up for us!

    I find it amazing (and depressing) that ostensibly educated people even tolerate Palin.

    There was a time - not all that long ago - when her appeal would have been limited to the trailer park set. Americans (outside the trailer park, that is) once upon a time actually respected intelligence and were turned off by ignorant people, especially belligerent, self-righteous ignorant people like "Sarah."

    Unfortunately, the trailer park set now constitutes a large portion of the American electorate, courtesy of decades of dumbing-down (schools, culture, media) so that a creature such as Palin - a half-wit Elmer Gantry - can become a national figure.

    vox populi, vox dei!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I dunno - hopefully she'll clear it up for us!

    Unfortunately, the trailer park set now constitutes a large portion of the American electorate, courtesy of decades of dumbing-down (schools, culture, media) so that a creature such as Palin - a half-wit Elmer Gantry - can become a national figure.

    vox populi, vox dei!
    Yep! that is how we, over here, got lumbered with such similar non-entities as Tony B. Liar and Gorgon Brown and thirteen years of New Labour mis-management of our country.

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    Well Eric, the comment was not directed at you, just making an observation from her statments.

    But what I think about Sarah Palin is that too many people give her to much credit and too many people don't give her enough credit. She is no more out of her league than Nobama.

    Nobama is a great orator, he can make people believe he is saying something when really he has said nothing.

    People amaze me everyday at the credit and discredit that continually abounds towards politicians, the one thing that does ring true with Sarah Palin is how cozy she has been with the Republican Party. Something is very shady with that.

    Then the one guy I did like, Scott Brown, has seemed to be veering toward the establishment politicians, Does Washington DC just naturally corrupt seemingly good people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    Well Eric, the comment was not directed at you, just making an observation from her statments.

    But what I think about Sarah Palin is that too many people give her to much credit and too many people don't give her enough credit. She is no more out of her league than Nobama.

    Nobama is a great orator, he can make people believe he is saying something when really he has said nothing.

    People amaze me everyday at the credit and discredit that continually abounds towards politicians, the one thing that does ring true with Sarah Palin is how cozy she has been with the Republican Party. Something is very shady with that.

    Then the one guy I did like, Scott Brown, has seemed to be veering toward the establishment politicians, Does Washington DC just naturally corrupt seemingly good people?

    Well-said.

    The problem, fundamentally, is that "good people" aren't attracted to Washington (that is, to government) because good people aren't interested in wielding power over others, in using the government as an instrument of plunder, etc. Thus, government attracts grifters and demagogues; power-lusters and people who seek to live off of others by force. It's the very nature of the beast. To expect good people to crop up in Washington is a lot like expecting an honest Mafioso - or a "fair" street thug.

    Palin is dangerous because despite her vapidity, she (like Obama) conjures reverential, even fanatical support among her followers. She (like him) is adept at egging on these dupes.

    The GOP knows it has won elections (and near-blind support) in the past for its loathsome policies of corporate statism, authoritarianism and militarism by waving the flag and, talking about Jeebus and fambuhly values. The trailer park set laps this stuff up. And (unfortunately) the trailer park set is no longer a small, embarrassing minority. Its attitudes (and ignorance) are now a dominant strain in American politics.

    "Sarah" is their avatar. The white trash Obama. I will not be surprised if she is nominated in 2012 for just this reason.

    And it scares the bejeebus out of me!

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    I am not scared about Sarah Palin running, I am worried about the person we don't see coming, Male or Female, the "Establishment Parties" know that this is an anti-incumbent year, Americans don't want someone who has been in any politics, just a good business mind, so who are they going to "put up" to convince the majority, that this particular candidate is not a "bought politician", or will there be a "power grab" by Nobama come 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    I am not scared about Sarah Palin running, I am worried about the person we don't see coming, Male or Female, the "Establishment Parties" know that this is an anti-incumbent year, Americans don't want someone who has been in any politics, just a good business mind, so who are they going to "put up" to convince the majority, that this particular candidate is not a "bought politician", or will there be a "power grab" by Nobama come 2012.
    Whomever either of the two parties trot out will be a worthless tool; another sock puppet for the corporate plunder class.

    Conservatives (small government advocates) need to quit being like Charlie Brown; "Lucy" (the GOP) will always pull the football (less government) away at the last minute. But they (Republican pols) love to talk about freedom during their campaigns; just long enough to get elected by the rubes out there in fly-over country....

    Anyone who desires less government/more liberty who supports the GOP is a fool.

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    "Anyone who desires less government/more liberty who supports the GOP is a fool. "

    I wish that statement said anyone who supports the GOP or the Democratics are fools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    "Anyone who desires less government/more liberty who supports the GOP is a fool. "

    I wish that statement said anyone who supports the GOP or the Democratics are fools.
    So amended!

    Even speaking of them in terms of "two parties" is fairly silly. No, a lot silly.

    Both are all about Big Government; expanding it, protecting it - just with different window dressing. But the end result is the same.

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    "Both are all about Big Government; expanding it, protecting it - just with different window dressing. But the end result is the same. "

    Exactly and I credit Glenn Beck, helping me to see that! So while no one agrees with one person on everything or on every idea they present, overall I think Glenn Beck is the only one out there educating the public (masses) on this reality. Both are horribly corrupt and dishonest and take us to the same place. Neither should be tolerated by the citizens in America, and unless we set term limits and laws that require these "representatives" to live under the same rules they come up for the masses, then no matter who we "elect" to office, the outcome will be the same. We are skrewed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2 View Post
    "Both are all about Big Government; expanding it, protecting it - just with different window dressing. But the end result is the same. "

    Exactly and I credit Glenn Beck, helping me to see that! So while no one agrees with one person on everything or on every idea they present, overall I think Glenn Beck is the only one out there educating the public (masses) on this reality. Both are horribly corrupt and dishonest and take us to the same place. Neither should be tolerated by the citizens in America, and unless we set term limits and laws that require these "representatives" to live under the same rules they come up for the masses, then no matter who we "elect" to office, the outcome will be the same. We are skrewed!
    At first, I liked Beck, too... until I heard him parroting the GOP line on "terror" (the Muslims "hate us for our freedoms," Israel uber alles... etc.)

    Here's a short video of him doing just that - and also defending the bailouts and making fun of Ron Paul:

    http://www.infowars.com/glenn-beck-i...a-libertarian/

    The warfare state is as much the enemy of of liberty as the welfare state. Arguably, more so.

    If I had to choose, I'd take the soupy soft socialism of, say, Sweden to the flag-humping, sociopathic militarism of this country. And the egging-on of that element by such as Glenn Beck (who, let's not forget, is also the typical Bush-Cheney chickenhawk; loves to talk up fightin' fer freedom all over the world; never been in the military or in harm's way himself).

    If we do end up getting a nuke planted by some enraged Paki or Afghani or other a-rab in one of our cities, we will have deserved every kiloton.

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    Well this is where we have to agree to disagree, my "stand" on Israel is firm. Call it my believing in bejeebus or what ever, I am firm,
    check this information out:


    "Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian
    identity serves only tactical purposes. The
    founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool
    in the continuing battle against Israel ...
    -- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head
    of the PLO and member of its Executive
    Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977
    The Prophet Muhammad said, "War is deception
    -al-Bukhari, al-Jami al Sahih""
    http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/mythology.html

    Most of us are educated by the Government Indoctrination Program, and thus we form our belief system only on the past 100 years at the most, (I think those are who we call the intellectualls) my Grandmother is 95 years old, and the accounts of her generation are appalling to her to hear them espoused today.

    More on Glenn Beck later, sorry I have to run

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    Politically motivated mythology of "Palestine"

    Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian
    identity serves only tactical purposes. The
    founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool
    in the continuing battle against Israel ...
    -- Zuheir Muhsin, late Military Department head
    of the PLO and member of its Executive
    Council, Dutch daily Trouw, March 1977 The Prophet Muhammad said, "War is deception
    -al-Bukhari, al-Jami al Sahih

    Although a politically based mythology has grown up around and smothered, the documented past of the land known as "Palestine," there is recognition among preeminent scholars of what one of them has called "the more chauvinist Arab version of the region's history as having begun with the Arabs and Islam."1
    The claim that Arab-Muslim "Palestinians" were "emotionally tied" to "their own plot of land in Palestine" -- based upon a "consistent presence" on "Arab" land for "thousands of years"2 -- is an important part of that recent mythology.
    It was contrived of late in a thus far successful Orwellian propaganda effort-an appeal to the emotions that would "counter Zionism" and that "serves" tactical purposes as a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel," as the late PLO official Muhsin stated candidly in an interview, quoted at the beginning of this chapter.
    In order to understand how that tool, aided by a general near-ignorance of the "unrelenting past," has distorted the perception of the present, a look at the "yesterday" of "Palestine" is necessary.
    The inspection will be focused upon completing a circle-tracing the actual conditions and events that have been glossed over or omitted from the dialogue about the Arab-Israeli conflict; they are conditions and events that shaped the real political, economic, and demographic circumstances in the area. Those circumstances in turn critically affected what "justice" really consists of-for the Jewish and Arab refugees, or the "Palestinian Problem"-for the Arab-Israeli conflict. Illuminating that situation reveals and fills in the chasm between the documented facts and the Arab claims, and gives perspective to those contentions and assumptions that have become key in interpreting what is "just" for the population in question today.
    "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 A.D. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years...," the Muslim chairman of the Syrian Delegation attested in his remarks to the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919.3
    The British Palestine Royal Commission reported in 1937 that "it is time, surely, that Palestinian 'citizenship' . . . should be recognized as what it is, as nothing but a legal formula devoid of moral meaning."4
    That the claim of "age-old Arab Palestinian rights to Arab Palestine" is contradicted by history has been pointed out by eminent historians and Arabists.
    According to the Reverend James Parkes, "The Land was named Palestina by he Romans to eradicate all trace of its Jewish history..."
    It may seem inappropriate to have devoted so much time to "a situation which passed away two thousand years ago." But it is only politically that the defeat by Rome, and the scattering of the Jewish population, made a decisive change in the history of The Land. That which had been created by more than a thousand years of Jewish history [a thousand years before A.D. 135] remained, as did that which was beginning to be created in the thoughts of the young Christian Church.5
    Many authorities have addressed the misconceptions surrounding the word Palestine. The name derived from "other migrants from the northwest, the Philistines. Though the latest arrivals, and though they only exercised control over the whole country for a few uncertain decades, they had been the cause of its name of Palestine. These Philistines were an Aegean people, driven out of Greece and Aegean islands around about 1300 B.C.E. They moved southward along the Asiatic coast and in about 1200 attempted to invade Egypt. Turned back, they settled in the maritime plain of southern 'Palestine', where they founded a series of city-states."6
    According to Bernard Lewis, an eminent authority, "The word Palestine does not occur in the Old Testament. . . . Palestine does not occur in the New Testament at all."
    The official adoption of the name Palestine in Roman usage to designate the territories of the former Jewish principality of Judea seems to date from after the suppression of the great Jewish revolt of Bar-Kokhba in the year 135 C.E.... it would seem that the name Judea was abolished ... and the country renamed Palestine or Syria Palestina, with the ... intention of obliterating its historic Jewish identity. The earlier name did not entirely disappear, and as late as the 4th century C.E. we still find a Christian author, Epiphanius, referring to "Palestine, that is, Judea."
    As many, including Professor Lewis, have pointed out, "From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity.7 [See the map of "Ancient Palestine" in Appendix I"
    In other words, it appears that Palestine never was an independent nation and the Arabs never named the land to which they now claim rights. Most Arabs do not admit so candidly that "Palestinian identity" is a maneuver "only for political reasons" as did Zuheir Muhsin. But the Arab world, until recently, itself frequently negated the validity of any claim of an "age-old Palestinian Arab" identity.
    The Arabs in Judah-cum-Palestine were regarded either as members of a "pan-Arab nation," as a Muslim community, or, in a tactical ploy, as "Southern Syrians."8 The beginning article of a 1919 Arab Covenant proposed by the Arab Congress in Jerusalem stated that "The Arab lands are a complete and indivisible whole, and the divisions of whatever nature to which they have been subjected are not approved nor recognized by the Arab nation."9 In the same year, the General Syrian Congress had the opposite view; it expressed eagerness to stress an exclusively Syrian identity: "We ask that there should be no separation of the southern part of Syria, known as Palestine . . .'10 The Arab historian George Antonius delineated Palestine in 1939 as part of "the whole of the country of th name [Syria] which is now split up into mandated territories..."11 As late a the 1950s, there was still a schizoid pattern to the Arab views. In 1951, the Constitution of the Arab Ba'ath Party stated:
    The Arabs form one nation. This nation has the natural right to live in a single state and to be free to direct its own destiny ... to gather all the Arabs in a single independent Arab state.12
    A scant five years later, a Saudi Arabian United Nations delegate in 1956 asserted that "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria."13 In 1974, Syria's President Assad, although a PLO supporter, incorporated both claims in a remarkable definition:
    ... Palestine is not only a part of our Arab homeland, but a basic part of southern Syria." 14
    The one identity never seriously considered until the 1967 Six-Day War -- and then only as a "tool" -- was an "Arab Palestinian" one, and the absence was not merely disregard. Clearly there was no such age-old or even century-old "national identity." According to the British Palestine Royal Commission Report,
    In the twelve centuries or more that have passed since the Arab conquest Palestine has virtually dropped out of history.... In economics as in politics Palestine lay outside the main stream of the world's life. In the realm of thought, in science or in letters, it made no contribution to modem civilization. Its last state was worse than its first.15
    1 . P.J. Vatikiotis, Nasser and His Generation (London, 1978), p. 254.
    2. Thames Television Series, London, "Palestine," aired in the United States January February, 1979.
    3. Minutes of the Supreme Council, in D.H. Miller, My Diary at the Conference of Paris, 22 vols. (New York, 1924), vol. 14, p. 405
    4. Palestine Royal Commission Report, Command Paper # 5479,1937, p. 120, para. 14.
    5. James Parkes, Whose Land? (Middlesex, England: Penguin Books, 1970), p. 31.
    6. Ibid., p. 17.
    7.Bernard Lewis, "The Palestinians and the PLO, a Historical Approach," Commentary, January 1975, p. 32-48.
    8. Yehoshua Porath, "Social Aspects of the Emergence of the Palestinian National Movement," in Society and Political Structure in the Arab World, M. Milson, ed. (New York, 1973), pp. 101, 107, 119.
    9. Marie Syrkin, "Palestinian Nationalism: Its Development and Goal," in Michael Curtis et al., eds., The Palestinians: People, History, Politics (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Books, 1975), p. 200. Syrkin found that Haj Amin al-Husseini-the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem himself - "originally opposed the Palestine Mandate because it separated Palestine from Syria." Ibid.
    10. Ibid. According to Neville Mandel, Arabs and Zionism Before World War I (Berkeley, 1976), p. 152, n. 49: "After World War 1, when the nature of an independent Arab state and it's component parts were being discussed, the term 'Greater Syria' was advanced to embrace the Fertile Crescent and its desert hinterland. Palestine, as an integral part of that area, was dubbed 'Southern Syria.' But these terms were not in use in 1913 and 1914, when very few nationalists contemplated complete Arab independence."
    11. George Antonius, The Arab Awakening. The Story of the Arab National Movement (Philadelphia, New York, Toronto: J.B. Lippincott, 1939), p. 15, n.1; also see Mandel, Arabs and Zionism, pp. 151-153.
    12. The Balath Party "describes itself as a 'national, popular revolutionary movement fighting for Arab unity, Freedom and Socialism,"' in 1951. Syrkin, "Nationalism," in Curtis et al., Palestinians; p. 200; also see Menahem Milson, "Medieval and Modem Intellectual Traditions in the Arab World," in Daedalus, Summer 1972, particularly pp. 24-26; Michel Aflaq, prominent Ba'athist and Christian, on Arab Nationalism, cited in Milson, above; also see Aflaq, Fi Sabil al Baath (Arabic) Beirut, 1962 (3rd printing), cited in Milson, p. 26; also see Albert Hourani, Arabic Thought in the Liberal Age 1798-1939 (London: Oxford, 1962), particularly p. 301.
    13. Ahmed Shukeiry, as head of the PLO, to Security Council on May 31, 1956, cited by Syrkin in "Nationalism," in Curtis et al., Palestinians, p. 201.
    14. President Hafez Assad of Syria, Radio Damascus, March 8, 1974.
    15. Palestine Royal Commission Report, Chapter 1, p. 6, para. 11.
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    I don't care about Palestine, either - in the sense that we owe them (or Israel) anything other than general goodwill.

    Our subsidizing of Israel, and the influence that AIPAC has over American policy, is what I oppose.

    If the Israelis have a historic/religious claim on that land that we are bound to support, then we should give back most of the real estate we live on to the Natives, who certainly have a more recent (and legally more valid) claim to it than do the Israelis vis-a-vis theirs.

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