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    Pat Dixon on the Tea Party movement

    Pat is the head of the Texas Libertarian party, and he traces some of the origins of the Tea Parties (some states have more than one).

    http://www.statesman.com/opinion/dix...nt-852452.html

    I've been saying they have been co-opted by the neo-cons, and that is mostly true. But in some areas, the Tea Party (well, one or more of them) have been taken over by anti-capitalists and hard-core left-wingers.

    In short, it's now a way for the disaffected to meet up and protest over something they don't like, and don't have a coherent national strategy. In other words, a mob, not a political party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph View Post
    Pat is the head of the Texas Libertarian party, and he traces some of the origins of the Tea Parties (some states have more than one).

    http://www.statesman.com/opinion/dix...nt-852452.html

    I've been saying they have been co-opted by the neo-cons, and that is mostly true. But in some areas, the Tea Party (well, one or more of them) have been taken over by anti-capitalists and hard-core left-wingers.

    In short, it's now a way for the disaffected to meet up and protest over something they don't like, and don't have a coherent national strategy. In other words, a mob, not a political party.

    Chip H.

    I have come to the conclusion that most (not all, but most) Tea Party people don't get it - meaning, they are angry and want "change" but don't have a philosophical understanding of statism as such (the more formal term for "Big government") and so fall easily into the trap of supporting (or at least, not vigorously opposing) Republican big government. They simply object to what they loosely see as "socialism," not comprehending that corporatism and militarism result in the same suffocating, top-down oppression as left-liberal "socialism."

    The don't oppose entitlement programs in principle - based on the philosophical idea that it is never morally justified to take by force from Jones to provide for Smith. So they are up in arms about "welfare" - which is code for payoffs to louty blacks - but will protest school closings and support higher property taxes "for our children."

    And so on.

    I think it will come to blows.

    And, short of a mass extinction of the parasite class - and a wholesale re-education of the remaining population - we are doomed to a future of even more authoritarian statism and all that will come with it.

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    So, they're Looters that dress well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph View Post
    So, they're Looters that dress well?

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    To an extent, yes - in the sense that they support such things as the "war on terror," the "war on drugs," American global hegemony, a "strong" executive - and so on. These things are in principle no different than the "socialism" they harp about. Therefore, they've undermined the foundation of their objection before they've even begun to form an argument. Right?

    My sense of it is that maybe 20-30 percent of the Tea Party movement is Libertarian; the majority seems to me to be typical Bushie-McSame-Palin GOPers.

    How do you see it?

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    I don't have much contact with them. Similarly I don't have much contact with Pat Buchanan supporters, either.

    Basically, I think they're shallow thinkers. They want what they want, but haven't given any thought as to how they might get it *and* pay for it. In that sense, there's not much difference between them and the other entitlement-first folks.

    They complain in the same breath about taxes are too high, and that their Social Security checks aren't large enough. Well, those two things are somewhat related, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph View Post
    I don't have much contact with them. Similarly I don't have much contact with Pat Buchanan supporters, either.

    Basically, I think they're shallow thinkers. They want what they want, but haven't given any thought as to how they might get it *and* pay for it. In that sense, there's not much difference between them and the other entitlement-first folks.

    They complain in the same breath about taxes are too high, and that their Social Security checks aren't large enough. Well, those two things are somewhat related, eh?

    Chip H.
    That's it exactly.

    And: Their rah-rahing for war (any war, every war - otherwise, you must not "support the troops") is especially off-putting to me.

    I've actually stopped speaking to several old friends over this. That and their defense of Palin I just can't deal with.

    The idea that that shallow, greedy, malignant shill for the corporatocracy is somehow a "conservative" throws my puke reflex into overdrive.

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