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    How come the 'Buy American' campaigns don't work?

    Wouldn't that help our economy the most?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    How come the 'Buy American' campaigns don't work?

    Wouldn't that help our economy the most?
    Could it be that same reason that 'Buy British' struggles, people want value for their money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    How come the 'Buy American' campaigns don't work?

    Wouldn't that help our economy the most?
    My take is that a majority of people are unaware and don't care. There is also a large segment of the public who thinks that anything imported is better.

    It is almost as stale as the "cut taxes and spending" slogan repeated incessantly by Republicans. I am so sick of hearing about eeeeeeeeeeeeeaaarmaaaaaaaarks, too. That is what happens when you hit the snooze button too often.

    The reason that Buy American campaigns don't work is that there is nothing to back them up. There has to be a concerted government policy to protect teh market from imports. I don't see why people have such a hard time with tariffs.

    There is no evidence that when tariffs were in place in the US that quality was lower. In fact, it was higher than today. It was only in the 1970's when we took ourselves off of the gold standard did companies have to cut corners to combat rising prices.

    All this malarky about laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabor unions and high wages is just that.

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    I was watching a special on tv last night about a lady who purchased a very small wood mill like factory that makes small widget-like wood items like dowels, rods, etc..

    Anyhow, the factory she purchased had just went out of business three months ago and now she is running it and they are making money. The employees are happy, the owner is happy, and everyone is working.

    I say everyone needs to get their fucking ass in gear and convert the factories into places that can make shit we need and stop importing so much crap!

    If need be, make it the law!

    I mean shit, it's not that complicated.

    Import less, make more here.

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    Okay. In terms of car companies, which do you consider 'Buying American'

    A foriegn company that has a plant in the US.

    Or an American Company that builds in Canada/Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandonjin View Post
    Okay. In terms of car companies, which do you consider 'Buying American'

    A foriegn company that has a plant in the US.

    Or an American Company that builds in Canada/Mexico.
    In terms of cars, that is easy. -NONE

    I was thinking more along the lines of everyday commodities.

    Personally, I don't think America can compete with the quality of most imported cars.

    Just as an example:

    I don't think anything we put out here compares with the quality/price of a Honda.

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    There are some people (myself included) who are trying to only buy US-made goods for gifts this Christmas.

    It's fairly difficult, as it turns out. The niece wanted a Wii game -- the physical discs are made in Taiwan/China (but the software is written in the US). So that's a 50% victory, I guess.

    Chip H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    How come the 'Buy American' campaigns don't work?

    Wouldn't that help our economy the most?
    It would. But people - most people - are too short-sighted to appreciate the benefits of such voluntary collective action in their national interest.

    All they see is "low prices" for cheap Chinese-made crap. They don't see their lowered standard living - caused by the loss of jobs/lowered incomes caused by the wholesale exportation of industry to China, etc. It doesn't occur to them that they'd be better off paying $500 for a TV (made in America) and have a $40,000 per year job with decent benefits than pay $400 for the same TV (built in China) and a $25,000 per year job with no benefits. Or no job at all.

    This is why the Wal Mart and Dollah Sto' models work so well.

    Sell the idiots "cheap" Chinese-made flat screens in exchange for the loss of their salaried jobs (with benefits), for an hourly part-time job as a "sales associate" with no benefits - so that some asshole double-chinned Republican corporate tool can steal another two million in "performance bonuses" this year.

    But I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm freeeeeeee....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    In terms of cars, that is easy. -NONE

    I was thinking more along the lines of everyday commodities.

    Personally, I don't think America can compete with the quality of most imported cars.

    Just as an example:

    I don't think anything we put out here compares with the quality/price of a Honda.
    Cars are a hard question because, among other things, many of the big names (like Honda) build cars here. Is a Japanese-brand Accord built in Ohio by American workers earning a decent wage less "American" than an American-brand Ford built in Mexico by Mexican peons earning a Turd World wage?

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    Damn, so the high quality Hondas are actually built here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dom View Post
    Damn, so the high quality Hondas are actually built here?
    Some are!

    Honda has a big plant in Ohio.

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    That is awesome. I love Honda!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Cars are a hard question because, among other things, many of the big names (like Honda) build cars here. Is a Japanese-brand Accord built in Ohio by American workers earning a decent wage less "American" than an American-brand Ford built in Mexico by Mexican peons earning a Turd World wage?
    I don't think thats a totally bad thing in this instance.
    Mexicans often cross the border and get jobs here. Less jobs for American citizens.

    But if some have a job building a Ford Fusion, then they'll be less likely to come over here and take jobs from americans.

    That example only really works with Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandonjin View Post
    I don't think thats a totally bad thing in this instance.
    Mexicans often cross the border and get jobs here. Less jobs for American citizens.

    But if some have a job building a Ford Fusion, then they'll be less likely to come over here and take jobs from americans.

    That example only really works with Mexico.
    Interesting you mention trade with Mexico and stopping illegals. The reason that we got as many illegals as we have is that beginning in the mid 1960's, LBJ started the Maquilladora program, which allowed companies to erect factories across the US mexican border. As a result, many rural farm workers were drawn to the factories. When they realized that they could make 10x as much as they were being paid in Mexico in the US, they decided to make a go of it the border towns in Texas and Baja. As a result, the flood started back then, first as a trickle and then as a flood.

    The idea that underpaying Mexican workers in American factories will keep them there has been disproven by history.

    In addition, the auto plants in Mexico have not stopped Mexicans from coming across the border. The lost jobs in the US exceed the number of people that would cross the border, especially from the interior regions of the country.

    Trade with Mexico has been a net negative for the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Some are!

    Honda has a big plant in Ohio.
    The Oddysey, Pilot, and Ridgeline are made at a Honda plant in Alabama.

    Chip H.

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