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    Occupy Wall Street

    It broke my heart to see a young person holding up a sign that read: "Capitalism is the crisis".

    Karl Marx felt the same way. I lived for 27 years during the cold war. I lived behind the iron curtain shortly after communism fell and now just 20 years later the younger generation has been taught by fat-asses like Michael Moore that capitalism is the problem and socialism and collectivism is the answer.

    America does not have capitalism. People are not free to use their capital as they wish. They are told how to use it by the gov. via regulations and taxation. That is not a free market that is not capitalism, that is crony-capitalism or corporatism even fascism. When the gov controls capital and is influenced by business.

    OWS street it turning into a liberal tea party movement with their demands for a "living wage" and "free health care" etc...

    I won't be joining those people anytime soon. I'm waiting for the protest that advocates: little or no gov., little or no taxation, little or no street cops, personal responsibility, personal freedom, hard work, pride, self-esteem and respect for each others rights.

    The problem is: Americans don't know the difference between right and wrong. They think taking money from one person to pay for health care for another is right. I learned in kindergarten that is stealing, regardless what the thief uses the money for.

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    Just saw another young black man say he's there for a global economy. There are people starving. It shouldn't come down to money.

    Then what should it come down to? If you see someone that's hungry then feed him. What's that got to do with a global economy? The naivette and economic ignorance of these young people is dangerous. The whole "communal" economic model has been tried. It was called communism and it failed miserably. There were more starving people under Stalin than there are now.

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    OWS is now in the 1%! LMMFAO!

    The Occupy Wall Street movement has a website that it takes donations on. It has a bank account, a financial officer and an accountant.

    To date it has taken in in excess of $500,000, officially putting the 99% in the 1%. Mission accomplished. Can we all go home now?

    What's so absolutely ironically funny about it is that, everything they are supposedly protesting against now applies to them. If they favor a cap on corporate revenues then they must also favor a cap on their revenues which means now they will be the victims of their own demands.

    Let's see how they like being told how much money is "enough" and anything above that amount must be taxed at 70% or more. I think they'll find that they don't like being told how much is "enough" anymore than the corporations they want to tell how much is "enough".

    Not to mention they are also having squabbles and infighting over what to do with the money. Classic "tragedy of the commons" problem: the money wasn't earned by anyone, it doesn't belong to anyone so everyone wants to spend it.

    Class is in session OWS folks. Let's hope you're paying attention.



    http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-wall-st-finds-money-brings-problems-too-111339150.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by doncoo View Post
    They think taking money from one person to pay for health care for another is right. I learned in kindergarten that is stealing, regardless what the thief uses the money for.
    Most countries seem to do it that way. But do you also feel it's stealing when people pay for other government services for others, such as the police and fire departments or whatever?

    Should we all pay for our own everything in every situation that can come up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom View Post
    Most countries seem to do it that way. But do you also feel it's stealing when people pay for other government services for others, such as the police and fire departments or whatever?

    Should we all pay for our own everything in every situation that can come up?

    -Don-
    Most countries do it that way b/c the gov's of those countries force the people to do it that way just like here.

    Of course we should only pay for goods/services that we value and choose to use. Do you pay for groceries at the store that you don't want?

    The gov has forcibly taken a monopoly on police and fire but if they both disappeared today, then private providers would pop up so fast your head would spin.

    Then if you felt you needed and wanted security protection you could call for it. If your house was on fire, you could call for a private fire company to come. Why not? Perfectly simple. No different than calling for an ambulance. Ambulances are private companies.

    And we already have private security firms and volunteer and pay-for-service fire companies.

    The only reason most people don't think this is possible is for no reason other than this is how it's always been. It's social momentum.

    Who delivers the mail better? USPS or Federal Express? End of story.

    The only moral, just place for gov in society is competing with other providers. If we do not have the option to opt out of their abusive, corrupt, fraudulent programs then we are slaves to them, which is exactly what we are. And they know it!

    I laugh when people say that a problem is so big or so important only the gov can handle it. That's exactly when the gov should NOT be given the responsiblity b/c they cannot do anything right, especially if it's big or important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doncoo View Post
    Who delivers the mail better? USPS or Federal Express? End of story.
    who delivers mail better, USA or Canada? If you can get your mail at all in Canada when the private company goes out on strike. Which is cheapest to mail a letter from, USA or Canada?

    -Don- SSF, CA

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    OWS just makes you smile and laugh

    The Occupy Wall Streeter's have set up a social system amongst themselves including a "General Assembly" and a collection of various committees.

    From wikipedia:

    "The New York City General Assembly (NYCGA) is OWS' main decision-making body. At its meetings the various OWS committees discuss their thoughts and needs."

    Now that OWS has taken in over $500,000 in donations, all the various "committees" are infighting for allocations of this money and the NYCGA will decide who gets
    how much. Naturally, some of the committee members are angry that they aren't getting more of the money that they didn't earn because they "feel" they "deserve" more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street


    Cut to the Soviet Social Structure which too was run by a "Central Committee" making allocaton decisions for lower level committees. From Wikipedia:

    "At lower levels, the organizational hierarchy was managed by Party Committees"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union#Structure

    As the OWS protestors reinvent socialism for the umpteen-millionth time and prove to each other that, that shit still doesn't work, we'll sit back and watch the
    living laboratory at work and just shake our heads. No doubt the well-to-do OWS folks feel that their system is the "fairest" system, and most socially "just"
    system because people are making decisions about who gets what and how much, and not bad, evil and greedy markets (which btw are just people coming together
    to trade voluntarily). Such a "just" system, has never, could never and will never work. How many more have to suffer under such a "just" system before people
    get it?

    Unfortunately, as the OWS protestors continue arguing within their soviet style social structure, while wearing clothes and sleeping in tents and using technology that the corporations they are protesting produced for them and which they purchased voluntarily in the market, they still won't be able to put two and two together and figure out that they represent the problem and should just go home. Public school and the mainstream media have done their work well.

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