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    Does it Ever Make Sense to Buy a New Car?

    I'll probably get in trouble. After all, I write new car reviews. Advising people not to buy new cars is not what you'd probably expect. But, here's the fulsome scurvy truth: I - and every car journalist I know - drive used. Because we know. And now, I'm gonna spill the beans, give you the Straight Dope - so that you'll know, too. Here goes.

    * A new car is the absolute worst investment you'll ever make.


    That's not an assertion or my opinion. It's an incontestable fact. Proof? Show me an investment that is all-but-guaranteed to leave you with less money (a lot less money) than you started with and I will show you a bad investment. Car salesmen often talk about the investment you're about to make. Well, I suppose for them it is. But for you? Uh, no. The average new car loses 30-40 percent of its original MSRP value within five years of leaving the lot. How''s that for an investment?


    The reality is a car is an appliance - not an investment. There will be no return. You'll get to use (and hopefully, enjoy) it for a period of time. Nothing more. The best you can do is minimize your losses. Side-stepping new car depreciation - which takes the biggest bite during those first five years from new - is the single biggest (and smartest) way to do that.


    * New cars cost you more in ways you may have forgotten to take into account.


    Probably the main reason most people buy a new car is because they like the idea of not having to worry (at least, financially) about repair costs for the first few years of ownership - while the vehicle is covered by the new car warranty. That's absolutely valid, reasonable and understandable. However, you are paying handsomely for that (see the first bullet point above) and not only for that.


    When you buy a new car, there will often be sales tax on the purchase. In my state (VA) it is 3.2 percent of the vehicle sales price. If you bought a $25,000 new car (that figure represents the average "transaction cost" of a new car as of 2012) you will be presented with a sales tax tab of around $800. But we're just getting started. Next, you'll probably find out that your insurance bill has increased. Because insurance costs are based in part on the projected replacement cost of the vehicle insured - and it will cost more to replace (or repair) a brand-new $25,000 car than it would to send you a check for the $6,500 "book value" of your current (not new) car if it gets totaled.


    In the past, it have cost less to cover a new car because of new car equipment such as ABS, stability control and so on - which were associated in the underwriter's mind with reduced likelihood of a wreck (and thus, a claim). But all new cars have all this stuff now - so the discounts aren't what they were. Meanwhile, new cars have more "stuff" - for example, six or more air bags vs. the formerly typical two. Replacement costs are enormous - and this is reflected in the cost of insurance.


    Oh, and don't forget: Some states (and localities) hit you with an annual personal property tax on top of all this. It's usually based on a vehicle's average retail value. A new car valued by the state/county at $25,000 can mean paying hundreds in personal property taxes every year for the next few years - until the car's value drops.
    * New cars add stress to your life.


    My neighbor recently bought a brand-new (and $40,000-plus) truck. Last week, he accidentally backed it into a brick retaining wall. About $4,000 in damage to the bumper/tailgate and driver's side rear quarter panel. He is beside himself. And he hasn't gotten the letter yet from his insurance co. "adjusting" his rates. Contrariwise, about two years ago, my wife hit a deer - well, the deer hit her - while she was out driving our '98 model truck. Next day, I used a strong rope and a big tree to pull the bumper back out and used my hand to pop the dents mostly out. It's not perfect - but who cares? It's an old truck. I am immune to sweating door dings. I don't mind driving it in the woods, because I'm not worried about tree branches scuffing the paint. The paint is already scuffed. There are already stains on the seats. Another coffee spill isn't going to hurt. The steering wheel plastic is cracking. But guess what? All this will happen to your new vehicle, too. Only you'll be upset about it when it happens.


    I'm not - because it already has.

    * Today's used cars are better than yesterday's new cars.


    If you haven't noticed, modern cars last - and last. And then last some more. It's commonplace for a late-model car (that's pretty much any car built since the mid-late 1990s) to go 10-15 years and more than 200,000 miles before it begins to become untrustworthy or a money pit. Over the past 20-something years, manufacturing tolerances have tightened up, processes and materials are much better and production has to a great extent been automated in order to eliminate or at least reduce the quality control issues that used to arise from one shift to the next (and so on). As a a result the build quality -and long-haul durability - of the average late-model car is night-and-day better than it used to be.


    That, in turns, means if you buy a four or five-year-old used car with say 50,000 miles on it, you can reasonably expect it to give you no major problems for another 100,000-plus miles and ten years. Of course, it's important to be careful - and check over any prospect very carefully. Or have it checked out by someone with the necessary know-how. But as a rule - meaning, unless you have the bad luck to land a lemon or choose a good car that had a bad owner who abused it - the odds are excellent that any late-model used car you buy will give you more life and more miles and less trouble than any brand-new car would have back in the '70s and even into the '80s.

    This is the secret the automakers hope you'll never, ever learn. Because they need people to keep on buying new cars every six years or so - right around the time they finished paying off the note on the last one.

    If you like debt, if you don't mind losing 30-40 percent (or more) in depreciation on your "investment" - or if you've just got to have the latest thing or think that new car smell is worth it - and there's nothing wrong with any of that - then by all means, go ahead. Sign right up.


    But you won't find me doing it. Or any other car journalist I know. And that ought to tell you something... .


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    Yes, _I_ know that.
    SWMBO doesn't care.

    Our free and clear 2002 Explorer EB started making a funny noise around the rear axle, as we were planning for a 1500 mile trip.
    The noise was not yet loud enough for me to locate or diagnose.
    I loved that Explorer; the air worked well despite the clicking servos in the back, and the tiny V8 got good mileage.

    Over the years, SWMBO and I have done repairs, or had them done, along I95 on occasion,
    including one truck stop in SC that was right out of "Nothing But Trouble".
    Recall of that incident was pretty much the end of the discussion.

    Our 2010 Mountaineer should be paid for in a couple of years...

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    While in principle I agree with all that, in 2010 I went out & bought my first ever new car.

    Looking at the used car market was depressing. Hundreds of cars in my price range, but when you get down to detail very few that were actually anything near what I wanted. Filter out the dull, boring colours (Fifty Shades of Grey!), the small-engined cars, those lacking cruise control, etc. & there was a very limited choice. Then my eyes fell on the Citroen DS3 - new on the market, so no used ones yet available, but at a price which was more than I'd intended to pay, but still within my ability to pay.

    So what were the advantages of buying new? First & foremost, choice of colour, powertain & equipment - no more parking next to a similar car & envying the bits it has that mine doesn't. Secondly, knowing that the car hasn't been abused or had bodged repairs done to it. Three years' warranty looks good, but in reality it's been a non-benefit . . . nothing's gone wrong!

    Financially, not such a good deal - as the car was new to the market & demand was high, nobody was discounting, so we paid the full price, although the price they gave for my trade-in was 1500 ($2250) above the absolute minimum I'd have accepted, so I was happy with the deal I got - no debt to worry about as I paid cash.

    Bottom line is that I've got a great little car which puts a smile on my face every time I drive it, on which I owe nothing; makes sense to me!
    Last edited by Dave Brand; 04-16-2013 at 05:52 AM.

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    Cost is not the only consideration in buying a car. Part of it is to feel satisfied with the purchase for whatever reasons the person might have. But buying used cars is not necessarily cheaper.

    I bought my first new car in 1976. A gold Dodge Colt. I even remember what I paid all in. I just wanted to buy a new car. It made me feel good. And then I drove that car until 1994. That's 18 years. The paint and upholstery was were of such low quality that the car started looking bad within a few years. It eventually looked like such a wreck that people made fun of it. But I saw no reason to replace it, because it was still running. None of this really makes sense. I "overpaid" to get a new car, and then years later I was driving a car that was more of a wreck then anything my friends had. But amortizing the price over the duration of ownership, I probably got a better deal than my friends who replaced used cars more than once in the same time span.

    In 1994 I bought a brand new Mazda 626 LX-V6. I still have it. But this car doesn't have low quality paint and upholstery. I'm actually surprised at how well it has held up. So this will be the nineteenth year I've had this car, and it's not a wreck. The seats are firm and the clear coat has provided decent protection. And the car runs well.

    Anyway, I think I've gotten my money's worth out of both these cars, plus had the enjoyment of owning a new car.

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