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    Elon's Musk

    Teslas keep on crashing into things - because Tesla hasn't stopped encouraging Tesla owners to keep their hands (and eyes) off of things.
    The steering wheel, for one.
    And the road.
    Teslas says no such thing, of course. It says the opposite - while merely making the technology to take one's hands off the wheels and one's eyes off the road . . . available.
    If the driver uses it, he is expected - legally obligated - to be ready to use his hands and eyes to prevent the car from Auto-piloting itself into things.
    It's like a toilet for the bind that moves itself to another corner of the room - and then blaming the blind man for the mess on the floor.
    Well, per Whitesnake, here we go again.
    Musk says that soon Tesla drivers will be able to take their eyes off the road - and their hands off the wheel - all the time.
    This is "Level 5" - the Tesla-verbiage equivalent of Phase 3 or whatever the government gibberish is with regard to the WuFlu and what we'll be allowed to do. What it means is a completely automated car.
    But will Tesla be completely responsible for what happens?

    He hasn't been - for what's already happened.
    How about when it snows - and the electronic eyes that "see" for the driver who doesn't no longer do? Or the software gets senile or it just can't handle the inputs because of its limited parameters?
    See eggs and omelets.
    "I'm extremely confident that Level 5 or essentially complete autonomy (sic) will happen and I think will happen very quickly," the nation's rent-seeker-in-chief said the other day at the annual World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai.
    The "sic" inserted to correct the editorial inaccuracy of referring to a car that drives itself according to the programming instilled by a corporation as autonomous - i.e., independent of external control - when in fact Tesla's automated cars are completely controlled by the corporation's programming and so not by you.
    How confident will you feel about being on the same road with Level 5 cars with no one's hands on the wheel or even expected to be? Level 5 cars may not even have steering wheels or brake pedals, these being the equivalent of vestigial tails . . . if the cars are truly automated and the driver just another passenger.
    But if the wheel - and pedals - remain, it implies an obligation to drive. And to be held responsible for not driving, even if car supposedly does. If, on the other hand, the wheels and pedals are absent, then the driver can't be held responsible for what the car does and what he couldn't have done to prevent it.
    This brings up an interesting piece of cognitive dissonance.
    No measure, it seems, is too extreme to "stop the spread" of a virus that might get you sick but 99.7 percent not dead. On the basis of this we are expected - we are required - to emulate the look - and neurotic behavior - of Michael Jackson in order to be allowed to go shopping or go to work. The entire country, just about, completely reorganized on the basis of an asserted threat to almost no one.
    But a car that regularly kills people by running into them - because there's no one's hands on the wheel or eyes on the road - is turned loose without any restrictions at all.
    It is illegal for anyone to have the air bag in their car disabled but it's perfectly legal for Elon Musk to sell cars that disable people permanently.
    Not just the people in the car, either. Also people in other cars, who happened to be in the orbit of one of these de facto driverless cars.
    What about de jure liability?
    Businesses are under extreme pressure to enforce Face Diaper decrees issued by the government - and out of fear of being sued because someone might get sick. Why isn't similar "concern" expressed by the government for cars that get people dead?
    Note that while The Virus (TM) is largely avoidable - the people who fear it can stay home, wear a Diaper when not home - avoiding a Level 5 Tesla is unavoidable. How would you even know one's nearby?
    And yet, there is no equivalent of a Face Diaper mandate or even "social distancing" imposed on them. They are free to mingle as they like, to insinuate themselves directly into our vicinity - and perhaps directly into us - without any legal impediment or even social shaming to keep the threat they pose to our safety at bay.
    Isn't it interesting how fungible these "threats" are? How they don't carry much weight - or rather, impose much in the way of mandates or restrictions - when to impose them would present certain . . . difficulties.
    Meanwhile, the imposition of extreme difficulties for other reasons having nothing to do with threats to our safety is reasonable and necessary.
    It makes my teeth ache.
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    It seems to me that we're not getting the real story about that Tesla that crashed in the video. The car didn't even slow down. That tells me two things.

    1. The driver has the "Automatic Emergency Braking" turned off, regardless if he was using auto-pilot or not. The default is "on" but some idiots turn it off for reasons I do not understand.

    2. The driver had his/her head up his/her ass. Wasn't paying attention.

    We cannot blame Elon Musk or Tesla for either.

    -Don- Reno, NV
    Last edited by Ken; 07-12-2020 at 04:14 PM.

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    "How about when it snows - and the electronic eyes that "see" for the driver who doesn't no longer do"

    You get a big fat message on the screen that is impossible to miss, such as "left front camera view is blocked".

    It happened to me in the snow. Simply clean the camera ASAP, takes all of five seconds after getting out of the car.

    BTW, how come we never hear the stories where somebody is saved?

    For an example, a buddy of mine was driving late at night on autopilot in Texas, on a very lonely road. He was on auto-pilot at 80 MPH for around a half hour at this steady speed. All of a sudden, his Tesla Model Three is slowing down very fast and beeping, making all kinds of noise. He was wondering what was wrong, as he saw nothing wrong at first. A few seconds later, he discovers there is a motorcycle riding slow in front of him with no taillight and no reflector at all (broken off or whatever). His Tesla saw it and safely slowed down the car before he even had a clue it was there.

    If his Tesla Model Three could see a motorcycle at night with no lights and no reflector, how do you explain that car in your video hitting that overturned truck in the middle of the day? It's obvious to me. The idiot had his "automatic emergency braking" turned off. And since the default is on, the idiot driver had to manually turn it off.

    -Don- Reno, NV
    Last edited by DonTom; 07-13-2020 at 12:22 AM.

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    Senior Member DonTom's Avatar
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    I was just trying to edit that first post to change the word "head" to "had". Your edit function is still not working in this forum.

    -Don- Reno, NV
    Last edited by Ken; 07-12-2020 at 05:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom View Post
    I was just trying to edit that first post to change the word "head" to "had". Your edit function is still not working in this forum.

    -Don- Reno, NV
    It has been like it for a long time now, Don. I did post a 'work around'
    in the 'Announcements' thread. I was going to copy and paste it for
    you but it seems to have disappeared. It was a bit fiddly but i will see
    if I can remember how to do it. If I can I will repost it.

    Ken.

    Right click 'Edit Post'
    In drop down window Left Click 'Open link in new window'
    Edit post
    Left click 'Save changes'
    Close the page.
    Back in original thread page Right Click a blank area and
    select 'Reload'

    The post should now be edited.
    Last edited by Ken; 07-12-2020 at 05:32 AM.
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    Hi, Don.

    I've worked it out and the solution is posted
    in my previous reply, edited to include the
    'Edit' solution to show that it works for me
    at least.

    Ken.
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