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    STOP signs VS YIELD signs and BEYOND

    Going back in time traffic engineers soon learned that they had to come up with a method of giving one vehicle the right away over another, and so the STOP sign was born. It wasn't long before it was realized that on some roads a motorists could sit at that stop sign all day without a break in traffic, and so the 4-way STOP cam into existence. New problems were developing and the solution was to put up YIELD signs on some roads. This gave the motorists the option of stopping if there was traffic, or continuing to travel if it was clear.

    The traffic engineers were very pleased with the above solution to the problem. However, the city/county/state fathers weren't happy because they could not collect revenue in the current situation.So the battle began.
    Many STOP signs have been erected illegally. For instance, A STOP sign should not be used for speed control.

    I mentioned in a previous post that the best way to fight a speeding ticket is to partition the council to do a study on the STOP sign usuage. don't assume that one has been done, however, if it has been, asked for a copy of the study. Be aware of illegal STOP signs and work toward getting rid of them.

    If you do get a ticket for running a STOP sign and you didn't see it, take photos of the area and why you didn't see the sign to present in court. Judges love photos.

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    "If you do get a ticket for running a STOP sign and you didn't see it, take photos of the area and why you didn't see the sign to present in court. Judges love photos.
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    Yep - and I'm sure you meant "petition" the court - not "partition"!

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    Yep - and I'm sure you meant "petition" the court - not "partition"!
    I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

    When I was fighting a speeding ticket in North Carolina and I got a silly little error in one of the petitions. The twit prosecuting me tried to get the judge to throw it out. The judge leaned over the bench, looking directly at the asst. DA and quoted a law that said, 'If all parties know the meaning of the word in the mistake is allowable, and we all know what she means, don't we?" I bit my tongue to keep from grinning. ;D and continued with my stand. I was requesting the judge to suppress evidence on grounds that it was unreliable.

    The above tactic was the beginning of them dropping the charges against me. It was also the beginning of my getting the repeal of the federal speed limits. Sometimes we don't know the paths that we will walk by standing up for our rights. Our rights are not handed to us on a 'Silver Platter,' and we must fight for them often to ensure that our nation never succumbs to servitude.

    War is hell on the homefront too, and we are all enlisted to battle freedom.

    P.S. Keep me honest - tell me if I have misspelled any words or have gotten any facts askew.


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    "The above tactic was the beginning of them dropping the charges against me. It was also the beginning of my getting the repeal of the federal speed limits. Sometimes we don't know the paths that we will walk by standing up for our rights. Our rights are not handed to us on a 'Silver Platter,' and we must fight for them often to ensure that our nation never succumbs to servitude.

    War is hell on the homefront too, and we are all enlisted to battle freedom.

    P.S. Keep me honest - tell me if I have misspelled any words or have gotten any facts askew.


    You bet - just a slight ribbing!

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    Re: STOP signs VS YIELD signs and BEYOND

    Quote Originally Posted by gail

    The traffic engineers were very pleased with the above solution to the problem. However, the city/county/state fathers weren't happy because they could not collect revenue in the current situation.So the battle began.
    Many STOP signs have been erected illegally. For instance, A STOP sign should not be used for speed control.

    Here is an URL of a newspaper column from Masochists in which an NMA member has written about the same issue.


    http://www2.townonline.com/brookline...ticleid=549102

    Here are some additional letters printed with permission:

    August 4, 2006
    >>
    >> Editor
    >> Brookline TAB
    >> 254 Second Avenue
    >> Needham, MA 02494
    >>
    >> In a recent letter to the editor, Ivan Sever of the National Motorists
    >> Association questions why the Transportation Board didn?t inform
    >> Driscoll
    >> School area residents that using Stop signs to curb speeding was
    >> illegal.
    >> The Transportation Board was fully aware of the warrants for the
    >> installation of Stop signs and had discussed the issue during several
    >> Board meetings. The decision to install Stop signs was made only
    >> after
    >> conditions satisfying the warrants were met. The only question here
    >> is
    >> Mr. Sever?s motivation for his letter and the professional integrity
    >> of
    >> the association he represents. Mr. Sever would be well advised to
    >> comment
    >> only after understanding completely the facts surrounding an issue.
    >>
    >> David Friend
    >> Town of Brookline
    >> 617-730-2140
    >>
    >

    > From: Ivan Sever <sever@fas.harvard.edu>
    > Date: August 5, 2006 18:28:43 EDT
    > To: "David Friend" <david_friend@town.brookline.ma.us>
    > Cc: brookline@cnc.com
    > Subject: Re: Brookline TAB Letter
    >
    > Dear Mr. Friend,
    >
    >
    > Your efforts are misguided.
    >
    > If the Transportation Board is fully aware of the warrants for
    > installation of Stop signs, perhaps you should be concerned with the
    > motivation and integrity of the Brookline TAB, which printed the
    > following sentences I was responding to:
    >
    > "As part of an ongoing effort to curb speeding traffic in the Driscoll
    > School area, the Transportation Board Thursday night prescribed the
    > latest in a series of fixes: two new stop signs on Westbourne
    > Terrace."
    >
    > "This is the latest step in a more than seven-year campaign by
    > Driscoll parents and neighborhood residents to slow traffic on the
    > busy street; the two new signs will be placed on Westbourne Terrace."
    >
    > "Sandman said that the town would collect new speed data to judge the
    > effectiveness of the stop signs at slowing traffic and then consider
    > taking further measures."
    >
    > "Still, members of the committee said that stop signs would only
    > effectively slow traffic within a narrow region around the sign."
    >
    > It is possible you did not read the "Traffic trouble fixes on tap"
    > report By Christian Schiavone, published on Thursday, July 27, 2006.
    > You'd be well advised to comment on my letter only after familiarizing
    > yourself with article I was specifically responding to.
    >
    > Ivan Sever
    > MA Coordinator
    > National Motorists Association
    >
    >
    And another URL on the same subject:
    http://www.townonline.com/dover/localRegional/view.bg?
    articleid=547034&format=


    Gail Morrison, Former NMA Lobbyist & NMSL Slayer
    Las Vegas, NV

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