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    It's warm here in the world of unreal-politik, and it's quite a stretch to imagine coldness.
    I can only assume that being cold is the visitation of the devil.

    deja vu.... trying to get the US midwest, say, Colorado, to comprehend things outside Church, Family, and the gossip down the street.

    Well, God invented Angry Young Men. They worked in Britain, Russia, Germany and France, and will soon be free in China and Inda.

    Nothing will change.
    So in the meantime we have Universities and Markets, slavery and production of comforts, and we have absolutely NO IDEA what to do about rising temperatures.

    The positive idea is to reduce greenhouse gases, but the USA is well behind on this. I posit that history will not be writ as before, but be always available by cellphone, which currently depends on Taiwan, Korea and China, as manufacturers of the electronic stuff [they can buy the software]... and that we must ensure that whatever political structures surround the production of this global 'freedom' is made truly free.

    All information can now be held in a pocket, yet we have a US pressie, an US contenders, who cannot drive a cellphone... which is a technical issue to do with leadership.

    Men will still die to maintain primacy and women will still mate.

    Details, details...!

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    Re: US Euro Weather

    What does any of that rant have to do with US Euro Weather?

    You may be assured that we do have weather in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm
    What does any of that rant have to do with US Euro Weather?

    Quiet. I am listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd by Ilana Vered Decca 1970 33 1/3rd.

    It has everything to do with US/Euro weather.

    And while you were fixing your drool cup, I did a portrait of my neighbours, a girl of about 40, her gay partner and the mum, who lived in Porirua which is near where I broke my back.

    It was a stern test of my journo skills. I made sure that I shook the hand of the Mum

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    Wow. I need to get my eyes checked.. I don't understand a thing a thinkg any one has written in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat
    Wow. I need to get my eyes checked.. I don't understand a thing a thinkg any one has written in this thread.
    What can we do do help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm
    What does any of that rant have to do with US Euro Weather?

    You may be assured that we do have weather in the US.
    I had hoped that those people who advocate for what is essentially a cost to production might understand that Europe at least is going to tax industry if it makes greenhouse gases, at least on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg

    I had hoped that those people who advocate for what is essentially a cost to production might understand that Europe at least is going to tax industry if it makes greenhouse gases, at least on paper.
    Lovely! I have no idea whether we are in the middle of a long term warming period, cooling period, or simply stasis in some gross sense where things are being switched around but the net remains constant. .

    What I do know is that those who believe in the 'warming' theory are simply ranting, finger pointing niotwits, believing that it will all be solved immediately if we give up cars and central heat. This is rot because even if we did, and no more green house gases were added, it would likely take centuries for an positive effect or reversal of the trend.

    If I did believe and lived near sea level, I'd be looking to move inland. The strange this is that none of the believers are doing a d'd thing to prepare for the events they swear are going to happen.

    The main reason we are having global warming is because the grants and tenure go to the tru believers.

    A pox on everybody, I'm at least 150 feel above MSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat
    Wow. I need to get my eyes checked.. I don't understand a thing a thinkg any one has written in this thread.
    What can we do do help?
    At least start by making sense. Unless you include China and India in the mix of a multilateral agreement to cut C02, teh earth will continute to "warm" if you believe in the global warming ideology.

    I will agree that we are in uncharted waters as far as the earth's climate is concerned. Foir hundredsof thousands of years, increases in C02 concentration was preceeded by an increase in the earths temperature. Now, teh increase in earths temperature appears to be coincident with increases in C02 concentration. C02 concentration has never been below 100 ppm and is now currentlay at 370 ppm. We are talking about parts per million, not parts per 1000 or a percentage...

    I remain unconvinced that the books haven't been cooked somehow. If the public know that earths temperature averages were taken forn monitoring stations near airports and urban areas, subject to the heat island effect, it is easy to see that the numbers can be skewed to meet the objectives of the researchers, NGO's and governments as well.

    The global warming hysteria also ignores the fact that 15000 scientists wrote letters urging governments not to adopt the Kyoto Protocol as written.

    If GW is true, then there is little we can do about it. The UN panel recently admitted that.

    Go ahead, GW Koolaid Drinkers, drink it, but I'll stay with Hawaiian Punch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm

    Lovely! I have no idea whether we are in the middle of a long term warming period, cooling period, or simply stasis in some gross sense where things are being switched around but the net remains constant. .

    What I do know is that those who believe in the 'warming' theory are simply ranting, finger pointing niotwits,
    Having a debate here us like, well, making decisions under fire. The software is poor, the weather is bad, and who would account for the opinions of a flyboy?

    You MUST accept that the probability is for near-medium term warming.

    It's clear that you read crap.

    Yours,

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Quote Originally Posted by jdm

    Lovely! I have no idea whether we are in the middle of a long term warming period, cooling period, or simply stasis in some gross sense where things are being switched around but the net remains constant. .

    What I do know is that those who believe in the 'warming' theory are simply ranting, finger pointing niotwits,
    Having a debate here us like, well, making decisions under fire. The software is poor, the weather is bad, and who would account for the opinions of a flyboy?

    You MUST accept that the probability is for near-medium term warming.

    It's clear that you read crap.

    Yours,

    Mother-of-Three
    With that attitude it's surprising that you got to be a mother of one, let alone three.

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    When did you make decisions under fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    It's warm here in the world of unreal-politik, and it's quite a stretch to imagine coldness.
    I can only assume that being cold is the visitation of the devil.

    deja vu.... trying to get the US midwest, say, Colorado, to comprehend things outside Church, Family, and the gossip down the street.
    Since we just had one of our coldest Januaries on record, and February is not looking promising, I think we'll put off the doomsday scenarios for a while and crank up a few more power plants. By the way, our local power producer wants to increase its nuclear generation, but that's harder to do than getting new coal and double-conversion turbine generators online. And Texas is now the #1 state in the country for renewable energy production.

    Colorado is largely a left-leaning haven for Californians who sell out of the western socialist workers paradise, take their winnings, and Californicate the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    When did you make decisions under fire?
    The better question is when will you be making decisions under water? As I recall, your house is but a foot or so above MSL.

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    Here's a fun test of one's understanding of basic science.

    If all the arctic ice melted, how much would it raise the world's oceans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg


    Quiet. I am listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd by Ilana Vered Decca 1970 33 1/3rd.
    First time I heard that at home was even faster!! A series of 78's Seemed to spend all the time changing them
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Here's a fun test of one's understanding of basic science.

    If all the arctic ice melted, how much would it raise the world's oceans?
    Maybe not at all. While the icebergs may melt due to a warming (maybe), water is denser than ice, thus taking up less volume. As a result, sea levels may fall. Now, the water above sea level may spill into the oceans rasising the sea levels. True enough, but if the earth is "warming" to levels that would melt all of the icecaps, the surface tempertature wof the water will increase and so will seawater evaporation, thus cutting the sea levels.

    I don't think anyone, especially in the global warming community has honestly answered that question, as it isn't often asked by the little punk reporters from the major wire services, CNN, Fox or anyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat
    I don't think anyone, especially in the global warming community has honestly answered that question, as it isn't often asked by the little punk reporters from the major wire services, CNN, Fox or anyone else.

    We don't know how the dynamics will work... especially the effects on oceans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat
    I don't think anyone, especially in the global warming community has honestly answered that question, as it isn't often asked by the little punk reporters from the major wire services, CNN, Fox or anyone else.

    We don't know how the dynamics will work... especially the effects on oceans.

    No, we don't. Anymore than we can be sure that manmade activities are the cause for "warming". The global warming community likes to use computer models to determine what they believe the outcome will be. They have extrapolated 60 years into the future, a time when most all of us (and them) will be dead, buried and forgotten about.

    disregarding the fact that their models have been off on their assumptions about today, they could try and honestly assess the dynamics of what is going on with the oceans as well, although I suspect that there are far more variables than you can account for in models.

    The only thing we hear from this "community" is that everything from malaria to a hot day in NYC to a Blizzard in Colorado is attributed to global warming. I think that a lot of these speculators are off the hook..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg

    We don't know how the dynamics will work... especially the effects on oceans.

    from Swamprat:
    >>No, we don't. Anymore than we can be sure that manmade activities are the cause for "warming". The global warming community likes to use computer models to determine what they believe the outcome will be. They have extrapolated 60 years into the future, a time when most all of us (and them) will be dead, buried and forgotten about.

    disregarding the fact that their models have been off on their assumptions about today, they could try and honestly assess the dynamics of what is going on with the oceans as well, although I suspect that there are far more variables than you can account for in models.

    The only thing we hear from this "community" is that everything from malaria to a hot day in NYC to a Blizzard in Colorado is attributed to global warming. I think that a lot of these speculators are off the hook..
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    The consensus of Euro AND US science is that global warming is happening and that human activity is a major cause.

    Many of us care greatly about 60 years hence. It is one thing to blame greeniers and nutters, and another to make prudent plans with practical steps to deal with the probability of a warmer world... even accepting that we have enormous political and social problems arising from overpopulation and resource depletion. I'll even argue for political systems which some call 'communist' if it works and is freely chosen.

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    The consensus of Euro AND US science is that global warming is happening and that human activity is a major cause.

    Many of us care greatly about 60 years hence. It is one thing to blame greeniers and nutters, and another to make prudent plans with practical steps to deal with the probability of a warmer world... even accepting that we have enormous political and social problems arising from overpopulation and resource depletion. I'll even argue for political systems which some call 'communist' if it works and is freely chosen.
    What consensus? There around 17000 scientists who signed a petition against adoption of the Kyoto Protocol, which, incidentally would do do little to curb the growth in C02 from China and India. Hardly sounds fair, does it? The other factor that burnse senseless about the accord is that countries have to reduce carbon dioxide emissions 10 percent below 1990 levels in 2010. It unfairly penalizes Europe and the United States, although we wisely did not adopt it.(It should be noted that it was voted down in the Senate 95-0 back in 1997, way before Bush took office).


    European car makers are going to have serious issues complying with the regulations, as it will have to produce super efficient (read tiny) cars to make up for all of the large cars it has manufactured to date. Cars like the common VW Jetta could actaully be in danger of extinction unless the European Union modifies the rule somewhat.

    If we in teh United States had to comply with that garbage, we would likely have to cut our energy consumption by 40 percent to account for increases in population the increased distances that we are traveling on our highways today.

    I can't believe that a recent news report let this out: It stated that we may not be able to do anyting about the global warming even if we reduced C02 emissions worldwide.

    If you and anyone else is willing to jump into something like Kyoto, it is you who is taking a risk. You are risking the very comforts of home that you take for granted. Agreeing with Kyoto type agreements and the global warming debate as it is being framed for us will also affect every person in the industrialized world, for something that we can do nothing about.

    I will not take jumping into this lightly. I do not trust the people who drew it up, and franlky view it as an assault on the Constitution of the United States, our freedoms, and our way of life.

    We have had over 40 years of the modern environmental movement. On some issues such as the first Clean Air Act and to a lesser degree CAFE, I agreed with it. On most other issues, I don't. As Americans, we have been able to write the check for the environmental regualtions that we have put into place to date, although it has been increasingly difficult. Cars today now take 6 years to pay off instead of 4. A can of refrigerant costs 7 bucks today versus 99 cents only 20 years ago. As Natural Gas is replacing good old cheap coal for electricity,natural gas has gone up 3 times since 1999. Reason: clean air power plants.

    As long as this keeps going on, the bills will continue to mount. On the other hand, adoptiong Kyoto or any similar accords will increase them to unafordable levels for many.

    One time, I attended a metting aobut reducing NOX and SOX emissions from power plants by 80 percent. back in 2000 at a North Carolina public hearing. I told the largely environmental crowd with a few token reps from Duke Engergy that neither organization has given the consumer an honest assessment of what the costs will be to implement these regulations. Bufoon after bufoon said that it would cost no more than a Mountain Dew soda every month. Three years later, North Carolinians were paying 20 percent more for domestically available cheap coal energy. All thanks to the environmentalists and the regulators.

    Be careful what you wish for. 60 years hence, I think the bigger threat is global communism, not warming.

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