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    Hillary a socialist?

    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070529/clint...nomy.html?.v=1

    Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by chiph
    http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070529/clint...nomy.html?.v=1

    Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.
    I fear her as much as I loathe the Chimp.

    And if she wins, it will be because of The Chimp.

    And she will have unprecedented power at her disposal - again, because of The Chimp.

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    Mom is urging people to vote in the Democratic primary, for anyone but Hillary, so that she won't be on the final ballot.
    (The laws in SC apparently allow anyone to vote in any primary, and the vote is non-binding when it comes to the final election)

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by chiph
    Mom is urging people to vote in the Democratic primary, for anyone but Hillary, so that she won't be on the final ballot.
    (The laws in SC apparently allow anyone to vote in any primary, and the vote is non-binding when it comes to the final election)

    Chip H.
    Unless Gore enters the race, I would bet on a Clinton/Obama ticket....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Unless Gore enters the race, I would bet on a Clinton/Obama ticket....
    And that would be the one way that the Democrats could lose.

    And the election is theirs to lose, make no mistake about it. The press seriously wants a Democrat in office. Why is beyond me, when they're having so much fun now.

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Unless Gore enters the race, I would bet on a Clinton/Obama ticket....
    And that would be the one way that the Democrats could lose.

    And the election is theirs to lose, make no mistake about it. The press seriously wants a Democrat in office. Why is beyond me, when they're having so much fun now.
    It's not just the press. The country is sick unto death of The Chimp and everything he stands for.

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    It's not just the press. The country is sick unto death of The Chimp and everything he stands for.

    Maybe, I think the country maybe more scared for a Hillary/Obama ticket then a Republican!. Although I think the country deserves a Democrat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    It's not just the press. The country is sick unto death of The Chimp and everything he stands for.
    No, YOU are sick to death of it, so you think everyone is. But the polls show that his support is no lower than it has been for several other Presidents that have since been considered very good.

    I'll say it again. The press is having a great time. Listen, for example, to NPR, where every day is just a "how do we beat up on Bush today" episode.

    Once again, you are letting your fairly narrow national exposure tell you that the elephant is like a rope, or a hose, or a tree trunk.

    And if you don't know THAT story, you should get out more!

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    Go Mike!!

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2
    It's not just the press. The country is sick unto death of The Chimp and everything he stands for.

    Maybe, I think the country maybe more scared for a Hillary/Obama ticket then a Republican!. Although I think the country deserves a Democrat
    No "maybe" about it - unless you believe that every poll/opinion sampling is wildly inaccurate and The Chimp's 30-something approval rating doesn't reflect what the country thinks of him and his presidency.

    The country doesn't deserve The Chimp - who has harmed the nation more than any Democrat since LBJ.

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    "No, YOU are sick to death of it, so you think everyone is. But the polls show that his support is no lower than it has been for several other Presidents that have since been considered very good."


    You crack me up.

    Only a true Kool Aid slurper could put a positive spin on The Chimp's approval ratings.

    One, his approval ratings are not only lower than any president since Carter, they've been consistently lower; not even Clintigula, at the height of the Mizz Lewinsky debacle, had worse numbers. And bottom line, the numbers of past presidents don;t make The Chimp's numbers "good" somehow.

    Something like two-thirds of the country is, indeed, sick to death of The Chimp. A fact. My "thinking it" doesn't have anything to do with it. I just hated the idiot SOB much sooner than most other people. But the rest of the country (or most of it, anyhow) has come around to my view.

    Two, your implied "history will judge him great!" comment makes me roll on the floor with laughter... it's of a piece with your even more ludicrous insinuation of Churchillian greatness not yet appreciated. ROTFL!

    Not even Republicans are buying that swill any longer. Have you not noticed that all the GOP contenders for 2008 studiously avoid associating themselves with The Chimp - or even mentioning him by name? It's all Reagan, all the time...

    Let me put it another way: How many people who voted for The Chimp in 2004 now wish they'd voted for someone else? And how many people who voted for Kerry in 2004 (or Gore in 2000) think they made the mistake?

    As an aside: I saw the Iraq war going sour years ago - as you'll recall - at a time when the Kool Aid slurpers were still adamantly insisiting "the media" was preventing the "good news" from coming out about Iraq.
    Few defend that position today.

    As the debacle in Iraq grows worse, not even the remaining Kool Aid slurpers will continue to stand by The Chimp.

    The only thing thta will save monkey man is another terror attack - or an attack on Iran - whcih he can exploit to scare the crap out of the population amid another round of rah--rah patriotic "I'm the Decider!" BS.

    That could very well happen. Rats (and monkeys) are at their most dangerous when cornered.




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    One, his approval ratings are not only lower than any president since Carter, they've been consistently lower; not even Clintigula, at the height of the Mizz Lewinsky debacle, had worse numbers. Something like two-thirds of the country is, indeed, sick to death of The Chimp. A fact. My "thinking it" doesn't have anything to do with it. I just hated the idiot SOB much sooner than most other people. But the rest of the country (or most of it, anyhow) has come around to my view.

    Don't hear you saying anything about Congress, The people hate the congress more than they hate the President. And there numbers have been low since before the last election, and Mike is right if Gore gets into the race, the Democrats will certainly loose

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    " Mike is right if Gore gets into the race, the Democrats will certainly loose"

    What makes you believe that? The fact is Gore beat The Chimp by several hundred thousand votes in 2000; the race was much closer than it was in '04.

    I think Gore's a lot more palatable/electable than a Noo Yoik liberal (and, frankly, a black guy). He is a Southerner and has a great deal of support across the country already. Don't confuse your hopes and biases with the reality of the situation.

    I hope he runs. I would vote for him. I'd never vote for Hillary. Or McCain. Or Guiliani. Or Romney.

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    "Don't hear you saying anything about Congress..."

    When you've lost the argument, change the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    " Mike is right if Gore gets into the race, the Democrats will certainly loose"

    What makes you believe that? The fact is Gore beat The Chimp by several hundred thousand votes in 2000; the race was much closer than it was in '04.

    I think Gore's a lot more palatable/electable than a Noo Yoik liberal (and, frankly, a black guy). He is a Southerner and has a great deal of support across the country already. Don't confuse your hopes and biases with the reality of the situation.

    I hope he runs. I would vote for him. I'd never vote for Hillary. Or McCain. Or Guiliani. Or Romney.
    You would vote for Gore??? The guy who wants to ban the internal combustion engine? Who wants us to cut our carbon dioxice emissions by 80 percent and put us into the Kyoto protocol? A Gore presidency would be a disaster for the country and for anyone interested in driving a car. So would Hiliary, Guliani, and McCain. I don't think that Romney would be quite as bad, although I wouldn't vote for him either.

    A big problem with today's electorate is that they can't think for themselves and rely on people like Oprah, Bill Mahr, Sean Vanity, and Bush Limpbaugh to make their political decisions for them. In this environment of malaise, it even draws people like Eric and possibly myself to choose the lesser of two or three evils (or the evil of lessers). Its really sick. I'm still going to vote my conscience. My vote isn't going to make a hill of beans anyway. For all we know, the election in Florida during 2000 may not have been as close as it was and the election of 2004 may have been stolen by a systematic misreporting of election counts. There is no way of really knowing the truth anyway.

    Back in 1992, I remember the New Hampshire primary. It took them 4 days to establish the final vote totals to give Buchanan 37 percent. The CW that time was that if Buchanan got 40 percent in NH, he would have had the momentum to win the nomination in 1992. Bush's people would use every dishonest, underhanded, verministic (not a real word) and vile trick to undermine Buchanan's candidacy. If the stupid people in the stupid party would have been less stupid and nominated him, Buchanan would have beat Clinton as Clinton only got 42 percent of the vote in that election. I never understood, in the aftermath of that primary, why it took 4 days to count the votes in a penny ante state like NH. What a joke.

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColleenC2
    It's not just the press. The country is sick unto death of The Chimp and everything he stands for.

    Maybe, I think the country maybe more scared for a Hillary/Obama ticket then a Republican!. Although I think the country deserves a Democrat
    What do you propose?

    All-out war? With an enemy based on 9/11? Iran?

    Al Qaeda isn't regilious. It's terrorism.

    Talk to your military top brass... they alone are the measure, and they cannot do ground-war.

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    "You would vote for Gore??? "

    It's a Hobson's Choice... I agree.

    But if the choice comes down to a third Chimp term (via McCain or Guiliani) or that religious nutjob Mitt Romney, then yeah, I'd hold my nose and vote for Gore as the lesser of those evils.

    These right-wing Christians who have become so influential in the GOP creep me out; and I oppose the militarism/secrecy and constant aggrandizement of federal authority as espoused by the current GOP.

    Gore may be a "liberal" (though I think he's more a traditional Democrat) but at least he doesn't believe he's on a mission from God and that Jesus talks to him.

    I'll take a leftie who at least can be reasoned with over dogmatic religious certitiude any day of the week.

    For me, the religious thing has become a litmus test. If the office-seeker is any kind of holy roller (or beholden to holy rollers) he's off my Christmas list!

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    "You would vote for Gore??? "

    It's a Hobson's Choice... I agree.

    But if the choice comes down to a third Chimp term (via McCain or Guiliani) or that religious nutjob Mitt Romney, then yeah, I'd hold my nose and vote for Gore as the lesser of those evils.

    These right-wing Christians who have become so influential in the GOP creep me out; and I oppose the militarism/secrecy and constant aggrandizement of federal authority as espoused by the current GOP.

    Gore may be a "liberal" (though I think he's more a traditional Democrat) but at least he doesn't believe he's on a mission from God and that Jesus talks to him.

    I'll take a leftie who at least can be reasoned with over dogmatic religious certitiude any day of the week.

    For me, the religious thing has become a litmus test. If the office-seeker is any kind of holy roller (or beholden to holy rollers) he's off my Christmas list!
    I agree with Our Fearless Leader on this one.

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    But Colleen wants all out war with Iran.

    It would be good for the family, or something.

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    Re: Hillary a socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    But Colleen wants all out war with Iran.

    It would be good for the family, or something.
    Many right-wing evangelical types believe in "the rapture" - and a soon to be here Apocalypse in which the forces of "good" (read: Christianity) and "evil" (secular humanists, Islamic Arabs, etc.) fight the last, titanic battle. Many of them eagerly await this climactic battle - and look at the prospect of a conflict with Iran as exciting because it might bring about their much-anticipated Jesus Hoover (the "rapturing" of "the saved" into heaven) and the return of Mr. Son O' God himself.

    The Chimp himself is reportedly a believer in this Rapture nonsense; as are many others in positions of influence.

    With these fruitcakes in charge, we have the potential for lunacy on a scale not seen since the Seig Heiling masses of Germany bought themselves an equally insane philosophy (and Fuhrer) some 60 years ago....




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