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    Passion vs. Common-Sense

    Penn & Teller on the hazards of di-hydrogen monoxide. We'd better ban it!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

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    Re: Passion vs. Common-Sense

    Hilarious. And true.

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    Re: Passion vs. Common-Sense

    All these utube things don't work on dial-up.

    While I accept that it's the coming thing, it's not avaiable to those of us who resist ticket-clipper corporations.

    So you will have to explain it to me.

    Write-it-in-English-or photograph please.

    It's as if people who write don't even carry an opinion here anymore, but just refer to some website... perhaps too scared to express opinion freely, when personal opinion is more and more subjugated.


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    Sorry Rob.

    Penn & Teller (the magicians & social commentators) send a woman to a rock concert/festival to collect signatures on a petition that calls for banning di-hydrogen monoxide.

    She says things which are absolutely true:
    "It's found in our reservoirs"
    "It's used in pesticide production"
    "It's found in nuclear plants"

    But unless you realize it's nothing more than good old H2O, it sounds really threatening.

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    >>But unless you realize it's nothing more than good old H2O, it sounds really threatening.<<

    But it is a threat--- Katrina had too much of it! It drowned people, it ruined their homes, it shut down all modes of transportation--- It should be banned! ;D


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    Thanks Chip.

    I'm gonna lie down for the winter aftetnoon. A souwester is predicted [= cold]

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Thanks Chip.

    I'm gonna lie down for the winter aftetnoon. A souwester is predicted [= cold]
    Central heating cured that a century or two ago.

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    >>Central heating cured that a century or two ago.<<

    They don't know from "central heat"--- Think sheep heat---

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiph

    She says things which are absolutely true:
    "It's found in our reservoirs"
    "It's used in pesticide production"
    "It's found in nuclear plants"

    But unless you realize it's nothing more than good old H2O, it sounds really threatening.

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    Thanks Chip.
    And sorry about my Scottish resistance to broadband.

    I agree presentation is everything.
    When will the flyboys around here start apologizing for the CO2 from their aeroplanes? My steam engines are stastitically less damaging to the planet. I can prove it!

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    >>My steam engines are stastitically less damaging to the planet. I can prove it! <<

    Of course they are-- those coal and wood fired steam locos produce nothing but clean air from that black smoke----

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rose
    >>My steam engines are stastitically less damaging to the planet. I can prove it! <<

    Of course they are-- those coal and wood fired steam locos produce nothing but clean air from that black smoke----
    That's like a 'patsy' question in parliament.
    I might not be able to prove every detail, but every time you fly a 747 from London to NZ you burn 500 tons of fuel.

    Thus you are guilty of sin.

    On the other hand when you manufacture goods in China an transport them to the USA you are simply being sensible.

    I'll not agree to a debate about the efficacy of 1950s steam locomotives because the science is not proven.

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    >>I might not be able to prove every detail, but every time you fly a 747 from London to NZ you burn 500 tons of fuel.

    Thus you are guilty of sin.<<

    It's no sin to burn that fuel because the pollution per passenger mile is far less than any other mode of transportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rose

    It's no sin to burn that fuel because the pollution per passenger mile is far less than any other mode of transportation.
    Actually ships are far far more efficient.
    And inland transport ought to be rail.

    Aeroplanes are dirty. Ban them!

    THIS is good transport. Britain was dead-on-its-knees in 1947 but still built this machine.OK. The original design was rebuilt around 1959, but it still had three cylinders, and with a good crew could do almost anything.



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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Actually ships are far far more efficient.
    And inland transport ought to be rail.

    Aeroplanes are dirty. Ban them!
    I actually heard an environmentalist say that essentially air travel should be banned, and demonizing their fuel use now was their first step in that process.

    By the way, the total fuel capacity for a 747 is about 180 tons. I would hope they don't burn all of that on any single flight. They make lousy gliders. Five hundred tons (1,000,000 lbs) is 265,000 lbs over their maximum total takeoff weight.

    The the QEII gets a couple of feet to the gallon of fuel.




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    >>I actually heard an environmentalist say that essentially air travel should be banned, and demonizing their fuel use now was their first step in that process.<<

    Sure-- and give each one of those travelers a car to gridlock and pollute the world.
    http://www.oceansatlas.org/servlet/C...MzPSomMzc9a29z

    That doesn't even touch upon what military fuel burning does for polution!

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    I agree with Dennis Miller who spoke last week on this oil issue, he basically said that they will come up with alternative fuel only when we run out of oil. For now he plans to drive his SUV

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    I almost never agreed with Dennis Miller when he was a smug liberal, and agree with him even less as a smug conservative. I don't think he's nearly smart and clever enough to pull off the whole "I'm so much smarter and cleverer than any of you" schtick.

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    Re: Passion vs. Common-Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Actually ships are far far more efficient.
    And inland transport ought to be rail.

    Aeroplanes are dirty. Ban them!
    I actually heard an environmentalist say that essentially air travel should be banned, and demonizing their fuel use now was their first step in that process.

    By the way, the total fuel capacity for a 747 is about 180 tons. I would hope they don't burn all of that on any single flight. They make lousy gliders. Five hundred tons (1,000,000 lbs) is 265,000 lbs over their maximum total takeoff weight.

    The the QEII gets a couple of feet to the gallon of fuel.



    A return trip by a 747 from NZ to London uses 500 tons of fuel.
    Ships are far more efficient in fuel-use.

    There are many ways to twist facts in this debate, like "CO2 imprint" but I'll relax into my usual ill-informed prejudice. It's much more fun than facts and figures.
    Oh, and JDM, why heat all of a house with central heating when you live in only a part of it. Are you some kind of profligate consumer of rare resources or something?

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    Re: Passion vs. Common-Sense

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rose
    >>Central heating cured that a century or two ago.<<

    They don't know from "central heat"--- Think sheep heat---
    You mean a three sheep night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdm

    You mean a three sheep night?
    Because of your continuing disrespect...


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