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    GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate GM!

    WASHINGTON D.C. (October 9, 2007) ? General Motors (GM) and OnStar demonstrated today a prototype technology that can help OnStar further assist in the safe recovery of subscribers? stolen vehicles and reduce fatalities and injuries resulting from police chases. This new technology, known as Stolen Vehicle Slowdown, is the latest enhancement to OnStar?s stolen vehicle service and can allow OnStar advisors working with law enforcement to send a signal to a subscriber?s stolen vehicle to reduce engine power slowing the vehicle down gradually.

    ?From its inception, the motivation behind OnStar has been the safety and security of our subscribers and others on the road,? said Chet Huber, OnStar president. ?Every service we add builds on this original promise. The Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service will allow our subscribers added peace of mind by possibly preventing their vehicle from being used as an instrument of harm if it happens to be stolen.?

    According to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration statistics, about 30,000 police chases occur yearly and approximately 300 deaths occur as a result of those chases.

    ?Technology should not just entertain us or make us more comfortable, it should make us safer,? said Nicole R. Nason, Administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?We applaud innovations such as the kind GM is embracing that will make our roads better, our passengers more protected and our drivers safer.?

    ?We look forward to having technologies like Stolen Vehicle Slowdown available to aid our officers in apprehending suspected car thieves and keeping our officers, highways and citizens safe,? said David Hiller, national vice president, Fraternal Order of Police. ?Since 1996, OnStar has assisted the law enforcement community by helping to locate stolen vehicles.?

    Powered by OnStar?s newest generation of hardware (Generation 8), GM will make Stolen Vehicle Slowdown available on nearly 1.7 million Model Year (MY) 2009 vehicles. GM?s largest division, Chevrolet, will be leading the way, making up for more than 60 percent of the total vehicles equipped with this new technology.

    ?Chevrolet aims to provide customers with more than they expect, and services like Stolen Vehicle Slowdown continue to add even more value to Chevy cars and trucks,? said Ed Peper, general manager, Chevrolet. ?Stolen Vehicle Slowdown will not only benefit GM and Chevy customers, but virtually everyone on the road.?

    Stolen Vehicle Slowdown is an enhancement to OnStar?s Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance, which the company has offered to its subscribers since 1996. Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance uses Global Positioning Satellite technology to pinpoint the location of a vehicle that has been reported stolen. OnStar provides the location to law enforcement to assist with the vehicle?s recovery. OnStar receives approximately 700 Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance requests from subscribers a month. The company has helped in 28,000 requests over the past decade.

    ?The IAFC sees this technology as an opportunity to improve the likelihood of a positive outcome for all involved in such dangerous road situations,? said Chief Steven P. Westermann, President, International Association of Fire Chiefs. ?On behalf of all firefighters, we appreciate the research and commitment of General Motors to tackle these issues and come up with a safe solution.?

    The process for Stolen Vehicle Slowdown is:

    Once the vehicle has been reported stolen to law enforcement, the subscriber can call OnStar and request Stolen Vehicle Location Assistance. OnStar will confirm the subscriber has not opted out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service.

    OnStar will use real-time GPS technology to attempt to pinpoint the exact location of the stolen vehicle and provide this information to law enforcement to help them recover the vehicle.

    When law enforcement has established a clear line of sight of the stolen vehicle, law enforcement may request OnStar to slow it down remotely.

    Safeguards will be in place to ensure that the correct vehicle is slowed down.

    OnStar then sends a remote signal to the vehicle that interacts with the Powertrain system to reduce engine power which will slow the vehicle down gradually.
    Research has shown that 95 percent of OnStar subscribers want the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service available on their cars and trucks. OnStar subscribers have the choice to opt-out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service at any time by contacting OnStar if they prefer not to have this capability on their vehicle. This will not affect the rest of their OnStar services.

    OnStar?s Stolen Vehicle Slowdown is a GM-exclusive feature in the U.S. and Canada and will be included in the one year OnStar subscription that customers receive when purchasing an eligible MY 2009 OnStar-equipped vehicle. OnStar?s suite of services also includes Advanced Automatic Crash Notification, Emergency Services, Remote Door Unlock, Roadside Assistance, Crisis Assist, OnStar Turn-by-Turn Navigation, Hands Free Calling and OnStar Vehicle Diagnostics. For more information regarding OnStar?s services, please visit www.onstar.com.

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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate GM!

    Why hate them? That will stop those 100 MPH chases that cause accidents and law suits.
    I hope they sell the technology to all mfgrs., nbut if GM has it now, I'd damn sure lean towards buying one of their cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Rose
    Why hate them? That will stop those 100 MPH chases that cause accidents and law suits.
    I hope they sell the technology to all mfgrs., nbut if GM has it now, I'd damn sure lean towards buying one of their cars.
    Because GM is at the cutting edge of Big Brotherism, that's why!

    First, they equipp cars with EDRs and GPS - so the sheep can be kept close track of.

    Next, they fit the cars with built-in immobilizers, so that the sheep can't flee when their time to be shorn arrives.....


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    OnStar will confirm the subscriber has not opted out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service.
    Well, at least you can decline it.
    But I wonder if it can be used by vehicle recovery specialists (repo men)?

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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate GM!

    Quote Originally Posted by chiph
    OnStar will confirm the subscriber has not opted out of the Stolen Vehicle Slowdown service.
    Well, at least you can decline it.
    But I wonder if it can be used by vehicle recovery specialists (repo men)?

    Chip H.
    Of course at first it will be "voluntary." But anyone who doubts the long-term goal is to include this "feature" with each and every new car sold is pretty naive, in my view.

    Of course, in the view of others, I am a paranoiac! :P

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    >>Next, they fit the cars with built-in immobilizers, so that the sheep can't flee when their time to be shorn arrives.....<<

    Well, you do have a choice--- the police are very willing to never chase anyone if the public will condone the crime.
    Picture your car being stolen and you expect a cop to chase the criminal-- he says no because the people don't like car chases-- your ride is history-- GM can't immobilize it because you declined-- so, you are screwed!
    Live with it---





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    "First, they equipp cars with EDRs and GPS - so the sheep can be kept close track of."

    But they only look at it when the car is reported stolen, or if information is requested by the owner, so what's the big deal? In fact, if it works like low Jack, they cannot tell where the vehicle is until it's activated. And it's only activated when it's reported stolen.

    BTW, we added Low Jack to our 2002 Mustang several years ago.

    Besides, if you're not doing anything wrong, why even bother to care who looks?

    -Don-(SF, CA)

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    "But they only look at it when the car is reported stolen, or if information is requested by the owner, so what's the big deal? "

    The big deal is we're galloping toward a police state; we're already a nascent authoritarian one. I do not trust the government, or corporations like GM - they are the natural enemies of freedom, just as religion is the natural enemy of rationalism!

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    "I do not trust the government,"

    Do you trust the average person more than our government?

    "The government is us; we are the government, you and I."
    --Theodore Roosevelt


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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate

    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    "I do not trust the government,"

    Do you trust the average person more than our government?

    "The government is us; we are the government, you and I."
    --Theodore Roosevelt


    -Don Quoteman
    The averge person is far less a threat than the organized force that is the government!

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    You guys keep overlooking something I've called your attention to for a long time.

    Our friends in the insurance industry and safety nannies of every ilk are negotiating with congress to require a 68 mph governor on all trucks. That's easy to do on all trucks manufactured since about 1992. It's a simple computer adjustment. So far, the ATA is agreeable, with some important "side deals."

    The most important one is that the same technology, after it's applied to the professionals and the safest drivers on the road, will be applied to the much more numerous amateurs who actually cause most truck accidents.

    And the real kicker is the advancing work on a variable governor, set by a transmitter on the speed limit signs.

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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    You guys keep overlooking something I've called your attention to for a long time.

    Our friends in the insurance industry and safety nannies of every ilk are negotiating with congress to require a 68 mph governor on all trucks. That's easy to do on all trucks manufactured since about 1992. It's a simple computer adjustment. So far, the ATA is agreeable, with some important "side deals."

    The most important one is that the same technology, after it's applied to the professionals and the safest drivers on the road, will be applied to the much more numerous amateurs who actually cause most truck accidents.

    And the real kicker is the advancing work on a variable governor, set by a transmitter on the speed limit signs.
    ..and you wonder why I'm a technophobe!

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    "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."attributed to Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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    "The averge person is far less a threat than the organized force that is the government!"

    I work for the government. What's so organized about it? ;D

    -Don-

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    will be applied to the much more numerous amateurs who actually cause most truck accidents.
    Like the 80+ year old lady who drove the wrong way onto I-85 in Alamance county? She drove for over a mile before she hit a truck head-on. The truck driver pulled her to safety before the vehicles caught fire.

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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate

    I will not be purchasing another GM vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamprat
    I will not be purchasing another GM vehicle.
    I'm with you; GM seems to be at the cutting edge of cloying, Big Brother-type technology - which it invariably touts as being all about "safety."

    I'm looking for a car, you maggots - not a mobile diaper!

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    "I will not be purchasing another GM vehicle."

    IMAO, you guys worry too much about BS stuff.

    No need to be so paranoid about such stuff.

    -Don- (Reno)

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    Re: GM touts latest "advances" to its On Star black boxes... more reason to hate

    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    "I will not be purchasing another GM vehicle."

    IMAO, you guys worry too much about BS stuff.

    No need to be so paranoid about such stuff.

    -Don- (Reno)
    In my lifetime, I have seen the power of the state (via technology as much as by changes in law) increase dramatically; we have far less individual freedom (esp. freedom to act, to do things without being monitored) than we did when I was in high school in the early-mid '80s. People are also much more submissive today than they used to be - which enables the government (and corporations) to be more aggressive in pushing laws, regulations, precedents (and technologies) in directions that further undermine what's left of our individual freedoms.

    You seem willing to trust the government and corporations. I am not.

    The trend toward authoritarianism is clear.

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    "You seem willing to trust the government "

    I trust the government more than people on the street.

    These days, almost no matter where we are, we can expect a camera is watching us. Such cameras are now fairly cheap and they are at places we would never even expect. I have security cameras at both my houses, inside and out. As I am typing this at my Reno house using one screen, my other screen is watching seven cameras at my SSF house, four outside, where I can see people who have no idea they are on camera. And when I am in SSF, I watch his house the same way. And all movement is recoded 24/7 so I can even see what I missed when I am not at either home, if ever necessary.

    BTW, on my job, one of the few things I do is to check the security cameras for proper operation. They are located on various street corners in all the high crime areas of SF. I only check to make sure that they are working. Normally, only technicians look at them until a crime is reported. Then, the police take a look just for that time. Not much different than my own cameras at my houses, except for that mine get watched more than any for the police.

    IMO, we have more freedom today because of this. IOW, we are more free to walk down the street in the middle of the night because of these cameras. Only the criminals have to be concerned about these cameras.

    IMO, all these cameras are good and increase our freedom, except for the criminals.

    I don't even have a problem with the red light cameras. In SF, they have already been proven to prevent many accidents. They only put these cameras in the most dangerous intersections where many serious accidents have happened because of people blowing red lights. These accidents have reduced to more than half. Besides that, it's clear whose fault such an accident is as the cameras remove most of the guesswork.


    How do you feel about the cameras at teller machines?

    IMO, the more cameras on the street the better. Where I draw the line is when they have them only to make money, as they do in England, to catch speeders. You get somewhere too fast, they mail you a ticket. I agree this is BS, but we are not doing that here in the USA and I hope they don't.

    -Don- (Reno)

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