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    Not gay?

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...=1&oref=slogin

    Anybody here believe this guy?

    -Don-

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...=1&oref=slogin

    Anybody here believe this guy?

    -Don-
    Ah, no!

    What is it with these guys?

    And when will the general public notice the correlation? (Moralizing, "fambly values" tub-thumpers who are rabidly fixated on gays as the incarnation of all that is evil constantly being caught partaking of the same "lifestyle" they fulminate against?)

    And in re the Catholic Church: I have often wondered how it is that people - especially young, about-to-be-married couples - accept the idea of receiving marital advice/counseling from a man who has absolutely no knowledge of normal marital/sexual relations?

    Feh

    Throw them all down the well!

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    Re: Not gay?

    I notice, however, Don, that you haven't mentioned Ahmadinajab and his statement. And, unlike the good monsignor, he's killing them when he finds them.

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    I notice, however, Don, that you haven't mentioned Ahmadinajab and his statement. And, unlike the good monsignor, he's killing them when he finds them.
    What does Iran have to do with this story? What's to "notice" about Don not mentioning it? The story's about a Catholic clergyman and Vatican official caught dabbling in gay stuff. Nothing about Middle East politics in there at all.

    Or did I miss something?

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    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.
    Or so he claims. But what does it have to do with ... Iran?

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.
    Or so he claims. But what does it have to do with ... Iran?
    They don't have homos in Iran, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterdecibel
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.
    Or so he claims. But what does it have to do with ... Iran?
    They don't have homos in Iran, remember?
    Right - but what's that got to do with the story Don posted?

    Bringing Iran into it is to change the topic completely.

    (Sort of like invading Iraq because we were attacked by Islamic fanatics from Saudi Arabia sheltered by a radical Islamic government in Afghanistan!)

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    So, I misread the intent of your message. So sue me!

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...=1&oref=slogin

    Anybody here believe this guy?

    -Don-
    Obviously an undercover agent.

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    I just don't understand why people join churches that they don't agree with. There are plenty of churches that don't have a problem with gays.

    However, I don't even understand why anybody is religious. Why is it so important to some people to have such obvious nonsense to believe in?

    -Don-



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    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    I just don't understand why people join churches that they don't agree with. There are plenty of churches that don't have a problem with gays.

    However, I don't even understand why anybody is religious. Why is it so important to some people to have such obvious nonsense to believe in?

    -Don-

    Much thought and ink has been expended on this... my own view is that it's a combination of things - existential angst/fear of death; a religious upbringing that encourages "magical thinking," the desire for automatic knowledge many of us have... etc.

    I rejected Christianity in my early teens because I found the basic theology unintelligible, contradictory and nonsensical. Judaism is more coherent, but much of the stuff in the Old Testament is even more ridiculous and can't be taken literally - or seriously. Ditto Islam.

    I don't mean to insult anyone's deeply held beliefs, but the fact that a belief is deeply held doesn't make it any more valid in my book. Every organized religion (and its doctrines) I have examined doesn't hold up to scrutiny; you have to suspend disbelief and "just accept" things that make no sense, or which fly in the face of logic and reason.

    That, of course, is the essence of religious faith! :

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    So, I misread the intent of your message. So sue me!
    No litigation necessary - just wondered how Iran was relevant to a Vatican scandal!

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    Re: Not gay?

    By the way, almost ALL intensely-held beliefs will fall in the category of religion and superstition. The belief that socialism will work, if only the right people are in charge, for example, defies all logic, experience, and psychology, and yet is taught as fact in most universities today.

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    By the way, almost ALL intensely-held beliefs will fall in the category of religion and superstition. The belief that socialism will work, if only the right people are in charge, for example, defies all logic, experience, and psychology, and yet is taught as fact in most universities today.
    Certainly!

    Any belief system that requires suspension of disbelief, or which "blanks out" empirical evidence, facts, etc. qualifies as "faith-based" and can only be maintained by dogma and the deliberate exclusion of any potential challenge to its veracity.

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    "The belief that socialism will work, if only the right people are in charge, for example, defies all logic, experience,"

    The statement is true. The only problem is that the "right people" do not exist.

    "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly."
    --Anatole France


    -Don- San Francisco

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    Re: Not gay?

    [quote=misterdecibel ]
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.
    Or so he claims. But what does it have to do with ... Iran?
    They don't have homos in Iran, remember?


    Quote Originally Posted by misterdecibel
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    Ah, I see. I assumed the monsignor was just criticising homosexuals. Instead, he's trying to entrap them.
    Or so he claims. But what does it have to do with ... Iran?
    They don't have homos in Iran, remember?
    Other Iranians say they have more homosexuals than Europe. They just don't admit it. I don't see the thing to be an issue except to US people who are fixated on 'evil empire' stuff.

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonTom
    "The belief that socialism will work, if only the right people are in charge, for example, defies all logic, experience,"

    The statement is true. The only problem is that the "right people" do not exist.

    "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly."
    --Anatole France


    -Don- San Francisco
    Ah, but you see, most religious people believe that the right people DO exist...just not on this earth!

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    Re: Not gay?

    So you believe there is existence beyond perception?

    Thus the world is flat.

    And that there is comfort beyond.
    Eric says
    >>Any belief system that requires suspension of disbelief, or which "blanks out" empirical evidence, facts, etc. qualifies as "faith-based" and can only be maintained by dogma and the deliberate exclusion of any potential challenge to its veracity. <<

    and you reply,
    >>almost ALL intensely-held beliefs will fall in the category of religion and superstition. The belief that socialism will work, if only the right people are in charge, for example, defies all logic, experience, and psychology, and yet is taught as fact in most universities today.<<

    Which is a fine example of how American talk but do not often listen. I judge this to be be a failing. Even if I am wrong.

    Popularism and democracy? Fine in a small community. But stupid in a country where few women can read, and yet you guys try to IMPOSE this on a land barely out of the middle ages, who have all the means of war but none of the mechanism of Western ideas of Statehood.

    With Zaire you leave the anarchy 'free'. With Iraq you want the oil.

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    Re: Not gay?

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg


    With Zaire you leave the anarchy 'free'. With Iraq you want the oil.
    What has New Zealand done about Zaire?

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