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    anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    One of the cars on my list of possibilities for my next car is a used Porsche Cayman S.
    Now, I've always heard horror stories about Porsche maintenance and 300 dollar oil changes. So I wanted to ask around and see if anyone had any REAL experience with these cars. Are the stories true? Or are they just hype?

    And aside from that - anyone ever have/drive a Cayman S? If so, what did you think of it?
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    Quote Originally Posted by damen
    One of the cars on my list of possibilities for my next car is a used Porsche Cayman S.
    Now, I've always heard horror stories about Porsche maintenance and 300 dollar oil changes. So I wanted to ask around and see if anyone had any REAL experience with these cars. Are the stories true? Or are they just hype?

    And aside from that - anyone ever have/drive a Cayman S? If so, what did you think of it?
    I have driven the Cayman and Cayman S; don't even bother with the standard version. It's ok - but unless you're hung up on the idea of owning a Porsche, the price-to-performance ratio's not very impressive.

    The S is much more to my liking.

    Both deliver on the "great handling" - but these days, many much less expensive cars can match that. A Honda S2000, for instance.

    My personal take on Porsches comes down to this: Twenty or thirty years ago, a Porsche or Ferrari was a true exotic in terms of the performance it delivered; not just straight line but also in terms of cornering/braking, etc. Thus, the very high cost was worth it - objectively. You got a very high level of capability for your dollar.

    Today, on the other hand, the capability gap between an exotic like the Porsche and other (often far less expensive) performance cars (such as your Corvette, for instance) is often much less - if it even exists at all.

    You are thus paying more for the status and exclusivity - which is fine, if that's what you're after.


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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    I guess what I'm really after these days is the whole experience.
    I've owned cars for handling (my miata) and cars for power (my camaro and now corvette)

    I want a total package now. Not to sound like a BMW commercial, but I want an ultimate driving machine
    I love the Corvette, but it is still a power car more than a handling car
    I love the Lotus, but it is a handling car
    The Evo is a pretty good compromise, but we've already got one of those

    edit: the maserati GT coupe has also made my list of possibilities
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    I've never owned a Porsche (dad used to have a 356B Coupe) but I've been to the factory twice now to see the museum.

    From what I understand, Porsches are probably the most reliable of all the European brands.
    But when they break, be prepared to pay.

    The owners seem to be divided between the dentists and the enthusiasts.

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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    "I love the Corvette, but it is still a power car more than a handling car"

    In defense of the 'Vette, so far as I have read, the Z06 will keep up with (and pass) just about anything on a road course - icnluding Porsches and Ferraris.

    Reality check: Unless you are an extremely skilled amateur/semi-pro racer, the limits of any of these cars will be much higher than your own. This, frankly, is one of the problems with today's ultra-performance cars in my view. If that sounds counter-intuituive, bear with me...

    It's arguably more fun (as well as more of challenge - and a learning experience) to drive a car close to its limits than it is to drive a car at two-thirds of its limits. But when a car's limits are so much higher than the driver's the driver isn't really testing his own limits - or those of the car - or learning very much about driving, for that matter.

    I write the above based on close to 15 years of being an automotive hack; after having driven virtually every car made during this time - and having had many opportunities to do track days with these vehicles, etc. I have learned more, as a driver, running humdrum cars to the absolute limit of their capability - which helped me to develop a "mental feel" for things you really can't learn any other way - and which you won't learn in a car with limits that are considerably higher than your own - than I would have/could have if all I ever drove were elite-level cars.

    Professional racers will tell you what I just did; on two wheels also. Some of the greatest riders learned their skills not on ZX6s and R1s but on little 250s... in the dirt.







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    Certainly I understand that, and keep in mind that my cars are street cars 99% of the time. I've been to the track a time or two, so I know my way around, but it IS just for the street.

    But I've been disappointed with my cars. My camaro handled like a brick, even on the street. My miata handled like a dream, but didnt have any bottom-end (even with the supercharger I was disappointed). My Corvette has plenty of power, and can certainly outhandle most of the others cars I encounter, but every time I drive the Evo the Corvette's flaws stare me right in the face.

    I want another Evo. Only not an Evo. I want better, if possible. If not, an equivalent from someone else (and not an STi - I just dont like those)
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    "I want another Evo. Only not an Evo. I want better, if possible. If not, an equivalent from someone else (and not an STi - I just dont like those)"

    I think something like an Audi RS6 might be just the ticket... it's EVO-like, but high-end and a helluva car.... ever drive one?

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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    no, but probably too expensive for me (I honestly dont know what those run for, but I'd guess too much)
    I'm trying to stay under 55k
    I could get a Maseratti GT Coupe (02 or so)
    or an S4
    or a used E46 M3
    or an Evo X (if they ever come out, and I like it)
    or a used Cayman S

    and probably some others I cant think of
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    A new/'08 S4 might be good then... $48k sticker with Quattro, stickshift and the 4.2 V-8.

    These are great cars... and versatile, too. The Avant (wagon) rocks... try one out. You might really dig it!

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    No wagons.
    Ever.

    should something happen in my life, and I find myself with a wagon, I want you to do me a huge favor - come out here, and shoot me.

    That said, the standard S4 is quite nice.
    I spec'd one out the other day on their website, and with all the options I wanted I was around 55k... I'd need to knock a few off that to really be happy though.

    My only concern with the S4 is it looks pretty bland. I'm 25, you know - bland seems wrong to me
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    Quote Originally Posted by damen
    No wagons.
    Ever.

    should something happen in my life, and I find myself with a wagon, I want you to do me a huge favor - come out here, and shoot me.

    That said, the standard S4 is quite nice.
    I spec'd one out the other day on their website, and with all the options I wanted I was around 55k... I'd need to knock a few off that to really be happy though.

    My only concern with the S4 is it looks pretty bland. I'm 25, you know - bland seems wrong to me
    Yeah, but you can get away with more. Trust me on that one!

    And in a few years, you won't be 25 - keep that in mind, too.... the closer you get to 30, the more you may begin to groove on cars like the S4 (and be leery of EVOs)!

    It happened to me, too....

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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    I dont doubt that - but I dont keep cars very long. I've had the Corvette for a long time by my standards - I think I've had it about 2 years now.
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    Quote Originally Posted by damen
    I dont doubt that - but I dont keep cars very long. I've had the Corvette for a long time by my standards - I think I've had it about 2 years now.
    In that case, I hope you're leasing!

    The depreciation curve can be steep otherwise...

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    lol nope
    never leased in my life
    wouldnt work out - I modify cars while I have them

    I just accept that any money put into a car is gone forever, and I am never going to see any of it again. That way, if I DO manage to get anything back out of it, it is a pleasant surprise.
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    Damen,

    I have known a lot of Porsche owners over the years. They are fun cars, however unless you plan on doing the repairs yourself, all Porsche's are very costly to own. For instance you can buy a nice 1985 Porsche 911 for a reasonable price in good condition. However if the 5-speed transmission needs a rebuild - you're talking $ 5,000 - 7,000 vs. $1,500 - 1,800 for rebuilding the transmission on your Corvette. You will get nickle and dimed on every little repair. Even oil filters are expensive on these cars. I have always wanted to get a mid 1980s 911 Carrera S with a whitetail however the high cost of parts has kept me away. The best bargain for someone wanting a fast two seater sports car, since parts are reasonable and they are easy to work on (compared to most exotics), and if you need to take it into the dealer the labor cost is the same as a Chevy Cobalt can't say that about most exotics.

    Most people I know who buy new Porsches lease them for 3 years and then turn them when the lease is up. They avoid having to pay for any big repairs and they usually want a new one after three years anyway.


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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    How do you guys feel about E46 M3's?
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    Quote Originally Posted by damen
    How do you guys feel about E46 M3's?
    Any M3 is a helluva car; the thing with used ones is they're invariably thrashed to hell!

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    yeah, but that will tend to be the case with most any car I'd be interested in
    my complaint with M3s has always been price. It drives me crazy that in order to get an M3 in the mid-30's, I have to allow for 50k miles (give or take)
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    any experience with the SMG?
    I always loved the concept, but I've never had a chance to try it out...
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    Re: anyone with experience owning a modern porsche?

    If you are interested in BMW's - one of the best little BMW hotrods (with a very high horsepower to weight ratio) was the older BMW M roadster:




    They are fairly reasonably priced, and you can if you look hard enough find one well taken care of, and garage kept with low miles. They have 315 horsepower with a weight of 3,100 lbs - good for a 1/4 mile of 13.3 seconds bone stock. Put a turbo or supercharger on it and this little BMW could easily get into the 11 second range.

    Here's some more info:

    http://www.silverliningdetail.com/images/754b.jpg

    And if you don't believe me look at what this guy has done with a few modifications to the M coupe version with the same motor as the roadster - he's hitting a 10.775 second 1/4 mile:

    http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M-Coupe-Timeslip-2653.html

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