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    Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens...

    The latest American Research Group polling of how George W. Bush is conducting himself as President, in the eyes of the America people, is an historic, if not an abysmal low, at just 19% overall. An astounding 77% of those surveyed disapprove of Bush?s job performance. A full 79% of those sampled from February 16-19, were critical of how the President was handling the retreating economy.

    Until Bush dipped below the 20% mark in this latest poll by the American Research Group, it was Harry S. Truman, in a Gallup Poll taken in February 1952, who previously held the worst presidential approval rating at just 22%.

    Further demonstrating the dour mood of the country, 78% of Americans, more than three-fourths of the nation, believe the economy was getting worse and 47% are confident the country is in a full-blown recession.

    The near unanimity among registered voters was that Bush was not getting the job done as president. Merely 18% found him to be successful in his duties and 78% gave him a failing mark. In addition, an astonishing and historically all-time low number of registered voters, just 15%, found Bush favorable in his ability to deal with the economic woes the country is currently facing.

    Even amid registered Republican voters, Bush still failed to break through to a majority of supporters with only 45% of Republicans in favor of Bush?s job performance.

    Independent voters matched the sour mood of the country as a whole with only 17% finding Bush to be satisfactory in his job achievements and 75% expressed displeasure for America?s 43rd President.

    Democrats, who have been sharply acrid toward Bush for some time, showed their disdain for his perceived and mounting failures, voiced their undisputed discontent for Bush with 99% finding him unsatisfactory in his job.

    Interestingly, among the disparate few who found favor with Bush?s abilities, only 1% believed the economy would approve with Bush in the White House. A certain sign that even Bush?s most ardent supporters believe he is incapable of restoring the economy from its current somber state.

    Finally, of the 77% of Americans who disfavor Bush?s job as president, a full 85% stated that the national economy was bad, very bad, or even ?terrible.?

    The only optimism shown by those polled, indicated by a margin of 42%, feel the national economy will improve a year from now ? when Bush will be out of office.

    Coupled together with the Federal Reserve?s latest forecast that suggests the economy may weaken further still, with even higher inflation and unemployment rates, it appears unlikely that Bush, with less than a year in office left, will stand any chance of stirring any hope of buoyancy before the next president takes office in January of 2009.
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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens...

    Doesn't this low approval of GWB's "performance" say something about the expectations of the USA populace?

    Also, questions can be framed in such a way that it's almost impossible to give approval.


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    yeah, it says that we HAVE expectations
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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by damen
    yeah, it says that we HAVE expectations
    But it's an heavy burden, impossible, to match democratic populism with executive power.

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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens...

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Doesn't this low approval of GWB's "performance" say something about the expectations of the USA populace?

    Also, questions can be framed in such a way that it's almost impossible to give approval.
    Bush's tenure has been uniquely awful (in modern times). The Iraq war alone is one of the greatest debacles of the past 50 years at least. But the broader reason for the discontent traces to such things as the climate of fearfulness egged-on by the Chimp, the disastrous "free trade" policies he has pursed that have eviscerated our economy, the massive influx of illegal aliens he clearly approved - and the assault on what were once fairly sacrosanct principles of our society, such as the rule of law.


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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    FACT CHECK:

    As I hope you know, ARG is famous for off-the-wall and innaccurate poll results. Just as an example, they missed Obama's result in NH by 27 points, which is amazing for a company headquartered in that state. Some have accused of making up their results from whole cloth. Some of their clients are talking of suing them for being unable to show the validity of their methods.

    As you should know, if you researched this for a moment before you posted it, Bush's poll results have been pretty consistently in low to mid-30's, about the same as Truman's in 1952, and for the same reasons.

    Here's an easy place to check before going off half-cocked again and embarrassing yourself:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    FACT CHECK:

    As I hope you know, ARG is famous for off-the-wall and innaccurate poll results. Just as an example, they missed Obama's result in NH by 27 points, which is amazing for a company headquartered in that state. Some have accused of making up their results from whole cloth. Some of their clients are talking of suing them for being unable to show the validity of their methods.

    As you should know, if you researched this for a moment before you posted it, Bush's poll results have been pretty consistently in low to mid-30's, about the same as Truman's in 1952, and for the same reasons.

    Here's an easy place to check before going off half-cocked again and embarrassing yourself:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
    The only thing that's embarrasing, Mike, is your weak attempt to defend The Chimp - and to soft-peddle the reality that he is loathed by a majority of your countrymen.

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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric

    The only thing that's embarrasing, Mike, is your weak attempt to defend The Chimp - and to soft-peddle the reality that he is loathed by a majority of your countrymen.
    Mike has a point about polls, and the way querstions are constructed. I think the term "loathed by the majority" is not very accurate. Many may disagree with the idea that he has been perfect.

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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric

    The only thing that's embarrasing, Mike, is your weak attempt to defend The Chimp - and to soft-peddle the reality that he is loathed by a majority of your countrymen.
    Mike has a point about polls, and the way querstions are constructed. I think the term "loathed by the majority" is not very accurate. Many may disagree with the idea that he has been perfect.
    Every survey of public opinion shows The Chimp is held in low esteem by large majorities (typically more than 60 percent) of the public. Not one; not a few. Every one. He is - by far - one of the least popular, least-respected presidents in US history.

    How could it be otherwise? This buffoon dragged us into a disastrous and unneccessary war that has been managed with an almost unbelievable incompetence; this is the imbecile who did nothing as the Fed and Greenspan pursued a suicidal (for average Americans) "cheap money" policy that led to the current free-fall in home values, historically unprecedented foreclosure rates, massive instability in the credit and finance markets... the same smirking stumblebum who as recently as a few months ago would not concede there were serious problems developing in the economy... the same moron who has allowed the value of the dollar to plummet as prices rise for Americans on every score from energy to food to credit... who willfully allowed the country to be flooded with 12-20 million illegal aliens, notwithstanding 80-90 percent public disapproval of uncontrolled immigration. Etc. Etc.

    I won't even get into the assault on our basic freedoms this creep has speaheaded. Or the grotesque policies he advocates - including the use of torture as official state policy.


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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    Every survey of public opinion shows The Chimp is held in low esteem by more than 60 percent of the public. Not one; not a few. Every one.
    Yes that is more like it.

    My academic background makes me a bit touchy about statements from polls, but not as touchy perhaps as Mike.

    I kinda missed much of the discussions you had with him.

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    Re: Chimps hits historic low in public approval in latest poll; into the teens..

    Quote Originally Posted by mrblanche
    FACT CHECK:

    As I hope you know, ARG is famous for off-the-wall and innaccurate poll results. Just as an example, they missed Obama's result in NH by 27 points, which is amazing for a company headquartered in that state. Some have accused of making up their results from whole cloth. Some of their clients are talking of suing them for being unable to show the validity of their methods.

    As you should know, if you researched this for a moment before you posted it, Bush's poll results have been pretty consistently in low to mid-30's, about the same as Truman's in 1952, and for the same reasons.

    Here's an easy place to check before going off half-cocked again and embarrassing yourself:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
    You assume one very big assumption that the elections are on the level. Never has polling and exit polling been so off, seems this discrepancy has started with the introduction of Diebold and other electronic voting machines. There's no way to audit these machines and trace back a given vote.

    Back in 2003 Walden O'Dell then CEO of Diebold in a letter to Ohio Republican officials wrote that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President". It's pretty clear what O'Dell meant, a voting machine company that in no way an independent entity could audit the votes its machines report, could easily make sure it's perferred candidate wins an election. No wonder exit polling no longer matchs voting results in these national elections.

    And about Truman, he was a terrible president. Talk to any of the real old timers (people who were adults back in 1952 - January 1953, they'll tell you everyone hated Truman during his last 2 years in office). He wanted to run again in 1952 since he was eligible for to run for one last term, he decided against it because his poll numbers were so low. As for Bush he will go down as the worst president in history due to the massive illegal alien invasion which he fostered, entering the US into the SPP/NAU (by signing the SPP), starting the Iraqi War under false pretenses, killing the value of the dollar which is sinking faster than the Titanic, his phoney war on terror (which is really an assualt on US citizens freedoms and liberties), etc. In his a little over 7 years in office he has destroyed what was left of this country. Are we better off than we were 7 years ago? Everyone by in large would answer - No. That's why Bush poll number are so low.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete
    about Truman, he was a terrible president. Talk to any of the real old timers (people who were adults back in 1952 - January 1953, they'll tell you everyone hated Truman during his last 2 years in office). He wanted to run again in 1952 since he was eligible for to run for one last term, he decided against it because his poll numbers were so low. As for Bush he will go down as the worst president in history due to the massive illegal alien invasion which he fostered, entering the US into the SPP/NAU (by signing the SPP), starting the Iraqi War under false pretenses, killing the value of the dollar which is sinking faster than the Titanic, his phoney war on terror (which is really an assualt on US citizens freedoms and liberties), etc. In his a little over 7 years in office he has destroyed what was left of this country. Are we better off than we were 7 years ago? Everyone by in large would answer - No. That's why Bush poll number are so low.
    Thankyou that explains it quite well.
    Directionless, poor leadership.

    What are the alternatives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric
    The latest American Research Group polling of how George W. Bush is conducting himself as President,
    I'm not inclined to put much faith in any of the polls. The mathematics are always correct but arriving at the data is charcouterie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Thankyou that explains it quite well.
    Directionless, poor leadership.
    What are the alternatives?
    The ideal alternative is get good people to run for office and win who won't be puppets or shills of the elites who run things. However that is easier said then done. Eventually all corrupt regimes and entities bite the dust.

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