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    Rob Heads Into The Wind

    Avast all ye sailors,

    I took a pic this afternoon after Lorna has sustained law and order in the house.

    It's a train...

    freezing headwind,



    so when are you guys gonna run things on coal, again?

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    For what it's worth this is a York-Manchester stopping train with a a 1952-built "Standard" engine, heading into freezing wind in West Yorkshire. about 1959.

    The Ladies Waiting Room fire is going, with someone like 'Compo' from "Last Of The Summer Wine" devising ways to compromise Nora Batty...

    It was taken with a Canon A620 7.1MP camera with natual light and a 60w desk-lamp, the engine is 1:76 scale, 0.8sec delayed release F8 DIN50 auto white balance 20cm manual focus set near full wide angle. Mods with paintbrush tool PSP6.
    The prototype engine was based on the unbiquitous 'Black Five' LMS design of 1934, and is very of the type in a video clip somewhere here recently, except in 1959 most lines were still double track, and there were a lot of fast and slow trains all mixed up and signalling in bad weather was not easy.

    This clip gives a small idea of the intensity of working upgrade in good weather...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulnqaP_cc8

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    This clip shows the astounding idiocy of people who eat fast food, and a ripe local accent...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae0_r...eature=related


    and this even though made rather 'virtual', gives and idea of driving fast trains in Britain... dunno what program worked the images, north from London I think..


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0QY...eature=related

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    and just to add reality,

    this was a fast train of the type which served South England until around 1965-7

    ... it affected some of the kids who didn't care for TV...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u9bwD79LNg

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    JDM you have forced me into this position;

    a reference to a REALLY boring clip, but athe last part shows a steam train making obout 70mph in the night, just south of London, before all this diesel rubbish took over...
    at first it shows a Southern Region train making heavy weather of an ordinary thing, like moving, and you may note has a full restaurant car and service for the discerning... but was asked to haul an heavy train on lines to the West of England in competition with Brunel's lines... in eiether case thet had to build lines up and down over the geograpphy, and the Southern engines as this is had to slog or "run" at hills the track being favourable for 90mph., but the second part of the clip shows approaching London Waterloo via Saliisbury-whatever and signalling was still antiquated, the dopler eccect adds to an ordinary train... which of this type commonly ran 80-85mph on this section, and was probably a little over 70...



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocRIKxdPoqs

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    Actually I have film of such trains in absolute full flight, if you will pardon the expression, raising the dust,
    even in 1965. But I fear I might be over-doing the theme.

    As a kid, though, you couldn't ignore the last fast steam trains in the world; we knew it was ending... it really was impressive as guys who had done the wars and depression sometimes put on a show.. but the work was underpaid and very hard.

    Not many who were the top link lasted more than a few years after retirement; they just didn't have a use... and died.


    Rob


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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    For any who are interested,

    http://mcgavin.no-ip.info/robbie/rob...in_photos.html

    is a sort of draft-working site before I take over the world...

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    I have emoirical proof than NZ has the finest drivers and mechanics in the world.

    A1 racing in Mexico City a recent example.

    Why don't youse people offer more respect? Ireland does alright too. Aussie and thre USA can't do it...

    And you ought to buy more lamb cutlets..

    back to steam...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulnqaP_cc8
    being a repeat, they say GOOD teacher needs to repeat truths... this being a very-well-fettled engine capable of 90+mph being about as good sas it gets from a standing start on 1-in-75... I have BBC recordings of night-time expresses in the 1950s., but above all, this is the basic primer, short of the team skills, and cuppa tea brewing on the backhead of the firebox..
    this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdDbf...eature=related

    being a NZ express engine 4-8-2 coverted to oil-firing (alas) with a fast train on the coast between Blenheim and Kaikoura of the South Island, it show the train running faster than the traffic on the not-visible main highway and than the art of the driver using airbrakes, on, the feathered, and then on again with throttle applied keep the couplings tight.

    It might not be modern, but you won't get much of stram trains at express trains having to slow to go alongside a State Highway, before going through tunnels and leaving the cars behind again...

    a clip of this engine up north, there are about six similar in this condtion still in NZ,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGUZBQX79ck&NR=1


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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    You americans made some useful engines;


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c02IYnQD8Jc&NR=1


    but the second part of this clip shows what we did with a combination of Brit engineering and made trains in 1932-1967 style, with the same sound as that first bit 5MT clip, but with 22 tight tunnels and 12 high viaducts made over 100 years ago some built in the middle of bush miles from any roads, downhill these engine could make in the mid 60mph range. All credit to the Rogets US K class... too.

    See how bipartisan we are? The two Kas were typical overnight on the heavier expresses, and regular on freight until 1966.




    Then they got replaced by this:







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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    You americans made some useful engines;


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c02IYnQD8Jc&NR=1


    but the second part of this clip shows what we did with a combination of Brit engineering and made trains in 1932-1967 style, with the same sound as that first bit 5MT clip, but with 22 tight tunnels and 12 high viaducts made over 100 years ago some built in the middle of bush miles from any roads, downhill these engine could make in the mid 60mph range. All credit to the Rogets US K class... too.

    See how bipartisan we are? The two Kas were typical overnight on the heavier expresses, and regular on freight until 1966.




    Then they got replaced by this:






    ?? Inspired by http://www.philipcoppens.com/easterisle.html

    Or perhaps, "The Little Engine That Could."

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    Interesting view, those Easter Islanders..

    much like US capitalists...

    Not that I would comment...

    How's the US trade balance?

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    This doesn't happen on Easter Island...

    you see, they didn't trade their way to permanent affluence... as we of The Empire do.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkBTeQf1ya8

    these are wicked capitalist privately-operated diesel-electrics mostly of 2,750hp each, hauling coal up the 3% into the 5-mile Otira tunnel where the rear locomotives are modified to breath sufficient air. For export to Japan to make RAV4s...

    I thought would like to know that..

    Here is a US heavy freight, of sorts, halung contaners from Asia to the great US consumer markets...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUYYa...eature=related

    ironically with finished produce from NZ coal.... we won't mention Australia selling its ores and minerals to Asia....

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    Here is the stuff I did or saw regullarly except it is a rebuild of one of the 1939-built streamlined engines made in Glasgow in six weeks from plans,
    here it is near Gisborne, very trcky land and not much traffic the line is barely viable if at all, and this if for the kids of the district;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2UefphErII


    and further down the line in the seriously heavy country where even the roads get washed away...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwiUt...eature=related


    and the same engine from the cab alongside State Highway One, still coal-fired, at someting at the best speeds the track will bear (it used to be over 60mph)

    yes some may have seen it before. Indulge me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pbi5...eature=related

    about halfway the driver applies airbrakes for a bridge limited to under 80km/hr and you see a standard airbrake application... the bridge gets flood damage sometimes and then he keeps cutoff the same and uses throttle to get back up .. final bit he is at Otaki; It's a lot faster than cars can make the trip these days.

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    Here is a US contrainer train being quite spectacular when you work out that it is curled over 360 degrees and a fair bit of climb...

    all Asian produce for America... I guess if car drivers don't see 12,000 containers per day...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NybAD6t1Hag


    or this on the roads...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO1CRpwdHmQ



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    This show American RR stuff brilliantly, but is SO commercial...

    If you ever thought you had a powerful car, get at the throttle of these trains!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUFIwt1Odk0&NR=1


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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    Quote Originally Posted by robmcg
    Here is a US contrainer train being quite spectacular when you work out that it is curled over 360 degrees and a fair bit of climb...

    all Asian produce for America... I guess if car drivers don't see 12,000 containers per day...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NybAD6t1Hag


    or this on the roads...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO1CRpwdHmQ


    For and aerial shot see:

    http://hewgill.com/photo/trips/tehac...erial.jpg.html

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    Re: Rob Heads Into The Wind

    The punters will never understand that, guv'nor.

    They don't understand 12,000 tons on a 1-in-40 with five V12s more-or-less full out in 45C...

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