Is Katy Perry Eeevulll?

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I think we mostly agree on what evil is. Murder. Holding people captive in a geographic area and making them work and play an oversized game of Monopoly against their will until they collapse. That sort of thing.

But what about eeevulll? By which I mean pleasures you personally find repulsive. Are the illuminati inspired rituals and incantations of the likes of Katy Perry really evil in and of themselves?

Why not be honest about who humanity really was. And still is. Some people want to put on a pair of antlers from a newly slaughtered animal and have an orgy. Is that wrong, in and of itself?

Once a woman has had her first period, isn’t she fair game for sexual purposes? Do even her parents have the right to interfere with her choices, provided she can financially sustain herself through joining such rituals and the like?

Katy Perry: Illuminati Priestess Conducts Witchcraft Ceremony in Front of the Whole World.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/katy-perry-illuminati-priestess-conducts-witchcraft-ceremony-in-front-of-the-entire-world

Katy Perry – Dark Horse Live in Grammy Awards

There’s an important distinction that needs to be made between the PTB and the ptb. POWERS THAT BE make others pay for their pleasure using force. That is evil.

Powers that be, that use no coercion, but rather just enjoy irresponsible and rambunctious parties at their own expense. That is merely eeevulll. Probably unwise and self-destructive as well. Even so, doing what is eeevulll must always be kept separate, from what is truly evil.

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  158 comments for “Is Katy Perry Eeevulll?

  1. Tor Libertarian
    January 29, 2014 at 10:55 am

    Why I write exaggeratedly provocative things.

    I’ve never even tried smoking once, but I sometimes write to imply I’m a smoker. This means I lie when I write, but there again I’m doing it for political effect. I also write to be exaggeratedly bigoted, jingoistic, amoral, and many other things.

    Maybe I’m not doing it right, but when I write to offend whites, Americans, Christians, women, minorities, conservatives, classically liberals, and traditionalists, I’m doing it with the best of intentions.

    Ironically, I sometimes fail to take my own medicine when other commenters openly disagree, make light at my expense, call me insane or on drugs, and do other “extreme” things that I let throw me off my live and let live agenda and become irrational myself.

    I’m not as much of a freedom warrior in my day to day life as I’d like to be. It’s far easier to be a keyboard anarchist than it is to be one in my life. Hopefully I’m not being to obfuscatory, and at least some reader will understand what I’m saying.

    I told you so again – L. Neil Smith
    http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2014/tle755-20140126-02.html

    When They Came for the Smokers …
    http://www.lneilsmith.org/niccers.html

    If we don’t start exercising the internet freedoms we have in a muscular fashion, I fear we may just might end up losing them.

    Come on and push the envelope, become outrageously unpopular and an endangered minority within a minority. Hopefully you do it much more coherently and skillfully than I do. It’s for a good cause.

    • Bevin
      January 30, 2014 at 10:24 pm

      Dear Tor,

      My take on Katy Perry and other victims of Beta Kitten Programming?

      Yes, insofar as they are celebrities who influence the sheeple, they are part of the problem.

      But no, they are not the real evil. They are essentially sacrificial pawns of the global elites who convene at Bilderberg, Davos, and the CFR.

      Some of them have some talent. Others have none. Some are sexually attractive, such as Katy Perry. Others are not. To wit, Lady Gaga.

      Overall they deserve pity more than outright hatred. They are another form of cannon fodder. Like the Russian troops forced to charge German machine guns in the Battle of Stalingrad in “Enemy at the Gates.”

      Mankind has a long way to go before it becomes psychologically mature enough to see through the global elites’ mind control, including the Myth of Authority, and for people to assert their individual sovereignty.

      • Tor Libertarian
        January 30, 2014 at 11:10 pm

        Beta kitten might be healthy, if one finds an alpha who is healthy mate. But selling products and ideologies and flooding normal channels with beta kitten noise and not even being aware of it? Not sure how healthy that is.

        I think sheeple need not be an absolute bad, as long as you are aware and give consent to your sheepledom.

        First in 1956 there was the Elvis Cultural Assault. Then the endless British Invasion from 1964 until today. 73 million out of 192 million Americans watched the Beatles at the same time.

        Americans pissed and moaned and clovered about colonialism for years and years. And the colonists decided to take action.

        Now we are enduring the well earned karmic consequences of pissing off ancient nations who know hidden truths and possess fierce powers we have not the slightest inkling about.

        Learn to live and let live, or perish in your folly.

      • PanarchistamericanHelot
        January 30, 2014 at 11:21 pm

        In spite of the influence of the modern day Gutenberg Press (the internet) Bevin wrote, “Mankind has a long way to go before it becomes psychologically mature enough to see through the global elites’ mind control, including the Myth of Authority, and for people to assert their individual sovereignty.”

        In the background meth reluctantly gets out a map of Chile.

        Bevin wrote on the other thread, “As I see it, it may depend on our time frame. What sort of time frame are we most concerned about?

        Are we are more concerned about near to mid term political consensus, or are we more concerned about long term civilizational enlightenment?”

        For myself, I kind of wanted to see liberty in my lifetime, and as Conan The Barbarian might say, “To hell with long term civilizational enlightenment!” …Damn. I can’t afford Chile. …What was that you guys were saying earlier about FUBAR?

        • Bevin
          January 30, 2014 at 11:42 pm

          Dear Pan,

          State of the Union is FUBAR!

          I too would like to see this nation and every other nation have a new birth of freedom.

          But as technical analysts in the stock market know, a stock or the market as a whole must hit a “double bottom” before it rises again.

          http://www.investopedia.com/university/charts/charts4.asp

        • methylamine
          January 31, 2014 at 12:24 am

          In the background meth reluctantly gets out a map of Chile.

          I don’t know. Honestly–I just don’t know. Because they’re playing for the whole world this time. The OECD has its tentacles into Chile already. It’s a global sickness, brought on by the sickest of the sick, the most inbred, the most fully evil psycopaths who’ve interbred among themselves for so many generations it’s hard to imagine they’re fully human anymore.

          Again, I remain an optimist long-term. We can see the pendulum swinging, but each time it resets a little further toward freedom.

          Are we at the bottom, maximum velocity toward evil and tyranny, but not AT the apogee of evil and tyranny yet?

          And when we get there, how long will it dwell?
          I don’t feel like I’ve actually suffered so of course I wonder if I’ve paid karmically sufficient to atone…and by extension, I look around at the gape-mouthed fucking sheep around me and I know they haven’t suffered…and so haven’t earned the redemption, either.

          No, liberty comes after tribulation. And tribulation is just barely beginning.

          Why the hell do my innocent children have to suffer it?

          And THAT is the one factor that might yet make me pack my weapons and gold, and GTFO of the center of the coming holocaust.

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 8:02 am

            Hi Meth,

            I, too – as you know – have agonized over the “stay – or go” thing.

            I have concluded that going will not accomplish much, other than delay what may be inevitable.

            And at great cost, both personal and professional (as well as financial).

            The most pragmatic solution may just be to discreetly retreat within the U.S. To scale down, move to a very rural area, keep a low profile… and wait.

      • methylamine
        January 31, 2014 at 12:17 am

        Beta kitten–exactly, Bevin.

        What she’s doing IS evil. It is evil because her target audience are not mature enough to decide for themselves if those are behaviors that are conducive to a good life.

        She’s a pied piper. Damn the stupid parents who let their little girls marinate in this garbage.

        If this were between consenting adults, fine.

        But it’s not. It’s forced onto the national stage by heavy influence from the Ford, Carnegie, and other foundations–they subsidized, for example, gangster rap via MTV. The Tavistock Institute are masters of this.

        It’s designed to destroy the culture; it is undeniable that promiscuous youths fail in life at a far greater rate than their prudent colleagues. The PTB know this.

        Morality need not be religiously based to be true; there are universal truths, and it is universally true that giving oneself over to carnality at the expense of self-discipline leads to suboptimal–or wrecked–lives, especially when it begins young.

        So yes–Katy Perry is evil, and the people behind her are unspeakably evil–because they’re wrecking society consciously, purposefully, willfully, maliciously for their own material gain, their own power, and most evil of all–their own gratification.

        • Bevin
          January 31, 2014 at 1:11 am

          Dear meth,

          Maybe. Maybe.

          I feel strongly about some issues. Whether beta kittens are evil per se?

          Not so strongly. But I see your point.

          “Again, I remain an optimist long-term. We can see the pendulum swinging, but each time it resets a little further toward freedom.”

          You and I have both pretty much upheld this view of ongoing political evolution. I think the historical record bears this out, clearly.

          Of course, there is the question of how much grief we are going to have to endure in the process. Will it consume some of the best years of our lives? Possibly.

          There are some upsides though. As free market financial consultant Michael Malone points out, the grim reality also offers an historic opportunity for wealth creation in precious metals. One that has NEVER presented itself in all of human history.

          The Greatest Opportunity In The History Of Mankind – Mike Maloney

  2. Tor Libertarian
    January 29, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    What is the State of the Union? #SOTU

    http://imgur.com/IoV5ODI

    • Bevin
      January 30, 2014 at 9:46 pm

      Dear Tor,

      The state of the union, as they liked to say in “Saving Private Ryan,” is FUBAR.

      • Tor Libertarian
        January 30, 2014 at 9:57 pm

        Yupp. Forcibly united beyond all reason.

  3. Phillip the Bruce
    January 29, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Given the increasingly early onset of puberty (due to hormones fed to the animals we eat?) I think we have to give some consideration to the feeling of the parents in their concern for the welfare of their daughter. Not sure where we draw that line.

    • Shoal Creek
      January 29, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      Hormones in animals are becoming more rare. Besides, those hormones will usually increase testosterone, not estrogen, which would lead to earlier puberty in boys, not girls. Instead, we are getting later onset in boys and earlier in girls. Thus, we need to look at estrogen-producing foods. The answer is fairly complicated. It most likely can be traced to several sources, including pesticide residues on fruits/vegetables, overuse of soy-based products, overuse of aspartame and other sugar substitutes, long-term ingestion of phthalates/plastics, and an increase in general body weight of young girls (female puberty will seldom start until body-fat percentage is above a certain level, which is why girls naturally plump up a bit right before puberty).

      • Phillip the Bruce
        January 29, 2014 at 3:59 pm

        Thanks for the info. I have heard of phyto and pseudo-estrogens. Whatever the cause, it doesn’t change my point.

  4. Shoal Creek
    January 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm

    Wow! You touched on the essence of something few ever recognize in their whole lives. Satanism vs. Luciferianism. Satanism is eeevulll. From a Christian viewpoint, it is dragging souls to hell one at a time, each one making their own choice to go without forcing others to make the same choice. This is what Katy Perry was doing, from a Christian viewpoint. She was committing herself to Satan.

    OTOH, Luciferianism, which worships political/military power (and has an extremely small number of true members but an extremely large number of half-knowing or unknowing disciples), is EVIL. It is the worshiping of government. It goes by many names, but the most concise is “statism.” It is using the force of law and the force of a gun to coerce large numbers of people into hell. The SOTU address was the Luciferian version of the ritual that Katy Perry did. It was the Luciferian mouthpiece committing “us” and “we” to doing things that governments and individuals have no business doing.

    • Phillip the Bruce
      January 29, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      Not sure where you come up with this distinction between Satanism and Luciferianism. Linguistically, Satan is the transliteration into English of the Hebrew word for ‘adversary.’
      Lucifer, derived from the Latin word for light, is the personal name generally ascribed in Scripture to that adversary, based on him being an angel of light who fell to pride, wanting to be equal with God.

      • Shoal Creek
        January 31, 2014 at 3:08 am

        It’s easy, as they are two different religions that both worship Lucifer, just as Roman Catholic and Southern Baptist are two different religions that worship Christ. Their methods and requirements for membership are very different.

        Anyone can join the Satanist religion. They are not exclusive and many people who join are also members of other religions, including Christianity, although the people usually keep their Satanic beliefs as hidden as possible. Many professional entertainers are already members of Satanism (sometimes called “The Occult,” with a capital O). These are the ones that cast curses on others and perform weird rituals, mutilate cattle, and play with Ouija boards. They have very little political power as a group and prefer to stay as hidden as possible, with a few exceptions for someone to publicly proclaim their allegiance to Satan, as it appears Miss Perry did at the Grammy awards. They convince one soul at a time to join them.

        To join Luciferianism, you must either be born into it or recruited after you have hit a certain level of political power. Luciferianism is an exclusive religion. You cannot be a Luciferian and religious with another group at the same time. As Lucifer is a liar, so are Luciferians. Sometimes they will claim to be members of some other religion, but their heart is for the furtherance of Lucifer’s goals on the earth. With this goal in mind, they seek economic, military, and political power (in that order). Luciferians tend to be very secretive about their religion, but there is a group in New York (a non-profit NGO) that is all about furthering the Luciferian image (website lucistrust.org). Whether the people who run or founded the Lucis Trust are actual Luciferians, I don’t know. I do know that they are at least cheerleaders and recruiters for the Luciferians.

        • Tor Libertarian
          January 31, 2014 at 3:40 am

          Please scroll to the end of the article.

          Katy “I kissed a Girl” Perry performs at Obama’s inauguration. She says she “sold her soul to the devil” to become a star.

          The Illuminati control the mass media and use it to induct us into their Cabalist nightmare.

          We become what we contemplate: violence, greed, lust (pornography,) homosexuality,and the occult. Art and entertainment are designed to remove us from historical reality.

          Does anyone believe the Oscar nominated Lincoln, written and directed by Illuminati Jews, tells us the true story? The real story, mankind’s possession by a satanic secret society, is never told.

          Mass media-control allows them to perform their Black Magic : Conjure wars, demolish iconic skyscrapers or murder children.

          Confessions of an Ex-Luciferian Jew – H. Makow
          http://henrymakow.com/confessions-of-a-luciferian-jew.html

          - Another article with interesting philosophical implications. Contemplation of provocative writings is not meant to imply agreement or advocacy.

          The artist against the system – J. Rappoport
          http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/25/the-artist-against-the-system/

          Whatever his medium, the artist stands outside the group and group’s slogans.

          If the group is living in Tuesday, he is living in Friday.

          He sees invention everywhere, even in the faces that float by on the street. He sees their theatrical roles and the messages that are written on their lips before they speak.

          He sees the preposterous crises that are concocted to lead to revelations that never come. Populations walk through one gate after another, deeper into an internal slavery that knows no limit.

        • Shoal Creek
          January 31, 2014 at 3:49 am

          Luciferianism has been founded and re-founded many times and in many cultures in the history of the Earth. The way you can tell that Luciferians have a strong foothold where you live is that there are mysterious deaths whenever someone with any sort of political or persuasive power starts to do something that would harm the power of the Luciferians in charge. E.g. Lincoln killed after beginning to initiate actions that would fully restore the Constitution after the Civil War (which was fomented entirely to ultimately destroy the Constitution) or Kennedy assassinated just after declaring that we were going back on the gold monetary standard or Vince Foster mysteriously committing suicide or Michael Hastings’ car careening out of control just before he’s about to publish a politically groundbreaking story or Andrew Breitbart suddenly dying of a heart attack for the same reason, etc. The Luciferians may not have even been directly involved in any of these, but they hold enough power that any of these could have been ordered by them (and they do like to make their murders look like something else).

          Clues to research: who founded the Republican party, where did these people immigrate from, and why were they coming here? What famous politically motivated murders have occurred throughout the Earth’s history and what were the results of these murders?

          • Tor Libertarian
            January 31, 2014 at 3:58 am

            Do those type of things still happen?

            Barack Obama’s high school cannabis dealer beaten to death by gay lover in argument over Flatulence
            http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/barack-obamas-high-school-cannabis-3090974

            Yes, I guess they still do, looks like you’re spot on Shoal Creek!

            Holy Lucy(fer) in the sky, with (neon light) diamonds! I live in Las Vegas, Nevada.

            Bobby Kennedy had initiated some actions against the Las Vegas gambling scene…
            http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=bobby-kennedy-1968

            It’s important to know whether Robert Kennedy was killed because of a muddled young Palestinian with a political grudge, or because powerful interests in America didn’t want him to be president…
            http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/Who_Killed_R_Kennedy.html

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 7:06 am

            I’m no big fan of RFK, but imagine the world that might have been:

            Had he not been killed that night, it is a near certainty he would have been the Democratic nominee for president and soundly beaten Nixon, whose political career would have been over at that moment. No Watergate – no HMOs. No Gerry Ford, no Jimmy Carter.

            No Ronald Reagan, probably.

            The entire course of American history would have been very different.

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 7:15 am

            Hi Shoal,

            They don;t even necessarily need to kill you. They can also just kill your career. Like throwing a switch. I saw it happen at first-hand.

            It helped awaken me to the true nature of the system – and how pervasive its control really is.

  5. MoT
    January 30, 2014 at 3:05 am

    I don’t have to watch any bizarre ceremonies conducted over the idiot box to know that Katy and Co. are EEEeevvvuulll. She and a gaggle of others over the years are all from the same coven of crap. Whatever spirits that may exist in the universe I do hope and pray that they banish these witless wonders to hell.

    • eric
      January 30, 2014 at 7:50 am

      I regard them as being in poor taste rather than evil!

      Some are also bereft of talent; they can’t sing and they are not musicians.

      Not all, but many.

      • Tor Libertarian
        January 31, 2014 at 3:49 am

        She’s not quite evil enough. Well it’s true. She’s quasi-evil. She’s semi-evil. She’s the margarine of evil. She’s the diet coke of evil; just one calorie, not evil enough.

        Doctor Evil on Jerry Springer

        What’s brilliant in this Austin Powers scene is all the levels of evils within evil. KKK. nazis. world dictators, dishonorable son, bad father, violent racists, fallen mayor cum sleazy talk show king, evil destructive products being pounded into your head by lying actors who pimp terrible sponsored products in the dialog: margarine, jerry springer show, diet coke.

        Truly they are the doctors of evil!

        • Bevin
          January 31, 2014 at 5:04 am

          Dear Tor,

          Dammit! I was going to post that Austin Powers video, but you beat me to it!

          Also, Katy Perry, evil or not, is HOT! A bona fide babe.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 5:30 am

            Bevin wrote, “Also, Katy Perry, evil or not, is HOT! A bona fide babe.”

            No way. She’s ok. You’re just a sucker for cleavage and fancy dress, imho. Dr. Evil would have you spell bound and facing a laser in no time flat. Mang, you’re smart, but very weak. We’ll have to keep an eye on you. … In case we have to throw you a rope or something?

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 6:52 am

            The interesting – to me – thing about so many celebrity females (Katy Perry is a good example) is that they’re so ordinary.

            She (and Miley Cyrus, to give another example) are shopping mall common. Go to a big mall in any fairly large city and you’ll see dozens just like her – or better. If you took away their celebrity, most people wouldn’t look twice at them if they saw them out walking around. They’re not unattractive; but they’re also not stunners. They’re nothing special.

            They are products, manufactured for public adulation. It is the hype – the saturation coverage – that makes them “hot.”

            Not them as such.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 5:35 am

            You’re worse than James Bond, Bevin!
            He was always a sucker for cleavage.
            That would Never happen to me… I can resist those fine lines… that supple arch… the blend of color and… oh, what were we talking about? …

            http://www.007james.com/articles/list_of_james_bond_girls.php?gclid=CP-h1aGOqLwCFUUV7AodSl4AyA

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 6:48 am

            I can resist a hot girl easily if she’s vapid, a Barbie. I’d rather just go beat off than spend even 5 minutes with a lowbrow of either sex, but with women it’s even more intolerable. I mean, the type who rely solely on their looks to carry them through life and expect – usually with good reason – men to just fall all over themselves because they have a great body, etc.

          • Bevin
            January 31, 2014 at 5:37 am

            Dear Pan,

            I confess! I’m weak. Dammit, I’m weak.

            Mea culpa. Mea maximu culpa!

            Why, why, why?

          • Bevin
            January 31, 2014 at 5:41 am

            Dear Pan,

            Yeah, what were we talking about anyway? Damned if I can remember. My mind’s a complete blank.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 6:14 am

            Yes, Bevin. Our friends will have to help us out. I can see that now. Or else It will be the downfall of liberty.

            WFD!

            Seriously, why doesn’t the bastard PTB just send us a briefcase of cash delivered by a Bond girl? Don’t they think we’d just throw in the towel?… A million Dollars!? Plus the Bond girl!? …And we still get the opportunity to bring them down?
            What’s not to like? …Ok, I see why they don’t do that.

          • methylamine
            January 31, 2014 at 11:42 am

            @Eric–They are products, manufactured for public adulation…

            Exactly so!

            And as for your comment regarding the auto-tune boxes and the talentless “talent”–just so, again.

            This is NOT some “back in my day we had real music…” codger-talk. This is fact; few of these singers can stand on their own acoustically against the talents that rose organically before.

            I’m constantly reminded of that scene in 1984 when Winston is looking out his window at the plebe washing her clothes….humming tunelessly to the latest machine-generated pop song.

            Just so, Winston.

        • eric
          January 31, 2014 at 7:13 am

          Yup!

          Something that’s always been curious to me about the modern mindset is the way it treats vices as worse than outright evils.

          People, for instance, get really upset about gay marriage – a harmless thing as such – while breezing right over state sanctioned mass murder (e.g., our various “freedom” operations as in places such as Iraq) and, of course, legalized plunder.

          The violence that suffuses this society is hardly even remarked upon.

          But vices are persecuted mercilessly.

          • PanarchistamericsnHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 7:22 am

            eric wrote, …”But vices are persecuted mercilessly.”

            Yes. I noticed too. And have no answer. Other than, bastards.

  6. Tor Libertarian
    January 30, 2014 at 6:34 am

    I sat through the Grammys with my family, but it didn’t hold my interest for even a minute. I found it to be comical for the most part, its seems to be the typical mind rot that everyone watches nowadays.
    - -
    I didn’t watch the video in any meaningful way either. I pushed play, but it might as well have been depicting static or a test pattern for all I could glean from it.
    - – - -
    As far as age of consent: Why not raise the age of consent for men and women to 30 years old? That way people will learn to work and will already be wiser before they take on the responsibility of relationships and physical intimacy. If 18 is good, then 30 is better, right?
    - – - – - –
    The Vigilant Citizen website does a great job of parsing and explaining all the symbolisms and hidden messages.

    2014 Grammy Awards: Still Pushing the Illuminati Agenda
    http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/2014-grammy-awards-still-pushing-illuminati-agenda/#idc-cover
    - – - -
    About Vigilant Citizen’s Author:

    I’m a man in his early 30′s and happily married. I was born and raised in Canada, I love hockey, playing the guitar and old school video games. I was born into a Catholic family but, since I do not identify myself with the man-made institutions and dogmas surrounding religious denominations, I today simply consider myself as “Christian”.

    This website is however not about religion but about an objective analysis of the symbolism and messages found in popular culture. Since mass media pushes the same agenda and values across the world, the information on this site should be useful to all, regardless of age, sex, ethnicity or religion.
    - -
    The Grammys empire celebration is the same type of celebration that has been around since the Mesopotamian civilization of Sumer emerged over 8,000 years ago.

    There are superficial changes, but all in all the year is really 8014 not 2014, and everything is the same as it ever was.

    Ubaid, Sumer, Akkad, Assyria and Babylon civilizations all emerged and flourished around the Tigris-Euphrates. Their symbols are the same ones we still use. I’m sure they had their version of the Grammys, and a Katius Perrius of course.

    This imagining of Lagash, Sumer, looks a lot like our cities today.

    Mesopotamia & the Fertile Crescent
    http://www.stretching-it.com/worldculturesclass/quicklessons/mesopotamia_land-of-empires.htm

    • MoT
      January 30, 2014 at 5:04 pm

      Vigilant Citizen actually opened my eyes to some rather disturbing videos. One, which off the top of my head I can’t pinpoint, was rather shocking. It’s all out there in front of you if anyone pays any attention.

    • Bevin
      January 30, 2014 at 9:43 pm

      Dear Tor,

      VC puts it well.

      “I was born into a Catholic family but… do not identify myself with the man-made institutions and dogmas surrounding religious denominations… ”

      In other words, he does not incessantly invoke Biblical authority but concentrates on exposing the NWO.

      This is how the internal controversy over religion within the pro-liberty camp can be minimized. Keep person religious beliefs out of the discussion, and concentrate on politics instead.

      Ron Paul does this. He does not incessantly inject his personal Christian tenets into his speeches. Instead he offers secular arguments for liberty.

      • Tor Libertarian
        January 30, 2014 at 10:10 pm

        Yes, don’t invoke any illegitimate authority. People are domain blind, and fail to see how the argument against forced authority also has wide implications for the traditional roles of religious institutions.

        I can’t recommend this encyclopedic article high enough for anyone not in a monarchical country.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentry

        Cleric, Knight, and Peasant archetypes represent the virtues of prudence, fortitude and temperance. In Classical antiquity and Christendom, prudence and fortitude were seen as the cardinal virtues that should govern society

        After the Reformation, intermingling between the noble class and the often hereditary clerical upper class became a distinctive feature in several Nordic countries.

        After the fall of the Roman Empire in the 5th century, there emerged no single powerful secular government in the West, but there was a central ecclesiastical power in Rome, the Catholic Church. In this power vacuum, the Church rose to become the dominant power in the West.

        Cardinal Virtues and the like are subjective not scientific
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_virtues

  7. Tor Libertarian
    January 30, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Typical American Clover – he maintains his belief in the law regardless of the reality in front of his eyes. No need think or observe, just follow the rules and stay in your lane and all is well. Until one day its not.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=12c_1391015033

    Crazy Russian Clover – he has abandoned belief in nearly everything. He has had his fill of the laws of man, and the laws of physics even. No need to worry about anyone else, a real man knows life is a game of chicken, and the other guy will always blink first, Until one day he doesn’t.

    Are these clovers evil? Or eeevulll? Or something else?

  8. Tor Libertarian
    January 31, 2014 at 1:27 am

    For those who know Katy Perry is evil. Not the ones just writing for argument’s sake, but the ones who believe it deep in their heart, just as sure as they know the sun rises in the morning and sets in the evening. (it doesn’t in point of fact from nearly any randomly chosen reference point in the solar system)

    Well that leaves out almost everything, now doesn’t it. A wide puritan road of ruin really,if you follow the path to its conclusion. Illuminati music is evil, breakfast cereal is evil. Orange juice is evil. Leather couches are evil. Sleep number mattresses are evil.

    Newspapers, TV news, much of our modern distraction culture and debilitating luxuries are horribly evil and by that line of reasoning, our society has been rotted out and left hollow long ago. Yet here we all are.

    All the products that require advertisement are probably evil to one degree or another. But that truth is only a natural philosophical truth, and not a scientific fact. Which is a huge distinction.

    I take comfort, that we are evolved enough to allow fools to persist in their folly. Because, I for one, sometimes enjoy a bit of folly.

    I have no idea what Katy Perry has done or will do to my family. It’s like trying to describe a Picasso to a man who has been blind all his life. Their real thoughts are beyond my reach, hurriedly sent to each other on Apple iphones, which I want nothing to do with personnally, I prefer my dumbphone. And I prefer giving other life forms as much space to breathe as they need.

    I don’t lecture oak trees and thistles on how to grow. All the sermons in the world aren’t going to make a thistle into an oak tree. All the degenerate ribaldry in the world won’t turn an oak tree into a thistle. Both have their soil, and both bear their fruits in their own ways, I believe.

    I was well provided for my entire life, and well prepared to succeed. But never once, did I receive any direct guidance of how to act or what to watch, except as far as what I did around others.

    Please Spank Your Kids – Joe the Plumber
    http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/please-spank-your-kids_01292014

    Joe says:
    “Some parents would look at me and you could see the shame, while others really didn’t care and no, these weren’t bad parts of town. In fact it was quite the opposite – these were middle class, upper middle class and down right rich neighborhoods. Also from what I saw it was more white collar than blue”

    I’m with those that don’t care. Why would I let others define me or my family? Why would I care what my plumber thinks of how I raise my kids? Of my neurosurgeon for that matter. I’m also one that finds this article compelling and well worth exploring, from a natural philosophical perspective.

    It’s a long and winding road, but I think I might finally be home. Learning to LALL(live and let live) and LOL. Anyone that tries to tell someone else how to live, is someone to be respected to their face, and then promptly laughed at and made light of once they’ve gone.

    I find it anathema to spend too much time around people who are sure of what’s right and healthy for others. But I do love to visit, especially when I can do so virtually and somewhat anonymously. Maybe in the future I will have enough tolerance to live among the righteous noble gentry for real. But not today.

    DTSP(damn the stupid parents), I’m not helping to build that bandwagon, but I am quite interested in learning its mechanical specs. I’m interested in proof that it even is really a better bandwagon. Arguments from tradition or consensus aren’t convincing.

    Maybe Katy Perry will die young and have difficulties later in life. That is just another way to live, as long as you’re not part of a gang of thugs trying to make everyone else live that way too.

    I don’t know anyone here in a real sense. But I do get to know some of you in a straw man sense. So please don’t misunderstand, believers in evil and eeevulll, I am only speaking to the strawmen in my mind, I have no doubt I would be wildly mistaken were I to assume what you or anyone else is saying.

    Perhaps TSPTDs(the stupid parents that dominate) won’t live as long as the enlightened mature parents, but I for one could care less. I’ve not only abdicated that role, I’ve sold the throne itself at a garage sale long ago.

    Pointer-outers of flaws of Katy Perry may be 100% right as far as natural philosophy goes. But when useful wisdom oversteps the domain of natural philosophy, into the realm of science and righteous science, well… now you’ve stretched something useful so hard that it’s broken I would argue.

    I’m not fighting the PTB, I’m playing the role of the insurgent. I seek only not to be defeated by the PTB. That is enough.

    I think I would go live in the woods, rather than live among men who know Katy Perry is evil, and demand I think that too. But I don’t think anyone here is doing that.

    It’s not something I would expect to read in a Tom Paine pamphlet, the Katy Perry Crisis, so it must not be something I should care about.

    What could be more even more evil than TPTB? The more moral, mature, and healthy new and improved PTB? Yuck!

    The sin of Katy Perry, if there is one, is that she is part of a monopolistic influence, IMHO. Only to the extent that she is successful in supplanting our current absolutes with less beneficial absolutes is she evil.

    Natural Philosophy affords nothing the authority of absolute truth. Only Science seeks to do that. I only believe in lower case science, which is anything that yields new technologies and understandings, that others can take or leave in peace. I’m throwing Science in the woods with Christianity as we speak.

    • PanarchistamericanHelot
      January 31, 2014 at 2:02 am

      wELL, Tor. Could we agree, “Long Live free range children!”? And, adults, too?

      Also, I’m with you on throwing Science in the woods. Christianity, not-so-much. Along the lines of what Gandhi reportedly said, “I love Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike Christ.”

      One other thing, what’s evil about the sleep number mattresses? i haven’t heard that one before. Should I be concerned, or is that Really a better way to get a good nights rest and that’s why it’s so denigrated?

      …Back hurts like you would not believe. Maybe that’s why I didn’t burst eric’s bubble earlier and tell him there are instances in chemistry where 2+2 does Not equal 4?

    • PanarchistamericanHelot
      January 31, 2014 at 2:10 am

      Heck, I forgot to add (Ha! add). There are even instances where my chicken farmer tells me two chickens, plus one chicken, plus one chicken with only one leg, equals four.

      Ya, sure 2+2=4, how-freaking-ever…

      Oh, wait a minute, this isn’t the ‘I’m Not A Christian, But…’ blog entry. People might have no clue what I’m talking about?

      Oh well. Did I mention it’s 30′ degrees outside? Isn’t that great! I was getting a bit tired of -40 below.

  9. BrentP
    January 31, 2014 at 2:31 am

    Manipulating people knowingly through mass media is indeed evil.

    But Perry specifically is likely someone doing what she was told would lead to her personal success. That’s how the system works. Those who want certain ends use their economic and political power to decide what behaviors will lead to success. Most people then adopt these behaviors.

    Sociopathic corporate behavior isn’t something most people naturally do. But it it is probably unusual to find people will not do it when that is the behavior that leads to personal success. People accept this so well that they can’t even see it. I see it. I’ve met people who are fundamentally decent people but in an all too typical corporate world they behave like sociopaths for their personal success. I have watched the internal conflict age them, visibly harm them physically. They choose to put aside their basic decency to get ahead.

    I have no idea what sort of person Perry is inside. If what she does is just an act or something she believes in. For the people watching and not watching it doesn’t really matter which it is. Either way it serves the agenda of those she seeks to please to get ahead in her own career.

    • Tor Libertarian
      January 31, 2014 at 3:19 am

      1 fully agree. that was the first omission that came to my mind after posting the comment. for some reason, I always know better what I wanted to say after I’ve posted something irreparably. But that might be what most defines a human life. Each one is uniquely irreparable. In ways both bad and good.

      1B one solution in my mind would be an interface overlay service anyone could subscribe to on Earth. Into this service, all the broadcast media would enter. What would come out would be whatever you personally chose to view. Also, private individuals could post content to the broadcast satellites.

      This would mean all the world media would be at your command. Similar to how the internet works. That way, you could better avoid the PTB attempts to pigeon hole and compartmentalize your minds.

      2 I think Americans are purposely being assaulted in a media war. It is causing great havoc. Boobus lacks the capacity to see it for what it is. It’s like trying to explain the internal combustion engine to an African goat herder.

      The Sirens – Go to Sleep Little Baby – O Brother Where Art Thou

      2B We are each of us Odysseus and must each circumnavigate or else congregate with the sirens as we will. And accept the consequences of our actions.

      3 If it comes down to being a sociopath or an autopath, choose the former and take care of yourself first. There is no NAP duty to society anyway, so one’s influence on society is irrelevant, except to the degree that society is a mechanism of forced unnatural interactions.

      3B Morality as a science is a nonstarter, because there are different appropriate modes of being for different ages, for one thing. The aging process alone has greatly tempered my earlier flaws, I would say.

      Faith Won’t Fail – Katie Hudson(Perry) – She Was a Christian Singer!

      Lyrics: You could throw me. In the fire. And I won’t be burned. For my faith
      Is Your desire. And Your love endures. You could throw me. In the prison cell. Shackle me up. Against the rail. But time. And time again. My faith won’t fail. For He’ll prevail. In the midst of all. My trials. And tribulations. My sin.
      And temptations. He’ll prevail. When I fall. And He. Will pick me up. Time
      And time again. My faith won’t fail.

      4 Katy Perry is a former christian singer. She now says “she’s not a christian” I’m beginning to fear that word, christian. The more I employ it in a sentence, the more I know I am misunderstood, and the more I’m sure I am needlessly feeding a demon of disagreement who’s getting plenty to eat already.

      4B The only science that you can use on living people, is praxeology. The being Katy Perry will forever be Shrodinger’s Wildcat of infinite possibility, she isn’t a cuckoo clock with mechanisms you can model and make predictions and assertions about.

  10. Garysco
    January 31, 2014 at 5:42 am

    Could be:
     
    I want to show you that behind the Record Companies and the Art Business is an Elite of super-wealthy people, calling themselves the Illuminati, or “Moriah Conquering Wind”, who use the Industry to distract and alter our minds with the purpose to fulfill their crimes against humanity.
     
    The big Record Labels are all controlled by the same Elite of people, who run their business through the Occult, and are the heads of Secret Societies like the Freemasons and the OTO.
     
    To sign up as a musician for the big Record Companies, you have to be willing to work toward their Agenda, which is to eventually obtain total control over the World Population. This doesn’t mean that all artists that sign up are AWARE of the Agenda, but they are tied to strict rules and regulations by the Industry. The Art Business and Hollywood are only two examples of industries they control.
     
    The famous artists, who get the most promotion, are themselves often mind controlled victims, who have split, multiple personalities and are controlled by a Programmer or a Handler (who quite often is the Manager). This is to keep the artist “on track”, so that he/she keeps following the course that is set out for him/her. If the artist tries to drift away from the “cause”, he/she is getting threatened, “re-programmed”, denied to make more records (fired), or even killed. The Art Business has maybe one of the highest death statistics of all professions. Why?  Only because they think it’s ‘cool’ to use drugs? Think again…
     
    Many artists are themselves involved in the Occult and members of secret societies like the ones mentioned above, and the Church of Satan[1]. They are practicing Occultism and Black Magic (like Marilyn Manson, Ozzy Osbourne, Led Zeppelin to name a few), and this web site has the ambition to reveal what is behind the “glamour”. Their task is to demoralize our youth, to create a society where no one is able to think for themselves (contrary to what the pop culture is trying to teach us about the “rebellious” rock music). The Art Industry creates “Icons” with degrading and Satanic messages, whom are supposed to be a replacement for the ‘invisible’ God. The musicians are also often acting degraded and high or low on drugs, so their fans start acting the same. The purpose is to create apathy and decay. Quite a few recordings have subliminal backward messages in their music, like Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, The Eagles, and more … Here is a website that tells you more about Backmasking: http://www.nauglefest.net/backmask.htm. There is no doubt these backward messages exist, but the question is, who put them there? The record companies? The musicians? Demons? In the long run, it doesn’t matter that much. It’s there, and it DOES affect our subconscious minds, and it’s not positive…
    Does this all sound crazy? Unbelievable? Yes, it does. However, hopefully you will change your mind after have read the articles on this web page, and the testimonies from people who themselves are/were working in the Music Industry…
    http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/index2.htm

    • Bevin
      January 31, 2014 at 5:57 am

      Dear Gary,

      Those behind the NWO are amazingly devious.

      But I suspect some of their strategies have backfired.

      For example, so-called “predictive programming” and “controlled opposition,” which I’ve been reading about lately, are probably real moves on their part.

      But I think some of them have unwittingly set off alarm bells about what they’re doing, and not in the way they intended. They want to slowly acclimatize the public to their agenda, boiling frog style.

      I hope so anyway. We’ll see I suppose.

      • Garysco
        February 1, 2014 at 4:47 am

        @Bevin – The younger generations are always controlled by the culture masters. We older ones were controlled in our likes and dislikes just as much as this teen and pre-teen generation is. Cultural movements are ALWAYS a top down and never a bottom up process. I see it in this generation of 18-30′s putting 20″ – 32″ wheels and tires on 70′s & 80′s cars – just because that is the style they emulate. No one you know created Dora the Explorer, Teenage Ninja Turtles, Sesame Street, Justin Bieber or Katy Perry. They are all recruited if they pass the attitude (or story line) and looks test, then made (created & marketed) into stars. They only put out the message that is updated about every 3-5 years like a business plan, so as to keep the agenda profitable and processing towards the goal. The question for adults (young grasshopper :) ) is what is the agenda?

        • Bevin
          February 1, 2014 at 7:56 am

          Dear Gary,

          No argument from me.

          As I mentioned earlier, I used to think “brainwashing” was something that only happened to American POWs captured by the North Koreans, Red Chinese, Soviets, or al-Qaeda!

          But considering how many ordinary folk believe the Myth of Authority, and how the PTB successfully foisted the Federal Reserve System on the entire nation, I’ve had to increase the number of people I consider brainwashing victims by a few orders of magnitude!

          • Garysco
            February 1, 2014 at 11:21 am

            @Bevin – Just one of many he has made that make me want to bang my head into a brick wall.

          • Giuseppe Crowe
            February 1, 2014 at 11:33 am

            I’m currently reading a book by Thomas Sowell called The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy. Thomas Sowell is a black, “conservative” economist whose works though sometimes flawed, do touch on the very points you guys are discussing.

          • Bevin
            February 1, 2014 at 12:16 pm

            Dear GC,

            I agree. Sowell is good in many areas. I overlook the areas of disagreement.

            I have most of his books. Or rather, had. Lost them in a move.

    • eric
      January 31, 2014 at 6:37 am

      At least back in the ’60s, ’70s, ’80s and ’90s, most of popular music actually was music. That is, it involved musicians – people who played instruments – and singers.

      Typically, they were very good at it.

      Today?

      Most of it is some crotch grabbing, gesticulating cretin mumbling – or shouting – doggerel “rhymes” of the crudest, most simple-minded sort to the accompaniment of a crude, simple, repetitive beat generated not by a drummer but by a computer. Boom Boom Boom Mufuggah Mufuggah Gold Toofs Bitches Mercedes Benz Bix Noood . . Gnomesayin?

      The art form known as rap.

      Or, the alternative: A writhing/squealing marginal talent female whose main skill is big tits and provocative dance moves, who sings (helped often enough with an Auto-tone box) oleaginous treacle to the accompaniment of computer-generated backtracks.

      Why do cRappers grab their dicks all the time? Because they can’t play an instrument and need to do something with their hands.

      • PanarchistamericanHelot
        January 31, 2014 at 7:09 am

        eric wrote, “The art form known as rap. ” “cRappers”

        Are you sure?

        Do you suppose things have evolved a bit and you’re not showing your/our age?

        Cause the word “rap” is not what I would call what I see these days. It’s something else, imho. …Or, maybe it’s just me? Maybe I’m getting to be like my grandparents, one day it was Elvis, then next day it was something else?

        Can you imagine how our grandparents must’ve looked down on the moves of Elvis? … Oh, wait… yes. you. can.

        But this is worse than Elvis we’re talking about here, right? This is no Super Bowl Shuffle. I mean, this is moves that torque the parents of those who like Elvis,… and it’s as if it – Never – happened in every generation since the days of, ‘It’s A Wonderful Life’?

        I mean, maybe you didn’t go along with the Punk Wave, or wear the Moon Walking Shoes, or scream “I can’t Drive 55″ and drive your parents Up the Wall with it all? But there was ‘something ‘ you did or liked, unless you were really different. I mean *really* different.
        It’s all the same, don’t you see? OMG, it makes me laugh, and I find it disgusting too, when the gang banger wanna-be’s grab their crotch, but it’s the same today as the velvet Elvis poster was back then, don’t you see?
        Don’t you see the similarities?

        But then, you might not want to understand, it seems to me you might be hooked on a certain kind of contempt. But I won’t go there tonight. You gotta catch up this far, first,… if you can. Otherwise there’s no point.

        • eric
          January 31, 2014 at 7:34 am

          Except, of course, Elvis could sing. Superbly.

          And many of his songs were beautiful.

          And he was accompanied by real music played by actual musicians.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 7:51 am

            Sure, Elvis could sing. But it wasn’t his singing your grandparents didn’t like. It was the gyro-scoping, a.k.a. in today’s modern version: the dick grabbing low pants move.

            Mang, you gotta think. The coolest move for every generation is the one their parents hate the most. That’s why piercings are all the rage.

            There was something else I wanted to add, dang it, I forgot I’m so freaking tired, and you’re up and commenting which means I’ve stayed up wayy the heck too late@!

            i’m sure I’ll remember it as i begin to drift off to sleep.

            But why?> I had no idea there were 75 Bond girls. Wow.

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 8:11 am

            Yeah, but whether they like it or not isn’t the point.

            The point is – Elvis could sing. He had exceptional, rare talent. Also Roy Orbison (same era) and most of the popular singers/musicians of that era and subsequent eras.

            It may have been a different type of music – but music it was.

            It may have been a different type of singing – but singing it was.

            Mumbling unintelligible doggerel “poetry” is not singing.

            Punching up computer-generated sounds doesn’t make one a musician.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 8:08 am

            Oh, I recall a fraction of what I wanted to say, I don;t know which thread it was on. In that film clip of the Robbins Williams movie eric posted, they stopped way short on the subject of rosebuds. …Way.

            Damnit! I had something more worthwhile to say about that, but I forgot!

            ….I’m punching out! Let first shift deal with it.

          • PanarchiatamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 8:39 am

            From what I noticed in the 1970′s, from what I was told by the older people, it wasn’t that Elvis could, or could not sing,…like it or not, it was that he gyrated his hips. He was to many people at that time: The equivalent to the modern day gangster, crotch grabbing, low pants, mofo.

            Don’t get me wrong, I was , in the 1970′s anyway, a fan of Elvis. How-freaking-ever; he was partially the floodgate of the gangster hip hop mofo. That’s also why the girls loved him. As happens today with the shit trash mofo’s we despise. Congratulations, eric. You’ve become your grandparents. haha. Ya. I didn’t want to type that either. It applies to me too.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            January 31, 2014 at 8:46 am

            [See what happens when you do overtime, you can't spell.]

            From what I noticed in the 1970′s, from what I was told by the older people, it wasn’t that Elvis could, or could not sing,…like it or not, it was that he gyrated his hips. He was to many people at that time: The equivalent to the modern day gangster, crotch grabbing, low pants, mofo.

            Don’t get me wrong, I was , in the 1970′s anyway, a fan of Elvis. How-freaking-ever; he was partially the floodgate of the gangster hip hop mofo. That’s also why the girls loved him. As happens today with the shit trash mofo’s we despise. Congratulations, eric. You’ve become your grandparents. haha. Ya. I didn’t want to type that either. It applies to me too.

          • eric
            January 31, 2014 at 8:49 am

            Yes, but all the hip gyrating in the world would not have resulted in the success he had if he had not been a brilliant singer. He maintained his popularity long after his hip gyrating days. Even at the end, when he was fat and sluggish, his voice more than compensated for everything. Watch this video of his last live performance and tell me whether you think hip gyrating accounted for Elvis’ enduring fame:

            Keep in mind: This was live. No studio enhancements. And Elvis was sick; he’d be dead in two months time.

            To compare the talent this man had to some doggerel-mumbling, dick grabbing cretin cRapper is just silly.

            Roy Orbison did not gyrate anything – and was a great success.

            There are literally scores of such examples.

            These guys (and gals) had real talent, exceptional talent in many cases.

            And that is the difference.

            Watch this clip of Journey, also live:

            That’s a singer.

            PS: I was just a kid when Elvis died. I was way too young to have seen the Beatles or The Stones when they first hit the scene. But those guys – and the work they produced – are as immortal as Beethoven.

            Bix Nood Muffugaggah Gnomesayin’ Maaaaahhhn ain’t.

          • Garysco
            February 1, 2014 at 5:32 am

            @Pan – Elvis had the ability to make women, young and old, cream their jeans like no other entertainer. Tom Jones & a couple of others came in a distant second.

          • eric
            February 1, 2014 at 6:56 am

            Tom Jones can sing, too!

      • February 1, 2014 at 5:00 am

        You’ve left out modern country music — manicured, rich celebrities with the most obnoxious, put-on accents of all time whining wistfully about life on the farm and chanting “patriotic” slogans. Ye gods.

        • eric
          February 1, 2014 at 6:59 am

          Hi Darien,

          I like real C&W music, but you’re right – the “popular” stuff is like Pro Wrestling: Tacky, contrived – and suffused with appeals to juvenile patriotism and archetypes of “manly” living.

          • February 2, 2014 at 12:50 am

            Eric:

            I have no love for real C&W either, but neither do I have any hatred for it. I am almost totally neutral, with some songs I like and some I do not, and a definite fondness for Johnny Cash.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 2, 2014 at 1:31 am

            I wish I could be almost totally neutral with some songs. Most country music I can’t stand, lots of other types of overplayed songs too. I rush to flip the radio Off anymore when overplayed bands such as Guns N Roses comes on. I used to like them, but that was 20,000 times ago. I’d rather listen to a full hour of eric’s worst version of cRap music than the same old three songs from GNR.

            That said, Johnny Cash has some good stuff:

            Ring of Fire

          • eric
            February 2, 2014 at 7:15 am

            Johnny could sing – and write songs!

            He will endure. Achy Breaky Heart… not so much

          • February 2, 2014 at 1:39 am

            I find it pretty easy to be neutral, because I’m neutral on most things. It’s just sort of a natural tendency for me, because I’m a terrible human being. :-)

            Roughly the only song that will actually cause me to go turn the radio off in disgust is Hoobastank’s “The Reason.” I can suffer through nearly anything else, though there are a few near exceptions on the country station my co-workers listen to; all, as we’ve been discussing, from the “new country” light-beer-and-join-the-army genre.

          • eric
            February 2, 2014 at 6:38 am

            Anytime I hear cRap, I either leave the room or put in my ear buds – which I keep with me as a defensive measure. cRap is the noise of the apocalypse, the herald of the end of civilization. A savage throwing bones at the side of a Saturn V rocket… We’re not supposed to criticize cRap because it is – predominantly – a black thing. It bees rayciss an shit to say bad things about this “art form.” Bullshit. It is the noise created by underclass blacks, who are as vile as underclass whites or underclass anyones. I don’t define “underclass” as synonymous with poor. But with trash. Thuggery, mindlessness. Hatred of achievement, contempt for women, for learning, love of violence and nihilism. Chaos, infantile obsession with status, material expressions of wealth, “respect” … all that crap.

            Which defines cRap.

            It’s not about blackness. It’s about being cowed by fear of being politically incorrect for calling (forgive me) a spade a spade.

            James Brown, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, The Supremes, Jimi Hendrix… not spades. Black, yes.

            cRap, no.

            It is soul sewage – pushed and peddled by rich elite whites (mostly) to nihilize both black and white youth.

            Next worst is the squealing, vapid, synthesized, auto-tune treacle that dominates modern “pop” music. Gawd!

            Popular country of the Girth Brooks sort I can abide for short periods. At least it involves musicians.

            Otherwise, my iPod rolls with Thin Lizzy, Queen, Van Halen (Dave wasn’t a great singer, but Michael Anthony provided under-appreciated back-up and Eddie is one of the greatest guitar players ever), Eagles, a mix of late Beatles/Wings, Springsteen (RIP Clarence), some Journey (Steve Perry was perhaps, along with Freddie Mercury, the greatest rock singer), Kiss and Crue for those heavy workout days… just a window.

            I like a lot of classic music also – speaking of which, if you do, you might also like one of the modern virtuosos – Hans Zimmer. You are probably already familiar with some of his work, even if you may not know his name. Here’s a sample:

            Contrast this with the imbecile monotony – the always-the-same savage beat (not even produced by a drummer) that accompanies almost all cRap.

            Beauty and melody vs… noise.

          • Bevin
            February 2, 2014 at 8:04 pm

            Dear Eric,

            Re: Hans Zimmer and other film composers.

            I agree. Some of the best orchestral and symphonic music today is written by composers of movie music. They are essentially throwbacks to the Romantic and Late Romantic eras in classical music.

            To me these and other film composers are the torch carriers for instrumental classical music.
            http://projections.blogs.gainesville.com/10056/top-10-movie-music-composers-enhanced-edition/

          • February 3, 2014 at 3:30 am

            Part of the joy of being blue-collar is that I’ve endured a *lot* of rap played by my co-workers. Far in excess of 95% of the time, I’m in complete agreement with you… but I am compelled to admit that there is the *very* occasional rap song I like. Nas’s “One Mic” comes to mind.

            What do I listen to, then? Mainly jazz and blues, and a lot of classical, plus other oddball things. A lot of Johnny Cash, a lot of Sister Hazel. I’m lately fascinated by blues violin (some of Tom Rigney and Flambeau is just amazing: http://www.tomrigney.com/music_page.htm ), and have a soft spot for some of the aggressively bad music people used to make in the 70s and 80s; ELO’s ridiculous “Don’t Bring Me Down” never fails to make me smile.

            Also (and here’s where I prove how lame I am), there’s some really interesting stuff going on in video game soundtracks lately. I don’t mean the Pentagon-funded kill-dem-terrrrists American AAA garbage; the music isn’t any better than the games. But I defy you to listen to the big-band orchestrated Super Mario 3D World soundtrack and not be charmed by it:

          • eric
            February 3, 2014 at 7:23 am

            Good stuff, Darien – I will check it out!

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 3, 2014 at 4:49 am

            I gave it a shot, Darien. But, that Mario Bros. bit didn’t work for me. This, coming from a guy who enjoyed playing the game during his twenty-something years. (Maybe that’s why?) I do see how it would work for someone typing at work. For sure it’s better than GNR!
            I kept expecting it to take off, but it never did. However, at 12:20 I haven’t turned it off yet.

            I appreciate your links though, and everyone else’s.

            Lately I’ve been enjoying a song, I’m not sure if it’s rap or not, I don’t know the band or the title to the song, the lyrics i get are, “Don’t. Bring, A. Knife. To. A. Gunfight. … You Lose.”

          • jjb
            February 8, 2014 at 5:36 pm

            Indeed, Eric

            Sittin’ on the tailgate of my chevy sippin’ a cold long neck with my babydoll by my side after fishin’. We’ll put a boot in your ass cuz that’s the American way. I call it bubble gum country or shopping mall country. My wife listens to it so every time she uses my truck and I go to start it there is that shit blaring, right after bashing my knees on the tilt steering she never puts up to get out. God I love her.

  11. Tor Libertarian
    January 31, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Katy Perry – Firework – cover by Avery

    This singer AZ 15 year old Avery was really something unique and special. They’ve ghettofried commodified her beyond all use and recognition, she’s a has been at 19, ho hum.

    Love me or Let me Go – words & music Avery

    - like Katy, more fireworks that fizzle, more artists they never loved, more monarchs to set free, maybe they should them all go

    Olivia Wise – Roar (Katy Perry cover)

    Olivia Wise has Brain Cancer. She came into a recording studio for her first time and recorded the Katy Perry song Roar. She couldn’t walk or stand, she didn’t have her full breath or the energy she used to, and she was managing her new pains and new limitations. While her physical condition was rapidly fading, her spirit remained untouched.

    Olivia is a fighter and has gone through the fire, in fact, she was going through the fire while she recorded this song, but you wouldn’t know it, because she was dancing right through it. She is an inspiration, a champion, a hero. UPDATE: Olivia Wise passed away on November 25, 2013, but still you can here her roar.

  12. Tor Libertarian
    February 2, 2014 at 1:03 am

    So is rule from the shadows evil? Storm Clouds Gathering seems to think so. He’s got 285,000 subscribers on YouTube, which is incredible for someone in our belief wheelhouse, it might be worth giving his video channel a listen.

    Rule from the Shadows – The Psychology of Power

    Full Transcript
    http://stormcloudsgathering.com/rule-from-the-shadows-the-psychology-of-power-part-1

    Muckety – tool to discover how connected someone is to the ruling class. Katy Perry has a 69 muckety score. Ronald E Paul scores a 91.
    http://www.muckety.com/Ronald-E-Paul/1435.muckety

    • methylamine
      February 2, 2014 at 1:28 am

      StormCloudsGathering is awesome; I’ve watched his videos before. Very good analysis; he offers some great strategic ideas.

      • Bevin
        February 2, 2014 at 5:07 am

        Dear meth,

        Speaking of good sources, here’s a worthwhile article from SHTF, on a subject both you and I find dear to our hearts.

        Sniper Basics For The SHTF Survivalist
        Brandon Smith
        January 30th, 2014
        Alt Market
        Comments (413)
        Read by 18,516 people

        Editor’s Note: The following primer for Survivalist Snipers is a must-read (and implement) for anyone who is serious about preserving their life and liberty in the event of a worst-case scenario.

        http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/sniper-basics-for-the-shtf-survivalist_01302014

      • Tor Minotaur
        February 2, 2014 at 7:39 am

        SCG is awesome. An essential element even. He’s like a mental vitamin. A must read, at least until you get your RDA of him, and achieve a well balanced mind.

        Don’t miss the 4 min Solomon Asch video below. You can get the gist of it by only watching the first 90 seconds.

        One time SCG posted a video that put Larken Rose in a negative light. Talk about CogDis, it was an epic struggle for my mental synthesis powers, in the best of all possible ways.

        Here’s one of the highlights of the video:

        Why Voting the Bums Out Doesn’t Work

        “The secret to the power the CFR and the other round table groups wield lies in a clever application of the techniques that Bernays developed.

        RTGs target individual psychology by cultivating a sense of exclusivity and prestige which plays upon people’s desire to feel important and powerful. This is how they attract new members.

        Like Bernays they manipulate the public indirectly by targeting opinion leaders and authority figures. By influencing their membership, which is comprised of men and women in the highest levels of government, business and finance they hijack the phenomenon observed in the Milgram Authority experiments while bypassing the electoral process.

        Most of the meetings held at the CFR are run under Chatham house rules meaning that the ideas discussed there may be used and spread by those present but no one is allowed to mention where those ideas came from.

        These closed door discussions and their exclusive membership process work together to engineer the phenomenon demonstrated in the Asch conformity experiments. New members must be nominated by an existing member, seconded by three members and approved by board of directors. This process ensures that ideological continuity is maintained as social conformity brings new members into line with the group.

        Asch’s Conformity Experiment

        It’s important to remember that wealth, social status and official positions of power do not reduce the effects of group psychology.

        To put it in simple terms the politicians aren’t calling the shots. They’re puppets. Voting the bums out doesn’t work, and now you know why.

        Even if we remove every single corrupt oligarch from the councils of government we will end up right back in the same situation unless we deal with the psychological underpinnings of our enslavement.

  13. Tor Minotaur
    February 2, 2014 at 8:01 am

    @perfectlydarian.com:

    Well darian, you say you can’t stand hoobastank’s reason… Why do you suppose that is?

    Maybe it’s because you’re not perfectly perfectlydarian as much as you’d like to think. Maybe “you’re not a perfect perrrrsonnnnn”

    “I find it pretty easy to be neutral, because I’m neutral on most things. It’s just sort of a natural tendency for me, because I’m a terrible human being.” – - I give that a ThreeShay, which is 50% more than the usual touché. Consider it stored for future swagjacking.

    I find that song is very useful, so thank you. Now I can binge and purge without need of an esophageal trigger device. Listening to a short snippet of the The Reason will provide instant emesis on demand.

    Well carry on then. I’ll leave you with this thought:

    i’ve Found a reason to showwwww. a Side of me you didn’t knowwwww. A Reason for all that I dooooo. and the Reason is youuuuu.

    BTW… protip: “La Razon” – the Spanish cover versions – are even more powerfully pukefying.

    La Razon – Panda. (re: Spanish Version Hoobastank The Reason)

    No soy una persona perfecta. Hay muchas cosas que me gustaría no hacer.
    Pero continúo aprendiendo. Nunca pretendí hacerte esas cosas.
    Y así tengo que decir antes de irme. Que solo quiero que lo sepas…

  14. Tor Libertarian
    February 2, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Happy Holidays Helots! Today is Ayn Rand’s birthday. And Candelmas. Crepe day. Groundhog day. And Superbowl Sunday. Party On!

    The Catholic holiday of Candlemas, on 2 February, is a feast to commemorate the purification of the Virgin Mary and the presentation of baby Jesus. In France, it’s called la Chandeleur, Fête de la Lumière, or jour des crêpes.

    Not only do the French eat a lot of crêpes on Chandeleur, but they also do a bit of fortune telling while making them.

    It’s traditional to hold a coin in your writing hand and a crêpe pan in the other, and flip the crêpe into the air. If you manage to catch the crêpe in the pan, your family will be prosperous for the rest of the year.

    There are many French proverbs and sayings for Chandeleur; here are just a few. Note the similarity to Secular Groundhog Day predictions made in the US and Canada:

    À la Chandeleur, l’hiver cesse ou reprend vigueur
    On Candlemas, winter ends or strengthens

    À la Chandeleur, le jour croît de deux heures
    On Candlemas, the day grows by two hours

    Chandeleur couverte, quarante jours de perte
    Candlemas covered (in snow), forty days lost

    Rosée à la Chandeleur, hiver à sa dernière heure
    Dew on Candlemas, winter at its final hour

  15. Tor Libertarian
    February 2, 2014 at 9:35 am

    Hilarious American Football Commentary by a Brit

    Some Bad NFL Lip Reading

    Soup Bowl 2014 – are you ready for some jackbooted foot to the balls?

    • Bevin
      February 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm

      Dear Tor,

      LOL.

      As Churchill said, America and Britain are two countries separated by a common language.

      Also, everyone who has noted the affinities between American football and militarism must read this.

      The Sniper Bowl and Smoking for Health: The Weekend Vigilante February 1, 2014
      http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/2/1/the-sniper-bowl-and-smoking-for-health-the-weekend-vigilante.html

      Excerpt:

      Mike Ditka says “the troops” should be “worshipped” and Russell Williams, quarterback of the Seahawks actually says, “to our troops overseas thank you for everything you have done for us and continue to do for us to be able to be here to play this great game of football.”

      Wow, that brainwashed slave thinks that if half is money isn’t stolen from him every year and a large amount of it used to line the pockets of the military industrial complex to go around the world and kill and torture men, women and children that it would be impossible to play football!

      In other words, in an alternate universe where there didn’t exist the largest and most dangerous criminal organization in human history, the US government, he is saying that football would be impossible.

      Again, wow. The brainwashing is deep in these ones!

      • Tor Minotaur
        February 2, 2014 at 8:46 pm

        When you watch Starship Troopers, consider if you will, a better name might be American Troopers.

        Support the troops. Do your part.

        You’re either with us, people of Earth.

        Or you’re bugs.

        Can I just captain a boat to the Penghu Islands?

        Or do you need I.D. and to go through onshore checkpoint there?

        If its an option, hopefully there’s enough demographic variance that I can blend in. Penghu Islands Taiwan

        - JK LOL

      • PanarchistamericanHelot
        February 2, 2014 at 9:00 pm

        Mang, Mike Ditka, too?

        Joe Namath & Mike Ditka, all in one weekend, …and they say Katy Perry is Eeevulll?
        This really *is* a Super Sunday.

        Professional Murderer to Be Honored by Joe Namath at Super Bowl

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/professional-murderer-to-be-honored-at-super-bowl/

        Say it ain’t so, Joe.

        Next thing you’ll know they’ll be singing praises to the “Devil’s Chair”?

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/another-reason-to-resist-the-devils-chair/

        …Because, “being a real conservative [and a progressive, is] now equated with support for war, torture, and militarism.”…

        http://www.lewrockwell.com/2009/12/laurence-m-vance/antiwar-libertarians/

        Yet, I don’t hate them. …I pity them.

        • Bevin
          February 2, 2014 at 10:11 pm

          Dear Pan,

          Yes. Most people are not evil per se, they are merely puppets manipulated by the real evil.

          G. Edward Griffin’s Intro to “Tragedy & Hope 101″
          http://stopthelie.com/tragedy-and-hope-made-easy.html

          If you’ve ever wanted to read Quigley’s “Tragedy & Hope” but didn’t have the time, Tragedy & Hope 101 is for you. Here, Ed Griffin explains the benefits of learning more about Quigley and the insider information that he revealed.

          Excerpt:

          Perhaps most unsettling, Quigley reveals that real power operates behind the scenes, in secrecy, and with little to fear from so-called democratic elections. He proves that conspiracies, secret societies, and small, powerful networks of individuals are not only real; they’re extremely effective at creating or destroying entire nations and shaping the world as a whole. We learn that “representative government” is, at best, a carefully managed con game.

          Since these disturbing truths contradict nearly everything our government, education system, and media have taught us to believe, many will immediately dismiss them as nonsense. “Only wild-eyed conspiracy theorists believe such things,” they will say.

          However, there is one big problem: Carroll Quigley was no “wild-eyed conspiracy theorist.” Quite the contrary, Quigley was a prominent historian who specialized in studying the evolution of civilizations as well as secret societies. He studied history at Harvard University, where he earned his bachelor’s, master’s, and PhD degrees. He taught at Princeton University, Harvard University, and the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. He worked as an advisor to the US Defense Department, the US Navy, and the Smithsonian Institution.[2] In short, Carroll Quigley was a well-connected and well-credentialed member of Ivy League society.

        • Tor Libertarian
          February 2, 2014 at 10:29 pm

          The family is really enjoying this S-Bowl, there’s worse things going on somewhere I guess.

          Mostly I go all drama queen sky is falling as a sales technique for panarchy, but when the shift is over, I punch out and tune in like the rest.

          Just another super sunday!

  16. Tor Libertarian
    February 2, 2014 at 10:27 am

    If you’re itching to bug out, have you looked at New Hampshire in detail? It might be the answer. If you don’t like it there either, its 53 mile long border with Canada has one only one checkpoint. Live in a Canadian province where only 8% of the population speak English and find a way to perform international trade without restriction or governmental compliance.

    Reasons to Move to New Hampshire

    New Hampshire is the only state with no laws restricting knife ownership.

    Seat Belt Laws. New Hampshire is the only state that does not have a mandatory seat belt law for adults.

    Helmet Laws
    New Hampshire is one of only three states that places no helmet restrictions on motorcyclists.

    New Hampshire is the only state that does not mandate automobile insurance.

    Gun Laws. New Hampshire offers some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation: no license is required to open carry and a concealed carry license is available on a shall-issue basis. New Hampshire has a plethora of gun clubs and shooting ranges throughout the state.

    Sales Tax. New Hampshire has no general sales tax.

    New Hampshire has no general personal income tax.

    Right to Revolution. New Hampshire’s constitution is one of only four state constitutions that expressly protect citizens’ right to revolution

    Eminent Domain. New Hampshire state law prohibits the use of eminent domain for private use or private development.

    New Hampshire has no capital gains tax.

    Raw Milk. New Hampshire is one of the few states that very lightly regulates raw milk sales.

    New Hampshire legislators are only paid a salary of $100 per year, helping ensure the existence of a citizen legislature committed to public service, unlike every other state.

    Best Representation per Capita. New Hampshire offers the best representation of any state in the nation with a 400-member House of Representatives for a population of 1.3 million people.

    New Hampshire’s unique Executive Council provides an additional check on the power of the Governor. Support of the independently elected, five-member council is required for state contracts over $5,000, high-level agency appointments, and pardons.

    Inventory Tax. New Hampshire has no inventory tax.

    Machinery and Equipment. New Hampshire has no tax on machinery or equipment.

    State House. Reflecting New Hampshire’s relationship and openness to the public, the state capitol building has no metal detectors, And, at 190 years old, is the “the oldest state house in the nation in which the legislature still occupies its original chambers”.

    New Hampshire is ranked 3rd for receiving the least federal spending as a percentage of federal taxes paid.

    Secession. New Hampshire’s constitution does not specifically prohibit secession.

    New Hampshire officials, from town clerks to the state governor, are accessible to the public and generally have a walk-right-in office policy.

    New Hampshire is the only state that has banned the use of automatic license plate readers by law enforcement.

    The Free State Project has been endorsed by many in the pro-liberty community, including Ron Paul, Penn Jillette, Peter Schiff, Lew Rockwell, and Walter Williams. In addition, the FSP has received support from Judge Andrew Napolitano, John Stossell and Neal Boortz.

    New Hampshire culture still reflects its famous motto, Live Free or Die.
    New Hampshire offers small, easy to canvass voting districts. Each member of the House of Representatives represents about 3,300 people.

    Gun Rights Organizations
    New Hampshire has several gun rights organizations (Gun Owners of New Hampshire, Second Amendment Sisters, and Pro-Gun New Hampshire to name a few) that successfully work to expand gun freedoms in NH and protect the state’s shall-issue concealed carry permit process and free open-carry laws.

    New Hampshire is awash with pro-liberty media. On the radio, there is Free Talk Live and the Katherine Albrecht Show. Local TV stations broadcast Shire TV and Capitol Access. Other NH-based media that spread liberty worldwide include the Liberty Radio Network, Anarchy In Your Head, The Liberty Conspiracy, Homeland Stupidity, the School Sucks podcast, and The Ridley Report.

    The NH Underground is an active, peaceful civil disobedience network. This group has organized activities such as conducting an open-carry litter pickup after curfew, filming police encounters, producing radio, television, and internet broadcasts.

    New Hampshire has a large, politically active, and rapidly growing homeschooling population.

    Porcupine 411. Communication with the NH liberty community is a phone call away. Through Porcupine 411, reports of speed traps and check points, political events, and news as-it-happens are recorded and broadcast via email as audio file attachments.

    New Hampshire allows for fusion candidates whereby an individual can be listed on the ballot as the candidate for more than one party. Several Libertarians have been elected to office running as fusion Libertarians and Democrats or Republicans.

    Independent voters comprise 40% of the New Hampshire electorate, attesting to the citizens’ spirit of independence and dissatisfaction with major parties.

    New Hampshire has a long tradition of local control through town meetings, where town citizens vote on their budgets line-by-line, in the form of warrants.

    New Hampshire has an active jury nullification movement, which led to jury nullification bills passing the House three times. A bill finally became law in 2012.

    Election Cycle. Statewide officers in both the legislative and executive branches are elected every two years, giving voters the opportunity to clean house more often than in other states.

    Same-Sex Marriage. New Hampshire was the first state to adopt same-sex union legislation without a challenge to existing law. Marriage between two adults, regardless of gender, is now legal in New Hampshire.

    New Hampshire rejected the REAL ID (national identification card) program.

    Keene, NH has become a hotbed for liberty media and activism in America.

    New Hampshire offers the lowest tax burden as a percentage of gross income in the nation.

    New Hampshire is frequently among the top 5 in nationwide rankings of business-friendly states.

    New Hampshire’s median household income of $62,647 is among the highest in the country.

    The Free State Project community is gold/silver currency-friendly. As an example, Shire Silver is used by many FSP participants as an alternative currency.

    New Hampshire has a diverse economy, making it hospitable to movers from many lines of work.

    As of March 2013, NH unemployment is 5.7%; US average is 7.6%.

    New Hampshire has the lowest percentage of residents and children living in poverty in the nation.

    New Hampshire offers 5 Free Trade Zones, including those at Manchester Airport and the Port of New Hampshire.

    Retail businesses benefit from proximity to Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut and Canada as residents shop in New Hampshire to benefit from the lack of sales tax.

    New Hampshire receives the 2nd lowest farm subsidy dollars from the Federal Government, less than 0.1% of the total subsidy dollars handed out.

    Low “sin” taxes for the region. New Hampshire has a $0.196/gallon tax on gasoline; $1.68/pack of cigarettes; $0.30/gallon of beer; and zero tax on spirits and wine. These are among the lowest in the region.

    New Hampshire has an active and diverse agricultural sector that ranges from livestock to dairy products to apples to flowers.

    New Hampshire has an active pro-liberty social community. Participants host weekly events like Social Sundays, Nashua Liberty Social, and holiday parties, along with weekly and monthly mixers.

    New Hampshire has been ranked #1 in the nation for quality of life and livability 5 years in a row.

    New Hampshire is the safest state in the country.

    New Hampshire is the 3rd healthiest state in the nation. New Hampshire is ranked 1st for health care quality.

    New Hampshire has the 3rd fewest fatalities per 100 million miles driven.

    New Hampshire is ranked 1st nationally in the index for child well-being.

    New Hampshire is the least expensive state in which to own a vehicle.

    The annual New Hampshire Liberty Forum and Porcupine Freedom Festival attract hundreds of liberty lovers from around the country.

    New Hampshire has the highest standard of living in the country based on poverty rate.

    New Hampshire residents rank #1 in knowledge of fundamental economics and financial concepts.

    New Hampshire has the lowest teen pregnancy rate among the states.

    New Hampshire is home to people of all religions as well as those who are non-religious. The New Hampshire population is among the most religiously tolerant, with 73% believing that other religions can lead to eternal life.

    Air transportation to and from New Hampshire is facilitated by 118 registered airports, 64 registered heliports, and 6 registered sea plane bases.

    Water Resources. New Hampshire offers abundant water resources. The potential for water shortages in NH is insignificant.

    Risk for Natural Disasters. New Hampshire is considered at very low risk for hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, and forest fires.

    NH is a great place for hikers, boasting 48 mountains with peaks higher than 4,000 feet, access to the Appalachian Trail, and numerous trails of various distances and difficulties throughout the state.

    Ocean Port. With its deep-water port on the Atlantic Ocean, NH has access to worldwide trade markets.
    - – - – -

    SOTU response: The State of Chicago Address. Obama should GTFO!

    • eric
      February 2, 2014 at 11:15 am

      That’s a pretty compelling roster, Tor!

      For me, there are two big factors:

      How much does land/housing go for? Are real estate taxes high?

      The !@@$@@ cold.

      This winter has shown me that I can’t deal with 4-5 months of shit weather every year.

      I hate snow. I hate ice. I hate freezing temperatures. Sucks all around. Limits the things I like to do; makes the things I need to do much less enjoyable.

      But, I’m gonna take a peak.

      VA is good on guns, but Northern Virginia is going to turn the whole state into another California within the next 20 years at the latest.

      And VA has income tax and obnoxious taxes on property, too.

      • Tor Minotaur
        February 3, 2014 at 7:43 am

        @Eric,
        New Hampshire has the second highest property taxes of the 50 states.

        Percent of home value paid in property taxes:
        New Jersey – 1.89%
        New Hampshire – 1.86%
        Texas – 1.81%
        Wisconsin – 1.76%
        Nebraska – 1.70%
        Illinois – 1.73%
        Connecticut – 1.63%
        Michigan – 1.62%
        Vermont – 1.59%
        North Dakota – 1.42%

        New Hampshire has home prices around the average listing price and median selling price. Probably ranked about 25 out of 50.
        http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/
        http://www.trulia.com/home_prices/

        • eric
          February 3, 2014 at 9:50 am

          Hi Tor,

          Thanks – this is a huge negative factor. One of the reasons I chose this area (rural SW Virginia) is that land/housing is comparatively cheap and taxes are somewhat reasonable (relative to what you’re forced to pay elsewhere).

          For instance: When we lived in Loudoun County – a Northern Virginia suburb of DC – we paid close to $5,000 a year in taxes on a nothing-special 1,800 sq. foot ’70s-era tract home in a tract subdivision on a 1/4 acre of land. The taxes we pay now on a larger/nicer house on 16 acres of land are about $1,700 annually.

          But the one thing that really causes me to draw back from NH is the weather. I absolutely hate winter – being unable to ride motorcycles/drive my classic car/be outside, enjoy life – for a third or more of the year because it’s freaking freezing outside.

          This winter has been insufferable, but at least (so far) it is atypical – an aberration. In NH, such winters are the norm – and I don’t think I want to deal with that.

          Liberty in Siberia’s not worth a lot to me!

    • MamaLiberty
      February 2, 2014 at 11:50 am

      The greatest potential for disaster, natural and otherwise, is the proximity to the District of Criminals and Massachusetts, etc. I have friends who moved there for the “Free State Project,” and they tell a sad story. Most of them are leaving… if they can.

      • Tor Libertarian
        February 2, 2014 at 2:16 pm

        If I were moving there, I’d carefully consider the pros and cons of living in the Keene, NH Free State Project Commune. I believe it is about 75 miles outside the farthest edge of Greater Boston.

        I like the upper top county of Coos. NH or the lower southwest corner of Cheshire, NH but maybe not Cheshire’s county seat of Keene, from what you’re telling me.

        Moving only does so much, like Zen master Yogi says, “Wherever you go, there you are.” I take that to mean, just because you move, don’t expect things to magically change without sustained effort on your part.

        New Forum for Free State Wyoming
        http://freedomfeens.com/blog/2013/08/02/new-forum-for-free-state-wyoming-folks-and-people-who-dig-wyoming-and-liberty/

        Guns and Weed – The Road to Freedom
        http://www.gunsandweed.com

        Reasons Why Wyoming Is The Best State
        http://thoughtcatalog.com/lauren-perry/2013/12/15-reasons-why-wyoming-is-the-best-state-period/

        The idea of everybody knowing your name, is a killer for me. I hate any and all personal questions of any kind. A. J. Nock was said to never reveal any details about himself, and no co-workers or work friends knew where he lived or with who or anything really. I like that myself.

        Nothing makes me cringe more than someone asking if I had fun the other night at XYZ, because they saw my car there, or someone inquiring what I do, or how much I make an hour, and so forth. No Answer is my standard reply.

        • MamaLiberty
          February 2, 2014 at 2:41 pm

          That’s really sad, Tor. I can’t imagine such an isolated, empty life myself.

          Was just talking with some folks about the increasing surveillance, so many places with cameras, laws against “masks” or hiding your identity. This was my response:

          “As with so many other things, the tyrants have taken good things and twisted them into abominations. How is reputation supposed to work if people can’t identify you? Without gov. snooping and control, I don’t know too many people who would care if they could easily be identified.

          And it’s difficult not to be known when you live in a small town like this. I went into the bank here the other day, all wrapped up in a coat, scarf, hat and gloves. The first person I met at the door said “Hello, Mrs. C!” She either recognized my hat… or maybe it was the big black gun sticking out under the coat. :) The only way I can hide is to stay home.”

          And I have no desire to hide. I’m happy to be known and loved in my town.

          • Tor Libertarian
            February 2, 2014 at 7:06 pm

            Doesn’t feel sad. It’s more nuanced than that. More a case of I don’t care for how a lot of Americans and neighborhoods/workplaces have become.

            I need to learn what Bevin & Eric have been teaching. Not use personal examples, I’m still learning how to communicate.

            I would actually say the same thing about “some” small town people, not yours though, and the way they hold each other back and make life a living nightmare through their petty obsessions and privacy intrusions regarding their neighbors.

            I of course have a similar version of being beloved by some groups of people as you do, but I’ve moved away from where I grew up, and moved countless more times since that.

            The kind of attention I’ve experienced in “some” other places, such as calling the authorities for having too many cars in my driveway and so on, well, not a big fan.

            Your way of life for you is of course the best. I would hesitate to even visit, since I don’t know any of you, and I don’t want to make others uncomfortable.

            But what if my home life is 180 degrees different than yours. Shockingly so. Maybe you won’t cause me any guff about it, but I doubt “everyone” you know will also be that way.

            As an intro, I come from a family that does things on a cash basis, with no questions asked. How would you feel if I bought a home in your town and subdivided it into say 6 units and moved six totally unrelated people into it, where formerly it was only for 1 “family.”

            On top of that, all I do is make a judgment of the tenants based on my gut feeling. No forms. No inquiries. I don’t even verify they are who they say they are. Pure capitalism only. Money talks. Perhaps this seems odd, but the thing is, the 6 people are quite capable of policing there own residence, with out me wasting my time.

            And looking them straight in the eye, and only demanding payment and nothing else, well it’s funny how much they enjoy living like that. They feel human, and not like oppressed muppets, even though they’re not a part of the landed gentry.

            Are you still on the live and let live bandwagon. Or have I now done something that you would have a problem with?

            I like having a choice. Some people I prefer the same way of relating to as you.

            What you see as sad, I see as a form of sovereignty. Most people in my experience smile and act like they’re great people. Hail fellows well met. But it’s a lie, they’re Decepticons. And they quickly reveal themselves fast when you don’t conform to their expectations, let me tell you.

            I guess I’ve found it a necessary part of growing up. To be a Transformer. A robot in disguise. I’ll play the Hail fellow I’m just like you game well enough with the Hoi Polloi.

            If I find you worthy, then I’ll show that there’s more than meets the eyes. That’s par for the course when your an uber-tolerant uber-individualist strict believer in the NAP. A tiny and highly unpopular minority, at least for now.

      • PanarchistamericanHelot
        February 2, 2014 at 2:22 pm

        I wonder why they left N.H.?
        I wonder where they’re going to that they think is better, and why?

        • MamaLiberty
          February 2, 2014 at 2:36 pm

          The two I know best are leaving for several reasons – in no particular order here, but mainly because it IS too close to “Mass-two-shits” and the Chinese water torture of dealing with the people from there who wish to bring their statist paradise with them. Then there are the taxes, high cost of living, and a steady erosion of their right to tools of self defense. One of their friends was recently arrested for perfectly legal open carry.

          It’s not perfect anywhere, of course, but there are places where it is much better. Each person has to make up his/her own mind what is most important, and what they will be willing to live with. Some are happy to live with the limitations of the east coast. Some of us are not.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 2, 2014 at 3:29 pm

            Thanks for the reply, MamaLiberty.

  17. Tor Libertarian
    February 2, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    If your breeders certificate says you’re an American, and you prefer to stay in the American kennel, the devil you know as it were. Where might be you go to maximize your freedom?

    1 Ocean. Few rules if far enough from the coast.
    2 Anarchtica. McMurdo base. Civilian jobs. No government. No laws. Penguins. No one will find you there.
    3 Guam and pacific territories. Lazy laissez faire smiling peoples.
    4 Puerto Rico and Caribbean territories. Low stress, lead the good life with little effort.

    5 Alaska. some places have no county. frontier mentality. sparse population.
    6 Dakotas. fracking jobs. no cRap. sturgis. sparse population.
    7 Rural Nevada. brothels. cowboy rancher culture.
    8 Colorado & Washington. weed.

    9 New Hampshire. At least on paper, this state looks impressive.
    10 Montana, Idaho, Wyoming. wide open spaces. ranchers cowboys.
    11 Miami, Florida Keys, New Orleans, Las Vegas, etc. tourist trap anything goes attitude (if you have money to spend)
    12 Rammstein and other military bases in peaceful situations, assuming theres civilian jobs. especially Germany. Germany has a lot of freedom it seems.

    13 Deep south hillbilly hollers. Lots of places with long standing distrust of avoidance of law and order and anti-police, we’ll take care of our own ethos. Snitches wind up in the ditches, yet no big city thugs to deal with.
    14 Death Wish type ghettos, but non-violent. Just because an area is totally rundown, if you know where to look, some “hoods” are fairly livable, and no worse in violent crime than suburbs, yet the police and nannies won’t come anywhere near them.
    15 California. For all their scary rules and collectivism. They don’t have the manpower to run an effective police state. Due to budget problems, it’s not that hard to keep away from the PTB there if you know where to go.
    16 Mexico. You can go there without any official paperwork. It may be tough to get back to the states, but you can worry about that later.

  18. Tor Libertarian
    February 3, 2014 at 8:03 am

    Sick Puppies – Gunfight – Lyrics
    Here’s a little story how the west was won. The white man came and took out everyone. They used dirty blankets and they used machine guns. and they didn’t think twice about what they’d done

    Here’s a little story about Kevin Bacon. He had a bunch of money but it got taken
    He got a bunch of lawyers and he tried to sue. but Bernie looked at him and said “hey, fuck you”

    Here’s a little story about the congressman. They bailed out all of their billionaire friends. You can blame Bush or you can try to blame Obama. But you should’ve fucking learned from your daddy or your mama. that you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, you’ll lose!

    Some fights just ain’t fair. Some fights just ain’t fair. No, some fights just ain’t fair.
    You don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, you’ll lose

    Here’s a little story about Tiananmen square. The people rose up and said life ain’t fair. Now they’re sweating in a shop making iPhones there. If you stand in front of tanks, the tanks are gonna win!

    Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, you’ll lose! Don’t bring a knife… You’ll lose!

    Sick Puppies – Connect (Full A1bum) HD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-JJ7c3efE

    Sick Puppies – Tri-Polar (Explicit Full A1bum) HD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YhggZb6hE

    Sick Puppies – Dressed Up As Life (Full A1bum) HD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jSXRE8I7L8

  19. Tor Minotaur
    February 5, 2014 at 10:32 am

    Can there really be a plot to bring about a specific desired result through social, economic, political and even biological manipulation over long periods of time?

    “From the days of Adam Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.

    It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”

    - Winston Churchill

    Fear Not

    They’ll have their day in many ways. But it doesn’t have to be YOUR day. It’s really a time to get clear of it all. Pull out of their sticky system every way you can. As humanity wakes up from its slumber we’re seeing the shadows flee.

    And it is happening now, and it is truly glorious! Keep heart! Stay on top of it, and help others do the same.

    “I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality. This is why right, temporarily defeated, is stronger than evil triumphant.” – Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Love, Zen

    The Serpentine Stealth of Long Range Planners
    http://www.zengardner.com/serpentine-stealth-long-range-planners/

  20. Tor Libertarian
    February 5, 2014 at 8:58 pm

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    • dom
      February 5, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      At least we catch most of it now! I remember back in the day, even sometimes still, we’d get spam so good Eric would have conversations with it! Shit made me laugh.

      • Tor Libertarian
        February 5, 2014 at 9:52 pm

        Ha. Some of the spam itself is hilarious. Look at this one from the Taliban!

        Spam

    • Bevin
      February 5, 2014 at 9:25 pm

      Dear Tor,

      Re: spam

      “You’re semi-evil. You’re quasi-evil. You’re the margarine of evil. You’re the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie, not evil enough.”

      Spam is like the True Believers who ring your doorbell even though you have a sign that says “No Solicitors.”

      No clear rights violations are involved. No harm done really, except wasted time.

      But they probably never considered how they would feel if atheists rang their door bell and preached at them. Which as far as I know, atheists are not known to do.

      • Tor Libertarian
        February 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm

        Getting all the unwanted advertisements on the internet branded as spam? Those Hormel Foods marketing guys are brilliant!
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        • February 6, 2014 at 2:38 am

          Hormel actually *hates* the use of the name “spam” in this way: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-05-17/how-spam-meat-has-survived-spam-e-mail

          • Tor Minotaur
            February 6, 2014 at 3:27 am

            Good article.

            Here’s a Python Spam skit
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

            I don’t want any spam. Including:
            forced govt. spam
            forced religious spam
            forced advertising and brand name spam

            If only the spammizens could see the lack of value and usefulness of all their spamming and do something productive

          • Bevin
            February 6, 2014 at 4:58 am

            Dear Darien,

            I second that. Good article.

            I read that native Hawaiians became hooked on Spam during WWII.

            Why Do Hawaiians Love Spam So Much?
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/Menuism/why-do-hawaiians-love-spam-so-much_b_1901306.html

            According to the SPAM website, the island’s love affair with Spam began in World War II, when GIs were served the salty luncheon meat because it didn’t require refrigeration and had a long shelf life. The Hormel Corporation, which manufactures Spam, provided 15 million cans to Allied troops every week. Between 1941 and 1945…

            Surpluses of Spam made their way from the soldiers’ supplies into native diets throughout the Pacific.

            Spam with a modified name, also made its way into the famous comedy “Mr. Blandings Builds His Dream House,” starring Cary Grant and Myrna Loy.

            http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/33617/Mr-Blandings-Builds-His-Dream-House/overview

            One of the best bits comes near the end, when Louise Beavers, the Blandings’ cook, saves the day for everyone by ad libbing “If you ain’t eating Wham, you ain’t eating Ham.”

            I actually kind of like the taste. Don’t eat it much because of the salt content though.

  21. Tor Minotaur
    February 6, 2014 at 5:49 am

    Short films about Spam

    Spamku excerpts – asian stories
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPEqv5-qJc

    Spam-Ku
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  22. Tor Libertarian
    February 7, 2014 at 1:03 pm

    I think we could win the battle for hearts and minds today. If only we could better flesh out what it is we’re talking about. And make it manifest.

    The implications of NAP and Live and Let Live are far greater than what any of us realize.

    As a thought experiment, imagine that Eric and Dom owned a media empire and were in the market for 100 items of media. You sign the independent contractor’s agreement and other agreements, and then send them the media. They select the best 100 and destroy the rest, verified by whatever method you choose.

    You trust them to market your works and to sell them in any manner they see fit and then to provide your share of the income.

    No hierarchies and master and servant charade. No superfluous rules. No commute. No time clocks and meetings. No drudgery and team building exercises. Just production. And sales. And trust.

    We’re talking a whole plane of liberation beyond mere affirmative action, and feminist egalitarianism. No politics. No pull. Just value creation. And the exposure to viewers and the extraction of the viewers funds and sending of the funds to the media creators.

    Lily Allen – Air Balloon (Official Video)
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    Lily Allen – Recording Session with Kid Harpoon (Behind The Scenes)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agF_5OPw1fs

    We’re talking about redefining work, economics, woman’s roles, children’s roles, and capitalism as we currently know it.

    All it takes is a few people with capital, and skill.

    Eric and Dom have proven their ability to attract a 100,000 viewers to their media. All that is needed is a for a few more like them to join in common cause. To make the ideology into a reality. Right now. In our lifetimes.

    Ideology Behind the American Revolution
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#Ideology_behind_the_Revolution

    • PanarchistamericanHelot
      February 9, 2014 at 9:34 pm

      What would you say to someone who supports Socialism but thinks it’s not Socialism, rather, they think it’s “something else”? Not Fascism, either.

      I talked with a middle class well educated person who thought fracking would save the country, lift the economy, and support All government spending to the point that most people wouldn’t have to work, they’d All just get unemployment, disability and social security checks, forever. This would lift housing prices (with rising housing prices forever) and achieve full employment. Everybody could afford to buy at places such as Wal Mart and everything would be great.

      If the result was higher prices at Wal Mart, the government could just borrow more money to send out to all the people so they could still afford to shop there.

      Yeesh, talk about redefining work, economics, woman’s roles, children’s roles, and capitalism as we currently know it.

      The view of the Socialist supporter was: the companies which produced oil from fracking would sell this oil to the rest of the world, in turn, the government would take a portion of this profit to fund everything. Because it’s perceived that the government was taking the money from people outside the unitedstate – as opposed to taking it from people inside the unitedstate – it wasn’t viewed as Socialism, but “something else” (with no explanation about what that “something else” was) it was just different from the Socialism practiced elsewhere.

      The Socialist supporter put forth the idea this system would be just like they have in Saudi Arabia, where almost no one had productive jobs, everyone just received a check from their democratic government.

      Fracking was seen as The Key. Everyone who wasn’t on the dole could get jobs with fracking related companies, or work at Wal Mart.

      It wasn’t perceived as being a bad system because the government would be taking money sent in by the rest of the world. The world could support the unitedstate, forever. Any slack could be picked up by more government borrowing.

      Aside from the idea that theft is wrong, what would you say to that?

      And, no. I’m not making this up.

      • methylamine
        February 9, 2014 at 10:29 pm

        First, I’d question the “middle-class well-educated” part.

        Everything he says as you relate it betrays absolute, abject economic ignorance…of the worst variety. It’s childlike; I personally know fifth-graders who could rip his argument to shreds.

        First of all the arithmetic doesn’t work; can he not see that? Add up the GDP–a misleading number, granted, but a rough working estimate anyway. $16 trillion. Take world oil production–73 million barrels/day, times 365, times about $100/barrel…gives you a world oil market of $2.6 trillion/year.

        Oh. Whoops. Guess you’re a dumbfuck, Mr. Well-Educated Socialist.

        So I cheated a little. I actually did it in my head based on a guess of 50million barrels/day…then looked it up. But I was close without even trying.

        Even if the numbers worked–does he stop and think for even a second about the massive problems with having “the government” distribute that wealth?

        Well. Think of it this way–the 60% has never mattered. It’s the intelligent, motivated, and actually educated/aware minority that’s always swung history one way or the other.

        • PanarchistamericanHelot
          February 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm

          Ya, I should have used the phrase, “University educated” or something similar in place of, ‘well-educated’.

          If I see that person again I’ll have to try and mention that if the government took 100% of the profits of world oil production it likely wouldn’t even cover half the expenditures of the unitedstate government for one year, right now, let alone with an increase.

          The response will probably be, the government can just keep borrowing the shortfall, forever.

          Mang, I doubt a person with that viewpoint can be persuaded.

          …And you think 60% of the population has a similar take on things? Uphill climb.

          • methylamine
            February 9, 2014 at 11:56 pm

            Borrow the rest, huh? Forgot to address THAT little gem.

            How’s he think that’s going to work? Interest alone cost “us” about $450 billion last year…and that’s with the lowest interest rates in history.

            I put his “thinking” in the category of what’s referred to in children–toddlers, really–as “magical thinking”.

            Totally divorced from reality.

            Let me guess–this same person knows the statistics for his favorite sports figures backward and forward?

            I literally want to vomit when the guys at work talk about sports. One of them said to me once “how do you remember all this stuff?” when I spouted some history of our meddling in Iran…the 1953 CIA/Kermit Roosevelt/Mossadegh coup.

            Easy. Because I don’t fill my head with useless fucking sports drivel! I agree with Alex Jones. It’s a male soap opera. I’d go further–it’s crypto-faggotry. It’s a bunch of arrested-development men who’ve never suffered hardship living vicariously through false images of manhood; who’ve never had a rite of passage with their fathers, who also related to them in terms of the male soap opera.

          • eric
            February 10, 2014 at 7:01 am

            Hi Meth,

            I’m cutting and posting this nugget of literary excellence:

            “Because I don’t fill my head with useless fucking sports drivel! I agree with Alex Jones. It’s a male soap opera. I’d go further–it’s crypto-faggotry. It’s a bunch of arrested-development men who’ve never suffered hardship living vicariously through false images of manhood; who’ve never had a rite of passage with their fathers, who also related to them in terms of the male soap opera.”

            Perfect. Because true.

            I also want to vomit when I overhear other guys talking… invariably about “the game.” They literally talk about almost nothing else. It is depressing beyond words to hear just how effectively TPTB have manipulated/diverted men to obsess about mindless trivia – exactly like the (all too true) stereotype about women and soap operas, celebrity worship, handbag adulation und so weiter.

            Fuuuuhhhhhhhhhtttttball channels normal male instincts in such a way as to render men no threat to the status quo. Don’t cripple their brains – merely use social and other forms of “nudging” to focus mens’ attention on a got-damned game. Let them vent their anger, their passion, impotently – so that it is never directed at real problems.

            Let them define themselves as men according to the vicarious achievements of other men. Watching – as opposed to doing for themselves.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 10, 2014 at 12:10 am

            I can’t say I disagree with you about that whole ‘sports’ bit, methylamine. But surprisingly, he wasn’t a sports zombie.

            Has a lot more money than I do too. So I wouldn’t call him stupid. A bit delusional, perhaps? Maybe it’s due to big pharma products? I do not know.

            It seems to me it’s a good glimpse into how a whole lot of people think. I just wondered how best to counter such.

          • methylamine
            February 10, 2014 at 12:16 am

            @PAH–my passion for this is a little more over-the-top than usual…and my language reflects it.

            I’m getting frustrated with some of my discussions. I feel like I’ve already moved mentally to the next step–fixing it.

            While most of those around me are still stuck at the end of denial and the beginning of anger.

            I just want to do a brain-dump on them; “Look! Here’s how it works. It’s horrible and evil. Arrest them, try them, hang them, hurry, let’s move on. Start using silver and gold for money…”

            Just hurry up and get it OVER so we can recover already. Statism is dead, it just doesn’t know it yet. It’s like that huge dinosaur that had a brain in its head AND its tail. It’s been decapitated, but the tail-brain is still sending signals and it’s thrashing around breaking everything.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 10, 2014 at 1:07 am

            RE: “I just want to do a brain-dump on them”

            Ha. Ya, I know the feeling.

            I copied some choice articles (not many, didn’t want it to be overwhelming and ignored) onto a cheap USB drive. Then I printed out an article I thought some friends and relatives might find interesting. I took some Scotch tape and attached the USB drive to the article and gave them out saying, “You might find this interesting. It’s up to you, or not. If you liked it, there’s more on the drive.”

            I told a few of them that if they liked what they read they should pass it on to someone else. A few of them I even gave a DVD copy of the film, ‘What in The World Are They Spraying?’

            I sort of wished I’d waited a day longer to hand them out so I could have included this gem:

            The Starfield Revelations

            http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/the-starfield-revelations/

          • Bevin
            February 10, 2014 at 2:31 am

            Dear meth,

            “Easy. Because I don’t fill my head with useless fucking sports drivel! I agree with Alex Jones. It’s a male soap opera. I’d go further–it’s crypto-faggotry. It’s a bunch of arrested-development men who’ve never suffered hardship living vicariously through false images of manhood; who’ve never had a rite of passage with their fathers, who also related to them in terms of the male soap opera.”

            Gee meth, why don’t you tell us how you really feel? Don’t be so mealy mouthed fer chrissakes!

            Kidding aside, I could not agree more.

            By contrast, here’s a really “manly” sport:
            Winter Olympics 2014 Preview: Biathlon Training | Sochi Olympics
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nFeYC0neT4

          • Bevin
            February 10, 2014 at 8:13 am

            Dear Eric, Meth,

            American football is basically a castrated version of warfare between two armies facing off on a traditional battlefield.

            It dissipates the energy that should rightly have gone into rebelling against the Leviathan State, one’s real enemy, into artificial surrogate enemies such as the “home team” and the “visiting team.”

            That’s why one of the few “officially sanctioned” sports that I can get behind is the Biathalon. Basically it’s “shoot and scoot” sniper training disguised as a “sport.” Its usefulness for the sovereign individual attempting to survive in a SHTF scenario is pretty damned obvious!

          • methylamine
            February 10, 2014 at 10:17 am

            @Eric & Bevin–thanks guys. It’s so good to be among like minds on this site, it’s a place to refresh in between battles Out There.

            The sports-redirection is very clever; it’s absolutely analogous to pornography and masturbation. It hijacks a core survival instinct and subverts it.

            Perfect.

          • Bevin
            February 10, 2014 at 11:10 am

            Dear meth,

            Soccer, sad to say, is also problematic.

            The European game of soccer is less militaristic. It does not resemble warfare as much as American football. Soccer players are less violent on the field than American football players.

            But soccer FAN violence is arguably even more violent. Fan vs. fan European soccer violence is arguably even more like warfare than player vs. player American football violence.

            The connection between American football and US government militarism became especially apparent with the Pat Tillman debacle. To Tillman’s credit he was open minded enough to awaken to the deceit. Sad to say it was too late.

            http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-big-screen-documentary-exposes-pat-tillman-cover-up.html

      • Bevin
        February 9, 2014 at 10:29 pm

        Dear Pan,

        “What would you say to someone who supports Socialism but thinks it’s not Socialism, rather, they think it’s “something else”? Not Fascism, either.”

        You mean like your typical member of the Republican National Committee?

        • PanarchistamericanHelot
          February 9, 2014 at 10:48 pm

          Ha. RNC. Yup. Them too.

      • PanarchistamericanHelot
        February 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm

        Or, is it impossible to talk sense to the FSA?:

        Obama Democrats’ troubling view on work

        ““Opportunity created by affordable, quality health insurance allows families in America to make a decision about how they will work, or if they will work,” Jay Carney said. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi applauded the law for freeing people from “job-lock.” [...]

        The disease is that leading Democrats view fewer workers and more dependency as a good thing. [...]

        This anti-job, pro-dependency tilt is the crux of the nation’s polarization. In essence, it pits those who believe in the sanctity of work against those who believe in penalizing wealth and redistributing its fruits.

        Not all Democrats agree with that approach, but the party is now controlled by those who do. It is the party that celebrates subsidies and rewards states for getting more people on food stamps. It opens the door wider for disability payments and fights for unemployment benefits like it once fought for jobs. It does these things not because of an emergency but because of a warped ideology.” …

        http://nypost.com/2014/02/09/obama-democrats-troubling-view-on-work/

      • Tor Minotaur
        February 9, 2014 at 11:03 pm

        I’ll call the new system National Resourcism. Under NR the highest purpose of government, even above defense, social safety net, justice, education, is the production of a vast surplus of commodities and finished goods.

        All existing agencies would be freed from their current rules based mandates, the purpose of all government is now, to increase the local stockpile. To expand the assets of the local balance sheet.

        Governmental balance sheets would include all manner of assets. Oil, precious metals, firewood, lumber, water, megawatt hours, electronics, machinery, tools, housing, buildings, media. Banks would have acres and acres of real wealth. Libraries would be filled with tools, and machinery. It would be a wealthocracy.

        All manner of domestic and international trade would be engaged in. All with the goal of increasing and diversifying the national wealth. Schools, jails, bureaucracies, wherever there was government mandated groupings of people, you can be sure that everyone is well employed trying to create more tangible wealth.

        Under NR, the basic flaw of government is corrected. Government would be only about creating value, and nothing else really would matter, as long as this basic purpose was fulfilled.

        • PanarchistamericanHelot
          February 10, 2014 at 1:16 am

          That’s kind of scary, Tor.

          Scary, in that I’d think many of them would like that just fine.

  23. Tor Minotaur
    February 9, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Dystopian Futures – A Sci-Fi Movie Mashup
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJxkI4vPXlE

    Diamonds are for Zardoz Mashup
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    • Bevin
      February 9, 2014 at 8:35 pm

      Dear Tor,

      Actually, some of the “dystopian” futures looked pretty “utopian” to me.

      I mean, look at Detroit for example. Anything looks better than that.

      • Eightsouthman
        February 10, 2014 at 12:03 am

        @ Bevin. I’ve read you can buy a house in Detroit for a few dollars. Or even some businesses. Of course that sounds a bit simplistic but crazier things have happened. But the old adage about hitting bottom and the only way is up seems to describe the whole situation there. Just this past week the COP(chief of police) there said he was hopeful that handgun permit carry would be a good thing to the chagrin of the beatch who was shrilly taking him to task for saying people shouldn’t be able to protect themselves under the guise that armed citizens are simply vigilantes which he rejected as such. Detroit might be the only large city worth living in soon.

        • PanarchistamericanHelot
          February 10, 2014 at 12:24 am

          Detroit seems like it’s a city to live in now. And, it’s a sight better than many places. Have you read this stuff?:

          http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/12/26/amid-detroits-bankruptcy-new-vibrancy-emerges

          http://detroitrusttoriches.blogspot.com/

        • Bevin
          February 10, 2014 at 1:16 am

          Dear 8sm,

          “@ Bevin. I’ve read you can buy a house in Detroit for a few dollars.”

          Would that be “A Fistful of Dollars?”

          Anyway, I like it! My comment about Detroit was merely about the visual imagery.

          Karen DeCoster wrote about this renewed optimism a while back. I left a comment at her blog, and she responded.

          FYI:

          http://detroitrusttoriches.blogspot.tw/2013/11/did-anthony-bourdain-diss-detroit.html

          6 comments:

          Bevin ChuNovember 30, 2013 at 5:53:00 AM EST

          Dear Ms. DeCoster,

          Love Detroit’s renewed vitality, spontaneously arising from government “neglect.”

          But as soon as Detroit returns to life as an unintended result of all that government “neglect,” won’t government “concern” restart the process of strangling Detroit to death all over again?

          Until a critical mass of the public disabuses itself of the Myth of Authority, I can’t help remaining a little nervous about our future.
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          Karen DeCosterNovember 30, 2013 at 7:14:00 AM EST

          Bevin — that is the struggle, indeed. As the feds start to throw their $$$ this way, we start to walk toward that path of central planning once again. However, the theme remains that this vitality still goes on *in spite of* the attempts to lasso Detroit. It will move forward in parallel to anything the feds attempt to do to strangle the runaway market activity. They can’t shut down the renaissance of people, ideas, and private dollars.
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        • eric
          February 10, 2014 at 6:53 am

          Hi Eight,

          In re Detroit: As an individual (especially a white individual) I think moving to Detroit is a very bad idea. However, a group of people (of whatever race but committed to NAP Libertarianism) could pull off a real hat trick, I think.

          Imagine: 25 people (individuals, couples, etc.) scout out a block (or two or three, whatever their resources allow) and buy up everything. Apparently, the cost per house is so low this is very, very doable. $20k (or less) for a freestanding single family house. Ok, so the group buys up every house within a certain perimeter. The core is the initial safe area, where the women and kids stay. The men set up a picket/security around the outer perimeter. Very doubtful the disorganized, low-IQ thugs in the region will be either interested in or capable of effectively challenging a determined group of intelligent, armed men dedicated to protecting their “homesteads” and families.

          • BrentP
            February 10, 2014 at 1:08 pm

            The low IQ thugs follow their prey. They’ve probably moved on from many a detroit neighborhood.

          • Bevin
            February 10, 2014 at 7:55 pm

            Dear Eric, Brent,

            “Ok, so the group buys up every house within a certain perimeter. The core is the initial safe area, where the women and kids stay. The men set up a picket/security around the outer perimeter. Very doubtful the disorganized, low-IQ thugs in the region will be either interested in or capable of effectively challenging a determined group of intelligent, armed men dedicated to protecting their “homesteads” and families.”

            This is perfectly a reasonable line of thinking. But it suddenly struck me how much it sounds like the Zombie Apocalypse, specifically The Walking Dead!

            “After several months on the road, the group finds the prison… They decide to move into the prison the next day and try to make the prison into a safe fortress. “

            http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Prison

            No wonder the show strikes such a chord in fans. We’re living it! It is closer to fact than fiction.

            Eric, I would be hesitant to automatically lump all women in the “protected” rather than “protector” category.
            Top 20 Soviet female snipers of ww2

          • eric
            February 11, 2014 at 4:22 am

            Hi Bevin,

            Agreed in re women; when writing I try to avoid (to me) clumsy-seeming language. Hence no “he or she” – and so on. In general, it’s men who’ll be doing the work of physical security. Because – in general – men are by nature advantaged and by inclination/experience more often have superior skills in this respect.

            Mind, I am all for women who can fight – and shoot.

            But in America, this is pretty uncommon.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 11, 2014 at 4:48 am

            Well, that video of the Russian sniper chickas was irritating as hell. I couldn’t get the timestamp window to close, it blocked everything! I couldn’t even see if the the Mosin was nice.

          • eric
            February 11, 2014 at 5:10 am

            Enemy at The Gates was a pretty good flick. Except, of course, for the cliched glossing over of the reality that the Soviets were as loathsome as the Nazis. More so, arguably.

          • Bevin
            February 11, 2014 at 5:12 am

            Dear Eric,

            I dislike the “he or she” term too. Much too artificial and PC.

            I think a good way to approach that would be for men to use “he” when writing, and women to use “she.” That way it will reflect their own gender, and also even out statistically. That way it will not be “sexist” but simply egocentric.

            Dear Pan,

            Sorry about the vid. But it was the most pertinent content wise.

          • Bevin
            February 11, 2014 at 5:31 am

            Dear Eric,

            Re: Enemy at the Gates

            I’m not sure it glossed over Soviet evils as much as you may have remembered.

            It cast the protagonist Vasily Zaitsev in a positive light of course. He is a conventional hero, rather than an anti-hero.

            But the way it portrayed Joseph Stalin and Nikita Krushchev, and their atrocities against their fellow Russians, cast the Soviet regime in a pretty negative light.

            The river crossing scene and the charge against machine gun emplacements scene showed the regime murdering its own soldiers when they retreated in the face of withering German fire.

            Also, the Ron Perlman character was tortured for doing what the regime ordered him to do. KGB Interrogators pulled his teeth out.

            Anyway, that was my impression. YMMV.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 11, 2014 at 5:47 am

            Bevin wrote, ‘Also, the Ron Perlman character was tortured for doing what the regime ordered him to do. KGB Interrogators pulled his teeth out. ”

            It’s so weird. Today, I could so easily see agents of the unitedstate doing just that. Talk about, ‘serous disconnect’.

          • PanarchistamericanHelot
            February 11, 2014 at 6:36 am

            Sometimes, I wonder if my comments are just too much for the Internet, and all I do is scare people away?

            I’m looking at this bit:

            “Speaking of the TSA, our founding fathers would be shooting and/or hanging those bastards if they were alive today! ” …

            http://www.crimefilenews.com/2014/02/our-police-state-identification.html

            And I can just see people running away from the truth, screaming and tucking their heads under a blanket, or a rug, or whatever sand pile they can find.

            Some days, I think I should just STFU. Nobody is listening. …And, they like it like that. “Onward Uber-empire!”?

  24. Tor Libertarian
    February 10, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Moving to Detroit and making your own neighborhood certainly has possibilities. Just don’t make the mistake portrayed in the film Gran Torino.

    There’s no God Given right to store extremely valuable possessions in a place like Inner City Detroit. When in Rome, adjust yourself accordingly.

    Store your valuable autos and other possessions somewhere else, that way you won’t have thugs or public sector praetorians breaking into your garage every day and robbing you blind.

    The Vehicles of the Movie Gran Torino

    Also, if you’re going to be an inner-city white guy, its a good idea to develop an exaggerated persona like Dan Aykroyd’s urban avatar – Doctor Detroit.

    Devo – Theme from Doctor Detroit

    No need to look. He’s not in the book. The doctor’s not an M.D. What he does this time he does for free. Don’t you try to run. It gets you from behind. Like a common cold. It takes you for a ride. Now call me doctor. They love to watch him operate.

    Doctor Detroit

    “I warn you, I’m a chiropractor! I will use my skills negatively!”

  25. Tor Minotaur
    February 10, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    A great video Bevin. In much of America. There is no army. There is no government. No order. No hospitals. No police. It’s all gone. No payphones. No serious computers. As far as we can see, at least half the population has been philosophically wiped out. Probably more.

    It’s a third world prison wearing a first-world disguise. There’s just this virtual haven, under constant attack from googul & spammers. That’s why we have to go in there. Hand to hand. Weapons, and fuel, and medicine. That place could be a gold mine.

    The Walking/Talking Dead – Bad Lip Reading

    “A woman-thug stole my banjo, you have a new one?”

    The Walking Dead – Gangnam Style

    Honest Trailers – The Walking Dead

    • Bevin
      February 10, 2014 at 10:14 pm

      Dear Tor,

      Remember Rand’s metaphor “moral cannibalism”?

      It is altruism that has corrupted and perverted human benevolence by regarding the giver as an object of immolation, and the receiver as a helplessly miserable object of pity who holds a mortgage on the lives of others—a doctrine which is extremely offensive to both parties, leaving men no choice but the roles of sacrificial victim or moral cannibal…

      The Walking Dead is essentially a SF/horror story concretization of Rand’s metaphor.

      Therein lies its emotional power. Something inside us responds to it.

      • Tor Libertarian
        February 11, 2014 at 6:40 am

        Yes, I completely agree. That is why I am prepared to tolerate all manner of things, because the alternative is Moral Cannibalism. I’m also wary of NAP becoming just another version of Moral Cannibalism.

        Here in this city of 2 million, all manner of people are doing all manner of things. I don’t expect them to live for me, or to respect the same things I respect. If I give them opportunity, they will rob me or worse, so I try not to do that. I don’t consider my personal space to expand much outside my line of sight and occupied personal property at any given moment.

        To my mind, there are no crimes occurring right now. Except for the overarching crime of the ruling class of thugs who have beguiled the people and expanded their sense of entitlement and right to quiet and harmony beyond all reason.

        We can all get along, except whenever two parties can’t. And then they can have a duel and find out who is right. Whoever is left after the duel, well that is who was right, I reckon. Problem solved. Everyone go back about your business now.

        The Rifleman – A Natural Law Problem Solver
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2oZ6Kv_qo

        The Libertarian Manifesto by John Hospers

        Libertarianism is the doctrine that every person is the owner of his own life and that no one is the owner of anyone else’s life: and that consequently every human being has the right to act in accordance with his own choices, unless those actions infringe on the equal liberty of other human beings to act in accordance with their choices.

        1. No one is anyone else’s master, and no one is anyone else’s slave.
        - Slavery is forced servitude, and since no one owns the life of anyone else, no one has the right to enslave another.
        2. Other men’s lives are not yours to dispose of.
        - We should be aware of inventors of utopias.
        3. No human being should be a non-voluntary mortgage on the life of another.
        - I cannot claim your life, your work, or the products of your effort as mine.
        - The theft of your money by a robber is not justified by the fact that he used it to help his injured mother.

        § Each human being has the right to live his life as he chooses, compatibly with the equal right of all other human beings to live their lives as they choose.
        1. Each man has the right to life: any attempt by others to take it away from him or even to injure him, violates this right, through the use of coercion against him.
        2. Each man has the right to liberty: to conduct his life in accordance with the alternatives open to him without coercive action by others.
        3. Every man has a right to property: to work to sustain his life (and the lives of whichever he chooses to sustain, such as his family) and to retain the fruits of his labor.

        § The right to property is as basic as the other two: indeed, without property rights no other rights are possible. Depriving you of property is depriving you of the means to live.

        § [Individual right] “This activity I must be able to perform without interference from others. For you and everyone else, this is off limits.” I may not encroach upon his domain any more than he upon mine, without my consent.

        § Every right entails a duty, true—but the duty is only that of forbearance—that is, of refraining from violating the other person’s right. It [property rights] will protect you against the aggressive activities of other men.

        § Nor were these rights created by government. Property rights are often violated by governments. Government has always been the chief enemy of the right to property. It has the power to coerce (but not the right).

        § Property is everything you own. It [property rights] is the right to work for it, to obtain non-coercively the money or services which you can present in voluntary exchange. It is your assurance that what you have worked to earn will still be there and be yours, when you wish or need to use it, especially when you are too old to work any longer.

        § Depriving people of property is depriving them of the means by which they live—the freedom of the individual citizen to do what he wishes with his own life and to plan for the future. The effect of such actions, of course, is that people lose hope and incentive. Property rights are what makes long-range planning possible—the kind of planning which is a distinctly human endeavor. Without the right to property, the right to life itself amounts to little.

        § The right to free speech doesn’t give one the right to say anything anywhere; it is circumscribed by property rights.

        § On some communal property: It involves no violation of individual property rights, as long as everybody consents to this arrangement and no one is forced to join it and everyone can get out of the arrangement if they no longer like it.

        § On all communal property: No one would be responsible for anything, the property would soon be destroyed/used up/ nonfunctional.

        § Violation of rights = use of force (Force is behavior that requires the unwilling involvement of the other persons. [not necessarily in the sense of violence]). Also, sound waves, effects of pollution

        § Government is the most dangerous institution known to man. The proper role of government is that of the protection of the citizen against aggression by other individuals. The government should never initiate aggression; its proper role is as the embodiment of the retaliatory use of force against anyone who initiates its use. It should not enter into any other areas such as religion, social organization, and economies.

        § As such, the government must have physical power (police and armed forces). Beyond that, the government should not intrude upon his life, either run his business or adjust his daily activities, or prescribe his personal moral code.

        § The function of government is the protection of human rights:
        1. The right to life
        2. The right to liberty
        3. The right to property
        § Each has the right to live in the way he pleases, but each must live with the consequences of his own decision.

        § Three types of laws:
        1. Laws protecting individuals against themselves (libertarians do not like this)
        2. Laws protecting individuals against aggression from other individuals (libertarians like this only)
        3. Laws requiring people to help one another, such as welfare. (Libertarians do not like this)

        § Governments, in the guise of humanitarianism, have given to some by taking from others. And in so doing they have decreased incentive, violated the rights of individuals and lowered the standard of living of almost everyone.
        - A Moral cannibal is one who believes he has the right to live off the spirit of other human beings—who believes that he has the moral claim on the productive capacity, time and effort expended by others

  26. Tor Libertarian
    February 11, 2014 at 7:32 am

    Dear Pana…lot,

    A questioning and functioning mind should always be testing and reconceiving what “reality” is.

    Most of what people accept as real, to my mind, is just another aspect of Tetrahedral Sally, the ruling sing-song-voiced Tet that rules our society and sucks the life out of the world. Who wants to be “an effective team” anyway? Not me.

    Most of the time, people aren’t being real. They’re following algorithms and adhering to regimens and hierarchies. To the extent that is the case, screw ‘em, they don’t deserve anything from you. Don’t feed the cannibals.

    Sally, villian from Oblivion
    http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Sally_(Oblivion)

    Although one’s initial impression of Sally is that of a twangy, southern belle, she is eventually revealed to be something much more sinister.

    We Are Not An Effective Team – Oblivion
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl04_HmrnYo

    “Sally” is revealed to be a humongous, tetrahedron-like alien AI that simply adopted the appearance and mannerisms of Jack, Vicca, and Julia’s actual former NASA team commander.

    The alien intelligence within the Tet captured Jack and Vicca’s ship in the year 2016, Jack and Vicca are but two of thousands of clones that the AI Sally created to eliminate the humans and help drain the Earth’s resources to convert into energy before moving on to the next planet.

    Fuck You Sally
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxU4XQVUvYo

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