Dealing with Cops These Days . . .

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In a word – don’t.Officer Unfriendly

Not if you can help it.

Officer Friendly is a fiction – a vicious fable sold to schoolkids – who soon learn in one way or another that any interaction with a cop is a likely to be a bad interaction. You are dealing with perhaps the worst possible tag-team combination: Someone with legal power over you who is held to a different – and far more lenient – standard than you are. And therefore, you are dealing with a person who is much more likely to do things – not nice things – than you or I or any other person sans special costume and badge might be inclined to do. After all – why not? Especially if one is a bully – or an outright sadist – and the cop profession attracts exactly that type precisely because of the nature of the work. In its own way, giving a bully a badge is like giving a fat kid free reign at the candy store. Expecting him not to eat is almost silly.

But we are dealing with a thing much worse than mere gluttony.stop and frisk picture

A cop can:

* Commit assault with near-impunity. He might be fired. He probably will not be. It is hard to hold him personally responsible – let alone liable. His expenses will be handled by the department, by the county – which means, you will subsidize your own abuse, even if you do win in court . A cop enjoys “sovereign immunity” by dint of his special outfit and badge.

* He can draw his firearm and point it at you – even shoot at you – without fear of life-altering consequences – such as a felony record for brandishing and reckless endangerment. Much less a murder rap. But if one of us should happen to kill a police dog…. the canine “officer’s” life is regarded by the law as more valuable than ours.

And, of course, if a cop shoots your dog. . .  .Dnews SSLStandoff14

* He can rely on his cronies and the system to cover up or minimize his errors of judgment, even when they involve serious harm to innocent people such as yourself. Evidence can disappear – or be manufactured. They are professionals – a team of them. You are an amateur – and on your own.

* His word will be treated as legal tender in court – while yours is considered suspect, biased – and will probably be dismissed out-of-hand as “hearsay” by the judge.

His very person is anointed.

* If you strike a cop, the consequences will be certain – and severe. Even if done in self-defense against a cop who has abused his already almost limitless authority – as, for example, breaking down the wrong door during a no-knock raid.

* If he is harmed in any way in the course of apprehending you, there will be additional charges levied against you for this. But if you are injured by him – including gratuitous injuries – it is unlikely any meaningful sanctions will be applied. Perhaps a letter of reprimand will be placed in his file.bacon pigs picture

What is the lesson to take away from all of this?

Avoid cops.

Do not engage them in conversation. They will view any questioning of their authority as a provocation. Answer – if you must – in a flat monotone. Yes. No. Am I free to go?

Do not look to them for help.

Something like this could be the end result:

Teach your kids to be wary of them. To view them as potentially dangerous strangers – which is exactly what they are.

Show signs of disgust when others refer to them as “heroes.” Do not watch Blue Porno – TV shows that lionize cops.

Never voluntarily permit one on your property, or allow him to cross the threshold and enter your home. Do not even open the door – unless you must.  Always remember that they are on the other side of a very important line. That notwithstanding any superficial civilities, there is impersonal, arbitrary violence behind those mirrored sunglasses.great white picture

Do, in brief, everything you can to avoid even being noticed by one – so that you can avoid having to interact with one at all.

Keep a low profile. Do what you must to blend in. Make sure your vehicle’s government-approval stickers and so on are up to date, that there is nothing about your vehicle (such as a burned out headlight) to give them an excuse. Run silent, run deep. At least until our odds improve. And with every day, with every new video of the truth about the nature of the relationship between us and them that gets posted on YouTube, the stories that are becoming harder and harder to suppress and dismiss, the balance shifts a little more. It will not be much longer. Until then, bide your time – and keep your head down.

This will keep you safe.

Look upon cops in the same way a scuba diver does the sharks of the ocean. Both are opportunistic predators who can strike unpredictably, with devastating consequences. By exercising hypervigilance – and never making the mistake of thinking either is anything other than an opportunistic predator, one can minimize greatly the chances of becoming chum.

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  200 comments for “Dealing with Cops These Days . . .

  1. ekrampitzjr
    September 6, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    Eric said, “Do not watch Blue Porno – TV shows that lionize cops.”

    Some years ago a great tell-all book about the Los Angeles Police Department appeared. It shouldn’t surprise any of you to find that it exercised creative control over the old TV show Adam-12 just as heavily as the FBI did under J. “Edna” Hoover for the old Efrem Zimbalist, Jr., series named after it.

    • James Bigam
      April 1, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      When Shit hits the fan well be out there picking off the cops one by one

  2. Ed
    September 5, 2013 at 12:12 am

    ““Government” and “Authority” are complete delusions, total myths, and the most successful long con ever devised.”

    Fuckin’ A. Truer words ain’t never been spoke.

    • September 5, 2013 at 12:25 am

      Dear Ed,

      I was always against Big Government, from Day One. I was a Classical Liberal in college. John Locke. Adam Smith.

      But I can’t believe how long it took before I finally let go of the “limited government” paradigm!

      That’s how successful the long con is.

      • Tor Minotaur
        September 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm

        It is a terrible con. One that always needs new victims. First it was the natives that were here before the Europeans took over. Then rich southerners. Then anyone who liked to drink or have fun. Then anyone who didn’t keep a flag stuffed up his ass 24/7.

        Now its all the natives who were here before the UN metrosexual globalists took over. Like the natives, we too will be rounded up and forced onto unworkable suburban reservations. And left to wither away and beg for scraps. That’s the way their con works.
        – – – – – –

        In many ways, Ayn Rand and Ron Paul brought me to where I am today. While I appreciate their many contributions, I will never share their sophistication and high mindedness. And like you, I am much more skeptical that government has any legitimate role to play than they do.

        Currently, the least worst government seems to me to be that of France. Though on paper it is horribly authoritarian. Enforcement of and adherence to its edicts is weak. Its failure to impose things top down actually ends up being a feature that yields a fairly livable system of local and specialist guidelines that are crafted and enforced from the bottom up.
        – – – – – –

        Larken Rose says he’s working on some kind of “secret project” yet he also found time to put out two more kicks to the cerebrum controversial videos.

        Minarchism – Great Start Horrible Finish

        Free State Project Cowardice?

        Libertarian Anarchist Chris Cantwell
        Porcupine Non Grata

        • September 7, 2013 at 1:53 am

          Dear Tor,

          “Minarchism – Great Start Horrible Finish” was a good video. I left a comment:

          Bevin Chu 9 minutes ago

          Great talk!

          The tail end pretty much summed up Ayn Rand, who got stuck at minarchism and subsequently passed by.

          Rand was a great thinker. A major influence on me. But tragically she dug in her heels and refused to follow her own logic to its ultimate conclusion.

          To use her own expression, she “blanked out.” To use her own expression, she failed to “check her premises.”

          After all, wasn’t she the one who rightly said there could never be any compromise between food and poison?

          Larken is persuasive for many reasons. One is his frankness. He admits he himself struggled with minarchism for years and only came around to anarchism belatedly. He admits he was a flag-waving Republican constitutionalist for years before finally realizing the whole framework was nonsense.

          Ironically this makes him more persuasive, not less.

          • Garysco
            September 7, 2013 at 4:53 am

            Rand also said to comply with overwhelming force when necessary (Ref: John Galt’s arrest scene).

            Any person or group of fools who think they are going to shoot it out with government agents and survive for any length of time in anything close to “freedom” are moron non-thinkers. They will Waco anyone in their path.

            Ah yes, it is very difficult and time consuming to research the facts and think for yourself. Unfortunately human nature is to look for a leader (or a FSP) to tell them what to do or think, and all groups get infiltrated over time. As Alcoholics Anonymous points out, it is easier to lay in your pile of warm crap then to go out in the cold.

            The more I consider all this, and search for a personal remedy (more than just bitching about it) I come to the conclusion it all revolves around money and control. The evil system collapses of its own weight when there is enough withdrawal of each. If 10% were to take their money out of a bank (any bank) it will collapse overnight. Mahatma Gandhi discovered how effective withdrawal of consent can be. Unfortunately the group (tribe or religious dogma) syndrome was too strong and it became socialist/ communist/ Marxist.

            Aside from her personal ego faults, maybe that is why Rand is so hated?

          • September 7, 2013 at 5:25 am

            Dear Gary,

            Re: when to resist physically

            I agree. Not resisting when they have the drop on you, does not that mean you “sanctioned” their actions, anymore than not resisting when a mugger has the drop on you means you “sanctioned” his armed robbery.

            Your life belongs to you. Therefore your decision to hand over your wallet in lieu of taking a bullet to the head and winding up six feet under, is a judgment call that only you can make.

            That is not the same as being a sheeple. Being one of the sheeple means actually wanting and clamoring for taxes and “benefits,” and being part of the rabble that brings government into existence through one’s beliefs and behavior.

            As long as one speaks out and attempts to discredit the system, one is not a sheeple.

      • ozymandias
        September 7, 2013 at 2:42 am

        Mike: It’s called a confidence game. Why? Because you give me your confidence? No. Because I give you mine.

        Joey: The bitch is a booster.
        Mike: The bitch is a born thief, man.
        Mr. Dean: So, you had her made from the jump?
        Mike: I’m tellin’ ya. A ton of fuckin’ bricks! Show me some REAL con-men.
        Joey: Yeah, we showed her some con-men.
        Mike: We showed her some DINOSAUR con-men. Some old style.
        Joey: Yes, sir.
        Mike: Years from now, they’re gonna have to go to a museum to see a frame like this.
        Joey: That’s right.
        Mr. Dean: Took her money and screwed her, too.
        Mike: A small price to pay.

        Mike: Hey, FUCK you! This is what you always wanted, you crooked BITCH! You THIEF! You always need to get caught, cuz you KNOW you’re bad. I never hurt anybody… I never shot anybody… You sought this out… This is what you always wanted. I knew it the FIRST time you came in… You’re WORTHLESS, you know it? You’re a WHORE! You came back like a DOG to its own VOMIT! You sick BITCH! I’m not gonna GIVE you SHIT!

        Mr. Dean: Mike, how did you know she was gonna go for it?
        Mike: Go for it? Hey, the broad’s an addict!

        Mike: Everybody gets something out of every transaction.

        ~ some snips from “house of games”

        cons are a partner dance*. “you can’t cheat an honest man.” for any of those that are encountered, pretense is dispensed with, & overt robbery is adopted. long, short, or ultra-short is not much of a distinction.

        mamet, on poker. hear the refrain? can you/they refrain? that’s the question. and the general answer is “no”. it may well be contagious, or metastatic, too.

        *simplifying, by setting aside time-limited exemptions such as naivete/ignorance – reserved for the young. stupidity, otoh, which even as it may be more permanent, is less of an issue than many assume. integrity quotient, character, is far more relevant than intelligence quotient. self-deception first, then other-deception, is the sequence. and telos – ends – in low iq1 hands slip-slides down slope into the ends justifies the means ditch. “pragmatism”, which amerikans are particularly fond of, identify with, is the real pave stone to hell.

  3. Boothe
    August 29, 2013 at 12:09 am

    To “The Shocker”: You’re apparently the one living on another planet or slightly out of phase with this space time continuum. One of my first encounters with the thin blue line of swine was back in 1977. I was traveling west on the Colonial Trail one night when Trooper Busybody pulled me over for, and I quote, “driving to good.” That was back in the day when you could still call them out for behavior like this and not get a wood shampoo, so I did. But the situation has done nothing but get worse. Maybe you believe all the “general deterrent” bovine hyperbole they’ve fed us all these years. But I’ve had more than enough life experience to convince me that the only reason I haven’t had more trouble with “real” criminals than I’ve had with cops, is because the real criminals are actually afraid that I might defend myself. The state sanctioned collection agents know I don’t dare. Because like Ron White said, I don’t know how many of them it would take to snuff me out, but I know how many they would use and that’d be as many as it takes.

    And when I have been the victim of “real” crimes, the cops haven’t done a thing about it. It’s true that they did arrest the serial rapist that walked in on my (now ex-) wife in 1987. But that was only after she put a bullet hole all the way through him. Let’s face it, he wasn’t too much of a “threat to officer safety” laying there on my deck in MAS trousers with an occlusive dressing over the wound. Actually the rescue squad and Nightingale air evac took him into “custody” at the Medical College of Virginia while the cops stood around. When the state police investigator needed to remove a bullet from the door frame, I lent him a pair of large hemostats I used for jewelry work. He was more interested in examining the tips for burn marks than he was in following up on the wounded miscreant’s other crimes. The perpetrator had the same M.O. as “The Towel Rapist” and even told the EMS folks “I don’t know why you’re trying to save me, I’ve done this many times before.” The illustrious Virginia State Police never followed up and the miscreant, even though he’d been given a twenty year sentence, was out in four years (that was with us writing to the parole board to keep him in).

    But by golly, when I went to sleep and wrecked my truck a couple of years after that, Trooper Race-Baiter was only too happy to write me a reckless driving ticket for the non-crime of going to sleep and running into a gum tree out in the middle of nowhere. When I told him what had happened and he said he was going to ticket me, I asked “Would you be writing me this ticket if I’d told you a deer ran out in front of me?” He said “Prolly not.” So I responded “So what you’re telling me is that honesty isn’t the best policy then is it?” He couldn’t say a word. I beat that ticket in court, without a lawyer, but it did cost me half a day’s wages. The reason I beat it was because if you have no indication that you are tired or sleepy when you embark on a trip and you fall asleep at the wheel in Virginia, that’s not reckless driving. On the other hand if you are tired and you know it, it is considered impaired driving the same as DUI. On my way out of the court room, the county sheriff called me off to the side (we knew each other) and said “Don’t be tellin’ people ‘bout this. You’ll cost the county money.” Nice, huh?

    My wife and I went through several years of hell in south central Missouri with a lying, thieving “tweaker” for a neighbor. He stole my gas, he stole my hardware and tools, tried to steal the battery off my four-wheeler, stalked my wife, and even called the cops on me for target shooting on my own piece of remote rural land. I ended up fencing, gating and posting my entire property along with putting up motion sensing lights and security cameras at a great deal of expense. Why? Well that’s what the cops told me I’d have to do for them to be able to do anything about Mr. Thug-Next-Door. But guess what? The police then came to my house and told me my gates and posted signs might be illegal because this same Mr. Thug-Next-Door insisted that the easement through my property was a county road. I finally convinced him stop coming across my land to case us out by putting a Colt police silhouette target shot full of holes on a piece of plywood next to the easement. In the meantime, we discovered that the county criminal investigator that was supposedly “helping us” was a liar and a thief too. He ended up going to jail, but only very briefly. We also found out he’d been fired from the sheriff’s department of a neighboring county for stealing, but never charged. No, he just moved on to the next county to be a cop all over again. Nothing much has changed since they made the horse thief Wyatt Earp a lawman. Cops and crooks are heads and tails on the same coin and it doesn’t take much to make them flip over, like it or not.

    It wasn’t until my wife was at wits end and I was forced to sell my place (it was paid for) and move away that I found out that this lump of scum and the sow he was shacked up with were “confidential informants.” This was how they could grow pot, make meth, steal, receive stolen goods and stalk my wife with impunity. The police knew what was going on were letting him do it! So much for equal protection under the law… By the way, he’s receiving social security disability so those of us that pay in are buying his shack and 30 acres. We had him on video tape running heavy equipment, climbing a tree with a chain saw, push mowing a 5 acre field and riding a four-wheeler like a bat out of hell. Hardly things someone with a “back injury” can do. But guess what? The Socialist Security administration would not do a thing about this fraud either.

    I have a coworker who’s going through a similar scenario with a deadbeat on disability neighbor who’s trespassing on him and even tore down a section of his fence. The cops won’t do squat. They say it’s not destruction of private property; it’s a “civil matter.” Different county, different sheriff’s department, same results. I ask you, how does a “disabled” man run an eighty acre farm (that the rest of us are paying for),tear out fence and set new posts on my coworkers land? I mean I know how he gets away with it; he’s at home drawing a check while the land owner’s away at work. No my question is, if he’s able to do all, that why’s he still drawing a check? Where are the poe-leece? Why aren’t they arresting him for fraud? Yeah, they’re here to help us alright…

    Shocker, these are just a very few high points that I’ve experienced over the years with our illustrious police. I could (and may yet) write a book about all that I’ve seen. That’s right; what I’ve personally experienced, not what other people have told me. It’s like the old cartoon captioned “Work diligently with integrity and you’ll get your just reward” showing the little guy with a big-ass wood screw all the way through him. I’ve been paying into the system since I was sixteen years old. I’ve wholly supported myself since I was eighteen and paid in a boat load of county, state and federal taxes, social security and Medicare/Medicaid. That’s not enough if you try to be honest and upright. But if you’re a scumbag that steals from your neighbors and deals poison (because the toxic garbage these morons make in 2-liter pop bottles with cold medicine and carburetor cleaner doesn’t qualify as an actual “drug”), you can get a free pass by cooperating with your area’s “swinest.”

    Yeah Shocker, you jess keep right on believin’ the poe-leece are there to hep ya’. Sooner or later you’ll get the straight skinny the hard way…all 10 inches of it…that is of course unless you’re one of them. Captain Bryant told Deckard in Blade Runner, “If you’re not cop, you’re little people.” That’s art imitating real life and that statement is the unvarnished truth whether you choose to accept it or not.

    • Tor Minotaur
      August 30, 2013 at 5:52 pm

      I’ve no doubt there’s all kinds of officious fiefdoms and terrible stories in every town. Not just police. Any one in the government might have an eye to making a few extra dollars through traditional rackets, and through little known avenues of graft no one’s heard of. One I’ve seen personally is something called a public guardian.

      How it worked is, any old person getting on in years, who was going to die sometime soon, especially when extremely wealthy, and extremely demented, was set upon by state vultures and picked clean right before your eyes.

      Maybe the guy’s money is in a trust or more likely just sitting in a banks and brokerage accounts somewhere. These guardians give the old guy a couple hundred a week to live off let’s say.

      Then tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands start going to all kinds of expenses and billed hours for the guardian’s “service” which often took all of 10 or 15 min. a week. Wire transfers start going here or there, all seemingly legit and with appropriate documentation.

      The more out of it the guy was, the more brazen they were. The worst part is when they die. Especially if they die without a will. The top guardian dealt with that, locating all assets and parsing them out at their sole discretion.

      Crooked lawyers and other shadowy vermin come into the picture, and various donations and bequests materialized. Wire transfers and phantom estate paper chimeras that beggared belief really.

      • Repeat When Necessary
        August 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm

        Tor: These cretins are worse than vultures. At least vultures usually wait until you’re dead before picking your bones!

      • Boothe
        August 30, 2013 at 9:35 pm

        Tor – I realize Wil Grigg focuses on the police when he points out how there’s no situation so bad or human condition so tragic that they can’t make it worse. But I would extend that to include all of government whether national, state or local. As Rothbard so accurately stated, the government is indeed “a gang of thieves writ large.” I have heard of this scenario you describe and am aware that some of the “connected” in South Central Missour-ah had designs on one of my elderly friend’s estate. She told me that this local official even warned her that they’d have her land when she died. I never checked to see if they ended up with it, because I’m pretty sure they did and I’m already pissed off about too much other injustice in this world that I am powerless to stop.

        I’ve written previously about a young acquaintance of mine who was roughed up by the local police and had his rights thoroughly violated back in 2011 on his own front porch after telling the thug-scrum to come back with a warrant. Finally now, almost two years later, he has been charged with “keeping or maintaining a public nuisance” (running a drug den). He was rooming with an older uncle that allegedly was “cooking”, but this young man’s urinalysis came back so clean that the sheriff commented on its rarity. But our local prosecutor is apparently an “ambitious” man and would probably suffocate his own grandmother for one more conviction. So my young acquaintance has been offered a “deal.” If he’ll sign over all of his rights and most of his freedom, he can become a ward of the Adult Recovery Court. He can pay $500 up front, a monthly fee for “counseling” and be required to step and fetch anytime the court says “pee in a cup.” The conditions of this admission of guilt are onerous at best.

        After 18 months, if he completes the program, his life will return to some semblance of normalcy. The funny thing is I know this young man well enough to say with confidence that he doesn’t use drugs. He’s seen what it’s done to other members of his family. So what the hell is it that they want him to recover from? I guess the parasites want him to recover from having too much disposable income that counselors, lawyers and other lower life forms would rather spend. Or maybe they want him to recover from knowing that he has rights and to make damned sure he never asserts them again. I don’t know. I do know that if he gives in and signs up for this scam, he’ll lose a hell of lot more than a few thousand dollars. But if Prosecutor Steam-Piston doesn’t get his way and then succeeds in railroading this young unskilled laborer, the boy could face 15 years in Hotel Graybar!

        I wrote to the prosecutor and protested this sham to no avail. So I went to see the prosecutor and appealed to him personally on behalf of this hapless young fellow. Prosecutor Steam-Piston didn’t have time to talk to me because in his words I am not a lawyer. I guess being a “taxpayer” that pays his salary doesn’t count for squat. I even appealed to the judge, but he said his hands were tied; it’s up to the prosecutor.

        The fix is in, the game is rigged and it’s certainly not about justice. It’s bloody depressing at times to realize we’re neck deep in the Fourth Reich and there’s very little we can do about it. One can only hope that this train wreck in progress we call the USSA will come to a stop quickly with minimal “collateral damage” in its wake.

        • Tor Minotaur
          September 4, 2013 at 12:35 pm

          Karl Hess Quotes (A Murray Rothbard Influencer)

          “The revolution occurs when the victims cease to cooperate.”

          “whenever you put your faith in big government for any reason, sooner or later you wind up an apologist for mass murder.”

          “In a laissez-faire society, there could exist no public institution with the power to forcefully protect people from themselves. From other people (criminals), yes. From one’s own self, no.”

          “It is flawed by one thing: the abstraction of patriotism. People who will damn the government from morning till night, and oppose the State in a million and one ways will, at a time of national crisis, become incredibly patriotic, and begin to say they will do anything for the State. And they begin to talk of duty, service, sacrifice … all of the words that are the worst words in the world, it seems to me, in a human sense. … I don’t know why this is, unless it is that these are such good-hearted people that they really believe that the American state is totally different from any other state—and it’s certainly somewhat different. And they feel that it is important to preserve—they feel they’re preserving the country, but the only language that’s available is, to preserve the State. I have an idea that one of these days, there will be another language, in which we can talk about preserving the country—the landscape, the neighborhoods, the people, the communities—without talking about preserving the State. At which point there will be a lot of radical farmers, factory workers, and small-town residents in this country.”

          Playboy Interview of Karl Hess – Military Industrial Complex Presidential Speechwriter Turned Homesteader

          “It was so easy back then-during the 1950’s and early 60’s-to be a Right Thinking Citizen of the United States. Easy because we all knew who wore the White Hats (yeaaa!) and who wore the Black Ones (boooo!).

          “Capitalism”-which we naively defined as equal parts free enterprise, democracy, and the Winning of the West-was Good. “Communism ” which was anything associated with Russia or Red China-was Bad

          And “they” wanted to get “us” : And, despite the fact that God was on our side, they’d do it too if we didn’t somehow “keep ahead” and so “progress” became our secret weapon. Our be-all, end-all…

          Tax Protester Gun Smuggler Most Loved Libertarian Karl Hess:

          Goldwater – 1964 – Reads Karl Hess’ Speech – Sounds like Ron Paul

          • September 4, 2013 at 11:34 pm

            Dear Tor,

            “… they feel they’re preserving the country, but the only language that’s available is, to preserve the State… one of these days, there will be another language, in which we can talk about preserving the country—the landscape, the neighborhoods, the people, the communities—without talking about preserving the State.”

            That is the heart of the problem. The conflation of one’s country with “The Government.”

            “There is nothing patriotic about hating your government, or pretending you can hate your government but love your country.”
            — arch statist Bill Clinton

            I like to keep it simple.

            What is “The Government”?

            The Government is a bunch of strangers who formed a gang, named it “The Government,” then conned people into believing they had some sort of mysterious duty to obey their commands (“laws”) and to give them money (“taxes”).

            The simple reality?

            There is this planet, and there are 7 billion individual human beings living on it. They are all equal in their natural rights.

            None of them, no group of them, has any right to lord over any other of them. No right to bark out orders. No right to demand money. No right to say they cannot grow certain plants. No right to say they cannot own certain weapons.

            “Government” and “Authority” are complete delusions, total myths, and the most successful long con ever devised.

  4. Tor Minotaur
    August 28, 2013 at 12:53 am

    When dealing with the international police apparatus, Telos is a must.

    Toby Keith – Drinks After Work – A Song Full of Telos

    Drinks After Work

    Talk on the phone, stare at the screen, Doin’ the job, livin’ the dream,
    Gettin’ paid, Yeah right. Thinkin’ about what I’ll say to prove
    That we should go out for a laugh or two ‘Stead of going home tonight.

    From a long day, no break, We made it to the middle of the week
    And I’m thinking that I’m probably gonna need
    To get to know you casually.

    Just having fun, two for one, Let’s watch a good time get a little better.
    Ain’t no ball and chain for the suits and skirts Just drinks after work,
    Drinks after work.

    Tell me what’s it gonna hurt, To have a little drink after work?
    Happy hour’s like a holiday, Hanging with you’s like getting away,
    Let’s conversate For a little while. Well, keep me company, catch me up
    It’s a whole lot better than being stuck In a drive-time 9 to 5
    I’d rather see you smile.

    Well, it’s been a long day And the boss don’t get it.
    Don’t you wanna take the edge off With some 7 and 7?
    Just crushin’ on a friend Tell me what’s it gonna hurt
    Sippin’ and tippin’ some drinks after work?

    A long day, no break We made it to the middle of the week
    And I’m thinking that I’m probably gonna need
    To get to know you casually. Just having fun, two for one
    Let’s watch a good time get a little better.
    Ain’t no ball and chain for the suits and skirts
    Just drinks after work, Drinks after work.
    What’s it gonna hurt, To have a little drink after work?

  5. Tor Minotaur
    August 28, 2013 at 12:51 am

    When dealing with the international police apparatus henhouse foxes. Telos is a must.

    Toby Keith – Drinks After Work – A Song Full of Telos

    “Drinks After Work”

    Talk on the phone, stare at the screen, Doin’ the job, livin’ the dream,
    Gettin’ paid, Yeah right. Thinkin’ about what I’ll say to prove
    That we should go out for a laugh or two ‘Stead of going home tonight.

    From a long day, no break, We made it to the middle of the week
    And I’m thinking that I’m probably gonna need
    To get to know you casually.

    Just having fun, two for one, Let’s watch a good time get a little better.
    Ain’t no ball and chain for the suits and skirts Just drinks after work,
    Drinks after work.

    Tell me what’s it gonna hurt, To have a little drink after work?
    Happy hour’s like a holiday, Hanging with you’s like getting away,
    Let’s conversate For a little while. Well, keep me company, catch me up
    It’s a whole lot better than being stuck In a drive-time 9 to 5
    I’d rather see you smile.

    Well, it’s been a long day And the boss don’t get it.
    Don’t you wanna take the edge off With some 7 and 7?
    Just crushin’ on a friend Tell me what’s it gonna hurt
    Sippin’ and tippin’ some drinks after work?

    A long day, no break We made it to the middle of the week
    And I’m thinking that I’m probably gonna need
    To get to know you casually. Just having fun, two for one
    Let’s watch a good time get a little better.
    Ain’t no ball and chain for the suits and skirts
    Just drinks after work, Drinks after work.
    What’s it gonna hurt, To have a little drink after work?

    • ozymandias
      September 2, 2013 at 11:31 pm

      telos as a titian striped towel (cape)…. tor-o!, tor-o! (can you roll your r’s?)…lol

      here’s a bit I deem corroborative, mostly in line with my own experience & conclusions – tho the presentation is lopsided, biased, favoring only a generalized optimistic positivity, (& that’s like, “this is a wound. this is a kill.” ~ dd-lewis/ bill the butcher, in “gangs of new york”, {emphasis on “gangs”}…“odd” nothing so honest was written into ddl’s mouth for the reprisal role of abraham the republican butcher…). from chapter 15 (23 pages), “history written by the losers”, pages 233-235 of taleb’s “antifragile: things that gain from disorder”:

      matt ridley’s anti-teleological argument

      the great medieval arabic-language skeptic philosopher algazel, aka al-ghazali, who tried to destroy the teleology of averroes & his rationalism, came up with the famous metaphor of the pin – now falsely attributed to adam smith. the pin doesn’t have a single maker, but 25 persons involved; these are all collaborating in the absence of a central planner – a collaboration guided by an invisible hand. for not a single one knows how to produce it on his own.

      in the eyes of algazel, a skeptic fideist (i.e., a skeptic with religious faith), knowledge was not in the hands of humans, but in those of god, while adam smith calls it the law of the market, & some modern theories present it as self-organization. if the reader wonders why fideism is epistemologically equivalent to pure skepticism about human knowledge & embracing the hidden logics of things, just replace god with nature, fate, the invisible, opaque, & inaccessible, & you mostly get the same result. the logic of things stands outside of us (in the hands of god or natural or spontaneous forces); & given that nobody these days is in direct communication with god, even in texas, there is little difference between god & opacity. not a single individual has a clue about the general process, & that is central.

      the author matt ridley produces a more potent argument thanks to his background in biology. the difference between humans & animals lies in the ability to collaborate, engage in business, let ideas, pardon the expression, copulate. collaboration has explosive upside, what is mathematically called superadditive function, i.e., 1+1= more than 2, & 1+1+1= much, much more than 3. that is pure non-linearity with explosive benefits – we will get into details on how it benefits from the philosopher’s stone. crucially, this is an argument for unpredictability & black swan effects: since you cannot forecast collaborations & cannot direct them, you cannot see where the world is going. all you can do is create an environment that facilitates these collaborations, & lay the foundation for prosperity. and, no, you cannot centralize innovations, we tried that in russia.

      remarkably, to get a bit more philosophical, with the ideas of algazel, one can see here religion’s effect in reducing dependence on the fallibility of human theories & agency – so adam smith meets algazel in that sense. for one the invisible hand is the market, for the other it is god. it has been difficult for people to understand that, historically, skepticism has been mostly skepticism of expert knowledge rather than skepticism about abstract entities like god, & that all the great skeptics have been largely either religious or, at least, pro-religion (that is, in favor of *others* being religious).

      corporate teleology

      when i was in business school i rarely attended lectures in something called strategic planning, a required course, & when i showed my face in class, i did not listen for a nanosecond to what was said there; did not even buy the books. there is something about the common sense of student culture; we knew that it was all babble. i passed the required classes in management by confusing the professors, playing with complicated logics, & i felt it intellectually dishonest to enroll in more classes than the strictly necessary.

      corporations are in love with the idea of the strategic plan. they need to pay to figure out where they are going. yet there is no evidence that strategic planning works – we even seem to have evidence against it. a management scholar, william starbuck, has published a few papers debunking the effectiveness of planning – it makes the corporation option-blind, as it gets locked into a non-opportunistic course of action.

      almost everything theoretical in management, from taylorism to all productivity stories, upon empirical testing, has been exposed as pseudoscience – & like most economic theories, lives in a world parallel to the evidence. matthew stewart, who trained as a philosopher, found himself in a management consultant job, gives a pretty revolting, if funny, inside story in the management myth. it is similar to the self-serving approach of bankers. abrahamson & friedman, in their beautiful book “a perfect mess”, also debunk many of these neat, crisp, teleological approaches. it turns out strategic planning is just superstitious babble.

      for an illustration of business drift, rational & opportunistic business drift, take the following. coca-cola began as a pharmaceutical product. tiffany & co., the fancy jewelry store company, started life as a stationery store. the last two examples are close, perhaps, but consider next: raytheon, which made the first missile guidance system, was a refrigerator maker (one of the founders was no other than vannevar bush, who conceived the teleological linear model of science we saw earlier; go figure). now worse: nokia, who used to be the top mobile phone maker, began as a paper mill (at some stage they were into rubber shoes). dupont, now famous for teflon non-stick cooking pans, corian countertops, & the durable fabric kevlar, actually started out as an explosives company. avon, the cosmetics company, started out in door-to-door book sales. and, the strangest of all, oneida silversmiths was a community religious cult but for regulatory reasons they needed to use as cover a joint stock company.


      the common mindset — fat part of the curve, like stephen king’s “under the dome”, where the tribes are domiciled, all of them…home, home in the range (where the dears & the cantaloupes splay…but can’t ‘splain), i.e. +/- 2 sigma, i.e. “mediocristan”, i.e. the dog that the fat tails definitely do wag, etc, etc, etc — is already steeped in telos, & has been for way longer than any here have been alive. i agree: that mindset should be thrown in the woods. pretty sure that ain’t gonna’ happen. so maybe that makes the woods the telos antidote, or insulation, “telosulation” (prolly not these ‘merkin woods, tho, little red… )

      exfiltrate, or emulate — the highest form of flattery, & in charismaneered over the rainbow places, the lowest of prostrations. “i’d rather fight than switch” – well, surprise, surprise, surprise, (remember gomer?): that fix-switch is in – baked in, natured/nurtured in, for many/most & not amenable – “at least”, for the past 6000+ years of not so far – to education, or logic, or facts, or experience, or platform boogie-shoed “consciousness” (no matter how much one may like k.c & the sunshine band)…when g galilei said “you cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him to find it within himself” he assumed the understanding “if it’s there to begin with”.* if that understanding sticks in any craws, foxworthy sez those gullets just might be borgian-matrixian radical egalitarian feed-intubated esophagi– see rothbard for prognosis. for every guy/gal that puts wax on & then takes wax off & then waxes opponents with karate, lol, countless others stay shiny fender specialists…but gg most assuredly would have understood the catholic waxing you posted me awhile back (while gg liddy would waxily smile “understanding”…).

      “they” know they can always count on the “ya’ll”, the false dichotomy-horned dilemma-telemetry-ists in conjunction junction, conflation nation…& if the yawls can’t be timed into play conveniently enough, well easy-peasy, there’s false flags in inventory, ready to be run up the poles, & flown…the salutes & right-handed breast clasping & heartbeat-checking will ensue, just like how bells & doggie saliva do. ♪ ♫ ♪ ‘merika swings like a pendulum do…polizei in apc’s two by two…washington-dc, the tower of big ben (bernanke)…the rosy red cheeks of the little children….(roger miller, if he’d been more anarchical, or even more anarchical than he already was…then again, “king of the road’s” got some good advice, & “you can’t rollerskate in a buffalo herd”, too ☻).

      Del Gue: Jeremiah, maybe you best go down to a town, get outta these mountains.

      Jeremiah Johnson: I’ve been to a town Del.

      also agree about cocktails. we do that every late afternoon/early evening around here. usually wine. but come winter, or an especially celebratory mood, or medicinal necessity, there’s always room for good single malts, too.

      i’ll see your toby keith & raise ya’ a waylon & willie…

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed con(stitution)boys don’t let ’em pick pols and drive them old polls let ’em be like albert j. nock-tors and tom sawyers and such

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys they’ll never find home and they’re always alone even with someone they love

      cowed conboys ain’t easy to love and they’re harder to hold and they’d rather give you a song than truth be told 13-star flags and old faded parchments

      and each night begins a new dark and if you don’t understand him and that he don’t die because you refuse you’ll probably just slide away
      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys don’t let ’em pick “laws” and drive them lemming herds let ’em be decoctors and employers and such

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys they’ll never find home and they’re always alone even with someone they love

      cowed conboys like smoky old back rooms, clear mandate adornings little warm voters and the infantile, girls of the night, & boys too, and them that don’t know him like him and them that do sometimes won’t know how to take him they ain’t wrong, he’s just sociopathic but his unctuousness lets him do things to make you feel he’s right

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys don’t let ’em slick catarrhs and hive them old mucks let ’em be self proctors and not destroyers and such

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys they’ll never find home and they’re always alone even with someone they love

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys don’t let ’em slick catarrhs and hive them old mucks let ’em be self proctors and not destroyers and such

      mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowed conboys….

      *Tim Daland: [Walks to tractor] See you’re enjoying the good life, Harry?

      Harry Hogge: Yeah. Well I don’t mind spreadin’ a little fertilizer round now and then. There’s worse things.

      Tim Daland: How’s the truck runnin’?

      Harry Hogge: Runs good.

      Tim Daland: [pause] I… uh… I want you to build me a car.

      Harry Hogge: [stops tractor] Now, Tim, everyone knows some downtown car dealer can’t afford a race team. And no driver worth a damn is gonna sign with you. Cause they wreck one car, you can’t afford to build them another, and their out of the deal, you know. And no car’s gonna win without a driver, not even mine.

      Tim Daland: [points to Harry] If you built the car, I’d get a damn driver. {{“if you build it, they will come”. whose really spreading fertilizer, here? ☻}}

      Harry Hogge: [starts driving tractor] What kinda driver you gonna find after the season’s started? Some ole’ boy that’s washed up, and one worth a shit to begin with.

      Tim Daland: You can work with him. You can build a driver like you build a car, Harry. {{talk about beating a dead horse-fertilizer into beach sand…}}

      Harry Hogge: [points to dog] Tim, take a look at that hound. Now that’s the best coon dog I ever seen or heard about, and I didn’t teach him a damn thing.

      ~ days of thunder

      now, time for those cocktails.

      • ozymandias
        September 3, 2013 at 1:13 am

        hmmmm….toby displaced toro, somehow

      • Tor Minotaur
        September 4, 2013 at 10:26 am

        In America telos means groupthink telos. What should we all as a group do. What I had in mind but did not elucidate is only to find one’s individual telos.

        1)Find your own true identity. for many long hours I’ve dumpster dived in my own memories. I know some harsh truths of who I really am, what my weaknesses are, what others really think of me, and what importance I hold for others.

        2)What do I want. Forget all the lies and pretending one does for group survival for a moment. What do I really want. Why not go after it, in secret if necessary. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, or what they would say if they knew my true self. I still keep up the charade, but somehow people sense that I am inexplicably happier than them, though they have no idea why.

        3)Have an ultimate object or aim. Have plans and goals. Have individual telos. But be willing to abandon them if some other opportunity arises. Often all the planning and dreaming reveals something you didn’t even know you wanted. Don’t be rigid. The best things in life are often in those fat tails Mandelbrot/Taleb speak of.

        Sam the Sham – Little Red Riding Hood + 1931 Pre-New Deal Cartoon

        Sam the Sham – Wooly Bully

        Mandelbrot (Talebs mental Father) – on fractals and roughness

        – human society is accomplished with smoke and mirrors. nature is accomplished by confounding humans with much more seeming variety and randomness than really exists, primarily by use of fractals and competitive sexual reproduction

        • September 4, 2013 at 10:46 am

          Hi Tor,

          Mama Cass Elliot put it thusly:

          Nobody can tell ya;
          There’s only one song worth singin’,
          They may try and sell ya,
          ‘Cause it hangs them up to see someone like you.
          But you’ve gotta make your own music
          Sing your own special song,
          Make your own kind of music even if nobody else sings along.

          Shame no one seems to write thoughtful (much less pleasant to hear) music anymore.

  6. Tor Minotaur
    August 28, 2013 at 12:44 am

    My Fellow United Democratic Republican Soviet Comrade Bevin,

    Again you hit the nail on the head. The rattlesnake reptiles mean to rule, and will do so as brutally as they need to. We are nothing but mammal meals-on-wheels to them. We are things they eat. Sometimes they play with their food.

    Thinking that playfulness is two-way communication is a mistake. The good thing about being mammals, is we can move to climes unreachable by them, because we are warm-blooded.

    I think we should discard all their reptilian nonsense. Including the artificial boxes of races and countries for purposes of rational discussion.

    The Chinese did not invent gun powder. An individual man who happened to be in the artificial zoo cage called China at the time invented gun powder.

    Using A. Galambos/A. Rand/L. Smith property theory, the individual actors of history where known would be remembered and credited. Where individuals are unknown, and a new mythologized prime mover persona would be created.

    Collectivised history of the type you and P.M. Lawrence are masters of, is useful as a starting point, but IMHO should be completely re-written and re-framed.

    Only individual people can receive credit. If that person had a voluntary family or tribe that assisted him, that can be mentioned as a secondary credit.

    Rome never did anything. Ditto for China. There were individuals that did amazing things. It’s time to reclaim Telos. It’s time to write with purpose and goals. It’s time to think and write using liberty-english.

    You and P.M. Lawrence have a gift for accuracy and thought out arguments.

    Yet I think we often labor in vain. Let’s start assembling the big picture, and not worry about pixels.

    Lets not work towards merely erecting a new formidable edifice to be labeled Eastern Market Anarchy, Frontier Libertarianism, or Australian SocioEconoPhilosophy.

    Before well-known goods and services, such as gunpowder become established, they first have to be conceived, discovered, and recognized by their primary owners.

    These individual acts of conception, discovery, or recognition Galambos denotes as the “primary property” of the individual, original owners.

    Galambos laid out his two postulates of volitional science:

    Postulate Number One: All volitional beings live to pursue happiness
    Postulate Number Two: All concepts of happiness pursued through moral action are equally valid.

    Galambos equates immoral action with coercion and defines freedom as “the societal condition wherein every individual has one hundred percent control over his own property”

    From Galambos starting point, all – Market Anarchy/Libertarian/UK SocioRationating – theories are derivable from these postulates. All that remains is elaboration of other more mainstream theories in a new light as well as application of this science to begin to solve the problems of modern society.

    The Decline of Western Civilization IMHO can be traced to what is incorrectly called the conquest of Greece by Rome. The military details and specific actions are not the ones rational people should concern themselves with.

    The ongoing concern is to get back on solid ground philosophically. That is what is important about Atlas Shrugged, not how good of a prognosticator Ayn Rand was.

    Ayn Rand, though taking all kinds of incorrect actions, more importantly had the right philosophy. We must live, act, write, and speak with purpose as did Aristotle and the other ancient dwellers of the region today known to us as Ancient Greece.

    We need to throw our mindsets in the woods. We need telovisions, telocommunications, and telophones.

    A teleology is any philosophical account that holds that final causes exist in nature, meaning that, analogous to purposes found in human actions, nature inherently tends toward definite ends.

    Teleology was explored by Plato, Aristotle, Saint Anselm, Carl Jung, and Georg W. F. Hegel.

    A thing, process, or action is teleological when it is for the sake of an end – when it is for a telos – when it is for a final cause.

    In general, it may be said that there are two types of final causes, which may be called intrinsic finality and extrinsic finality.

    A thing or action has an extrinsic finality when it is for the sake of something external to itself. People exhibit extrinsic finality when they seek the happiness of a child for example. If the external thing had not existed that action would not display finality.

    A thing or action has an intrinsic finality when it is for none other than its own sake. For example, when one is trying to be happy simply for the sake of being happy, and not for the sake of anything outside of that, one is in harmony with the principle of Telos.

    Telos means working not only as a drone earning fiat currency but also as a man trying to experience the pleasures of life.

  7. Tor Minotaur
    August 27, 2013 at 10:42 am

    [Last lines]
    Alabama: Amid the chaos of that day, when all I could hear was the thunder of gunshots, and all I could smell was the violence in the air, I look back and am amazed that my thoughts were so clear and true, that three words went through my mind endlessly, repeating themselves like a broken record: you’re so cool, you’re so cool, you’re so cool. And sometimes Clarence asks me what I would have done if he had died, if that bullet had been two inches more to the left. To this, I always smile, as if I’m not going to satisfy him with a response. But I always do. I tell him of how I would want to die, but that the anguish and the want of death would fade like the stars at dawn, and that things would be much as they are now. Perhaps. Except maybe I wouldn’t have named our son Elvis.

    TRue R0mance -1993- Written by Quentin Tarentino

    Filming Locations

    Alabama: I had to come all the way from the highway and byways of Tallahassee, Florida to Motor City, Detroit to find my true love. If you gave me a million years to ponder, I would never have guessed that true romance and Detroit would ever go together. And till this day, the events that followed all still seems like a distant dream. But the dream was real and was to change our lives forever. I kept asking Clarence why our world seemed to be collapsing and things seemed to be getting so shitty. And he’d say, “that’s the way it goes, but don’t forget, it goes the other way too.” That’s the way romance is… Usually, that’s the way it goes, but every once in awhile, it goes the other way too.

    • Ed
      August 27, 2013 at 11:02 am

      Let’s not forget the idea at the core of the film; Clarence is insane. He seems like an average dimbulb who works in a comic book store and lives his life with kung fu films and and pop icons as his ideals. He’s just a slightly misguided, somewhat out of touch guy who has fallen in love with a prostitute who was hired to entertain him on his birthday, until…..

      Clarence goes into the bathroom and has a conversation with the ghost of Elvis who advises him to go and kill the pimp who turned Alabama out. He’s insane, with delusions and hallucinations solidly in place in his everyday thinking and behavior.

      This does make for an interesting film. I liked it.

      • August 27, 2013 at 11:25 am

        Dear Ed,


        The script was written by none other than QT. Quentin Tarantino. The Clarence character is to some extent, autobiographical. Video store instead of comic store. But same love of Chinese Kung Fu films.

        QT is of course the farthest thing from anti-black racist. Many think he’s a kind of “black wannabe.”

        • Ed
          August 27, 2013 at 3:03 pm

          “Ah Lahk you, Clahrnce. Always have. Always will.”

          The Ghost of Elvis (as played by Val Kilmer)

      • Tor Minotaur
        August 27, 2013 at 11:44 am

        Clarence and I are both proud alumni of the same fraternity.

        You’re born! You Live! You Die!
        If you’re lucky, somewhere in between, you’ll also be a Sigma Wu Pi!

        Grab a brew. Don’t cost nothin’

        – Slogans of the SWPs.
        – – – – –

        Quentin Tarantino born in 1963, in Knoxville, Tennessee, the only child of Connie McHugh – part Cherokee and part Irish, and actor Tony Tarantino – who left the family before Quentin was born.

        Moving to California at the age of 4, Tarantino developed his love for movies at an early age. One of his earliest memories is of his grandmother taking him to see a John Wayne movie. Tarantino also loved storytelling, but he showed his creativity in unusual ways. “He wrote me sad Mother’s Day stories. He’d always kill me and tell me how bad he felt about it,” his mother Connie Zastoupil once told Entertainment Weekly. “It was enough to bring a tear to a mother’s eye.”

        Tarantino loathed school, choosing to spend his time watching movies or reading comics rather than studying. The only subject that appealed to him was history. “History was cool and I did well there, because it was kind of like the movies,” he said once. After dropping out of high school, Tarantino worked as an usher at a adult film theater for a time. He also took acting classes. Tarantino eventually landed a job at Video Archives in Manhattan Beach, California. There he worked with Roger Avary who shared his passion for film. The two even worked on some script ideas together.

        During his time at Video Archives, Tarantino worked on several screenplays, including True Romance and Natural Born Killers. He also landed a guest spot on the popular sitcom The Golden Girls, playing an Elvis impersonator.

        In 1990, Tarantino left Video Archives to work for Cinetel, a production company. Through one of the producers there, he was able to get his script for True Romance in the hands of director Tony Scott, a man who recently committed suicide by jumping off an LA overpass.

        Tarantino was able to secure funding for his directorial debut Reservoir Dogs (1992), for which he had also written the screenplay. Actor Harvey Keitel was impressed when he read the script, saying “I haven’t seen characters like these in years.”. . . . .

        THe G0dfather

        • Ed
          August 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm

          Clarence Worley: “If I HAD to fuck a guy, it would be Elvis”

          Girl in the bar: “I’d fuck Elvis…I mean not now, but when he was alive.”

          “True Romance” was QT at his best, IMO.

          • August 27, 2013 at 8:43 pm

            Some say, “remember The King.”

            I never forgot him!

  8. Klavdy
    August 27, 2013 at 10:15 am

    Wow, the U.S cops just make up shit and take you and your relatives stuff?
    Whoulda thunk it?

    • August 27, 2013 at 11:32 am

      Dear Klavdy,

      And people wonder why libertarians think “The Government” is worse than the Mafia.

      One reason is the Mafia doesn’t call itself “The Mafia.”

  9. Wade
    August 27, 2013 at 1:46 am

    The only way a cop may be held liable is if he does something to a black. There are powerful forces defending everything blacks do. There are no groups who will defend a white man. And if you are a white man and you have a run in with a black cop, you have no hope.

    • August 27, 2013 at 10:17 am

      Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth to that. One of the methods by which TPTB have secured (and continue to enhance) their power is by setting us at each other’s throats according to race. There has been a concerted effort to reduce blacks to a state of animalism, which serves the dual purpose of creating a class of dependents who require “leadership” as well as the third purpose of keeping whites in a state of dread about blacks and thus incline them to support “law and order” Republican conservatives – etc.

      But the brutalities so routinely visited upon blacks are now being visited almost as routinely on whites, too – making us all “niggers” as far as TPTB.

      In its own twisted way, this is a good thing in that the average white and average black is beginning to – or may soon – notice that we’ve got a common problem.

      • August 27, 2013 at 11:20 am

        Dear Eric,

        Funny this theme should come up.

        Alex Jones just posted a video review of the SF film “Elysium.”

        Apparently it’s exactly that sort of racist NWO agitprop.

        He said the SF film “Oblivion” by contrast, was good. It had the opposite message, that all races need join together to oppose “authoritay.”

        • Tor Minotaur
          August 28, 2013 at 10:39 am

          One of my favorite agitprop movies is Viva Villa. A hard to find movie on the legend of Pancho Villa.

          In this fictionalized biography, young Pancho Villa takes to the hills after killing an overseer in revenge for his father’s death. In 1910, he befriends American reporter Johnny Sykes. Then a meeting with visionary Francisco Madero transforms Villa from an avenging bandit to a revolutionary general. To the tune of ‘La Cucaracha,’ his armies sweep Mexico. After victory, Villa’s bandit-like disregard for human life forces Madero to exile him. But Madero’s fall brings Villa back to raise the people against a new tyrant…

          District 9 is one of the all time greats in my book. Blomkamp was out of his depth in Elysium. The Stanford Torus would be a place of liberating frontier. A site of rest for the new North Dakota frackers in the sky, this time fracking apart asteroids. Why would the elite go to to space and endure the increased radiation and risk, when they already have secure enclaves like Monte Carlo, Liechtenstein, or Beverly Hills.

          Space will be a place for the nouveau-riche, and the nouveau space-sickened and prematurely-radiationally-aged. Site of the coming great PGM rush. (Platinum Group Metals)

          Planetary Resources Space Condos: Why retire on Earth. Struggling against gravity, falling down and breaking bones, any manner of feebleness or frailness are irrelevant in reduced gravity high-oxygen space condos. You can even continue working if you’d like. No gravity and earthly limits apply up here. Call NAAFRPSA today. (National Association of Aeronautics For Retired Persons Space Agency)

  10. John
    August 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Lots of interesting comments. My own particular experience with so-called cop protection was a case in point. 14 years ago I was dating a woman who got a ride home from the downtown area to my house. She got this ride from a mixed lot of blacks, puerto ricans and a white, all teens. (She was obviously not very smart, as well as drunk.) Later in the week, during the day, this motley group came back to my house, and my neighbor notices them sitting in the driveway. The neighbor calls the cops, because its not a neighborhood where these people would normally be found. The cops show up, and these punks tell the cops they are waiting for me. The cop says OK, and leaves. These people then proceed to rob my house in the middle of the day. One of them was a little 12 year old PR who they boosted in through a slightly open window. These thieves steal a bunch of my handguns and rifles.
    So I figure out who it was, (the cops were clueless) and figure out where they were from and get some names. All this from the girl I was dating. I give my local cops the info, nothing happens. Finally, I had to call the chief idiot of the town where these punks lived and explain to him in detail what would happen to his precious cops should one of these mongrels decide to try target practice on one of his boys with my .30-06 with its 3x X 9x rangefinding scope and the high velocity saboted varment rounds they stole. I explained to the chief that with a rest these assholes could pick off his boys from 2500 feet away. Not to mention my .44 automag with its 14 inch barrel. All of a sudden the punks get arrested, my stuff gets returned, except my automag and my ruger .44. Needless to say, the girl is long gone, and I don’t bring women to my home until I’ve known them for a long time.

    • August 26, 2013 at 7:24 pm

      Hi John,

      I’m not surprised. After all, why should they care about your stuff? (Until they realized it might be used against them, of course.)

      PS: You had an Automag? I am jealous!

      • exclusio
        August 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm

        “had” being the operative word here. the blue gang stole it. bastards.

        • August 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm


          One of those goes for, what, about $3,000?

      • John
        August 27, 2013 at 9:28 pm

        Yeah, it was a Desert Eagle, made in Israel. 14″ barrel, 8 round clip. I could damn near drive nails with it at as far as I could see a nail. I held a FFL until the ATF decided I had to have a storefront and all that crap. The big stores didn’t like the idea of us little guys undercutting their prices. Wish I had another one.

        • August 28, 2013 at 9:47 am

          It’s on my Wish List, too.

          Amazing piece.

          Sorry the maggots stole yours. Makes me angry just haring about it….

  11. David
    August 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm

    Eric – I like the term “blue porn”, very apropos way to describe cop shows. Notice that during these shows everyone who is a “suspect” or person of interest or witness talks incessantly and answers every question when asked. Up until a vital point in the plot (cue the music) where the ‘perp’ asks to speak to an attorney. By then it’s too late. In my opinion this is the government-entertainment complex way of inculcating people to behave in a way that gives deference to cops and people in authority. I guess it would be boring entertainment if the person just kept repeating the line – “Am I free to go?”

  12. August 26, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    In Toronto for years you had the Cherry Beach express, in which random people were scooped up off the streets and beaten.

    It inspired a song.

  13. Dave P.
    August 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm

    I met one honest cop in my life, that’s it. I was driving home from work one day and was slowing down for a yellow light when the car behind me sped up. I quickly slammed on the accelerator and we both ended up running the red. Turns out a cop car was also at that intersection about to make a right turn, so he pulled both of us over.

    He came up to my window and simply said, “You did that to avoid an accident, go ahead and go.”

    Turns out he was fired for protesting ticket quotas, so he was most likely replaced by a pig.

  14. Repeat When Necessary
    August 26, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Lee: Yes, “impaired drivers” is replacing “drunk drivers,” just like “climate change” replaced “global warming.” It’s much more *flexible* for The Powers That Be.

  15. TheShocker
    August 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Give me a break. This article and comments are one large stinking turd.

    Get real. When all you bad boy libertarians get a your car stolen, your house broken into or knife pulled on you, you just round up the posse, saddle up and kick ass. Ya, right. Most of you live in the lily white suburbs or exurbia where see crime on TV or read about it on the internet and all the cops do is write tickets. Here in urban America there are some nasty mf’s that would slam your face into the pavement for the change in your pocket. Ya, the cops aren’t perfect, but they deal with lots of worthless, lying scum. Next time you’re in trouble, call your libertarian homies. I’ll call a cop.

    • August 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm


      First of all, cops have no legal obligation to protect the person or the property of anyone. Their job is to enforce the law. Nothing more.

      Therefore, it is foolish to expect them to be other than law enforcers.

      I certainly do not expect them to protect me. I am responsible for my own safety.

      And, PS: Where I live, you have no choice but to be personally responsible for your physical safety. If a cretin were to break into my home, it’d be up to me to deal with it – because by the time the cops showed up it would be all over. But because I am legally able to possess the means of dealing with such, I am not concerned. There is very little violent crime in my rural area. Except that committed by badged goons, of course.

      Has it occurred to you that one reason why your urban areas are full of violent “homeys” – and decent people are at their mercy – is because cops have (as enforcers of “the law”) taken away the legal ability of decent people to defend themselves?

      • Observer
        August 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm

        No, Eric, their job is not to enforce the law, but to keep the peace.

        Keeping the peace doesn’t let them run around like an invading Panzer division, so they dumped that customer-focused mission that had some social utility and gave themselves the new job of “law enforcement.” Enforcing laws does not ensure the peace is kept; indeed, quite the opposite is often the result.

        • August 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm

          Quite so, Observer.

          Few here (not me, at any rate) take issue with peace keeping.

          Law enforcement is something else, however.

      • August 26, 2013 at 4:32 pm

        Love loses. Clovers win.

    • BrentP
      August 26, 2013 at 2:05 pm

      You’d be surprised where I’ve lived in my life. Your wording tells me you have no direct first hand experience with such places. You sound like someone who heard about it on TV. Ever walk down the street at night and have the occupants of a passing car throw gang signs at you? Thankfully when they got a better look at me they would simply drive off realizing I wasn’t the droid they were looking for, but that should give you an idea of the kind of area I was around.

      You know what stops thugs? Hard targets. Cops aren’t going to do anything for you. Cops are just another gang that poses a threat. Although I didn’t really learn how absolutely worthless cops were until I moved away from the area where gunfire was so common you didn’t notice it anymore.

      If you don’t believe me, listen to a Chicago cop:

      • TheShocker
        August 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm

        I lived on the south side of Chicago until I was 25, so I know a little bit about “such places”. I also know I never ran from a cop hoping to find a thug.

        I’m not saying that some cops don’t abuse their power and some aren’t just a-holes, but the benefits of having order maintained by the police outweigh the chaos of vigilante justice. I live in a state with concealed carry and I never leave home unarmed. I am responsible for my safety, the safety of my family and my home and try to maintain situational awareness at all times. That said, I never want to have to shoot someone. Even the justified killing of someone in self defense will negatively change your life forever. Just ask George Zimmerman.

        • August 26, 2013 at 3:53 pm


          The problem is the majority of police work is no longer about keeping the peace – about going after “bad guys.” If they restricted their activities to going after violent thugs, people who harm others or their property, etc. – I’d support what they do. But I don’t support harassing – and much worse – peaceful people over “violations” of “the law” that involve no harm done to others. Seatbelt “violations.” Random “safety” checkpoints. Caging people because they’re found in possession of arbitrarily illegal “drugs.” You know the litany.

          Do you support such “law enforcement”?

          The fact is that cops have become violent thugs. They assault people who’ve done nothing to anyone – merely violated “the law.” The average person is much more likely to be assaulted by a cop than a common street thug. I’ve never been assaulted by a street thug. But I’ve been assaulted dozens of times by cops. And when a cop assaults you, you’re legally powerless to defend yourself. Some twit in a special costume, who can threaten to beat – even kill – me because (just to cite a particularly egregious example) I refused to obey his orders to “buckle up” or disputed his authoritay in any way.

          I’d much rather deal with an ordinary thug breaking into my home. Because I can still legally defend myself against the son of a bitch.

          The choice is not between “vigilante justice” and the state of things today. That is a false choice.

          I’ll cheer a return to peace keeping as strongly as I jeer law enforcement.

          • TheShocker
            August 26, 2013 at 6:09 pm


            Your problem is more with policy makers in government than with the police. Police are tasked with enforcing the “law”. Now when you have a corrupt state that passes all sorts of laws beyond the scope and charter of government outlined in the Constitution, that’s where the problem lies.

            • August 26, 2013 at 7:27 pm


              No – my problem is with both. But I do not absolve cops who choose to be the enforcers of evil laws. As with the TSA. What sort of person would subject a helpless old lady to a public groping? What sort of person would arrest and cage a person for declining to wear a seat belt?

              I have more empathy for Nazi-era camp guards. They, at least, typically faced the Hobson’s Choice of being a guard – or a prisoner.

          • BrentP
            August 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm

            Police are part of the government.
            When the government is corrupt, so are the police.
            Police are muscle. Street enforcers for the ruling class.
            Police enforce the law the way Lenny with the baseball bat is just doing his job enforcing the godfather’s will when he busts up a business because the owner didn’t pay protection.

        • DownshiftFast5to1
          August 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm

          A common boogieman: “the chaos of vigilante justice”.

          This is a relevant counter to that scare tactic, consider reading it:

          The Culture of Violence in the American West: Myth versus Reality

          • August 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

            Dear 5to1,

            I remember reading that article. It was great.

            Vigilante justice, far from being a terrifying prospect, would be a return to sanity, a restoration of justice, and a reclaiming of individual sovereignty.

            I would love nothing better than the prospect of “vigilante justice,” including the replacement of “LEOs” by market anarchist PDAs (Private Defense Agencies).

            Vigilante justice is simply a pejorative term for the sacrosanct right of self-defense in the free market place.

        • BrentP
          August 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm

          Really? What part of the southside? The white neighborhoods further south? Bridgeport? I lived on the near south side east of the dan ryan. Didn’t have Richard Daley’s expressway to protect me from the CHA residents between state and the ryan nor any barrier for the scattered CHA east of Indiana ave.

          Did you listen to Bittenbinder’s presentation? I know the youtube version has parts chopped off, but in part two of the you tube he discusses how you cannot rely on the police.

          You can make less than clever quips about running towards thugs and perhaps in those white neighborhoods cops did something, but relying cops in a black neighborhood would be foolish to say the least. About the only thing one could rely on is getting a parking ticket for a screw head from a license plate bracket intruding into a yellow zone. (one spot I walked past every day would often have cars ticketed because they were just a hair into the yellow)

          If you believed this ‘cops maintain order and protect us’ line you wouldn’t need to carry a gun. Cops don’t protect us mundanes. They don’t maintain order for us either. They maintain the order the ruling class desires. Just see how fast they shut down your business because you’ve done something you weren’t economically allowed vs how fast they recover property stolen from you even when they know where it is.

          • August 26, 2013 at 5:05 pm

            Dear Brent,

            Shhhhh… don’t tell “The Shocker” the Ugly Truth.

            (Don’t you just love that moniker? Sounds like some 12 year old chose it to sound “tough.”)

            There is no Santa Claus. There is no Tooth Fairy. And most “shocking” of all, the nice policeman’s job is not to protect poor widdle “Shocker” from bad men who want to hurt him.

          • Repeat When Necessary
            August 26, 2013 at 8:13 pm

            The underlying problem with bad cops is the same as with bad plumbers or bad librarians or bad politicians: *Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.* Unchecked power can produce tyrants in any situation.

            A key difference with cops is this: *My choice in the interaction may be severely limited – and indeed may not exist at all.* If I’m dealing with a computer technician who has a Napoleon complex, I probably can find a different technician to help me, find help online, etc. If the operator of the local pizzeria has an attitude, I can get my pie somewhere else. But I often have no choice at all as to whether I’m dealing with a cop – for example, if I’m stopped for speeding. If Office McNasty happens to pull me over, he decides what I do next and when I do it. And if he’s acting like a jerk, I don’t get an option to “speak with a manager,” like I do at, say, McDonald’s. I better grovel and do my best to smooth his feathers and get through the transaction quickly, lest I wind up in the pokey – or worse. And heavens forbid I complain about the “service” I’m receiving – something I can easily do when ordering a hamburger, but not when dealing with the police.

            Conversely, if I *do* ask a cop for help, while I may be able to choose the cop I approach, I will have *no control* of the situation from that point forward. It’s that old saying, “When you dance with a bear, you don’t decide when to stop.” Many of the cases William Norman Grigg has documented on bear this out (pun intended). Here’s an example:

            But the most important factor that distinguishes cops from other professions – and therefore makes abuses of power on their part so dangerous – is *lethality*. We can see this best by comparing “tools of the trade.” The “tools” of a dry cleaner, for example, while not necessarily healthy, are not in and of themselves lethal. So if my dry cleaner has a grudge against me and decides to get even, he may burn my shirt or “lose” my coat, but chances are, it won’t go further than that – I’ll just take my business elsewhere.

            Compare these to the tools of a cop: shotgun, handgun, Tazer, handcuffs, nightstick, cruiser — and jail. These tools are expressly designed either to take away my freedom or my life. If I step on Officer McNasty’s toes, it’ll take him only a second to send me to the here-after, should he so choose.

            But what’s so infuriating when I get treated badly by a cop – even if it’s just a bad attitude – is that I’m *paying for this*. I don’t have a choice in the purchase of his services. If I withhold payment (in the form of my taxes), instead of sending a message to Officer McNasty, I send *myself* to jail. Which is Officer McNasty’s domain. A win-win for him. A lose-lose for me.

          • Boothe
            August 27, 2013 at 10:30 pm

            @ Repeat When Necessary – Beautifully put! I don’t think I’ve seen the actuality of it better explained. Welcome to the tribe. This is the kind of commentary that has various members of the PTB and their toadies chomping at the bit to get rid of this site.

    • August 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm

      Dear “The Shocker”

      Here’s how some of the cops you would call when you’re in trouble dealt with an incident in “urban America.”

      City Argues NYPD Had No “Special Duty” To Protect Subway Hero From Madman’s Rampage
      by Ben Yakas in on Jan. 27th, 2013

      Back in February 2011, a 24-year-old Brooklyn man went on a 28-hour stabbing rampage across Brooklyn and Manhattan, killing four people and injuring four others.

      His last victim, Joseph Lozito, was taking the subway when he was confronted by Gelman. Gelman turned to him and said, “You are going to die.” Gelman lunged at Lozito with a knife, stabbing him multiple times in the head. But Lozito was able to use some MMA moves to pin him to the ground.

      Afterwards, officer Terrance Howell tapped him on the shoulder and said he could get up: “By the time he got there, the dirty work was already done,” Lozito said.

      Howell and fellow officer Tamara Taylor had locked themselves in the front room with the conductor because they thought Gelman had a gun. Lozito told the Philadelphia Inquirer, “Police had an opportunity to intervene and maybe prevent the whole incident… they chose to stay in the motorman’s compartment instead of coming out.”

      Lozito sued for negligence, but city lawyers say the police had no “special duty” to protect him or any individual on the train that day.

      According to the official NYPD account and Howell’s affidavit, Howell was the one who tackled and subdued Gelman.

      • TheShocker
        August 26, 2013 at 6:00 pm

        Dear “Bevin”,

        Love the little mask from “V for Vendetta”. It’s very “edgy”.


        • August 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm

          C’mon, Shocker… let’s keep it on an adult level, ok?

          • TheShocker
            August 26, 2013 at 6:13 pm

            Well OK, but he started it.

        • August 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm

          Dear “The Shocker”

          I apologize for laughing every time I have to type that name. And I have to. I’m old school. I was taught that all letters must begin with “Dear… ”

          Re: the Guy Fawkes mask being “edgy.” Interesting how that’s you perceive it, when I don’t and never did.

          You see, for me, it’s not about “Me, me, me!” As others on this forum know, I’m a Baby Boomer. Translation: an old guy. I haven’t read any comic books since the 1950s. I’m not some young kid behind a keyboard fantasizing about being a superhero.

          No. I’m merely one of the countless nobodies in the crowd at the end of the film “V for Vendetta” wearing the mask because he has seen through the Myth of Authoritay, who realizes that “The Government” is nothing more than a street gang with good PR, that presumes to bark out orders (“laws”) and demand protection money (“taxes”) to those who have the misfortune to live in the same vicinity.

          As David Lloyd, V for Vendetta illustrator and co-creator put it,

          “The Guy Fawkes mask has now become a common brand and a convenient placard to use in protest against tyranny – and I’m happy with people using it, it seems quite unique, an icon of popular culture being used this way… an all-purpose image to hide their identity and also symbolise that they stand for individualism – V for Vendetta is a story about one person against the system.”

          A convenient placard… symbolize that they stand for individualism…

          No. Not about chest-thumping and being “edgy” at all. I leave that to others. I am not “edgy.” I am not a tough guy. I am merely one person against the system. Like Eric and others on this forum, I just want to be left alone.

          You want police protection? Fine. But don’t force me to pay for it through taxation that you support.

    • Ed
      August 26, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      “I’ll call a cop.”

      Famous last words.

    • Brady
      August 26, 2013 at 11:06 pm

      Yeah,you must be a cop ! I had a home invasion Feb.1st 2011 and after I beat the crap out of them,I went to the police staion which is right around the corner of my house and they told me they were too busy and short-handed and to go home and call 911. Well,I did and it took them over 2 hours to get to my house. And to think these two scum bags ran off and could have easily been caught, got away. Found out later why they were so long in getting to me…..a couple neighbors a few blocks away were arguing over a barking dog ! Yeah the cops today are just your local military cops ! Forget the slogan “to protect and to serve” ! Further,I am too, sick of those Blue Porno TV shows along with the military,acting like they are heroes ! What a bunch of crap !!

    • Rick237
      August 27, 2013 at 6:27 am

      “When all you bad boy libertarians get a your car stolen, your house broken into or knife pulled on you…”

      This is very funny considering the fact that more than 99% of all theft and assaults against innocent victims are committed by the police. Likewise for all armed home invasions.

      • August 27, 2013 at 8:11 am

        Dear Rick,

        Amen to that.

        Anyone who doubts this need only visit William Norman Grigg’s excellent blog, Pro Libertate.

        The reason Grigg has so much grist for his mill, is the countless police atrocities against persons and property being committed every week, every day in Amerika.

        • Rick237
          August 27, 2013 at 10:14 pm

          Thanks Bevin

          I am a big fan of Will’s work. He, like Eric and a bunch of others, is a real freedom fighter.

          • August 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm

            Dear Rick,

            Yup. Now he’s definitely “edgy.”


      • TheShocker
        August 28, 2013 at 12:27 am

        “more than 99% of all theft and assaults against innocent victims are committed by the police.”

        That’s total bull crap. You boys are either from another planet (my vote) or are regular customers of the criminal justice system.

        • Rick237
          August 28, 2013 at 1:01 am

          “That’s total bull crap. You boys are either from another planet (my vote) or are regular customers of the criminal justice system.”

          Define theft as taking a person’s money or property against their will.

          Now, consider the total amount of dollars that have been taken from you by public thieves (government) compared to the total amount taken from you by private thieves.

          For myself and everyone I know, the ratio is over 99.99%.

          BTW, forcing a person to pay for “protection” and “services” that he does not want is a protection racket.

        • August 28, 2013 at 9:43 am


          How many times in your life have you ever committed an assault against another person, or taken their property at gunpoint? I’ve never done such myself.

          However, I’ve been assaulted by costumed goons dozens of times. “Pulled over” – at gunpoint – for such non-crimes as “speeding” and declining to wear a seatbelt. Once, as a young guy (19) I was actually put into a cage for the non-crime (in the other than statutory sense; i.e., my actions created no victims and hence cannot properly be called criminal) of growing plants for my own use. Luckily, I escaped with no more than the loss of a few thousand dollars in fines.

          Point being: No one other than a costumed goon has ever deprived me of my liberty or my property. I suspect this is true for most people, too.

          Including yourself.

          What, pray, do you get in terms of positive benefit from the existence of “law enforcement”? You mentioned you carry a gun. But why? Aren’t you secure in the knowledge that law enforcers can protect you? No?

          Then what, exactly, are they good for?

        • August 29, 2013 at 11:59 pm

          Dear “The Shocker!!!”

          You wrote:

          “I’ll call a cop.”

          Here’s what happened when someone decided “I’ll call a cop.”

          Mother Claims She Called Sheriffs to Split Up Fight Between Her Daughter and Son-in-Law — Officers Instead Shoot Them Both to Death
          Courthouse News [1] / By Sabrina Canfield [2]
          August 26, 2013 |

          NEW ORLEANS (CN) – A mother who called Louisiana sheriff’s officers because her daughter and son-in-law were fighting saw the officers respond by shooting them both to death, the mother claims in court.

          Doyle says she called 911 sometime before 8 p.m. on Aug. 28, 2012, to complain that her daughter and son-in-law were fighting.

          The Sheriff’s Office responded by sending 14 officers, who shot her daughter to death, and then shot her son-in-law to death when he begged them not to keep shooting his wife, Doyle says.

          “Deborah Prine then exited the open carport of her home at 129 Steven Drive. As she walked out she had a rifle strapped over her shoulder pointed toward the sky. She walked out the carport to the end of the driveway where she stopped.

          Moments after ordering Deborah Prine to drop her gun but before she had an opportunity to do so the defendants, [Sgt. Richard] Dubus and [Deputy Christopher] Powell, shot Deborah Prine. Although Deborah Prine was armed her rifle was pointed skyward the entire time. She never lowered the weapon or pointed the weapon at anyone. She never fired the weapon.

          “Immediately after being shot Deborah Prine fell to the ground. The stock of her gun struck the ground and her gun discharged. In response the defendants, Dubus, [Deputy Turner] Barran and [Deputy Bailey] Newsom shot Deborah Prine .

          “After falling to the ground Deborah Prine never reached for her rifle, pointed her rifle or in anyway manipulated her rifle. After being shot Deborah Prine was defenseless, unarmed and posed no threat. Nonetheless, the defendants, Dubus, Barran and Newsom, fired a second round of shots into her.

          “In response to witnessing his wife being shot Robert Prine became hysterical. As he ran towards his wife’s body screaming and unarmed he was shot and killed by the defendants Dubus, [Deputy Mark] Ceravalo and Powell.

          “At no time did Robert Prine ever threaten any of the defendant deputies with any weapon.

          “Immediately after the shootings, the defendant deputies, except for Sheriff Tregre, in concert with one another, conspired and concocted a false version of the shooting of Deborah and Robert Prine in order to justify the Prines’ deaths and in order to protect themselves from discipline and future legal action for their negligent and/or intentional wrongdoing. These conspiratorial acts on the part of the defendants to cover up their wrongdoing included planting a knife and fork on Robert Prine in order to support their claims that he was armed when he was shot and fabricating a claim that Deborah Prine manipulated the bolt of her rifle and pointed it at the deputies.

          Source URL:

          You know what? I hope you do call a cop.

          • dom
            August 30, 2013 at 12:19 am

            Me too!

            The Shocker

          • August 30, 2013 at 12:33 am

            Dear dom,


    • Mamba
      August 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm

      Shocker, do you not read what you write?

      If a guy pulls a knife on you the cop’s not around right then, so what’s the point of calling them after the fact? So they have an “incident report” for their trending files? Because they’re not going to do jack shit else.

      Same with the car stolen. If they find it and the guy who took it committed a crime, the cops will KEEP the car as either evidence or “civil forfiture” (i.e. stealing. Look it up).

      House broken into…same deal. Cops will make a note of the incident and then go back to their regular routine and do nothing to help you. In fact while they’re there they might get bored and start looking around for things to charge YOU with, since they’re in your home and all why not snoop around some more?

      The cops are supposed to be held to HIGHER standards, so don’t give me this crap about they have a rough job. Firefighters have a rough job too, but if one becomes an arsonist they’re charged the SAME as us, not given special protection like cops are.

      You can call all the thugs you want when a crime occurs. while your cop writes down your POST-CRIME information, we’ll be in a position where we won’t HAVE to call anyone at all.

      • August 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm

        Hi Mamba,

        So far, Shocker has not responded to my question: If cops keep him safe, then why does he (according to his own admission) feel the need to carry a gun?

        I also pointed out to him that I (and millions of others) have never been assaulted by an ordinary street criminal, but have been assaulted by cops literally dozens of times. They’ve seized me at gunpoint – perhaps not guns actually drawn but that’s hardly necessary given the absolute certainty they would be if I ignored their orders to halt and did not submit to their roadside shakedown – and, cumulatively, stolen thousands of dollars of my money. The only difference between this form of assault/robbery is the costumed goon is legally entitled to do his dirty work – and has the legal fig leaf of some arbitrary rule that’s been “violated.”

        Such things constitute the majority of “law enforcement” activities these days. It’s obvious – and an outrage.

        I cannot understand Shocker’s defense of such.

  16. JJ
    August 26, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    I’ve always viewed cops as sharks. They’re most dangerous when they’re just sitting on the side of the road watching. Less dangerous when they are driving somewhere because its hard to notice you doing anything if they have to pay attention to their own driving, and almost no threat at all when they are already eating someone else (have them pulled over), they’re certainly not going to notice you doing anything short of you getting in a wreck right in front of them, and even if you are say speeding, what are they going to do? Drive off from the guy they have pulled over, and let him get away to go chase you down? Nope.

  17. August 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Pigs are the worst scum in society as they use violence, theft and intimidation to make sure the state reigns supreme over its subjects. Pigs are the main tool of the state to keep and grow their power.

    • August 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      I agree, Greg.

      But it took me awhile to get to that point – the point of universal condemnation. But in time, I came around. Because the truth is that even “good cops” enforce bad – evil – laws. That means, they menace peaceful, innocent-of-causing-harm-to-others human beings and threaten them with at least implied lethal violence as a matter of routine. Imagine that.

      What sort of person signs up for that kind of work?

      I emphasize this point.

      Cops are not shanghaied into doing what they do – or else their families will be shot (or even threatened). They choose to do this sort of work – and could easily choose not to.

      And that makes them culpable.

  18. lee
    August 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Word in our local newspaper has it that from now through Labor Day, the police will be on the lookout for “impaired drivers” who will be dealt with “harshly” as impaired driving is a traffic hazard.

    This designation is broader than “drunk” driving. “Impaired” is a vague term to be defined, ad hoc and on the spot, by the detaining officer. I’m hoping that this isn’t a revenue raising measure with a specific revenue target. Traffic officers are de facto agents of the insurance companies as any sort of citation can raise insurance premiums significantly for years to come.

    Actually, if the insurance companies pay kickbacks to local police agencies for issuing citations (maybe they do, maybe they don’t), that wouldn’t be so bad as these kickbacks would supplement police budgets, putting less pressure on traffic officers to function as revenue raisers.

  19. August 26, 2013 at 11:41 am

    Eric, (about Google) check with Lew Rockwell on signing up with Amazon. It seems to work well for him.

    • August 26, 2013 at 1:55 pm

      Hi JP,

      Thanks – we’re looking at a variety options and that’s one.

      See today’s “Thoughts,” incidentally. We’ve had a pretty solid response from the readers. We may just be ok!

  20. Klavdy
    August 26, 2013 at 5:52 am

    Aaand another one,,,

    • August 26, 2013 at 11:02 am

      Hi Klavdy,

      Assume you’re getting in ok?

      FYI: I’m back at home base, everyone.

      • Klavdy
        August 27, 2013 at 4:47 am

        Heya Eric,
        yes, on this part of the site it’s O.K, the Forum though, that’s got weirdness afoot.
        Can’t log into that.

        • August 27, 2013 at 10:06 am

          Thanks, Klavdy – it’s being looked into!

    • Ed
      August 26, 2013 at 11:52 am

      Of course, that being CATO, the misconduct reported is about falsifying time cards, misdemeanor theft/embezzlement, and filing bogus reports. The editor would stroke out if there were reports of murder for hire, felony ADW, arson, strongarm robbery, etc by cops.

    • August 26, 2013 at 5:57 am

      Dear Klavdy,

      Actually, it makes a kind of perverse sense.

      So-called “law enforcement” is a crime, because it is a violation of the NAP.

      Therefore, what could be more natural than to have criminals “enforce laws?”

      They’re doing what they were already doing, violating the NAP. Only now they’re doing it while wearing badges.

      • Tor Minotaur
        August 26, 2013 at 9:15 am

        The shill factor is so high in American media, it’s become laughable. Somewhere in a movie, Barack Obama is often found playing himself. It’s Keystone North Korea Kapitalism at its finest.

        Every plot makes sure, every event stems from something already on the shelf. Before proceeding, protagonists get the OK from some kind of authority. The government and mega-corporations are the good guys. Characters exist to buy and demonstrate things, they get from A to B while making informed consumer choices. Good guys enjoy the best brands. Bad guys suffer in low-consumer good quotient squalor

        Because of Authoritarian financial, monetary, and economic systems, nothing stays independent here for long. Cash out when we say so, capiche? Anyone tries to stay private and not sell out, might end up with some scandals and some wrong-doing revelations, gnome-saying?

        Foolishly, I think of the web as different from other media. When I investigate, I find that’s increasingly not the case.

        Website Owners
        Rotten Tomatoes – Time Warner
        IMDB – Amazon
        Metacritic – CBS

        Wall Street Market Capitalization of Major Firms
        Google 252 billion
        Amazon 117 billion
        Ebay 68 billion
        Priceline 34 billion
        Yahoo 25 billion
        Linked In 19 billion
        Expedia 8 billion
        Akamai 6 billion
        Groupon 5 billion
        Zynga 2.5 billion

        False sense of internet autonomy:
        Wordpress owned by Venture Capitalists and CNET
        CNET owned by CBS
        Blogger owned by Google
        Tumblr owned by Yahoo
        Typepad owned by private Venture Capitalists that own stuff like Style, Health Mag, most famous owner is CEO of Starbucks

  21. Tor Minotaur
    August 25, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Dealing with Necromongers these days… Leaked copy of speech to be given by Barack Obama after confirming the NATO declaration of war on Syria:

    I Have A Nightmare Speech by Barack Obama

    One half score years ago, a great American invented lies to convince world public opinion to embrace America’s vision of destroying a sovereign nation in the Middle East. Iraq was that nation and George W. Bush was that great American. Today, I walk in his shadow and call for the world to once again destroy another sovereign nation based on lies, this time the nation of Syria.

    Some are afraid of war. Some see no moral value in our endeavor. I say to those folks, in the words of Martin Luther King Jr., let us not wallow in the valley of despair. Let us not hang our heads and fall into the fog of neutrality. Let us not follow blind men towards the darkness of complacency and inaction but rather let us embrace the light of war.

    I have a dream today! I have a dream of bombing Syria to ruins.

    I have a dream that my two daughters will continue to live in a world where Middle Eastern leaders will not be judged by the content of their character, but by the lies we tell in our state-controlled mass media.

    It would be fatal for a nation as great and as powerful as ours to not go to war when the times demand it. We cannot wallow in cheap indifference, and stare at the world day after day without acting on our desire to plunder the wealth of weaker nations, by any and all violent means at our disposal.

    We are at a critical moment in our history. Any who oppose our new Necromonger versions of America or Israel must be defeated and vanquished. This is America’s purpose in Syria. This is why God made us the masters of the sacred and beautiful Underverse. Syrians must die in order for death worshipping America and Israel to live.

    And so, I say to the American people today, hold back your tears at the sight of dead Syrian children, for their sacrifice serves a greater purpose, that of the existence and security of America and Israel.

    Syria must give up its defense of the Palestinians and join the international community which looks away at their suffering because it has long ago accepted the reality that they are not human beings whose endless plight is worth our attention. They are merely pawns on a political chess board in sacred games of power.

    Let me say it again so even the distant gentle God of obsolete non-state religions can hear it. I have a dream today! I have a dream of burning Syrians and watching Assad fall to his knees.

    And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

    Let bombs ring from the snowy hilltops of Iran to the valleys of the Syrian countryside.

    Let bombs ring from the dusty entrance of a lonely Palestinian home to a busy nightclub in downtown Beirut.

    Lord Marshal Jesus, I have a dream today. I have a dream of bombing Syria!

    And when this happens, when we let the bombs ring and the guns sing, when we reduce every town, city, and village in Syria and beyond to absolute rubble, we will be able to speed up the coming of that divine day when all of God’s children, Militarized Americans and Soldering Jews, Jihading Muslims and Crusading Christians, Eugenicist Mystics and Cyborgbodied Atheists, will be able to join hands in one United Inhuman Family and sing in the words of some old spiritual: Dead at last! Dead at last! Thank God Almighty, we are all dead at last!

  22. Repeat When Necessary
    August 25, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Reviewing these comments, I’m reminded of the phrase “Little Hitlers” that Elvis Costello and Nick Lowe used years ago in song. An apt description of these parasites.

    Last night I was watching an episode of “Monk” on TV, and — for once! — the cops (or at least some of the cops) were the *bad* guys. I was thinking it would be cool to compile a list of similar movies and TV episodes. Sort of an entertainment antidote to all the cop-worshiping media we all get bombarded with …

    • Ed
      August 25, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      Yep, the bombardment is real, and depictions of bad cops are mostly aimed at showing the bad cop as an exception to the rule. The HBO series “The Wire” did a fair job of showing some of their cop characters up as liars, thieves and violent thugs.

      Still, the cop worship is a constant media theme.

      • August 25, 2013 at 11:01 pm

        Dear RWN, Ed,

        I was thinking it would be cool to compile a list of similar movies and TV episodes.

        Ditto. I mentioned this one before. But it bears repeating.

        Porter: [voiceover] Crooked cops. Do they come any other way? If I’d been just a little dumber, I could have joined the force myself.

        From the 1999 crime drama “Payback,” written by Donald E. Westlake, directed by Brian Helgeland, starring Mel Gibson.

        As Porter/Gibson notes, the exception is not the bad cop. The exception is the good cop. The bad cop is the rule.

        The exception, a good cop, is so exceptional, that when it miraculously happens, they make a movie about it — “Serpico.”

        I hasten to add that even a “good cop” or “honest cop” is still a bad cop in the deeper sense that he is invariably involved in the violation of the NAP, whether he realizes it or not.

        As others have noted, of truly “good cops” end up quitting because they come to realize that what they’re doing is fundamentally wrong. Sort of like Pat Tillman or Bradley Manning.

      • August 26, 2013 at 12:36 am

        Dear Ed,

        One of the most sickening aspects of these cop porn films and TV series is the embedded victim disarmament (“gun control”) propaganda.

        The “hero cop” will find himself in a situation where a private citizen is also armed. The armed private citizen is invariably depicted as both dangerous and comical. The conceit is “Leave it to the professionals.”

        But as those who have taken the red pill know, private citizens are usually more, not less “professional” than the costumed bullies.

        The Great Escalators

        • Ed
          August 26, 2013 at 1:02 am

          The embedded propaganda is always there, no matter what the subject matter. I was scene jumping through a DVD of a Steven King novel made into a TV movie. A scene came up in which the band of heroes was going into the explosives shack of a mining operation to get explosives.

          One picks up 2 small bags and says something like:

          “Here, this will do it, ammonium nitrate. It’s what Timothy McVeigh used in Oklahoma City.”

          The writers simply assume that everyone will think , as they do, that the character just grabbed up some powerful explosives. Nevermind that it’s just a few pounds of fertilizer, the propaganda is all important in TV dramas.

          • August 26, 2013 at 6:30 am

            Dear Ed,

            Remember Die Hard? Forget which of the series.

            John McClane: That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It’s a porcelain gun made in Germany. Dosen’t show up on your airport X-ray machines, here, and it cost more than you make in a month.

            More liberal victim disarmament agitprop. Factually wrong agitprop, as I’m sure people here know.

            Glock is not German, it’s Austrian. It’s polymer, not porcelain. In part. Not in toto. So yes, it does show up on x-ray machines. There is no “Glock 7,” but the Glocks that really do exist are competitively priced.

            But the most offensive stuff is not technical, but moral. Aggressive indoctrination of the gullible into the belief that LEO gun possession is “good” and civilian gun possession is “evil.” That is what really turns my stomach.

            • August 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

              Morning, Bevin!

              Oh yeah… one of the reasons I no longer watch Teevee is because I could no longer take listening to such agitprop. For example, the ubiquitous “semi-automatic” weapons. Non sequitur (as pretty much everyone here knows, of course). They – the purveyors of the agitprop – are attempting (with some success) to imply such firearms discharge automatically, or rapid fire, when of course, they are merely auto-loaders that, like a revolver, shoot once for each pull of the trigger.

              Then there is “military style” and, most infamously, “assault” rife.

              A man can only stand so much.

          • Ed
            August 26, 2013 at 11:35 am

            Oh, yeah. DieHardon, the series of “off-duty cop savior” flicks. This same dickweed cop keeps finding himself in the middle of terrorist plots. The first few had the turrists as Euro-punk types, which was the gold standard of turrists at the time. The next generation had “rightwing domestic turrists”.

            What is the DieHardon count up to now? Maybe it’s DieHard 18, with Russians as the bad guys.

            There’s another series that’s almost as silly; “Behind Enemy Lines”, with our heroic SEALS or Deltoids trapped behind some lines or other. With so many wars ongoing, the writers can have a new episode every year if they like. One that I remember pushed the line that the Serbs had run their own version of the Holocaust against poor, helpless MEK “freedom fighter” people. Of course, that was during Clinton’s reign and the next episode would need vicious Islamic jihadists as the enemy, in order to catapult the propaganda for the Chimp.

            The DieHardon series is about done, now that their off-duty cop is long past retirement age and looks like a chemotherapy patient on his last legs.

            We’ll see what they come up with next, but the appetite for war on crime/terror/racism/drugs porn may be waning among the herd.

          • August 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm

            Dear Eric,

            Some cable channels are unbelievable. All they have is cop shows, or lawyer shows. All part of the “We are authoritay, you must obey!” racket.

            What’s even more mind-boggling is that when they run out of cop and lawyer categories to hero worship, they start in on military cops, or military lawyers. JAG. NCIS. NCIS Los Angeles.

            Unbelievable! You’d think there were no other occupations worth dramatizing.

            I never cared for doctor shows. Too much worship of doctors as miracle workers. Too much blind faith in orthodox allopathic medicine. But at least they’re not shooting people.

            This reminds me of a point debated earlier. How to de-program sheeple in society. You half joked about “one at a time.” I half joked about starting with oneself, with not being part of the problem.

            The fact is, that is exactly how it’s done. From the grassroots. One has to “be the change one wants to see.” The impact of grassroots discontent must not be underestimated.

            That’s why the military assassinated Pat Tillman. They could see him becoming another Cindy Sheehan or Karen Kwiatowski. That’s why they made an example of Bradley Manning. They feared the impact on the grassroots, on us, on what we think.

    • Davidus Romanus
      August 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm

      Yeah. Good luck with that. The propaganda is unending. I just watched an episode of Castle where three cops are fired on and not one returns fire. Are you kidding me? In what universe would that happen?

      • August 27, 2013 at 12:22 am

        Dear DR,

        ” I just watched an episode of Castle where three cops are fired on and not one returns fire. Are you kidding me? In what universe would that happen?”

        I hear you.

        More likely it would be the other way around. The three cops would open fire first, without justification, riddling the “perp” with bullets.

        (I hasten to add that those bullets would be a small percentage of the rounds fired. Most cops can’t shoot worth shit.)

  23. August 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    So, what is legal or illegal behavior? It’s anything those in power want it to be, and it can change or vanish at any instant. Those who think it is good for cops to do what they do because something is considered “illegal,” or that the person targeted has had such encounters before, forget that what they consider perfectly “legal” and normal behavior of their own may well be considered “illegal” tomorrow.

    There is no way to control innocent, self governing people. They control themselves. So, if you wish to control the lives and property of others, you must first convince them that you have the authority to stop them from doing anything of which you don’t approve – in triplicate. So, eventually, everything not mandated is prohibited.

    The key is to ask, “By What Legitimate Authority?”

  24. DownshiftFast5to1
    August 24, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    An example of how the police state is expanding:

    “… profiling Americans to try to identify people who might be predisposed to illegal acts. […] detained at gunpoint with no evidence that they have violated any laws, only because their legal behavior fit a profile that caused them to be targeted. […]

    We have been told, “If you haven’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about,” but this program is an example of why that is not true. […]

    Government is targeting people who are engaged in completely innocent and completely legal behavior, when there is no evidence that anything illegal has taken place. The next person they target could be you.”

  25. Tor Minotaur
    August 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    Galveston Escalators Kick Peaceful Sleeping Man in Face. Then proceed to drown him.

    “This looks terrible, it is what it is, and they were making a lawful arrest.” -police chief Henry Porretto (409) 765-3702

    The victim, Reginald Davis, narrating the video confirming everything he says”

    “I was kicked and punched by officers and my face was held
    down in the water on March 19, when before driving home to La Marque.

    I felt sleepy, so I stopped along the seawall to take a nap.
    Minutes later, a Galveston police officer asked me to step out of my car. He said there was a warrant out for my arrest for an excessive speeding ticket.

    After I was patted down, I took off towards the ocean. I was hit by a Taser and brought down by the officer. A few minutes later, more officers arrive to teach me a lesson about fleeing police, while a dash cam rolled.”

    “You see at least 20 strikes. You see at least three kicks to my face. You see my head being held under water. You see brutal inhuman excessive force.”

    Reginald’s lawyer said his 34-year-old client did run, but did not resist arrest, especially since his right arm was in a cast. Watching the video of the incident brought tears to Davis’ eyes.

    “I really thought I was going to die. I really thought I was,” Davis said. “I made a mistake. I ran, I shouldn’t have did that, but they shouldn’t have done what they did.”

    The Galveston Gestapo: “He refused repeated commands, he’s got a long lengthy history with the Galveston Police Department,” Galveston Police Chief Henry Porretto

    In this case, the warrant was for an excessive speeding conviction. We suspect Davis may have been trying to get rid of something incriminating in the ocean. Porretto said

    My officers responded appropriately to a dangerous situation. Our goal is to catch as many crimes as possible, obviously, that won’t happen if suspects are able to get away long enough to destroy evidence. He had to be taught a lesson.

    “Police work is dirty. Sometimes our people are out there doing a tough job. And they did this within policy. Of course it looks terrible, but it is what it is, and they were making a lawful arrest
    ” the chief said.

    Davis said the incident has delayed his graduation from college and has also affected his ability to work as a longshoreman.

    “I’ve made a few mistakes in my life. I will own up to that, that was one of them, but just because you run, it doesn’t mean you deserve that,” Davis said.

    Davis is suing, but his attorney says what he ultimately wants is for all of the officers involved to be taken off the streets.

    • Ed
      August 24, 2013 at 7:35 pm

      “My officers responded appropriately to a dangerous situation.”

      Oh hail yayuh. An unarmed guy with one arm in a cast running away from the cops is just dangerous like a mo’fugga. With scary shit like that jumpin’ off, there’s a high poteniality for the average mo’fugga to bitch out, but the Galveston rollers manned up and kicked his ass. They got some real brave cops in Galveston.

    • Garysco
      August 25, 2013 at 7:40 pm

      If it wasn’t for bad luck this looser wouldn’t have any.

    • Garysco
      August 25, 2013 at 7:50 pm

      Reincarnated cop.

  26. Garysco
    August 24, 2013 at 4:42 am

    While I am totally behind the fear and loathing of the new DHS and FEMA taking over local government, and instilling a middle east you-are-going-to-be-killed mentality, it should be viewed in context. The scene of the contact is not the place to start the confrontation, you will loose.

    Play it cool, only give up what you have to, and ask questions indicating you know your rights. Pack your own camera or recorder and secretly use it. He-said-she-said is a guaranteed looser. This militarization is issued from on high, the street cop & firefighter will do no more then their bosses will allow.

    Some departments have leadership, like Rialto Ca. – From the NY Times in reference to placing cameras on their officers- “In the first year after the cameras were introduced here in February 2012, the number of complaints filed against officers fell by 88 percent compared with the previous 12 months. Use of force by officers fell by almost 60 percent over… same period.”

    Or the Mono County Ca. deputy who arrested a violent suicide suspect, who was the only one who fired a shot (into his foot :}). Pretty brave in my view.

  27. DownshiftFast5to1
    August 24, 2013 at 1:59 am

    Do you think these firefighters were actually ‘held at bay’?

    “Significantly, the use of a flash-bang grenade as a “scare tactic” was part of the raid’s tactical plan, rather than an improvised measure. Deputy Mark Sievers and Detective Al Martinez, who were part of the “break and rake” team, had previously ignited fires with flash-bang grenades, so they were aware of the potential fire risk involved in using that device. That the raid posed a potentially fatal fire danger is further demonstrated by the fact that the Greenfield Fire Department had been notified of the planned raid and was on standby.

    The Fire Department responded quickly once fire enveloped Serrato’s home – but the SWAT team held them at bay for nearly a half-hour while the screaming victim was trapped inside. By the time the firefighters could enter the home, Serrato was dead.” …

  28. GW
    August 23, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    I am sure I will get lambasted but I will say it any – ADD FIREMAN to the list of self important gubbermint pricks and thugs – just another type of adrenaline junkey with a “holier than thou” attitude.

    I have seen them go out of their way to bust out car windows in legal parking spots just for fun and because they could get away with it – heard them boast about it afterwards too!

    Maybe not all fireman are pricks but I am still waiting to meet one that isn’t.

    • Ed
      August 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm

      Damn right, GW. Firemen (at least the salaried city gov’t type) are nearly as bad as cops when it comes to attitude.

      • GW
        August 23, 2013 at 9:46 pm

        Thanks ED – I should have clarified that – I generally have a better impression of the ‘Hotshot’ types, but cannot say for sure – at least when they get interviewed on TeeVee they seem more genuine.

        The City / County FD goobers however are another story – at best they are 2nd responders that want to take all the glory and credit and push anyone and anything out of their way when they are in costume and on stage.

        Perhaps in their minds they are well intentioned hero’s but generally they are just ASSHOLES.

        • Ed
          August 23, 2013 at 10:17 pm

          I know it, GW. Really, the jobs like cop, DA, etc. attract assholes who want power over other people. I think that wanting power over others is a sign of an evil personality.

          Nowadays, even EMTs wear SWAT BDUs and have skinhead haircuts. When some asshole cop or other dies, all the skinheads line up and block traffic to show their subservience to their god, the state. It’s kind of pukey, if you ask me.

          Whoever wrote the script for the film “The Departed” really had a handle on it. One character, a crooked cop, said “Fackin’ fiahfightas are a bunch of homos”. This was after the cops lost a rugby game to the firemen.

          Another cop, who was undercover told his shrink, “There is nobody more full of shit than a cop”. He also described the way he could spot an off-duty cop: “Bad haircut, no dress sense and an air of scumbag entitlement”

    • ozymandias
      August 23, 2013 at 10:01 pm

      gangs, gangs, gangs everywhere. some particular ones, in ny

    • Tor Minotaur
      August 23, 2013 at 11:39 pm

      All firemen are part of FEMA, soon one of these heroes will come along to escort you to your new living quarters.

      United States Fire Administration ( says there are 1,082,500 firefighters in the US: 278,300 career and 804,200 volunteer.

      USFA says in 2011, they made 370,000 calls, where there were 2,520 civilian deaths, 13,910 civilian injuries, and $6.9 billion in property damage.

      If you send 3 fire fighters per fire on average, which is plenty, that means the average firefighter needs to work 1 day a year.

      40% of arson is committed by Blacks, 30% by Whites, 20% by Native-Americans, and 10% by Asian-Americans.

      • Ed
        August 23, 2013 at 11:50 pm

        “10% by Asian-Americans”

        What? They’re underachievers in this category.

        • Tor Minotaur
          August 24, 2013 at 12:43 am

          Yeah, but whites are the worse, being only 25% as pyromanical as the asians. asians are second worse being only twice as pyromaniacal as your average american. top dishonors goes to native americans, who are 20 times more likely to start fires.

          Demographics of America
          white 81% (65%white-euro 16%white-hispanic)
          black 13%
          asian 5%
          native-americans 1%

          Whites 1/2 as likely to start fires
          Blacks 2.3X more likely to set fires
          Asians 2X more likely to set fires
          Native-Americans 20X more likely to set fires

          • DownshiftFast5to1
            August 24, 2013 at 12:54 am

            I’ve seen cases where bored firefighters go out and intentionally start fires, just so they can put them out.

            I dislike seeing them when they walk through the grocery store in a pack while in uniform. Same as any other gang.

            I wonder how many business they shut down each year due to code violations, and how much revenue the fines generate.

          • Ed
            August 24, 2013 at 1:02 am

            “Whites 1/2 as likely to start fires”

            oh, shit…. and we’re the largest minoty out there, too. Wonder if that includes SWPs.

      • captcow
        August 24, 2013 at 2:18 am

        “All firemen are part of FEMA”? What makes you think that?

        • Tor Minotaur
          August 24, 2013 at 3:04 am

          It’s a basic eugenics, eutopian, eu-do-as-we-say principle. take law enforcers for example.

          from bottom of power pyramid to the top:

          1)friends of police, local chambers of commerce, neighborhood safety groups, single issue groups and lobbyists
          2)local cops
          3)county sheriff law enforcement
          4)state trooper law enforcement
          5)state bci
          6)federal fbi, dea, atf, etc.
          8)oia(office of international affairs) united nations, think tanks, mutual treaties & agreements
          9)foundations, sovereign wealth funds, UN partners and super-high-net-worth donors and junket funders

        • Tor Minotaur
          August 24, 2013 at 3:25 am

          “Fire and rescue department operations at natural and man-made disasters may require interagency or interjurisdictional coordination.

          Earthquakes, hurricanes, blizzards, civil disturbances, terrorism, hazardous materials releases, tornadoes, and floods are some reasons for federal takeover of local fire prevention services.

          Of highest importance, is the operational component of a fire department’s response to these incidents. Emphasis is placed on command and control decision-making skills and the interrelationship of the operational function to hazard preparedness, mitigation, response, and recovery. Operational applications of the Incident Command System (ICS), command and control, the ICS/EOC interface, the IEMS, evacuation, and sheltering and communications are just a few of the areas of significance.”

          Federal Inciweb coverage of Beaver Creek Idaho fire. Whether on federal or private land, federal executive branch agencies take precedence and have ultimate jurisdiction over all fires and other disasters, even incorporated urban ones, as it is determined to be prudent to take control by federal bureaucrats.

          “FEMA, along with DOI, USDA, Forest Service, and the USFA interact and assist local entities.”(this assistance is not optional).

          “Directed by Congress in 2009, THE local authorities’ role is to advocate a lifestyle that balances the risk of the environment they live in with the risk of them living there. They have the trust of the local community.”

          “Other authorities include the International Code Council and the International Building Code. The International Wildlife-Urban Interface Code is especially instructive and pre-eminent for all local authorities.”

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:00 pm

      Hi GW,

      Purely personal/anecdotal: My experience has been that volunteer firemen are ok. The “professionals” not so much…

      • captcow
        August 26, 2013 at 3:01 pm

        I joined the local volunteer fire department in 1995, back then we held fundraisers to pay for equipment, our (1 and only) chiefs car that we kept for 10+ years, new air packs, radios etc… When we needed more room at the fire station we still did the work ourselves. Since 9/11 we’re all “heroes”, deserving of 3 late model Tahoe chiefs cars, $800,000 ladder trucks that go to 2 real fires a year and absurd fire houses (look up Coram NY FD or Riverhead NY FD to see what I mean). All this extorted from taxpayers, and of course we still hold the fundraisers to cover golf trips and beer. There’s also the incredibly disturbing trend amongst younger members of calling each other “brother” and “Sister”, they see themselves as some special class that deserves all this for their “service”. In all fairness this is New York State, not far from FDNY and may not apply to other VFD’s in other places yet. I really liked being a firefighter before we were all “heroes”.

        • August 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm

          Oy vey….

          Sorry to hear it, Capt.

          It’d make me flee, too.

          I wanted to volunteer for our local all-volunteer FD. I know some of them; they seem like good dudes. But then I heard I’d need to submit to a “drug screening” – and that was it for me.

          To b clear: I last partook of “drugs” (that is, arbitrarily illegal substances) about 12 years ago. But even leaving that aside, I fail to understand why what I do in private on my time – whether it’s hoist a beer or a bong – is any of their damn business. so long as I’m straight and ready to do what’s required when I’m working.

          • Captcow
            August 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm

            Oddly enough that’s one thing we don’t seem to deal with around here. One dept. tests new members when they join but they’re given enough time to deal with that. Much of the drug testing thing is pushed by the insurance companies for the Fire Districts. It’s truly amazing how much insurance influences a districts budget.

            • August 26, 2013 at 4:01 pm

              I’d have no issue with it – drug testing – if done on an individual basis, on the basis of probable cause. For instance, I’d agree as a condition of employment submitting to a drug test if my behavior or actions while at work suggested I might have a problem. Better yet, just fire or let go anyone whose work is sub-par or who has given reason to suspect they’re not to be trusted.

              That’s fair, as I see it.

              But otherwise?

              Nope. Not me.

      • ekrampitzjr
        September 6, 2013 at 9:21 pm

        Out my way in a different part of our fine commonwealth, Eric, the mindset among the volunteer firefighters and rescue squad members is different: worse, more arrogant.

        In the 1990s there was a rash of volunteer members busted in central and southeastern parts of our state for embezzlement of state money paid to their fire departments. One affected department was that for the village near me at the time when I lived in a rural area. The fire chief’s wife was treasurer and she was convicted of taking over $10,000. Turned out she was already a convicted felon (welfare fraud) and should never have been a member under state rules in the first place.

        One town’s volunteer agency bought an ambulance manufactured out-of-state under questionable circumstances, even though right in the same town was an ambulance manufacturer that had underbid the out-of-state company. When town officials raised questions, the volunteer firefighter heroes threatened not to respond to calls at the officials’ houses. This ongoing saga was documented in the big daily paper in Norfolk at the time.

        I got no use for any of them. Given a choice, I’d rather have paid because of the examples cited.

    • Bigglesworth
      August 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm

      There was a fire last week in my neighborhood. The local fire department decided that the rest of us could use a “voluntary safety inspection.” I spotted them doing their thing as I drove into the neighborhood, so I had a plan ready. Before they could get to my door, I went back out, reasoning that they wouldn’t get a chance to reconnoiter the interior of my dwelling if I didn’t open the door for them. They of course accosted me, and pressed me to avail myself of their “free” safety inspection. I politely answered that my stuff was in order and kept that way. The female inspector who was with them then said, condescendingly, that she was sure my stuff was in order, but please to have a free safety handout – a consolation prize, I suppose? I smiled politely and took it, feeling that I had achieved a tactical defensive victory, as they moved along to another dwelling.

  29. Cloverism = Disease
    August 23, 2013 at 7:02 pm

    A cop is essentially that kid in the neighborhood who always wanted to be a bully but couldn’t.

    • August 24, 2013 at 10:09 am

      So, kind of a heart-warming success story, eh?

      The hero of the story finally achieves his dream.

      Triumph of the human spirit.

      • Tor Minotaur
        August 24, 2013 at 11:29 am

        Warms the cockles of your heart, don’t it!

        Trami(Maring) Makes A Splash

        Central Weather Bureau

        • getch36
          August 26, 2013 at 6:39 am

          I deliver pizza as a second job and have to say the cheapest pricks ever is the Fire Department.I have never once got a decent tip,usually a dollar or less.

          • August 26, 2013 at 6:44 am

            Dear getch,

            I guess you didn’t get the memo.

            Ever since 9/11, you’re supposed to tip them. In fact, you’re supposed to say “Thank you for your service.”

            Hope that helps.

  30. August 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Here’s a recent story where local police were able to thwart the horrible crime of someone test driving a car w/o having a license plate.

    I hope that guy sues the fuck out of them and wins.

    • Tor Minotaur
      August 23, 2013 at 11:21 pm

      “Jon-Christopher Sowells said he has never been arrested before and he plans to fight the charge. He also bought the BMW. Snellville police contend he had opportunities to cooperate with their investigation.”

      Newspapers – not just non-stop commercials for goobermint goonery. We also encourage craven prostration before banking temples to enslave yourself to overpriced consumer goods like BMWs using over 9,000 propaganda techniques.

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      Just when you thought you’d heard it all….

      Amen on the lawsuit. This situation could easily happen to me. The cars I get to test drive often have oddball tags (and just one tag – the People’s Republic of Virginia requires two) no state inspection sticker, etc. The cars are not registered to me. They have weird paperwork. Every once in awhile, I get a pre-production unit without a normal VIN. Imagine the pork joy that would would erupt at discovering these irregularities….

  31. Nick S
    August 23, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    It amuses me no end to watch police/detective drama shows where police are portrayed variously as sort of concerned social workers in some respects, and also as carefully weighing evidence in order to eventually bring to justice dangerous offenders. It is such a quaint and sentimental view, which bears little resemblance to the reality of the overwhelming majority of police work. In practice, most police work simply involves meeting targets, raising revenue, trying to pin what you can on who you can, and just maximising their own power and resources.

    The unfortunate thing is that these shows inform the opinion of much of the public.

    • Ed
      August 23, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      “It amuses me no end to watch police/detective drama shows…….”

      Yeah, me too Nick. The murder police in most cities are probably no different from the murder police here. They’ll gather evidence, after a fashion, do their busywork and the fuck off until the prosecutor tells them who to jump out on for the crime. All they have to do then is go to their coaching sessions with the prosecutors in preparation for their testilying in court.

      Those same drama you mentioned often portrays the prosecutor as an overworked, underpaid champion of the victim who has a very hard time getting a conviction against the well paid defense lawyer. That’s nonsensical as well. Prosecutors’ jobs are mostly do-nothing jobs because they have every advantage in court and can suborn perjury, hide evidence and perjure themselves in court without any fear of sanction.

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      I cannot stand to watch these shows. Unfortunately, my wife does watch them. So I hear the soundtrack coming from the other room…

      • Tor Munkov
        August 24, 2013 at 7:20 pm

        I recently spent some time with my elderly parents in Western North Carolina, and endured a lot of law and order police and military authority porn while visiting them.

        I have concluded that all our maxims and customs and common beliefs are all twisted, and must be challenged, regardless of the source. Take the one about respecting your elders. Blind respect is dangerous, elders need to be corrected when they’re wrong.

        Maybe I’m written out of the will, but when my Dad defended Eisenhower as a brilliant man, and quoted his catch phrase about brutalizing peaceful people due to some BS Domino Theory and wouldn’t back down in any way from his statism and support of naked aggression, I asked him to consider he was wrong, and if that is such a deeply held belief, he should consider the possibility he had wasted his life.
        – – – – –

        The President’s News Conference of April 7, 1954

        Q. Robert Richards, Copley Press:

        Mr. President, would you mind commenting on the strategic importance of Indochina to the free world? I think there has been, across the country, some lack of understanding on just what it means to us.

        The President.

        You have, of course, both the specific and the general when you talk about such things.

        First of all, you have the specific value of a locality in its production of materials that the world needs.

        Then you have the possibility that many human beings pass under a dictatorship that is inimical to the free world.

        Finally, you have broader considerations that might follow what you would call the “falling domino” principle. You have a row of dominoes set up, you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly. So you could have a beginning of a disintegration that would have the most profound influences.

        Now, with respect to the first one, two of the items from this particular area that the world uses are tin and tungsten. They are very important. There are others, of course, the rubber plantations and so on.

        Then with respect to more people passing under this domination, Asia, after all, has already lost some 450 million of its peoples to the Communist dictatorship, and we simply can’t afford greater losses.

        But when we come to the possible sequence of events, the loss of Indochina, of Burma, of Thailand, of the Peninsula, and Indonesia following, now you begin to talk about areas that not only multiply the disadvantages that you would suffer through loss of materials, sources of materials, but now you are talking really about millions and millions and millions of people.

        Finally, the geographical position achieved thereby does many things. It turns the so-called island defensive chain of Japan, Formosa, of the Philippines and to the southward; it moves in to threaten Australia and New Zealand.

        It takes away, in its economic aspects, that region that Japan must have as a trading area or Japan, in turn, will have only one place in the world to go — that is, toward the Communist areas in order to live.

        So, the possible consequences of the loss are just incalculable to the free world.

        Q. Robert G. Spivack, New York Post:

        Mr. President, do you agree with Senator Kennedy that independence must be guaranteed the people of Indochina in order to justify an all-out effort there?

        The President.

        Well, I don’t know, of course, exactly in what way a Senator was talking about this thing.

        I will say this: for many years, in talking to different countries, different governments, I have tried to insist on this principle: no outside country can come in and be really helpful unless it is doing something that the local people want.

        Now, let me call your attention to this independence theory. Senator Lodge, on my instructions, stood up in the United Nations and offered one country independence if they would just simply pass a resolution saying they wanted it, or at least said, “I would work for it.” They didn’t accept it. So I can’t say that the associated states want independence in the sense that the United States is independent. I do not know what they want.

        I do say this: the aspirations of those people must be met, otherwise there is in the long run no final answer to the problem.

        Q. Joseph Dear, Capital Times:

        Do you favor bringing this Indochina situation before the United Nations?

        The President.

        I really can’t say. I wouldn’t want to comment at too great a length at this moment, but I do believe this: this is the kind of thing that must not be handled by one nation trying to act alone. We must have a concert of opinion, and a concert of readiness to react in whatever way is necessary.

        Of course, the hope is always that it is peaceful conciliation and accommodation of these problems.

        Q. Sarah McClendon, El Paso Times:

        Sir, I found many Senators and House members this week who said that while you were allaying their fears, that Secretary Dulles was making them fear more, and I wonder if he is going to clear his statements on Indochina with you?

        The President.

        So far as I know, Secretary Dulles has never made an important pronouncement without not only conferring and clearing with me, but sitting down and studying practically word by word what he is to say.

        Now, I am not aware of any antagonism between the statements he has made and I have made.

        I have plead with America to look facts in the face; I have plead with them not to minimize what the possibilities of the situation are, but to realize that we are 160 million of the most productive and the most intelligent people on earth; therefore, why are we going around being too scared?

        Now, on the other hand, we would be completely foolish not to see what these facts are and what their potentialities are. I see those two statements as completely compatible, not as incompatible.

        • Ed
          August 24, 2013 at 11:43 pm

          Now, Tor. You must be careful about correcting Aged Parents. Dad might squash you like a bug for lipping off to him.

          Better to treat Dad as Wemmick treated his Aged Parent in “Great Expectations”

          “Quite right, Aged P. How would you like to raise the colors this evening?”.

          Wemmick was a great character. From him I learned the term “portable property”, which is hard money, or “specie” as gold coin was called then, or precious metal jewelry.

          What a novel that was, written when Englishmen and Americans still considered themselves the sovereigns.

          • Tor Minotaur
            August 25, 2013 at 1:18 am

            This did lack context, I’m a 1967 model, he’s 1939, and by any measure of accomplishment or achievement, I’m a bug, in comparison. 1stly, the words were spoken with the effect of a thin fart lazily wafting towards a multiplanetary system of cross-fire hurricanes.

            2ndly, he has an unblemished 100% NAP compliance record, even when drafted in Vietnam, he ended up being a state-side triage hospital tech.

            3rdly, he has a full-blooded Vulcan Death Grip on ice from an uninterrupted lifetime of hard work, applicable as needed to purge me of any excessive SWP yap-talking, that actually offended him in any way.

            Jet Stream Overground Railways

            Join the growing global force of heavily armed individual air surfers and their invincible fleet of sundry unmanned flying freedom bots.

            We delivering people, goods, and information all over the world, at all hours of the day and night.

            Free tinkerers and travelers of the world take to the skies, abandon your terrestrial chains and subjugations.
            – – – – –

            Abraham was born under the name Abram in the city of Ur in Babylonia in the Hebrew year 1948. The son of Terach, an idol merchant, from his early childhood, he questioned the faith of his father and sought the truth. He came to believe that the entire universe was the work of a single Creator, and he began to teach this belief to others.

            Abram tried to convince his father, Terach, of the folly of idol worship. One day, when Abram was left alone to mind the store, he took a hammer and smashed all of the idols except the largest one. He placed the hammer in the hand of the largest idol.

            When his father returned and asked what happened, Abram said, “The idols got into a fight, and the big one smashed all the other ones.” His father said, “Don’t be ridiculous. These idols have no life or power. They can’t do anything.” Abram replied, “Then why do you worship them?”

            (The evil Zionists have redacted the part where Terach smacks the hallefallujah out of Abram, but we know it happened)

            Eventually, the one true Creator that Abram had worshipped called to him, and made him an offer: if Abram would leave his home and his family, then G-d would make him a great nation and bless him. Abram accepted this offer, and the b’rit (covenant) between G-d and the Jewish people was established.

            #from this one act of property destroying douchery, great nations and civilizations of disrespectful douches have risen to rule this shit-holed hammer-smacked Earth we’ve all come to fear and loathe!

          • Ed
            August 25, 2013 at 2:43 am

            Well, I’m glad your dad is still with you. I can tell you respect him. my father was a 1924 model, I’m a ’52. I would give a lot to be able to say anything to him now, but he died in 1982.

        • August 26, 2013 at 6:07 am

          I am sceptical about that quotation, because at least twice it contains an error that has only become widespread in recent years (and then, only among U.S.A.ians): “plead” for “pled” or “pleaded”. So internal evidence suggests that at best it is not quite original but has been edited.

          • Tor Minotaur
            August 26, 2013 at 8:17 am

            The paragraph with the pleads is verbatim.

            But you may be picking up on the fact my copy and paste as a whole is maybe 50% of the original press conference, it’s much shorter. I deleted all kinds of irrelevant stuff and anything I didn’t understand the context of. I have been known to taken liberties with text to improve pace and make it punchier.

            See for yourself, cut and paste anything you feel skeptical about into the big box in the link below. (Or in UKaisian verne-knack: sceptical)

            Here’s the Ore-ridge-anal Verzz.

            All Prez. News Conf. Since Hoover 1929
            – – – –
            Ogden Nash says:
            “People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven’t what they want that they really don’t want it.”
            “To keep your marriage brimming, with love in the wedding cup, whenever you’re wrong, admit it; whenever you’re right, shut up.”
            “Oh, what a tangled web do parents weave when they think that their children are naive.”
            “A jolly young fellow from Yuma Told an elephant joke to a puma;
            now his skeleton lies beneath hot western skies- the puma had no sense of huma”
            “There is only one way to achieve happiness on this terrestrial ball, and that is to have either a clear conscience or none at all.”
            He drinks because she scolds, he thinks;
            She thinks she scolds because he drinks;
            And nether will admit what’s true,
            That he’s a sot and she’s a shrew.”
            “If called by a panther, do not anther”

          • Ed
            August 26, 2013 at 11:45 am

            Good catch, PM. Another common mistake is the use of “lead” for “led”. One very irritating misuse is “loose” for “lose”. Some misusers carry their crime so far as to use “looser” for “loser”.

          • August 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm

            TM, I didn’t mean to suggest that what you provided was freshly concocted, but rather that the genuine original had been monkeyed with before it reached somewhere you could copy and paste it from (after all, the genuine original couldn’t be copied and pasted, not from that period). I suspect that whoever rendered it into computer form couldn’t resist editing it – and people who do that are prone to cut or rearrange things or add bridging material that they think doesn’t matter, and even worse they don’t indicate it. However, internal evidence like modern phrasing can provide an indication of the degree of risk.

      • Ed
        August 24, 2013 at 7:22 pm

        My wife is addicted to TV, but it has to be network TV with commercials and reality shows. The rest of the satellite lineup is wasted, since I don’t watch it at all. The soundtracks of these shows make me want to go outdoors, at night, with the mosquitos.

        I think the main obstacle to critical thought among our fellow ‘murkins is the damned TV. As long as most people immerse themselves in that medium daily, there’s little hope of getting through to more than one or two in a year’s effort at engaging critical thought in our neighbors.

        • BrentP
          August 24, 2013 at 9:02 pm

          I don’t understand how people can watch TV. I mean actually watch it. Not just have it as background noise or something to listen to while doing other things, but sit down and watch it. Do nothing else but watch it. Don’t know how that’s possible.

  32. MikePizzo
    August 23, 2013 at 4:02 pm

    In response to one of your previous cop columns, I suggested viewing cops as rattlesnakes. Performing a function of helping control the vermin population. But genetically programmed to strike out at anything that gets within their range. Thus best avoided at every opportunity.

    I was refuted intensively. The prevailing opinion was that cops are like devils incarnate. That rattlesnakes are much better than cops.

    Yet here, less than 9 months later, you are actually suggesting that cops should be viewed like sharks. That one should always be on the alert for their presence, and avoid contact at every opportunity.

    Sharks and rattlesnakes seem symbolically similar to me.

    Perhaps I am the only one who detects the irony. 😉

    • BrentP
      August 23, 2013 at 5:15 pm

      I don’t see shark and rattlesnake as being similar. A shark will see a human as meal. A rattle snake will only attack a human if he feels threatened.

      Cops are more like sharks. They strike at whatever they think they can make a meal out of. A meal being a way to make their numbers for over time, promotion, reviews, etc. If they were rattlesnakes then they would only be a problem if we bothered them. Furthermore a rattlesnake warns those who get to close to it. It’s rattle says ‘go away’. That’s not what cops do. Cops swim around looking for prey, us. Like a shark.

      • ozymandias
        August 23, 2013 at 5:36 pm

        shark covers the opportunistic predation part. but the rest of the time they’re parasitic lampreys. chimeras. or, like jeff goldblum & the fly.

      • GW
        August 23, 2013 at 7:13 pm

        Let’s not insult the sharks!

        • ozymandias
          August 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm

          [Scene: Interior. A New York apartment. There is a knock at the door.]
          Woman: [speaking through closed door] Yes?
          Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Arlsburgerhhh?
          Woman: Who?
          Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Johannesburrrr?
          Woman: Who is it?
          Voice: [pause] Flowers.
          Woman: Flowers for whom?
          Voice: [long pause] Plumber, ma’am.
          Woman: I don’t need a plumber. You’re that clever shark, aren’t you?
          Voice: [pause] Candygram.
          Woman: Candygram, my foot! You get out of here before I call the police! You’re the shark, and you know it!
          Voice: Wait. I-I’m only a dolphin, ma’am.
          Woman: A dolphin? Well… Okay. [opens door]

        • BrentP
          August 24, 2013 at 1:09 am


          • DownshiftFast5to1
            August 24, 2013 at 1:17 am


    • Tor Minotaur
      August 23, 2013 at 11:13 pm

      Ironic you think this, seeing as how Pizzo is Sicilian for beak, as in pay your extortion to the Cosa Nostra, ‘Ndrangheta, and Camorra, for the valuable vermin exterminating services they provide.

      Don Fanucci in “The Beakwetter”

      God bless you Don Fanucci, God bless you blue shirt mafia, one and all!


      • MikePizzo
        August 24, 2013 at 9:14 pm

        I’d agree that Mafia may be a better analogy than fish or snakes. A band of brutal thugs extracting funding from ordinary people. In return, those thugs actually do protect people from other bands of thugs. They are still brutal, but slightly less brutal, because they don’t don’t want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

        One could easily argue that Mafiosi were generally more honorable than today’s cops. That doesn’t mean they were good guys. Too many things in common.

        Just for fun, I could get the lunatics here raving by calling you a “RACIST” for referring to my Sicilian ancestry. But “Sicilian” gives NO clue to my racial makeup…..because that little island has been conquered by every civilization that ever invented a boat.

        • ozymandias
          August 24, 2013 at 9:43 pm

          “In return, those thugs actually do protect people from other bands of thugs.”

          more like those barons defend their bovines from other barons & rustlers, isn’t it?

          guido, the killer cowboy

          • MikePizzo
            August 24, 2013 at 9:57 pm

            “more like those barons defend their bovines from other barons & rustlers, isn’t it?”

            Pretty much the same deal.

            Fun video. Although I can take or leave Tom Cruise and most Porsches……..928s Rock!

          • ozymandias
            August 24, 2013 at 10:18 pm

            the plaster is cast & dried, but cruise has some chops, given opportunity. magnolia. born on the fourth of july. maybe others i’m not recalling right now.

            yeah. panamera. i want one.

          • Tor Minotaur
            August 24, 2013 at 11:12 pm

            Guidos, Rooskies, Hoodrats, & SWPs – the lone national defenders of the near-extinct Y chromosone.

            Western Democracies
            Gov is XY and YY. Females are Xxy and males are Xy.

            Christian Nations
            God is XY. Man is XXy. Woman is X0.

            Muslim Nations
            Allah is XY. Man is xxy. Woman is 00.

            Asian Nations
            Nation is XY and XX. Man is X0. Woman is XX0.

          • Jean
            August 25, 2013 at 3:51 am

            Would you please define terms? SWP is new to me, and I don’t follow the details of “0” in the genomes…

          • Ed
            August 25, 2013 at 4:53 pm

            Jean, SWP stands for ‘Serious White People’, a term from Charlestowne/Boston which refers to whites, usually of Irish ancestry, who don’t kowtow to Politically Correct deference towards violent black criminals. An SWP will fight at the drop of a hat; the cops, a gang from another neighborhood, an individual of whatever race who tries to bully or otherwise shows disrespect for the SWP or his neighborhood.

            Tor may mean it differently, but this is what I mean by SWP. SWP’s are usually low income white people who have no regard for cops, snitches, or anyone else who would presume to tell them what to do or how to act. They’re as likely to be jailed as anyone else in their socio-economic class.

        • Ed
          August 24, 2013 at 9:54 pm

          “Just for fun, I could get the lunatics here raving by calling you a “RACIST””

          I know it. You would surely be “refuted intensively” as you said in the 1st post of the thread. That was pretty good, BTW. I liked it.

        • Tor Minotaur
          August 24, 2013 at 10:30 pm

          Sicilians on average score 10 points higher on IQ tests than Americans.

          True Romance- Sicilian Scene – “Eggplant”

          DH: “You see Sicilians, are eggplants. They got black blood pumping in their hearts. Hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the Moors conquered Sicily. The Moors are Niggers. You’re part eggplant . . . . CW: “I haven’t killed anybody since 1984”

          – My race cards are unknown. Would have to get Catholic adoption records unsealed, and pry into the unmentionable history of a Great-Grandpa who “married” a very young cousin.

          • Giuseppe Crowe
            August 27, 2013 at 3:29 am

            Interestingly, with the influx of mostly southern Italian emigrants in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, blacks were referred to as “moolies” or “mulanyans” (sic on spelling). This was a dialectical bastardization of the Italian word, melanzane or eggplant. The scene from True Romance is probably the funniest and best bit of acting that Dennis Hopper ever did. No value judgement on the content, but it’s just too damn funny for political correctness to ruin.

            • August 27, 2013 at 10:10 am

              True Romance is one of those movies that could not be made today because of political correctness. Before we threw our TeeVee in the woods, I never once saw it re-run, either. Ditto Coming to America.

        • Ed
          August 24, 2013 at 11:32 pm

          “SWPs – the lone national defenders of the near-extinct Y chromosone.”

          Ah, yes. I’m part SWP on my father’s side m’self. That old “punch without thinking” tendency emerges from time to time, unbidden and usually in the wrong situation……

          Great clip from “True Romance”. I was thinking of that scene while reading Pizzo’s post. The two Sicilians accompanying the CW character and their little exchange after the shooting were great:

          Sicilian #1: What happened?

          Sicilian #2: He said that Sicilians are spawned by niggers so the Don shot him.

          • Tor Minotaur
            August 24, 2013 at 11:54 pm

            IMHO it’s hard to argue Americans aren’t all ni**ers based on what the LWRs did to us. (Lincolnians, Wilsonians, & Roosevelters.)

            Words are an important tool, but in and of themselves, are not reality. They’re auditory or visual waves of energy, and nothing more.

            nigger (n.)
            1786, earlier neger (1568, Scottish and northern England dialect), from French nègre, from Spanish negro (see Negro).

            From the earliest usage it was “the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks” [cited in Gowers, 1965, probably Harold R. Isaacs]. But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in English-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without deliberate insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person.

            “You’re a fool nigger, and the worst day’s work Pa ever did was to buy you,” said Scarlett slowly. … There, she thought, I’ve said “nigger” and Mother wouldn’t like that at all. [Margaret Mitchell, “Gone With the Wind,” 1936]

            Also applied by English settlers to dark-skinned native peoples in India, Australia, Polynesia. The reclamation of the word as a neutral or positive term in black culture (not universally regarded as a worthwhile enterprise), often with a suggestion of “soul” or “style,” is attested first in the U.S. South, later (1968) in the Northern, urban-based Black Power movement.

            Used in combinations (e.g. nigger-brown) since 1840s for various dark brown or black hues or objects; euphemistic substitutions (e.g. Zulu) began to appear in these senses c.1917.

            Brazil nuts were called nigger toes by 1896. Variant niggah, attested from 1925 (without the -h, from 1969), is found usually in situations where blacks use the word. Nigra (1944), on the other hand, in certain uses reflects a pronunciation of negro meant to suggest nigger, and is thus deemed (according to a 1960 slang dictionary) “even more derogatory than ‘nigger.’

            Slang phrase nigger in the woodpile attested by 1800; “A mode of accounting for the disappearance of fuel; an unsolved mystery” [R.H. Thornton, “American Glossary,” 1912]. Nigger heaven “the top gallery in a (segregated) theater” first attested 1878 in reference to Troy, N.Y.

            niggerhead (n.)
            from nigger + head. A term used formerly in U.S. of various things, e.g. “cheap tobacco” (1843), “protruding root mass in a swamp” (1859), a type of cactus (1877), and the black-eyed susan (1893). Variant negro-head attested from 1781.

            see nigger.
            nigga (n.)
            1925, also niggah, representing southern U.S. pronunciation of nigger (q.v.).
            nig (n.)
            c.1300, “niggardly person” (see niggard). As an abbreviated form of nigger, attested by c.1832, American English.
            nig-nog (n.)
            “foolish person,” 1953, OED suggests from earlier cant slang nigmenog “a very silly fellow” (1700). As a term of abuse for a black person, a shortened and reduplicated form of nigger.

            Shiiiiiit Negro, that’s all ya had to say

            Black people, we have so many of them, and I can’t stand them

          • August 26, 2013 at 5:56 am

            Around here, the S.W.P. is the Socialist Workers’ Party.

            For Sicilian and other Italian miscegenation in recent generations, google the reputation of the colonial troops called “Gooms” (or “Goums”), that the Allies used there.

        • August 26, 2013 at 5:49 am

          You’re exaggerating. The Vandals never conquered Sicily, even though they got the other islands of the western Mediterranean. Likewise, the Carthaginians only conquered part of Sicily, and arguably the Arabs only managed part too (it depends on whether you count the Byzantines as having made a final withdrawal before or after the Normans got going there). And I really don’t think the Chinese, Japanese, Malagasy or other Austronesians ever did it, let alone anyone from the New World.

          Oh, according to the wikipedia article covering the locative case in Latin, the Romans didn’t count Sicily as a small island.

          • Tor Minotaur
            August 27, 2013 at 11:19 pm

            What a great name, for a people, the Vandals. I love those guys.

            These were the saviors of humanity, the one credited by many as ridding the Earth of the curse of Roman collectivism.

            It is accepted that Genseric – King of the Vandals – looted great amounts of treasure from the city, damaging objects of cultural significance such as the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus by stripping away the roof shingles made of gold and bronze. This event is the origin of the modern term – vandalism.

            He also took Licinia Eudoxia and her daughters hostage. Eudocia later married Huneric, Genseric’s oldest son. There is some debate over the severity of the Vandal sack. The sack of 455 is generally seen as being more thorough than the Visigothic sack of 410. The Vandals plundered Rome for two full weeks days whereas the Visigoths spent only three days in the city.

            The cause of most controversy is the claim that the Vandal sack was relatively “clean”, in that there was little murder and violence, and the Vandals did not burn the buildings of the city.

            This interpretation seems to stem from Prosper’s claim that Leo managed to persuade Genseric to refrain from violence.

            However, Victor of Vita records the number of shiploads of captives arriving in Africa from Rome, with the purpose of being sold into slavery. The Byzantine historian Procopius reports that at least one church was burnt down.

            This Sack of Rome is held by some historians to mark the “end of the Roman Empire”, if a single event can legitimately be held to mark the end of long, complex entity such as an empire or a culture.

          • August 27, 2013 at 11:43 pm

            Dear Tor,

            Rome on the Potomac is afraid of just that, and is gearing up to deal with the Barbarians at the Gates/Zombie Apocalypse.

            Only we’re the Barbarians/Zombies.


            I left a comment:

            Bevin Chu 14 hours ago

            This is not “dumb shit.”

            This is DANGEROUS SHIT.

            This is how “our government” sees us. It does not see “us” as “us,” but as “THEM.”

            Got it? You are “THEM.” You are the zombies when the SHTF, to be shot down just like this.

            Wake up people!

          • goldhoarder
            August 28, 2013 at 4:34 am

            Not really Bevin. Those would be Syrians today. Maybe us tomorrow.

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:48 am

      Comparisons of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) to rattlesnakes and sharks really make me uncomfortable.

      They’re so unfair to the rattlesnakes and sharks. Rattlesnakes and sharks may be dangerous. They may harm us. But they do so reflexively, on instinct. They bear us no malice.

      Not so with LEOs. LEOs are socially sanctioned sociopaths. Like socially unsanctioned sociopaths such as serial killers, they act sadistically, with malice aforethought.

      No. LEOs are nothing like rattlesnakes and sharks. Please don’t insult rattlesnakes and sharks with such invidious comparisons.

      • August 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm

        I stand quite corrected, Bevin. You are absolutely right. Case in point:

        About a week ago, I was out riding my motorcycle on the Parkway (Blue Ridge Parkway). I came upon a large (appx. 5 ft.) timber rattlesnake crossing the road. I stopped to watch him. He made no aggressive move toward me and I likewise left him in peace. I can’t say the same about most of the interactions I’ve had with law enforcers.

        • dom
          August 25, 2013 at 1:57 am

          I took the hog out twice today. Got tailgated three times by jerk-offs in police cars.

          • Ed
            August 25, 2013 at 2:35 am

            You think they were jerkin’ off while they were tailgating you? ahaha. I bet that at least one of them was.

            Cops think nothing of endangering the lives of the rest of us, but “officer safety” is the pretext for all kinds of violence done to people who aren’t even in their way.

            • August 25, 2013 at 6:21 pm

              Hi Ed,

              Just last night, I went for a walk with my mom (I’m visiting my folks in AZ). Cop rolls up behind us, past us, to the stop sign ahead at a “T” intersection. And – wait for it – does not stop. Rolls right through after a purfunctory slow-down. SOB. Probably gave 30 people $200 tickets for the same damn thing last month.

          • Jean
            August 25, 2013 at 3:08 am

            Actually sounds like how I got my last speeding ticket.

            Late night, I left the gym exhausted, came down a road I knew like the back of my hand (drove it daily for 10 years). All I see in my rearview is headlights – barely. I speed up to make a safe distance, the car behind speeds up. Repeat three times until we were going at an unsafe speed for the road, due to a turn just ahead, so I slowed down.
            Get to the traffic light just after that turn – it’s now well-lit, and I see it’s a cop. I’m cursing him out under my breath.. Still didn’t expect that he’d turn on his lights as soon as the car turned, though.
            But try to prove entrapment…

            Also, I’m going to try and lay low, lurk a bit… SNAFU, if you will, system’s normal, All Fouled Up – but things are happening. Time to go native, but it’s by my choice.

            I’ll poke my nose in from time to time.

        • August 25, 2013 at 4:26 pm

          Dear Eric,

          I think it’s interesting how we can never go back.

          We all know how the sociopathology operates now. We can’t unlearn it.

          Once you’ve taken the red pill, I don’t think it’s possible to go back by taking the blue pill.

          It still amazes me how I could ever have believed that the various alphabet soup government agents, including LEOs of course, were ever the “good guys.”

          • ozymandias
            August 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm


            joey changes into his blue pants…..

            conversions, capitulations, divorces & remarriages, & vicious vichy ‘volutions….not rare. tribes do trade personnel/places, revolve. might even say tribalism is the spinning wheel’s axle. wheel…of…”fortune”…game based on another game, called “hangman”…hail, hail, the gang’s the thing, & if we don’t all hang together we will most assuredly be hanged separately – by some other gang……

      • ozymandias
        August 24, 2013 at 4:58 pm

        malice…remember arendt’s “banality of evil”? and that milgram reproduced arendt’s observations over & over with his zzzzzt-zzzzzzt!-ZZZZZZZT!! obedience experiments? not as much malice in wonderland as is often assumed…..

        motivations, like “malice”, or “hate”, are more of an imposed narrative, anthropomorphizing institutions/collectives/gangs/mobs/cliques/claques. (hmmm…clique-claque-quo ☻). sadists are part of the animal – but they don’t wag the dog.

        but, whether malice is in a particular human interaction or not, the point is that the one violating another’s natrights forfeits his own, & that forfeiture converts him into a thing – like a snake or a shark or a leech…or a banal eichmann.

        can’t find it, but sam elliott, portraying bill tilghman in “you know my name” has a line, as he’s about to die (he’d been shot), “don’t watch me turn into a thing…”.

        that’s it. the living-dead are run-on’s & the appropriate natgrammar sentence is de-hyphenation…but if/once you wield that red pencil, your own red ink will also be drained in short order. if at all possible, i’d rather skip the grammar, move along to some less hyperhyphenated place……

      • Tor Minotaur
        August 28, 2013 at 12:41 am

        Fellow Soviet Comrade Bevin,

        Again who hit the nail on the head. The rattlesnake reptiles mean to rule, and will do so as brutally as they need to. We are nothing but mammal meals-on-wheels to them. We are things they eat. Sometimes they play with their food.

        Thinking that playfulness is two-way communication is a mistake. The good thing about being mammals, is we can move to climes unreachable by them, because we are warm-blooded.

        I think we should discard all their reptilian nonsense. Including the artificial boxes of races and countries for purposes of rational discussion.

        The Chinese did not invent gun powder. An individual man who happened to be in the artificial zoo cage called China at the time invented gun powder.

        Using A. Galambos/A. Rand/L. Smith property theory, the individual actors of history where known would be remembered and credited. Where individuals are unknown, and a new mythologized prime mover persona would be created.

        Collectivised history of the type you and P.M. Lawrence are masters of, is useful as a starting point, but IMHO should be completely re-written and re-framed.

        Only individual people can receive credit. If that person had a voluntary family or tribe that assisted him, that can be mentioned as a secondary credit.

        Rome never did anything. Ditto for China. There were individuals that did amazing things. It’s time to reclaim Telos. It’s time to write with purpose and goals. It’s time to think and write using liberty-english.

        You and P.M. Lawrence have a gift for accuracy and thought out arguments.

        Yet I think we often labor in vain. Let’s start assembling the big picture, and not worry about pixels.

        Lets not work towards merely erecting a new formidable edifice to be labeled Eastern Market Anarchy, Frontier Libertarianism, or Australian SocioEconoPhilosophy.

        Before well-known goods and services, such as gunpowder become established, they first have to be conceived, discovered, and recognized by their primary owners.

        These individual acts of conception, discovery, or recognition Galambos denotes as the “primary property” of the individual, original owners.

        Galambos laid out his two postulates of volitional science:

        Postulate Number One: All volitional beings live to pursue happiness
        Postulate Number Two: All concepts of happiness pursued through moral action are equally valid.

        Galambos equates immoral action with coercion and defines freedom as “the societal condition wherein every individual has one hundred percent control over his own property”

        From Galambos starting point, all – Market Anarchy/Libertarian/UK SocioRationating – theories are derivable from these postulates. All that remains is elaboration of other more mainstream theories in a new light as well as application of this science to begin to solve the problems of modern society.

        The Decline of Western Civilization IMHO can be traced to what is incorrectly called the conquest of Greece by Rome. The military details and specific actions are not the ones rational people should concern themselves with.

        The ongoing concern is to get back on solid ground philosophically. That is what is important about Atlas Shrugged, not how good of a prognosticator Ayn Rand was.

        Ayn Rand, though taking all kinds of incorrect actions, more importantly had the right philosophy. We must live, act, write, and speak with purpose as did Aristotle and the other ancient dwellers of the region today known to us as Ancient Greece.

        We need to throw our mindsets in the woods. We need telovisions, telocommunications, and telophones.

        A teleology is any philosophical account that holds that final causes exist in nature, meaning that, analogous to purposes found in human actions, nature inherently tends toward definite ends.

        Teleology was explored by Plato, Aristotle, Saint Anselm, Carl Jung, and Georg W. F. Hegel.

        A thing, process, or action is teleological when it is for the sake of an end – when it is for a telos – when it is for a final cause.

        In general, it may be said that there are two types of final causes, which may be called intrinsic finality and extrinsic finality.

        A thing or action has an extrinsic finality when it is for the sake of something external to itself. People exhibit extrinsic finality when they seek the happiness of a child for example. If the external thing had not existed that action would not display finality.

        A thing or action has an intrinsic finality when it is for none other than its own sake. For example, when one is trying to be happy simply for the sake of being happy, and not for the sake of anything outside of that, one is in harmony with the principle of Telos.

        Telos means working not only as a drone earning fiat currency but also as a man trying to experience the pleasures of life.

        Toby Keith – Drinks After Work – A Song With Maximum Telos

    • August 24, 2013 at 2:09 pm

      I stand convicted, Mike!

    • Lucky
      August 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm

      Re: Rattlesnakes

      I think perhaps they are more like Eagles. Here is one view from Neil McIver that suggests we should be the rattlesnake:

      The Gadsden Flag:
      Don’t Tread on Me

      Until recently, I never appreciated the real meaning behind the Gadsden Flag: A rattlesnake with the motto “Don’t tread on me”. My high school education left me thinking it was just some goofy symbol the early patriots started with before they realized how much better the eagle was. Who wants a stupid rattelesnake for a symbol, anyway? Not only can’t it fly, but it can’t even walk, and is a general nuisance and danger if you’re not careful.
      Then I picked up the book entitled “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin (an excellent, well researched book about the Federal Reserve Bank), which has a note inside regarding the decision to put the seal of the United States on the cover. That seal consists of an eagle holding arrows and an olive branch. (It’s the same one on the back of the one dollar bill).

      On his book, G. Edward Griffin has this to say:

      About the Cover
      “The use of the Great Seal of the United States is not without significance. At first we contemplated having an artist change the eagle into a vulture. That, we thought, would attract attention and also make a satement. Upon further reflection, however, we realized that the vulture is really quite harmless. It may be an ugly bird, but it is a scavenger, not a killer. The eagle on the other hand, is a predator. It is a regal creature to behold, but it is deadly to its prey. Furthermore, as protrayed on the dollar, it is protected by the shield of the United States government, even though it is quite independent. Finally, it holds within its grasp the choice between peace and war. The parallels were too great to ignore. We decided to keep the eagle.”
      Then I encountered a contemporary, high powered publication called “The Resister” which uses the rattlesnake as its cover mascot. The Resister is a throwback to the original ideals upon which the country was founded. While I did not renew my subscription to that magazine, it did give me an appreciation of the significance of the rattlesnake: It’s a creature that minds it own business, gives fair warning to any that might come too close, and will deliver a deadly, poisonous bite if provoked.

      Compared to the eagle, the rattlesnake is a far better symbol of what this country is about. The eagle constantly circles overhead watching & waiting for something to make the mistake of coming out into the open. The eagle knows everything, watches all, and places itself far above and out of reach of all others.

      The rattlesnake, on the other hand, doesn’t care what other animals do as long as they stay away. It minds its own business, and expects others just to mind their own too.

      “Don’t tread on me”. Rattlesnakes are cool.

      Neil McIver

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